Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I can send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet session with the specified
IP address and "act" like a modem?

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux Kernel :)


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Hi Joaquim!

07 Nov 2017 19:30, from Joaquim Homrighausen -> *:

Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I can
send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet session with
the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux
Kernel :)

As already mentioned in another area: https://github.com/geneb/tcpser/blob/master/README

I do not think that you need to recompile the kernel for it.

Application:

TCPSER turns a PC serial port into an emulated Hayes compatible modem that
uses TCP/IP for incoming and outgoing connections. It can be used to allow older applications and systems designed for modem use to operate on the Internet. TCPSER supports all standard Hayes commands, and understands extended and vendor proprietary commands (though it does not implement
many of them). TCPSER can be used for both inbound and outbound connections.

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Joaquim,

On Tue Nov 07 2017 19:30:10, Joaquim Homrighausen wrote to *:

Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I can
send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet session with
the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux
Kernel :)

Sexpots I think it's called. It comes with Synchronet, but I believe it may be available standalone somewhere?

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nicholas!

Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will,
like NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That
is, I can send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a
telnet session with the specified IP address and "act" like a
modem?

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the
Linux Kernel :)

Sexpots I think it's called. It comes with Synchronet, but I believe
it may be available standalone somewhere?

Wrong way, he's looking for something that emulates a modem over TCP/IP. SEXPOTS accepts POTS calls with an actual modem (It's what I use for my dialup line)


Mike


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Hello Mike,

On Tue Nov 07 2017 18:45:40, Mike Miller wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Sexpots I think it's called. It comes with Synchronet, but I
believe it may be available standalone somewhere?

Wrong way, he's looking for something that emulates a modem over
TCP/IP. SEXPOTS accepts POTS calls with an actual modem (It's what I
use for my dialup line)

Ah, ok. My bad.

Regards,
Nick

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On 11/07/17, Nicholas Boel said the following...

Hello Joaquim,

On Tue Nov 07 2017 19:30:10, Joaquim Homrighausen wrote to *:

Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I can send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet session wit the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux Kernel :)

Sexpots I think it's called. It comes with Synchronet, but I believe it may be available standalone somewhere?

This is for inbound POTS call to telnet connections only, IIRC, which is what
I THINK JoHo is not wanting to accomplish here. I think what he wants is something like tcpser.

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Good ${greeting_time}, Joaquim!

07 Nov 2017 19:30:10, you wrote to *:

Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I
can send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
IPv4? Telnet???

session with the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Forget of both.

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux
Kernel :)

That could require writing a kernel module, but nobody in a good mind would write such a PoS.


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Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I can send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet session with the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Not software, and you're probably already aware of it, but there's the
WiFi232. It's designed to attach to old devices and acts like a modem but routes the connection over TCP/IP. It accepts ATDT127.0.0.1 and functions exactly like you're looking.

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Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux
Kernel :)

As already mentioned in another area: https://github.com/geneb/tcpser/blob/master/README

I do not think that you need to recompile the kernel for it.

I have looked at tcpser, even built it, and been in touch with the author when I failed to get it working (as I described). It would seem the author is under the impression that it is not a "Modem + COM port emulator", but more along the
lines of a "Remote Modem Emulator", in other words, something that allows us/me/you to talk to a modem by distance (or "virtual port", which may or may not be local/remote).



-joho

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Wrong way, he's looking for something that emulates a modem over
TCP/IP. SEXPOTS accepts POTS calls with an actual modem (It's
what I use for my dialup line)

Indeed. I'm looking for something that'd let me run "something" (FroDo) under "something" (DOSbox in Linux) and still believe it's talking to a standard COM port and modem.

(That is, until I manage to get all the code re-built for native access to the glorious resources at hand)

:)



-joho

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IPv4? Telnet???

Yes, was I unclear, or were you pointing out spelling errors?

session with the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Forget of both.

Oh but I can't, I dream of such things to come.

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux
Kernel :)

That could require writing a kernel module, but nobody in a good
mind would write such a PoS.

Actually, it doesn't. Maybe you should do some research before thrashing someone's post, yes?

tty0tty + tcpser coded into a CUSE application would probably do the job.

Oh, I'm sorry ... you never heard of CUSE, it's like FUSE, but for character devices in user space; in other words, NOT in the Kernel space, but rather in User space.

One major advantage of user space stuff, like FUSE, is that you don't need to become a Kernel driver.

But of course, you already knew that.


-joho

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Hello Joaquim,

On Thu Nov 09 2017 23:12:00, Joaquim Homrighausen wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

But of course, you already knew that.

Nah, probably not. He just seems to like to insult first, then attempt to think
later. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Joaquim!

07 Nov 2017 19:30, Joaquim Homrighausen wrote to *:

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux
Kernel :)

see your /etc/inittab

----- inittab begins -----
#
# /etc/inittab: This file describes how the INIT process should set up
# the system in a certain run-level.
#
# Author: Miquel van Smoorenburg, <miquels@cistron.nl>
# Modified by: Patrick J. Volkerding, <volkerdi@ftp.cdrom.com>
# Modified by: Daniel Robbins, <drobbins@gentoo.org>
# Modified by: Martin Schlemmer, <azarah@gentoo.org>
# Modified by: Mike Frysinger, <vapier@gentoo.org>
# Modified by: Robin H. Johnson, <robbat2@gentoo.org>
# Modified by: William Hubbs, <williamh@gentoo.org>
#

# Default runlevel.
id:3:initdefault:

# System initialization, mount local filesystems, etc.
si::sysinit:/sbin/openrc sysinit

# Further system initialization, brings up the boot runlevel. rc::bootwait:/sbin/openrc boot

l0:0:wait:/sbin/openrc shutdown
l0s:0:wait:/sbin/halt -dhnp
l1:1:wait:/sbin/openrc single
l2:2:wait:/sbin/openrc nonetwork
l3:3:wait:/sbin/openrc default
l4:4:wait:/sbin/openrc default
l5:5:wait:/sbin/openrc default
l6:6:wait:/sbin/openrc reboot
l6r:6:wait:/sbin/reboot -dkn
#z6:6:respawn:/sbin/sulogin

