• Raspbian 64

    From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to All on Thu May 28 22:35:28 2020
    Hello All!

    Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
    Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    Kees

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Kees van Eeten on Fri May 29 08:17:00 2020
    Hi Kees!

    28 May 2020 22:35, from Kees van Eeten -> All:

    Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
    Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    Cool!
    Did everything work for you in the beta?

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Richard Menedetter on Fri May 29 12:25:12 2020
    Hello Richard!

    29 May 20 08:17, you wrote to me:

    Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
    Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    Cool!
    Did everything work for you in the beta?

    Everything is a lot. I tried Firefox with a fullscreen Youtube
    on one monitor.

    I also tried Foxtrotgps, there it seemd like
    it would not connect to a remote gpsd.

    But I think, that is not something everybody would use.

    It is said, that is still Beta, and some of the hardware
    graphics accelerators can not yet be used. The USB and
    Netboot are interesting.

    Kees

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Kees van Eeten on Fri May 29 14:00:00 2020
    Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!

    28 May 2020 22:35:28, you wrote to All:

    Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
    Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    Duh...

    gremlin@pi4:~ > uname -a
    Linux pi4.lan 5.6.14rpi4 #2 SMP Tue May 26 16:57:50 UTC 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4 kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
    kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
    kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch


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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Kees van Eeten on Fri May 29 13:04:52 2020
    Hi Kees!

    29 May 2020 12:25, from Kees van Eeten -> Richard Menedetter:

    Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
    Did everything work for you in the beta?
    Everything is a lot. I tried Firefox with a fullscreen Youtube
    on one monitor.

    Thanx for the feedback!

    It is said, that is still Beta, and some of the hardware
    graphics accelerators can not yet be used. The USB and
    Netboot are interesting.

    Indeed ... USB boot is much appreciated.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Kees van Eeten on Fri May 29 20:21:48 2020
    Hello Kees!

    28 May 2020 22:35, Kees van Eeten wrote to All:

    Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
    Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    welcome on board, i think about rpi 4 8G now :)


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Alexey Vissarionov on Fri May 29 20:24:02 2020
    Hello Alexey!

    29 May 2020 14:00, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Kees van Eeten:

    Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
    Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    Duh...

    +1

    gremlin@pi4:~ > uname -a
    Linux pi4.lan 5.6.14rpi4 #2 SMP Tue May 26 16:57:50 UTC 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    like my gentoo host

    gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4 kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64 kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
    kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch

    precompiled problems


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Benny Pedersen on Sat May 30 08:35:04 2020
    Hi Benny!

    29 May 2020 20:21, from Benny Pedersen -> Kees van Eeten:

    welcome on board, i think about rpi 4 8G now :)

    Do you need that amount of memory?
    I actually never use more than 2 GB.
    I go for 4 GB to be on the safe side, but 8 GB is overkill _for my usecases_ :)

    Anyhow it is great that it is available and maybe other people do more memory intensive stuff on their Pis :)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Richard Menedetter on Sat May 30 09:42:52 2020
    Hello Richard!

    30 May 2020 08:35, Richard Menedetter wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    29 May 2020 20:21, from Benny Pedersen -> Kees van Eeten:
    welcome on board, i think about rpi 4 8G now :)

    Do you need that amount of memory?

    for something yes, ram is always an issue :)

    I actually never use more than 2 GB.

    postgresql is not memory hungry as mariadb or mysql oracle crap

    I go for 4 GB to be on the safe side, but 8 GB is overkill _for my usecases_ :)

    what is it used for ?, i know many friends have pi's, just not what its used for yet, if it was comal programming it would be overkill :)

    Anyhow it is great that it is available and maybe other people do more memory intensive stuff on their Pis :)

    yes its good that good computers begin to be less power hungry in a world of climachanges problems, i have a old quad pentium 2 that have less bogomips then a rpi 2, and used servial 100 % more energi then the rpi 2

    on top of that it have power pc cpu to the raid card, yark, more miss usage of resources

    it just looked nice on specs, 45 scsi 2 wide disk on a single pci port :)

    bah


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sat May 30 12:02:00 2020
    Hello Alexey!

