Hallo Miguel!

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# uname -a
Linux armando.smrfish.net 4.19.0-v8-arm64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Nov 1 18:43:54 UTC
2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux
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Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

01 Nov 2018 21:07, Maurice Kinal wrote to Miguel de Cervantes:

# uname -a
Linux armando.smrfish.net 4.19.0-v8-arm64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Nov 1 18:43:54 UTC 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux

seen more and more arm32 ebuilds that is depricated now on gentoo, so only arm64 left for raspberry pi's

same on other distros then gentoo ?


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Hallo Benny!

same on other distros then gentoo ?

As far as I am aware there are a few that claim a working (flakey) arm64 based distributions. I tried the latest gentoo one but it froze up on the raspberry pi which is why I am sticking with the slackwarearm with the customized arm64 kernel. The rootfs is still 32 bit though. I used a crosscompiler to build the 64 bit kernel.

I am still working on getting a pure 64 bit enviroment working on the raspi3. How about you?

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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I am still working on getting a pure 64 bit enviroment working on the raspi3. How about you?

Is there not a "pure 64 bit" raspbian distribution specifically for the
RPi3?

Mike

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Hallo Mike!

Is there not a "pure 64 bit" raspbian distribution specifically
for the RPi3?

Not that I am aware of. As far as I know about it raspbian is resisting 64 bit
development in order to keep the distribution compatible with all the raspberry
pi's up to and including the 3b+ which is the latest and greatest.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Not that I am aware of. As far as I know about it raspbian is resisting 64 bit
development in order to keep the distribution compatible with all the raspberry
pi's up to and including the 3b+ which is the latest and greatest.

Interesting. I guess it sort of makes sense, although most distros
(including debian, which they source from) keep both a 32-bit and 64-bit version going.

Mike

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Hallo Mike!

I guess it sort of makes sense, although most distros (including
debian, which they source from) keep both a 32-bit and 64-bit
version going.

Yes but both x86 and x86_64 are vastly more mature than any arm based linux distribution is concerned. Originally linux was a PC based and back then that meant i386 and i486. My first linux (slackware 3.something) was on a 486. Next came a bootable CD install to a pentium1 laptop that had a bootable CD-ROM
that I managed to hack as a marine GPS using the serial port which they were still supplying back then in laptops. No usb.

Speaking of raspberrypi-3+, I am currently having issues compiling glibc-2.28.
I've managed to pull it off in a crosscompiling enviroment but not on an actual
native raspberrypi. In this build I am using armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabihf (32 bit). I'll worry about 64 bit once I figure out what I am doing wrong.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Re: El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don
By: Mike Powell to MAURICE KINAL on Mon Nov 05 2018 04:38 pm

Interesting. I guess it sort of makes sense, although most distros (including debian, which they source from) keep both a 32-bit and 64-bit version going.

I don't know if it's a trend but Arch linux has dropped support for the 32bit architecture. They still support 32bit apps in a 64bit environment from what I understood.

I'm not sure of the reason, I don't have a 32bit box or an Arch install.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Mike!

04 Nov 2018 09:53, Mike Powell wrote to MAURICE KINAL:

I am still working on getting a pure 64 bit enviroment working on the
raspi3. How about you?

Is there not a "pure 64 bit" raspbian distribution specifically for
the RPi3?

gentoo have disabled multilib on 64bit, so now end users need to recompile with
multilib on crosscompilers, if its first disabled, it need bootstrapping in 32bit again

its more complicated then disable it :)


Regards Benny

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Hallo Benny!

gentoo have disabled multilib on 64bit

What took them so long? I briefly had a multilib going when I first got my hands on a amd64 and went pure 64 bit after that on a quad core xeon. That was
around 15 years ago and the only distribution talking about pure 64 back then was fedora. The "Cross Linux From Scratch" people were the only ones I was aware of that did more than just talk about it.

As far as raspbian is concerned, there is a port called pi64 which is as close as it gets to an official raspbian. I haven't tried it myself as I have issues
with people who purposely degrade hardware all in the name of so-called compatibilty. The raspbian people are no better than what Bill Gates did way back in the early 1990's with 16-bit dos on 32 bit cpu's. It took MS a decade before finally getting rid of that lame idea and by that time the x86_64's were
rearing their ugly heads and ot took them another five-ish years to finally catch up.

Putting a 32 bit operating system on a 64 bit cpu is shameful and disgraceful methinks.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

07 Nov 2018 17:04, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

gentoo have disabled multilib on 64bit

What took them so long?

funtoo develoopers was still using gentoo :)

I briefly had a multilib going when I first
got my hands on a amd64 and went pure 64 bit after that on a quad core xeon.

i waited to see it disabled, at that time it took long to compile glibc when it
was updated :)

That was around 15 years ago and the only distribution talking
about pure 64 back then was fedora.

time fly, redhat 9 did something bad aswell, i lost intrest in redhat when it killed redhat free update support, asking users to just change to some other precompiled things would be like ask me to install cpm on x86 :)

The "Cross Linux From Scratch"
people were the only ones I was aware of that did more than just talk about it.

yes i remember some fun from that talks

As far as raspbian is concerned, there is a port called pi64 which is
as close as it gets to an official raspbian.