# new-style single-user
su0:S:wait:/sbin/openrc single
su1:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin

# TERMINALS
#x1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 console linux c1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux
c2:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux
c3:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux
c4:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux
c5:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux
c6:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux

# SERIAL CONSOLES
#s0:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L 115200 ttyS0 vt100 #s1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L 115200 ttyS1 vt100

# What to do at the "Three Finger Salute".
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -r now

# Used by /etc/init.d/xdm to control DM startup.
# Read the comments in /etc/init.d/xdm for more
# info. Do NOT remove, as this will start nothing
# extra at boot if /etc/init.d/xdm is not added
# to the "default" runlevel.
x:a:once:/etc/X11/startDM.sh
----- inittab ends -----

i think you would like to check agetty ?


----- agetty begins -----
* runit-service/service-agetty [1]
Available versions: ~1.0.2 ~2.0.0
Homepage: http://powerman.name/RTFM/runit.html
Description: Service for agetty

[1] "powerman" layman/powerman
----- agetty ends -----

----- vgetty begins -----
* dev-perl/Modem-Vgetty
Available versions: ~0.30.0-r1
Homepage: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Modem-Vgetty/
Description: Interface to voice modems using vgetty

----- vgetty ends -----

----- fbgetty begins -----
* net-dialup/fbgetty
Available versions: 0.1.698-r1
Homepage: http://projects.meuh.org/fbgetty/
Description: An extended getty for the framebuffer console

----- fbgetty ends -----

----- mgetty begins -----
[I] net-dialup/mgetty
Available versions: 1.1.37-r1 {doc +fax fidonet}
Installed versions: 1.1.37-r1(09:17:54 22-03-2017)(-doc -fax -fidonet)
Homepage: http://mgetty.greenie.net/
Description: fax and voice modem programs

----- mgetty ends -----

----- mingetty begins -----
* net-dialup/mingetty
Available versions: 1.08-r1 {unicode}
Homepage: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingetty
Description: A compact getty program for virtual consoles only

----- mingetty ends -----


Regards Benny

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On 2017 Nov 09 23:05:40, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

As already mentioned in another area:
https://github.com/geneb/tcpser/blob/master/README

I do not think that you need to recompile the kernel for it.

I have looked at tcpser, even built it, and been in touch with the author when I failed to get it working (as I described). It would seem the author is under the impression that it is not a "Modem + COM port emulator", but more along the lines of a "Remote Modem Emulator", in other words, something that allows us/me/you to talk to a modem by distance (or

"virtual

port", which may or may not be local/remote).

sounds to me like he/they consider it like one of thos old-school modem banks that you talk to over TCPIP...

my first response was to ask why go this way... detect the base environment and
forego the telnet stuff for a direct (maybe aka raw) connection and do FTN raw instead of enveloped in telnet or vmodem /unless/ the remote indicates that it can do no other... shoveling binkp into the mix should be no worse then adding another protocol engine... the main thing i see is to detect the environment and go native where possible... $deity knows that i go $native every chance i get and i prefer that those i interact with do as well O:) ;) ;) ;)

with that said, i have noticed, for years, that there are some BBSes that deal with ports like they are simply files... back in the day, many of them would redirect the comX port to CTTY for shell access... no FOSSIL or other similar com specific details needed... a lot of ""extraneous"" stuff can be bypassed by
going native but that ""extraneous"" stuff may still be desired so as to support older connection methods (eg: FTN over telnet) while still being able to adopt newer methods (eg: FTN over some secure protocol)...

i now you/we need to start at some beginning and the old POTS stuff works... the key is to then detect and branch away from that when necessary and embrace the new network oriented connection methods... use something that already exists (eg: raw) or develop a new one...

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On 2017 Nov 08 10:20:00, you wrote to Joaquim Homrighausen:

Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like
NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I
can send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
IPv4? Telnet???

sure! why not?

session with the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Forget of both.

really?? a FTSC member attempting to snuff out development in the network?? what's next? are you going to DDoS other developers working to offer FTNs another method of connecting?? are you sure you need/should remain on the FTSC with this attitude??

Pref. one that can be run / invoked without re-compiling the Linux
Kernel :)

That could require writing a kernel module, but nobody in a good mind

would

write such a PoS.

yeah, no... we thank you for your (uninformed) opinion... good bye!

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On 2017 Nov 09 23:07:42, you wrote to Mike Miller:

Wrong way, he's looking for something that emulates a modem over
TCP/IP. SEXPOTS accepts POTS calls with an actual modem (It's what I
use for my dialup line)

Indeed. I'm looking for something that'd let me run "something"
(FroDo) under "something" (DOSbox in Linux) and still believe it's
talking to a standard COM port and modem.

ummm, i don't kow where to look or ask but i do know that some are or have run FD under DOSBOX with telnet access... i don't know how they did it, though... under DOSEMU, connecting a com port to a telnet connection was easy when we did
it for a Mystic BBS system but that was on a 32bit ubuntu... i don't think it has been achieved on the 64bit SBBS installation...

(That is, until I manage to get all the code re-built for native
access to the glorious resources at hand)

there ya go!

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On 2017 Nov 09 18:06:16, you wrote to Joaquim Homrighausen:

But of course, you already knew that.

Nah, probably not. He just seems to like to insult first, then attempt
to think later. ;)

awww... you're just being nice... sad }O:) ;) ;) ;)

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Hello mark,

On Thu Nov 09 2017 19:11:24, mark lewis wrote to Joaquim Homrighausen:

ummm, i don't kow where to look or ask but i do know that some are or
have run FD under DOSBOX with telnet access... i don't know how they
did it, though... under DOSEMU, connecting a com port to a telnet connection was easy when we did it for a Mystic BBS system but that
was on a 32bit ubuntu... i don't think it has been achieved on the
64bit SBBS installation...