    29 May 20 14:00, you wrote to me:

    28 May 2020 22:35:28, you wrote to All:

    Linux raspberrypi 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT
    Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    Duh...

    gremlin@pi4:~ > uname -a
    Linux pi4.lan 5.6.14rpi4 #2 SMP Tue May 26 16:57:50 UTC 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

    gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4 kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64 kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
    kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch

    I know there are 64bit implementations by other distributions. But the Raspberry people held on to 32bit, to enable uniform software on all there models. Now they have given in to the pressure for a 64bit Raspbian, that is what I wanted to transmit.

    Kees

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Benny Pedersen on Sat May 30 13:13:16 2020
    Hi Benny!

    30 May 2020 09:42, from Benny Pedersen -> Richard Menedetter:

    I go for 4 GB to be on the safe side, but 8 GB is overkill _for
    my usecases_ :)
    what is it used for ?, i know many friends have pi's, just not what
    its used for yet, if it was comal programming it would be overkill :)

    Nothing exciting.
    One used for pi-star that is an amateur radio repeater. (you need a Pi hat with 2 antennas on it).
    Another one is useed for Retroarch emulation (I never actually use it ...) Another one is ib a Gameboy case "retroflag gpi".
    And I use(ed) an odroid as a webserver and for Kodi media.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Richard Menedetter on Sat May 30 09:40:50 2020
    Re: Raspbian 64
    By: Richard Menedetter to Benny Pedersen on Sat May 30 2020 08:35:04


    Anyhow it is great that it is available and maybe other people do
    more memory intensive stuff on their Pis :)

    try using an rPi as a SQL server and you could easily find yourself wanting/needing more than 8Gig of RAM...


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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Benny Pedersen on Sun May 31 20:04:00 2020
    Good ${greeting_time}, Benny!

    29 May 2020 20:24:02, you wrote to me:

    gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4
    kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
    kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
    kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch
    precompiled problems

    I really like homebrewed experts... try to guess who compiled this:

    gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -qi kernel-image-rpi4
    Name : kernel-image-rpi4
    Version : 5.6.14
    Release : alt1
    Architecture: aarch64
    Group : System/Kernel and hardware
    Size : 47032832
    License : GPLv2
    Source RPM : kernel-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.src.rpm
    Build Date : Tue 26 May 2020 19:04:00
    Build Host : gremlin.hasher.altlinux.org
    Packager : Gremlin from Kremlin <gremlin _@_ altlinux.org>
    Vendor : ALT Linux Team
    URL : https://www.kernel.org/
    Summary : The kernel image itself


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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun May 31 17:28:51 2020
    Hallo Alexey!

    I really like homebrewed experts

    Me too. Perhaps you might know if the rpi4 can handle the higher speed SSDs on the usb3 interface? They don't need to be bootable but if so that might be a bonus to some.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Kees van Eeten on Sun May 31 20:11:02 2020
    Good ${greeting_time}, Kees!

    30 May 2020 12:02:00, you wrote to me:

    gremlin@pi4:~ > rpm -q kernel-{image,modules,dts}-rpi4
    kernel-image-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
    kernel-modules-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.aarch64
    kernel-dts-rpi4-5.6.14-alt1.noarch
    I know there are 64bit implementations by other distributions.

    I don't give a fuck for those distributions. I have the hardware and I need getting Linux to run on it - so that I do.

    But the Raspberry people held on to 32bit, to enable uniform
    software on all there models.

    The software is either easily rebuilt for any other arch (like ARM64) or is proprietary (and, in general, should not be used at all).

    Now they have given in to the pressure for a 64bit Raspbian, that
    is what I wanted to transmit.

    Who cares of Raspbian? It's just a PoS...

    For now, we even have 3D video working in a 64-bit mode. Anyone else? :-)


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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Maurice Kinal on Sun May 31 21:00:00 2020
    Good ${greeting_time}, Maurice!

    31 May 2020 17:28:50, you wrote to me:

    I really like homebrewed experts
    Me too. Perhaps you might know if the rpi4 can handle the higher
    speed SSDs on the usb3 interface?

    Yes, I have two "120Gb" SSDs in a RAID-1 /dev/md0 for the root FS here.