in gentoo i see

----- rpi begins -----
[N] media-libs/raspberrypi-userland (--): Raspberry Pi userspace tools and libraries
[N] media-libs/raspberrypi-userland-bin (--): Raspberry Pi userspace tools and libraries
[N] media-video/raspberrypi-omxplayer (--): Command line media player for the Raspberry Pi
[N] sys-boot/raspberrypi-firmware (--): Raspberry PI boot loader and firmware [N] sys-boot/raspberrypi-mkimage (~0_p20120201): Raspberry Pi kernel mangling tool mkimage/imagetool-uncompressed.py
[N] sys-kernel/raspberrypi-image (--): Raspberry PI boot loader and firmware [N] sys-kernel/raspberrypi-sources (--): Raspberry PI kernel sources
Found 7 matches
----- rpi ends -----

no stable ebuilds yet :/

note it miight be on rpi installs :)

I haven't tried it
myself as I have issues with people who purposely degrade hardware all
in the name of so-called compatibilty.

you can say it more polite precompiled problems :)

The raspbian people are no
better than what Bill Gates did way back in the early 1990's with
16-bit dos on 32 bit cpu's.

agree

It took MS a decade before finally
getting rid of that lame idea and by that time the x86_64's were
rearing their ugly heads and ot took them another five-ish years to finally catch up.

this is still what happens on all what is done in all the precompiled distros, i only know gentoo and freebsd not have this problems

Putting a 32 bit operating system on a 64 bit cpu is shameful and disgraceful methinks.

is runCPM x86 an exempt to that ?


Regards Benny

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Hallo Benny!

funtoo develoopers was still using gentoo :)

Ah! That explains it nicely. :-)

at that time it took long to compile glibc when it was updated

It still does. Speaking of which I *finally* figured out what I was doing wrong and it wasn't glibc but the first stage gcc instead. It turns out I missed one header file's reconfiguration of ld to point to /tools/lib/ instead of /usr/lib/. I knew it would turn out to be something very simple. :::shaking my head:::

i lost intrest in redhat when it killed redhat free update
support

Myself I lost interest way back in 4.something-or-other when they were bragging
that they had no y2k issues. Turned out they were wrong as I found at least one app (gui scheduling thingy) that was obviously plagued. That was in 1996-ish if I remember correctly.

asking users to just change to some other precompiled things
would be like ask me to install cpm on x86 :)

Heh, heh.

you can say it more polite precompiled problems :)

I could but I didn't.

Now that the glibc issue has been dealt with I find myself waiting for the raspberry pi to finish the stage 2 compiler (gcc and g++) so I can use it to crosscompile a 64 bit kernel (v4.19.1) and see if that can properly get in sync
before taking on the stage 3 compile and call it native. If it works out then it will be the latest pure 64 bit build in the mix -> aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Re: El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don
By: Maurice Kinal to Benny Pedersen on Wed Nov 07 2018 05:04 pm

Putting a 32 bit operating system on a 64 bit cpu is shameful and disgraceful methinks.

I'm running a 32-bit Raspian on my rPi3. No big deal to me that it's 32-bit.

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Hallo Rob!

I'm running a 32-bit Raspian on my rPi3.

Blasphemy!

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Rob!

07 Nov 2018 14:42, Rob Swindell wrote to Maurice Kinal:

I'm running a 32-bit Raspian on my rPi3. No big deal to me that it's 32-bit.

linux runs aswell on commodore 64, no big deal :)


Regards Benny

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Hello Maurice!

07 Nov 2018 22:54, Maurice Kinal wrote to Rob Swindell:

I'm running a 32-bit Raspian on my rPi3.

Blasphemy!

jehova, hehe


Regards Benny

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11-08-18 06:08 Benny Pedersen wrote to Rob Swindell about El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don
Howdy! Benny,

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Hello Rob!

07 Nov 2018 14:42, Rob Swindell wrote to Maurice Kinal:

I'm running a 32-bit Raspian on my rPi3. No big deal to me that it's 32-bit.

linux runs aswell on commodore 64, no big deal :)

I'm curious.
What Program is used to Run Linux on a Commodore 64 PC?
This is the first time I've seen that mentioned.

Long ago I've used a Program that let me Enter a Apple ][ BASIC Program Listing(s), and then I could Run it(them) on my C=64 using a Apple Emulator
PRG file.

Maybe I could find that Linux Program on ZIMMERS website.

I'll have a look-see there but please let me know what You use, Benny.
Thanks.

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Hello Ed!

08 Nov 2018 11:40, Ed Vance wrote to Benny Pedersen:

I'm running a 32-bit Raspian on my rPi3. No big deal to me that it's
32-bit.

linux runs aswell on commodore 64, no big deal :)

I'm curious.

sorry

What Program is used to Run Linux on a Commodore 64 PC?

will have to recover my memoroy more here, its indeed possible to make linux on
c64, but i lost now what is needed, or if it require the supercpu to make it work or not, it have 16MB of mem imho on the super cpu, but the arch is same as
a c64

This is the first time I've seen that mentioned.

google linux on 8bit could help find things on that

Long ago I've used a Program that let me Enter a Apple ][ BASIC
Program Listing(s), and then I could Run it(them) on my C=64 using a Apple

Emulator PRG file.

basic is a intrepreter to make basic common on any computer, sadly bill gates stopped using it

Maybe I could find that Linux Program on ZIMMERS website.

+1

I'll have a look-see there but please let me know what You use, Benny. Thanks.

it was basicly a joke from me, but 8bit and linux is not a joke, same as digital camareras that have 8MPixel linces, and could still make VGA resolution
pictures for commodore 64 strip poker :)

hope it wakes some intrests


Regards Benny

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Hello Ed!

08 Nov 2018 11:40, Ed Vance wrote to Benny Pedersen:

linux runs aswell on commodore 64, no big deal :)

I'm curious.

on ide64.org you find nice hardware to have ethernet on a c64, so there is a limited tcp stack done there

will order one to me, since i like to do floppy to d64 converting here

i rember its possible to do irc from c64 aswell


Regards Benny

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