For the record, dosemu works the same on both 32bit and 64bit linux. It is not hindered in the Windows realm where 16bit support was dropped in the 64bit versions.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello mark,

On Thu Nov 09 2017 19:44:28, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Nah, probably not. He just seems to like to insult first, then
attempt to think later. ;)

awww... you're just being nice... sad }O:) ;) ;) ;)

Hah. Yeah I suppose. Had to 'bite my tongue' or uhh, 'tie my typing fingers' a few times this week, unfortunately. Don't fret though, it's getting colder out so I'm sure I'll be back to my normal self soon enough! ;)

Regards,
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Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I can se "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet session with the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Not software, and you're probably already aware of it, but there's the TT>WiFi232. It's designed to attach to old devices and acts like a modem but TT>routes the connection over TCP/IP. It accepts ATDT127.0.0.1 and functions TT>exactly like you're looking.

Yes, that is exactly what he's looking for.

Problem is, they are not available. The guy who makes them only turns
out small batches and it's been sold out for months. Supposedly going
to be more coming "some day". Arggghhh.


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Hi Joaquim!

09 Nov 2017 23:05, from Joaquim Homrighausen -> Richard Menedetter:

https://github.com/geneb/tcpser/blob/master/README
I do not think that you need to recompile the kernel for it.

I have looked at tcpser, even built it, and been in touch with the
author when I failed to get it working (as I described).

Sorry ... it seems that I missed your description.

It would seem
the author is under the impression that it is not a "Modem + COM port emulator", but more along the lines of a "Remote Modem Emulator", in
other words, something that allows us/me/you to talk to a modem by distance (or "virtual port", which may or may not be local/remote).

Hmmm ... I was just googeling and the description sounded right in the first moment ;)
Best idea is to implement BinkP and the need for such modem emulator kludges disappears into thin air.

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Dan!

09 Nov 2017 21:12, from Dan Clough -> TONY TOON:

Not software, and you're probably already aware of it, but there's
the WiFi232. It's designed to attach to old devices and acts like a
modem but routes the connection over TCP/IP. It accepts
ATDT127.0.0.1 and functions exactly like you're looking.

Yes, that is exactly what he's looking for.

Problem is, they are not available. The guy who makes them only turns
out small batches and it's been sold out for months. Supposedly going
to be more coming "some day". Arggghhh.

It uses an ESP8266 with a specific programming.
See eg here https://github.com/jsalin/esp8266_modem

You will also need level converters to shift to the correct voltages.

CU, Ricsi

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In a message on Saturday 11-10-17 Richard Menedetter said to Joaquim Homrighausen:

Hej Joaquim,

I have looked at tcpser, even built it, and been in touch with the
author when I failed to get it working (as I described).

Take a look at a program named SIO. I'm using it here and ist has much
more to offer than I can use.

It would seem
the author is under the impression that it is not a "Modem + COM port emulator", but more along the lines of a "Remote Modem Emulator", in
other words, something that allows us/me/you to talk to a modem by distance (or "virtual port", which may or may not be local/remote).

It may be close to what you are looking for.


H�lsningar,

Holger


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Hello Richard!

10 Nov 2017 14:18, Richard Menedetter wrote to Joaquim Homrighausen:

Best idea is to implement BinkP and the need for such modem emulator kludges disappears into thin air.

on loosing grounds

Amiga will only have EMSI

why was BINKP created to solve EMSI over ip ?

imho that was not smart

Amiga users can do trapdoor > telser.device > internet host with support emsi


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Good ${greeting_time}, Joaquim!

09 Nov 2017 23:07:42, you wrote to Mike Miller:

Wrong way, he's looking for something that emulates a modem over
TCP/IP. SEXPOTS accepts POTS calls with an actual modem (It's
what I use for my dialup line)

Indeed. I'm looking for something that'd let me run "something"
(FroDo) under "something" (DOSbox in Linux) and still believe it's
talking to a standard COM port and modem.
(That is, until I manage to get all the code re-built for native
access to the glorious resources at hand)

You'd better start with that...


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Good ${greeting_time}, mark!

09 Nov 2017 19:07:42, you wrote to me:

* Originally in linux
* Crossposted in ftsc_public

Ok, you were the first who did that...

* Originally in LINUX
* Crossposted in FTSC_PUBLIC

Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like
NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I
can send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
IPv4? Telnet???

sure! why not?

FQDN? IPv6? Never heard of.
For telnet... well, only lamers from US may still use it and yell about those terrible "Russian hackers".

Hint: read the 'SSH to Telnet "gateway"' thread in this echo, started by Joacim
Melin on 2016-04-10, especially my answers with MSGID: 2:5020/545 570b23d5 and MSGID: 2:5020/545 570b8e84. Control question: how did I find he was running old
FreeBSD 7.3 in the VM? :-)

session with the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Forget of both.

really?? a FTSC member attempting to snuff out development in the network?? what's next? are you going to DDoS other developers working
to offer FTNs another method of connecting?? are you sure you
need/should remain on the FTSC with this attitude??

Modem emulation over insecure IPv4-only links is not a development - it's degradation. What do _you_ do in FTSC without understanding that?


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* Originally in ftsc_public
* Crossposted in linux

On 2017 Nov 13 07:15:00, you wrote to me:

* Originally in linux
* Crossposted in ftsc_public

Ok, you were the first who did that...

:shrug:

* Originally in LINUX
* Crossposted in FTSC_PUBLIC

Is anyone aware of any software / driver for Linux that will, like
NetSerial for example, emulate a "modem" over TCP/IP. That is, I
can send "ATDT123.123.123.123" and it will establish a telnet

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
IPv4? Telnet???

sure! why not?

FQDN? IPv6? Never heard of.

they have been heard of, yes... start with the existing and easy stuff and then
add the capabilities for using other methods... have you not heard of doing that?

For telnet... well, only lamers from US may still use it and yell
about those terrible "Russian hackers".

i've seen no one yelling about "russian hackers"...