    They don't need to be bootable but if so that might be a bonus to
    some.

    Rpi4 is able to boot only from SD card, but telling the kernel root=/dev/md0 works just fine.

    The worst thing with Rpi4's USB is the use of buggy VIA VL805 chip. Hopefully, upcoming new board (one with 8 Gb RAM) would have VL817 instead...


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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun May 31 18:39:17 2020
    Hallo Alexey!

    Yes, I have two "120Gb" SSDs in a RAID-1 /dev/md0 for the root
    FS here.

    Are they using the standard usb mass storage or the uas driver? Last time I checked (raspi3b) the uas driver wasn't working.

    Hopefully, upcoming new board (one with 8 Gb RAM) would have
    VL817 instead...

    I'll keep an eye out for that. Thank you for the heads up. Also I noticed they plan to put the onboard wifi chip on there. Hopefully they will also add the connector(s) for external antenna(s). The Broadcom on the raspi3b was okay but lacked connector(s) which of course renders it useless for host ap mode given the extremely limited range. If not then it can be disabled and replaced with a decent usb one. What a waste. :::sigh:::

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Richard Menedetter on Sun May 31 22:22:22 2020
    Good ${greeting_time}, Richard!

    30 May 2020 08:35:04, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    welcome on board, i think about rpi 4 8G now :)
    Do you need that amount of memory?

    I do. And even more - 32 Gb would be ok for now.
    Also, I'd like to have 16 to 32 Cortex A72 cores instead of shitty BCM2711.

    Well, I know that would be something other than Rpi...

    I actually never use more than 2 GB. I go for 4 GB to be on the safe
    side, but 8 GB is overkill _for my usecases_ :) Anyhow it is great
    that it is available and maybe other people do more memory intensive
    stuff on their Pis :)

    Yes. Like building the software natively.


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Maurice Kinal on Sun May 31 23:17:00 2020
    Good ${greeting_time}, Maurice!

    31 May 2020 18:39:16, you wrote to me:

    Yes, I have two "120Gb" SSDs in a RAID-1 /dev/md0 for the root
    FS here.
    Are they using the standard usb mass storage or the uas driver?
    Last time I checked (raspi3b) the uas driver wasn't working.

    USB mass storage works just fine.

    Hopefully, upcoming new board (one with 8 Gb RAM) would have
    VL817 instead...
    I'll keep an eye out for that. Thank you for the heads up. Also I
    noticed they plan to put the onboard wifi chip on there. Hopefully
    they will also add the connector(s) for external antenna(s). The
    Broadcom on the raspi3b was okay but lacked connector(s) which of
    course renders it useless for host ap mode given the extremely
    limited range. If not then it can be disabled and replaced with a
    decent usb one. What a waste.

    I prefer to avoid using Broadcom shit, so I run WiFi APs with RT5370.


    --
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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Kees van Eeten on Sun May 31 20:32:18 2020
    Hello Kees!

    30 May 2020 12:02, Kees van Eeten wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    I know there are 64bit implementations by other distributions.

    microsoft still support 32bit in there 64bit distros, its long time since gentoo dropped 32bit on 64bit diststros


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/5.6.15-gentoo-x86_64 (x86_64))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Maurice Kinal on Sun May 31 20:34:44 2020
    Hello Maurice!

    31 May 2020 17:28, Maurice Kinal wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    Me too. Perhaps you might know if the rpi4 can handle the higher
    speed SSDs on the usb3 interface? They don't need to be bootable but
    if so that might be a bonus to some.

    why did you not just look at pi desktop at http://raspberrypi.dk/ and yes i have one of them, you just need a 5V/5A power supply to make it stable, if its only powered by 5V/3A its unstable


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/5.6.15-gentoo-x86_64 (x86_64))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun May 31 21:23:37 2020
    Hallo Alexey!

    USB mass storage works just fine.

    In most cases yes. However things are changing rapidly in the SSD world (eg nvme). All the msata, and now one nvme, disks on usb3 are using the uas driver as we speak. uas works just fine. :-)

    I prefer to avoid using Broadcom shit

    They are better than Intel, except in this case without connectors for external antennas they shouldn't have bothered.