Hint: read the 'SSH to Telnet "gateway"' thread in this echo, started
by Joacim Melin on 2016-04-10, especially my answers with MSGID: 2:5020/545 570b23d5 and MSGID: 2:5020/545 570b8e84. Control question:
how did I find he was running old FreeBSD 7.3 in the VM? :-)

:shrug:

session with the specified IP address and "act" like a modem?

Forget of both.

really?? a FTSC member attempting to snuff out development in the
network?? what's next? are you going to DDoS other developers working
to offer FTNs another method of connecting?? are you sure you
need/should remain on the FTSC with this attitude??

Modem emulation over insecure IPv4-only links is not a development

sure it is... it offers another channel for communications... perhaps this quote will help you remember what fidonet is all about...

[quote]
FidoNet's PURPOSE:

Very simple; it is a hobby, a non-commercial network of computer hobbiests ("hackers", in the older, original meaning) who want to play with, and find uses for, packet switch networking. It is not a commercial venture in any way; FidoNet is totally supported by it's users and sysops, and in many ways is similar to ham radio, in that other than a few "stiff" rules, each sysop runs their system in any way they please, for any reason they want.

FidoHist.Txt, 7/14/85, Tom Jennings, the founder of Fidonet
[/quote]

- it's degradation.

really? communications is a degradation? we see where you are now...

What do _you_ do in FTSC without understanding that?

since i'm not a candidate i'll turn your question back on you... what is your answer?

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But of course, you already knew that.

Nah, probably not. He just seems to like to insult first, then
attempt to think later. ;)

Ah ... yes ... there is that.



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Hello Joaquim!

09 Nov 17 23:07, you wrote to Mike Miller:

Indeed. I'm looking for something that'd let me run "something"
(FroDo) under "something" (DOSbox in Linux) and still believe it's
talking to a standard COM port and modem.

Ummm.. Interested.

(That is, until I manage to get all the code re-built for native
access to the glorious resources at hand)

Oh now I am positively salivating FrontDoor native in Linux... OH YES PLEASE!!

Rick


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Rick Christian wrote to Joaquim Homrighausen <=-

Hello Joaquim!

09 Nov 17 23:07, you wrote to Mike Miller:

Indeed. I'm looking for something that'd let me run "something"
(FroDo) under "something" (DOSbox in Linux) and still believe it's
talking to a standard COM port and modem.

Ummm.. Interested.

Hmm, doesn't DOSBox offer this already?


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Good ${greeting_time}, Tony!

08 Jan 2018 20:45:00, you wrote to Rick Christian:

Indeed. I'm looking for something that'd let me run "something"
(FroDo) under "something" (DOSbox in Linux) and still believe
it's talking to a standard COM port and modem.

Ummm.. Interested.

Hmm, doesn't DOSBox offer this already?

No. And that's good.


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On 01/08/18, Tony Langdon said the following...

Indeed. I'm looking for something that'd let me run "something" (FroDo) under "something" (DOSbox in Linux) and still believe it's talking to a standard COM port and modem.

Hmm, doesn't DOSBox offer this already?

serial1=modem listenport:31337

You can "dial" telnet URLs like phone numbers. Sadly most DOS terminals don't have much space in the for full URLs in their phone books.

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Static wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

serial1=modem listenport:31337

You can "dial" telnet URLs like phone numbers. Sadly most DOS terminals don't have much space in the for full URLs in their phone books.

Nothing stopping you typing

ATDT bbs.hostname.com

:)


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On 01/09/18, Tony Langdon said the following...

Nothing stopping you typing

Not as convenient though. Also you miss out on the dialer dialog playing a little jingle.when it connects.

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Static wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

On 01/09/18, Tony Langdon said the following...

Nothing stopping you typing

Not as convenient though. Also you miss out on the dialer dialog
playing a little jingle.when it connects.

I had no problems with Telix, getting it to store a hostname and play its little connection tune. I was testing DOSBox, and sadly discovered that while the virtual modem works on a Windows PC, the modem functionality seems to be crippled on all of the Android ports that I've tried. :( I was going to try and setup a DOSBox with Telix and Bluewave on my phone, but it appears that I can't. :(


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Hello Tony!

08 Jan 18 20:45, you wrote to me:

Ummm.. Interested.

Hmm, doesn't DOSBox offer this already?

In my research to resetup Fido under Linux, I remember coming accross some stuff about that, I have it on the list for future lab time. At this point though its so far down the list or such low priority versus other things.

I would really just as soon have a NATIVE LINUX FD versus hacking to together in a DOSbox, then a VMODEM thing, etc.. More layers is more layers that can and
will break.

Rick


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In a message on 01-07-18 Rick Christian said to Joaquim Homrighausen:

Good evening Joaquim,

Indeed. I'm looking for something that'd let me run "something"
(FroDo) under "something" (DOSbox in Linux) and still believe it's
talking to a standard COM port and modem.

Have you tried SIO? I'm using it in OS/2 and did previously use it under
DOS and with FrontDoor in Windows WfWG v3.11.


Have a good night,

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Rick Christian wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I would really just as soon have a NATIVE LINUX FD versus hacking to together in a DOSbox, then a VMODEM thing, etc.. More layers is more layers that can and
will break.

I agree totally, that's why I run binkd here. I was a Bink user back in the modem days, so binkd wasn't a huge learning curve, even though it is quite different. At least BSO was familiar to me. :)


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On 01/09/18, Tony Langdon said the following...

I had no problems with Telix, getting it to store a hostname and play its little connection tune.

If it's short enough. Telix has a 17-character limit in the phone book so longer hostnames or IP+port combinations won't fit.

I was testing DOSBox, and sadly discovered that while the virtual modem works on a Windows PC, the modem functionality seems to be crippled on all of the Android ports that I've tried. :(

Well that's a shame. I wonder why that was omitted. It works in the Linux port and Android is very closely related...
I have DosBox Turbo on some of my devices so I opened up the .conf by hand. Sure enough the serial stanza is completely absent, and even if you add it in manually the application doesn't react to it at all.

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Static wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

If it's short enough. Telix has a 17-character limit in the phone book
so longer hostnames or IP+port combinations won't fit.

The ones I tried obviously were short enough. Got lucky. :)

Well that's a shame. I wonder why that was omitted. It works in the
Linux port and Android is very closely related...
I have DosBox Turbo on some of my devices so I opened up the .conf by hand. Sure enough the serial stanza is completely absent, and even if
you add it in manually the application doesn't react to it at all.

There's several Android ports of DOSBox, and all are crippled in the same weay. :( And I got exactly the same results as you - even manually adding the options didn't work. In one case, I used the exact same config as my working Windows DOSBox config. :(


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Static wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

If it's short enough. Telix has a 17-character limit in the phone book
so longer hostnames or IP+port combinations won't fit.

The ones I tried obviously were short enough. Got lucky. :)

Well that's a shame. I wonder why that was omitted. It works in the
Linux port and Android is very closely related...
I have DosBox Turbo on some of my devices so I opened up the .conf by hand. Sure enough the serial stanza is completely absent, and even if
you add it in manually the application doesn't react to it at all.

There's several Android ports of DOSBox, and all are crippled in the same weay. :( And I got exactly the same results as you - even manually adding the options didn't work. In one case, I used the exact same config as my working Windows DOSBox config. :(


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Hmm, doesn't DOSBox offer this already?

I don't know about DOSBox, but dosemu does.

I've had Telix working under DOSBox into an emulated modem on my Win64

system.

:)

Awesome. I used to have GT Power's terminal mode working with VMODEM under OS/2. You just put the url in place of the phone number, and it would
"dial it up" as ATDT address.com, like I think you pointed out in another message.

It was great! IMHO, if you can get the old term programs working that way, they are still better than most of the "modern" ones that have native
telnet.

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Mike Powell wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Awesome. I used to have GT Power's terminal mode working with VMODEM under OS/2. You just put the url in place of the phone number, and it would "dial it up" as ATDT address.com, like I think you pointed out in another message.

SIO/Vmodem was awesome as well, used to use that back in the 90s with RA/Binkley. :)


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Hello Tony!

10 Jan 18 08:22, you wrote to me:

I agree totally, that's why I run binkd here. I was a Bink user back
in the modem days, so binkd wasn't a huge learning curve, even though
it is quite different. At least BSO was familiar to me. :)

I ran FD during the days I had my stuff on modem, specifically because I disliked (and still do) bink. Unfortunately on the NATIVE Linux side there seems to be little elese available. There were reasons as to why FD made sense
to me at the time. I even added in Terminate as a point system for some things. Although my main point was just my old FD setup made into a point, when
I moved all mystuff into my office where I had the phone lines to spare.

So the possabiity of a NATIVE LINUX FD... is like nirvana! FD made sense to me where as bink doesn't and still doesn't. I think there is also a Linux version of the tosser I used at that time too. Right now the only piece of the puzzle that is missing is FD.

I had FD, BGFAX, GIGO all running. I actully tested BGFA and GIGO.

I'd love to find a Linux path for GIGO, the various UseNet/EMAIL to Fido gating
systems all seem to be DOA regardless of OS. I may still scrape all the pieces
together and mix up a VM with DOSBox etc. to try this out for a project, but I've got other things on the list right now.

Rick


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Rick Christian wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I ran FD during the days I had my stuff on modem, specifically because
I disliked (and still do) bink. Unfortunately on the NATIVE Linux side there seems to be little elese available. There were reasons as to why
FD made sense
to me at the time. I even added in Terminate as a point system for
some things. Although my main point was just my old FD setup made into
a point, when
I moved all mystuff into my office where I had the phone lines to
spare.

Bink worked for me, and when I had my point running GIGO (the point was spun off the original BBS), Bink's bidirectional transfer protocol saved a lot of time, with a lot of mail travelling in both directions, especially in the earlier days, when I was running 2400 bps. Was interesting seeing bot RxD and Txd lights on continuously. :)

So the possabiity of a NATIVE LINUX FD... is like nirvana! FD made
sense to me where as bink doesn't and still doesn't. I think there is
also a Linux version of the tosser I used at that time too. Right now
the only piece of the puzzle that is missing is FD.

I had FD, BGFAX, GIGO all running. I actully tested BGFA and GIGO.

I was a big fan of GIGO at the time. :)

I'd love to find a Linux path for GIGO, the various UseNet/EMAIL to
Fido gating
systems all seem to be DOA regardless of OS. I may still scrape all
the pieces
together and mix up a VM with DOSBox etc. to try this out for a
project, but I've got other things on the list right now.

Yeah, all are dead, as are the ham packet radio to FTN gating systems that were around in the 90s. :( Sadly, GIGO is abandonware. Someone would have to rewrite a clone from the ground up. :(


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Hello Tony!

14 Jan 18 17:43, you wrote to Rick Christian:

Yeah, all are dead, as are the ham packet radio to FTN gating systems
that were around in the 90s. :( Sadly, GIGO is abandonware. Someone
would have to rewrite a clone from the ground up. :(

Source code for GIGO was released by Jason at one point; I think I've got a copy here somewhere.

Andrew

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Andrew Leary wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Source code for GIGO was released by Jason at one point; I think I've
got a copy here somewhere.

Oh, OK, I didn't realise the source was ever released.


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On 2018 Jan 14 17:43:00, you wrote to Rick Christian:

I'd love to find a Linux path for GIGO, the various UseNet/EMAIL to
Fido gating systems all seem to be DOA regardless of OS. I may still
scrape all the pieces together and mix up a VM with DOSBox etc. to
try this out for a project, but I've got other things on the list
right now.