    I run WiFi APs with RT5370.

    I have two systems both using RT3070 on the 2.4GHz band. I get the best long distance with these. I have yet to find anything better including newer Ralink chips. Also the RT3070s work with the kernel's inhouse wireless mesh which the RT5370s don't, or at least not the last time I checked.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Benny Pedersen on Sun May 31 21:40:54 2020
    Hallo Benny!

    why did you not just look at pi desktop at http://raspberrypi.dk/
    and yes i have one of them

    We talked about this before. If I were serious about ARM based PCs I would be more interested in what Alexey referred to in an earlier post today. Also it would need to have at least one m.2 nvme compatible slot for the main boot disk instead of the micro sd interface. I think we should leave the micro sd cards for digital cameras and crippled so-called smart devices that Android lives on.

    Speaking of which, I am still waiting for the bluetooth keyboard before taking up the termux challenge again. I already have a binkd for it which I tested sending a test msg to you not too long ago. I plan to compile the Husky stuff once it arrives. I think this will have more use than a raspi desktop since almost everyone and their dog has a smartphone. Not me but I do have a 10" tablet I use for testing my wireless networks.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Alexey Vissarionov on Mon Jun 1 08:36:52 2020
    Hi Alexey!

    31 May 2020 22:22, from Alexey Vissarionov -> Richard Menedetter:

    And even more - 32 Gb would be ok for now.
    Also, I'd like to have 16 to 32 Cortex A72 cores instead of shitty BCM2711.

    Well, I know that would be something other than Rpi...

    Exactly what I wanted to reply.
    There are different niches.
    And the Rpi was always the cheap and slow throw away hardware.
    You cab give it to an 8 year old, and if he spills his drink on it, you buy him a new one - no problem.

    A 4 core 4 GB RPi is already very capable in that niche.

    A 32 Core 32 GB RAM, 16 GB L3 Cache computer is not a RPi in my mind.

    I would immediately take it if it is reasonably priced, but it will not be the 35 USD computer that the RPi wants to be.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Kai Richter@2:240/77 to mark lewis on Tue Jun 2 11:20:52 2020
    Hello mark!

    30 May 20, mark lewis wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    Anyhow it is great that it is available and maybe other people do
    more memory intensive stuff on their Pis :)

    try using an rPi as a SQL server and you could easily find yourself wanting/needing more than 8Gig of RAM...

    May i remind you two what the pi was build for?

    As far as i remember it's a low cost plattform for education and was never designed for productive server operation.

    More RAM more Power for serving is not the direction of the pi.

    Btw, isn't the first step for RAM duplication the downgrade from 64 to 32bit?

    ;-)

    Regards

    Kai

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.4.7
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  • From Kai Richter@2:240/77 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Jun 2 12:34:00 2020
    Hello Alexey!

    31 May 20, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    Do you need that amount of memory?

    I do. And even more - 32 Gb would be ok for now.

    Well, I know that would be something other than Rpi...

    I deleted an answer to your "give a fuck for other - i use what i need" mail where i tried to remind you that the pi and you are aiming in different directions.
    We can see now that you know that already. The next logical step is simple. You should give a fuck for the pi and use the hardware you really need. ;)

    Regards

    Kai

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Jun 2 23:24:36 2020
    Hello Alexey!

    31 May 2020 23:17, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Maurice Kinal:

    USB mass storage works just fine.

    true

    but rpi cant boot it self from them, so most old rpi still need to have /boot on microsd cards

    I prefer to avoid using Broadcom shit, so I run WiFi APs with RT5370.

    oh


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Jun 2 23:27:04 2020
    Hello Maurice!

    31 May 2020 21:40, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    why did you not just look at pi desktop at http://raspberrypi.dk/
    and yes i have one of them

    We talked about this before.

    yes

    If I were serious about ARM based PCs I
    would be more interested in what Alexey referred to in an earlier post today.

    is ther raspberry pi without arm cpus ?