Yeah, all are dead, as are the ham packet radio to FTN gating systems
that were around in the 90s. :( Sadly, GIGO is abandonware. Someone
would have to rewrite a clone from the ground up. :(

au contrare'... the GIGO source code is available and has been ported... i don't know how well the port works, though... i still use the original binaries
from jason on my OS/2 system...

https://www.gigo.com/post/GIGO_Announcement/
https://www.gigo.com/post/GIGO_History/

unfortunately the source code is not available from the ftp site linked in one of the above articles... IIRC, our friend in Oz has a repo with the modified code available... but, if not, i do have the original allsource.zip that jason released back in '97 or '98... the archive is about 3Meg in size... one need only ask ;)

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mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

allsource.zip that jason released back in '97 or '98... the archive is about 3Meg in size... one need only ask ;)

Consider me asking :) How would you like to deliver the package?

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On 2018 Jan 14 08:13:20, you wrote to me:

allsource.zip that jason released back in '97 or '98... the archive
is about 3Meg in size... one need only ask ;)

Consider me asking :) How would you like to deliver the package?

look in the inbound of your 1:116/18 system... it has directories in it so make
sure you extract them, too, to keep things laid out correctly...

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mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

au contrare'... the GIGO source code is available and has been
ported... i don't know how well the port works, though... i still use
the original binaries from jason on my OS/2 system...

Good to hear the source is out there.

https://www.gigo.com/post/GIGO_Announcement/
https://www.gigo.com/post/GIGO_History/

unfortunately the source code is not available from the ftp site linked
in one of the above articles... IIRC, our friend in Oz has a repo with
the modified code available... but, if not, i do have the original allsource.zip that jason released back in '97 or '98... the archive is about 3Meg in size... one need only ask ;)

Yes, given two different sources have now said the same thing, it is just a matter of looking.


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On 2018 Jan 15 07:49:00, you wrote to me:

unfortunately the source code is not available from the ftp site
linked in one of the above articles... IIRC, our friend in Oz has a
repo with the modified code available... but, if not, i do have the
original allsource.zip that jason released back in '97 or '98... the
archive is about 3Meg in size... one need only ask ;)

Yes, given two different sources have now said the same thing, it is
just a matter of looking.

do you want a copy? i can fire one off to you...

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mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

do you want a copy? i can fire one off to you...

Might be handy to have on file, I'll take a copy thanks. :)


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Hello mark!

15 Jan 18 15:34, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

is just a matter of looking.

do you want a copy? i can fire one off to you...

I'd like a copy, at least for archival purposes, please.

Thanks.

If some one is going to work on a native Linux recompile of this I'd be a willing tester, again.

Rick


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Hello Tony!

14 Jan 18 17:43, you wrote to me:

Bink worked for me, and when I had my point running GIGO (the point
was spun off the original BBS), Bink's bidirectional transfer protocol saved a lot of time, with a lot of mail travelling in both directions,

FD had a nice setup screen, status screen, and there was more it to a the time,
which I don't recall all the details. Alot of it had to do with actual operation of the queue(s) etc, but that is a rough recolection at best.

especially in the earlier days, when I was running 2400 bps. Was interesting seeing bot RxD and Txd lights on continuously. :)

Well I had what Bell of PA at that time called Metro Service, basically I could
call most of the 412 area code prior to the NPA split, for $35-40/month. Slurp
as much as I needed.

The volume increased enough that having a dedicated line for it all was better than trying to get Fido, FAX, uucp, and voice to all share. So I moved it to the office and I had phone lines to spare for it all. I just then ran a point at home to get stuff at night.

I was a big fan of GIGO at the time. :)

I got hooked into the beta testing of it early on, and it was like FD it worked
better than what was the big work horse of this at the time, I think UFGATE??
GIGO was just awesome. I had to be doing this on something for awhile before GIGO came along..hmmm.. I had a uucp account with Telerama for a long time. Matter of fact I think I was like one of the last few they were allowing to keep the damn things! I 'd love to see the code of this revived for Linux. It won't be me as a I don't touch C.

Yeah, all are dead, as are the [amateur|Part 97] packet radio to
FTN
gating
systems
that were around in the 90s. :(

Really?? None of those survived? Hmm I would have thought some of that stuff in the packet world of Amateur radio would continue on. I never got into that as at that time you still needed 5WPM CW, and my brain just didn't then and doesn't know work for CW. I moved on to build much bigger radios sytems in numerous states.

Sadly, GIGO is abandonware. Someone
would have to rewrite a clone from the ground up. :(

I think source was released, but then the sites that had it disappeared and they who wrote seems to be rather against discussing any part of GIGO, as the site I found mentioned pretty much "Don't boterh me about GIGO!" So some one pissed in his cheerios or something. I think this happened after I had to move for work.

Thinks changed for me about 2000 or so when I had to move for radio work outside PA. I gave up my uucp etc. setup. I did resetup that box to do some stuff via Hamster for awhile. Then I pulled the plug on everything non Linux, for good.

I'd love to see a phoneix of Gigo on Linux, and I'd test it out, I think Fido, FTN/UseNet/Email gating is till a useful thing. Even if the little whippersnappers don't see the big pixture!

My lab notes for testing have things like FD, BGFAX under DOSBox on the list, I
just have so many things going on right now the list never seems to shrink!

Rick


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On 2018 Jan 16 10:42:00, you wrote to me:

do you want a copy? i can fire one off to you...

Might be handy to have on file, I'll take a copy thanks. :)

check your inbound... if i'm reading the log correctly, it arrived 2018 Jan 16 at 19:53 +1100 ;)

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On 2018 Jan 15 21:56:20, you wrote to me:

do you want a copy? i can fire one off to you...

I'd like a copy, at least for archival purposes, please.

done... check your inbound... it should have landed in fla about 0358 -0500 ;)

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Rick Christian wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

FD had a nice setup screen, status screen, and there was more it to a
the time,
which I don't recall all the details. Alot of it had to do with actual operation of the queue(s) etc, but that is a rough recolection at best.

Bink was more text driven. I did pretty up its status screen with some
olours.

especially in the earlier days, when I was running 2400 bps. Was interesting seeing bot RxD and Txd lights on continuously. :)

Well I had what Bell of PA at that time called Metro Service, basically
I could
call most of the 412 area code prior to the NPA split, for
$35-40/month. Slurp
as much as I needed.

My transfers were local, but they were fairly large for the day, so the bidirectional protocol was a huge time saver. I'v be like "Cool, this system runs Bink, or "Damn, it's FD, slower transfers! :D

I was a big fan of GIGO at the time. :)

I got hooked into the beta testing of it early on, and it was like FD
it worked
better than what was the big work horse of this at the time, I think UFGATE??
GIGO was just awesome. I had to be doing this on something for awhile before GIGO came along..hmmm.. I had a uucp account with Telerama for a long time. Matter of fact I think I was like one of the last few they
were allowing to keep the damn things! I 'd love to see the code of
this revived for Linux. It won't be me as a I don't touch C.

I loved GIGO, it did almost everything, but not quite. It wasn't built to gate netmail from multiple zones, but a handy utility called NetMgr did some fancy rewriting, creating virtual addresses in each othernet for my gateway. It won't be me that works on GIGO either, I also stay away from C, never really learned it. :(

Yeah, all are dead, as are the [amateur|Part 97] packet radio to
FTN
gating
systems
that were around in the 90s. :(

Really?? None of those survived? Hmm I would have thought some of that stuff in the packet world of Amateur radio would continue on. I never
got into that as at that time you still needed 5WPM CW, and my brain
just didn't then and doesn't know work for CW. I moved on to build much bigger radios sytems in numerous states.

Packet survived, but not the gateways to Fidonet.

I'd love to see a phoneix of Gigo on Linux, and I'd test it out, I
think Fido, FTN/UseNet/Email gating is till a useful thing. Even if the little whippersnappers don't see the big pixture!

I would love to see GIGO come back too. Linux would be my platform of choice as well, since that's what I base my servers on. Syncronet has some cool capabilities, but it doesn't seem to be able to gate email like GIGO could.

My lab notes for testing have things like FD, BGFAX under DOSBox on the list, I
just have so many things going on right now the list never seems to shrink!

Sounds like all of my todo lists. :D


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mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

On 2018 Jan 16 10:42:00, you wrote to me:

do you want a copy? i can fire one off to you...

Might be handy to have on file, I'll take a copy thanks. :)

check your inbound... if i'm reading the log correctly, it arrived 2018 Jan 16 at 19:53 +1100 ;)

Thanks, will check. I was out.


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Hello Tony!

16 Jan 18 21:52, you wrote to me:

Bink was more text driven. I did pretty up its status screen with
some olours.

Like I said things have been lost in time on exactly why, but a lot of had to do with FD just making sense to me.

especially in the earlier days, when I was running 2400 bps. Was
interesting seeing bot RxD and Txd lights on continuously. :)

My biggest issue back in the day was HST and HST+ crap. I never had any success
with HST/+ nodes ever negotiating down, and personally I think they were set that way.

I had a V.Evertyhing eventually when I got it cheapo... but I think it got lost
in one of the many moves later after modems were not in need, other than ICLID
or fax.

If I ever get the chance I might dig through the shed and toes.. there should be some Telebits in there too!

Wasn't there something that allowed for that, like Hydra??? Or something. I remember having some bidirectional protocols available for things, but maybe that was stuff I added to Terminate, Telemat, and ProComm...

My transfers were local, but they were fairly large for the day, so
the bidirectional protocol was a huge time saver. I'v be like "Cool,
this system runs Bink, or "Damn, it's FD, slower transfers! :D

My reaction was like that for HST nodes, as per above, I really thing they were
intentionaly misconfigured to block the V.34 etc stuff at the time.

Much like FD or Bink you were either in the USR HST camp or not, and I was not.
I just thought their stuff was overpriced even if you go in on the Sysop deals. I didn't really qualify as I didn't have a BBS, points for a few buddies
and some things, but it was not a public BBS so no dice, but I had issues USR at the time.

I loved GIGO, it did almost everything, but not quite. It wasn't
built to gate netmail from multiple zones, but a handy utility called NetMgr did some fancy rewriting, creating virtual addresses in each

I used NetMGR too! Had it to do all kinds of things, and one of those was to take the stuff that came in for some things like ML's I was operating that went
in/out via private FTN's. I think I saw a Linux port of this in collecting old
things for Fido for Linux.

othernet for my gateway. It won't be me that works on GIGO either, I
also stay away from C, never really learned it. :(

Me either, C just didn't work for me. Considering I started on COBOL, Fortran, and assembler for a PDP8/e and later 6502, 68HC11's, and some other stuff.

GIGO really would need to be able to work with a standard UseNet account now to
gate UseNet vesus uucp. There are not too many if any uucp places around. I susppose some the ancicent "freenet" things that are still around might offer it.

Sounds like all of my todo lists. :D

The ones at work shrink, but just keep filling up. The ones for my personal stuff never seem to shrink, but only grow and grow and grow. Hmmmm....


Rick


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Rick Christian wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Like I said things have been lost in time on exactly why, but a lot of
had to do with FD just making sense to me.

I think in my case, it was a case of Bink being the first one I got going. From memory, it was free (as in beer), wasn't FD shareware? Secondly, I started playing with Bink and it made sense to me, so I kept using it. And today, it's all come back to me with binkd. :)

especially in the earlier days, when I was running 2400 bps. Was
interesting seeing bot RxD and Txd lights on continuously. :)

My biggest issue back in the day was HST and HST+ crap. I never had any success
with HST/+ nodes ever negotiating down, and personally I think they
were set that way.

I don't remember that issue.

I had a V.Evertyhing eventually when I got it cheapo... but I think it
got lost
in one of the many moves later after modems were not in need, other
than ICLID
or fax.

When I had the BBS, I only got up to 2400, but when a friend took over hosting it, he did eventually upgrade to Courier V.Everything modems. Had no issues.