    Also it would need to have at least one m.2 nvme compatible
    slot for the main boot disk instead of the micro sd interface.

    i have the add one card in a rpi2 and tested rpi3, will like to have gentoo on it, just where it gentoo is precompiled on some other computer i have

    I think we should leave the micro sd cards for digital cameras and crippled so-called smart devices that Android lives on.

    sure just PXE boot then :)

    Speaking of which, I am still waiting for the bluetooth keyboard
    before taking up the termux challenge again.

    ... things take time

    I already have a binkd
    for it which I tested sending a test msg to you not too long ago.

    pretty cool, just remember not to uninstall termux now, this will delete all your work, if programmer of termux will make a tarball of envoirement before he let android delete all it woild be saved work in the download dir of the device, hopefully this can be hoook scripted or api in android to make this

    I plan to compile the Husky stuff once it arrives.

    it will be a dream machine in the pocket :)

    I think this will
    have more use than a raspi desktop since almost everyone and their dog has a smartphone.

    the desktop could stay in shell, all i need

    Not me but I do have a 10" tablet I use for testing
    my wireless networks.

    here its 49" :)

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    +1

    Regards Benny

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Benny Pedersen on Wed Jun 3 12:00:00 2020
    Good ${greeting_time}, Benny!

    02 Jun 2020 23:27:04, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

    If I were serious about ARM based PCs I would be more interested
    in what Alexey referred to in an earlier post today.
    is ther raspberry pi without arm cpus ?

    No. And for now, ARM64 (aarch64, ARMv8) is the most advanced architecture.

    Also it would need to have at least one m.2 nvme compatible slot
    for the main boot disk instead of the micro sd interface.

    2 MK: I'd rather have PCI-E x4 (or even x1) slot.

    i have the add one card in a rpi2 and tested rpi3, will like to
    have gentoo on it, just where it gentoo is precompiled on some
    other computer i have

    So what prevents you from doing that?

    I think we should leave the micro sd cards for digital cameras and
    crippled so-called smart devices that Android lives on.
    sure just PXE boot then :)

    SD cards have one important advantage: they can work in the SPI mode, thus allowing bare CPUs (all modern CPUs a really SoCs) interact with them.

    And, anyway, having microSD slot is much better than soldered eMMC chip.

    I plan to compile the Husky stuff once it arrives.
    it will be a dream machine in the pocket :)

    I almost have one. Alas, for now it's just RPi4-4Gb.


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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Benny Pedersen on Wed Jun 3 13:39:41 2020
    Hallo Benny!

    is ther raspberry pi without arm cpus ?

    No but there is an Atomic Pi which is an Intel based system; x5-z8350 Atom. That makes it compatible with the standard x86_64 based Linux distributions. Personally I don't care much for it for the same reasons as the rasperry pi's.

    sure just PXE boot then :)

    No thank you. I can wait until something better comes along. If the raspi4b with 8G ram lost the onboard wifi it would be more attractive to me at this point in time. I'd muuch prefer adding my own wifi that had connectors for external antennas and can handle the kernel's wireless mesh (802.11s).

    just remember not to uninstall termux now, this will delete all
    your work

    Yes I know but thank you for the heads up. At the moment I am still waiting for the bluetooth keyboard which they tell me should arrive today or at least before the end of the week. We'll soon see ... I hope.

    it will be a dream machine in the pocket :)

    Unless you have very big pockets a 10" tablet won't fit. With my eyesight I require a bigger display to be able to read it. However whatever works on the tablet should work on a smartphone that will fit in a pocket so all is not lost.

    the desktop could stay in shell, all i need

    I agree ... or as you say +1. :-)

    We should be in business very soon.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wed Jun 3 14:22:58 2020
    Hallo Alexey!

    2 MK: I'd rather have PCI-E x4 (or even x1) slot.

    Agreed except I have yet to see any pci slots on any raspberry pi. An x4 slot would be needed for nvme ssd's to get the full potential but at least a x1 if msata was used instead. They are a tad faster than regular sata drives given the immediate response. However none of these are an option for raspi's other than through the usb port. Therefore the newer raspi4 with usb3 ports are the more attractive option at this stage of the game ... especially with 8G of ram.

    And, anyway, having microSD slot is much better than soldered
    eMMC chip.

    Neither are a good option.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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