If I ever get the chance I might dig through the shed and toes.. there should be some Telebits in there too!

Wasn't there something that allowed for that, like Hydra??? Or
something. I remember having some bidirectional protocols available for things, but maybe that was stuff I added to Terminate, Telemat, and ProComm...

Hydra rins a bell. In any case, it was a cool feature of Bink, especially at slower modem speeds or for large volumes of mail.

My transfers were local, but they were fairly large for the day, so
the bidirectional protocol was a huge time saver. I'v be like "Cool,
this system runs Bink, or "Damn, it's FD, slower transfers! :D

My reaction was like that for HST nodes, as per above, I really thing
they were
intentionaly misconfigured to block the V.34 etc stuff at the time.

I'm not sure how much that was an issue over here.

I used NetMGR too! Had it to do all kinds of things, and one of those
was to take the stuff that came in for some things like ML's I was operating that went
in/out via private FTN's. I think I saw a Linux port of this in collecting old
things for Fido for Linux.

Hmm, a Linux port of NetMgr. Might have to look for that. :)

Me either, C just didn't work for me. Considering I started on COBOL, Fortran, and assembler for a PDP8/e and later 6502, 68HC11's, and some other stuff.

I programmed in BASIC, Pascal (generally Turbo Pascal), and various assembly languages, including 8080, 8086, 6809, and even PIC16F84.

GIGO really would need to be able to work with a standard UseNet
account now to
gate UseNet vesus uucp. There are not too many if any uucp places
around. I susppose some the ancicent "freenet" things that are still around might offer it.

I know it was possible to use an SMTP server under OS/2 (there was one that worked with GIGO), and I even managed to get GIGO to work with an old version of MDaemon under 32 bit Windows (I was running NT 4 at the time). I can't recall if I was still gating Usenet at the time, or if it was just email (including gated maiing lists). I know I had to convert from UUCP to SPTP (and NNTP?) when my ISP stopped offering UUCP.

Sounds like all of my todo lists. :D

The ones at work shrink, but just keep filling up. The ones for my personal stuff never seem to shrink, but only grow and grow and grow. Hmmmm....

Know that feeling. ;)


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Hi! Tony,

On 01/18/2018 03:27 PM, you wrote to Rick Christian:

I used NetMGR too! Had it to do all kinds of things, and one of
those was to take the stuff that came in for some things like
ML's I was operating that went in/out via private FTN's. I
think I saw a Linux port of this in collecting old things
for Fido for Linux.

Hmm, a Linux port of NetMgr. Might have to look for that. :)

Checkout the Artware echo. Andrew Clarke has a later version on a SVN server.

Be warned: it currently doesn't do JAM netmail areas, or at least, not in a way
that you might expect. Yes, I found out the hard way. ;-)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Tony!

18 Jan 18 15:27, you wrote to me:

Hmm, a Linux port of NetMgr. Might have to look for that. :)

In the ARTWARE echo, there is a thread about Setp. 2016 from me about it;

basically:

sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion

then:

svn co svn://svn.ozzmosis.com/netmgr
cd netmgr
make

I seem to remember building this at the time, but hmmm damn if I can find it...
I am pretty sure I did... its just hiding in one of my testing VM's...

But the bug in re JAM would be an issue right now. If I could go back to Hudson
MSGBases, but I not famillar with a Hudson LINUX tosser, and I used FMail back
in the day.

I know there has been a lot of begging for an FMail port to linux, but its still winslobber only as far I as know, unless I got things back under DOSBox or something.


Rick


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Hello Tony!

18 Jan 18 15:27, you wrote to me:

I think in my case, it was a case of Bink being the first one I got
going. From memory, it was free (as in beer),

I only use free in terms of no cost. I never went or will go along with the silliness that a certain Linux group misueses words.

wasn't FD shareware?

FD was/is shareware. I don't remember the what if any limit there was.. If anythin I recall a commercial BBS needed a license, I had no BBS, and no commercial operations. My company only provide a home, power, and phone lines. :) FD worked for me

Secondly, I started playing with Bink and it made sense to me, so I
kept using it. And today, it's all come back to me with binkd. :)

I only ever used FD, and Terminate for a couple points that I needed to keep simple.

Bink just makes no sense then or now.

I don't remember that issue.

I do alot with BBS's that were HST/HST+ and they wouldn't connect for Terminate
or Telemate or anything, or FIDO. I had a couple I had to route to their NC or
HUB to send stuff to.

When I had the BBS, I only got up to 2400, but when a friend took over hosting it, he did eventually upgrade to Courier V.Everything modems.
Had no issues.

These issues seemed to show up starting when the 14.4 and 28.8 stuff. Although I had a 33.6 external no name clone that did seem to work better than Zoom and other name band stuff. The biggest issue was making sure to get hardware modems, which is one reason I stuck to externals mostly, and I like blinken lights! :) ;) Made for great ambiance lighting! :) ;)

Hydra rins a bell. In any case, it was a cool feature of Bink,
especially at slower modem speeds or for large volumes of mail.

There were a couple of improvements via external protocols Hydra and something else is in the back of my mind, can't think of it though.

I programmed in BASIC, Pascal (generally Turbo Pascal), and various assembly languages, including 8080, 8086, 6809, and even PIC16F84.

In a time long long ago. I started with BASIC on various things from VAX/VMS to
PDP's to Atari 4|800's to some CP/M based things. The PDP needed assembler to do some things, and that progressed into similar on various other chips. My EE project needed 68HC11 software, I had this really whizo emulator that I could do all kinds of things to create my software way quicker than those that had to
play with the actual testbed boards. I did PASCAL for my CIS class language as
I had TP and, again could do it all at home versus fighting for terminal time or calling into the mainframe. I just had to provide full source and with the binary.

I know it was possible to use an SMTP server under OS/2 (there was one that worked with GIGO), and I even managed to get GIGO to work with an
old version of MDaemon under 32 bit Windows (I was running NT 4 at the time). I can't recall if I was still gating Usenet at the time, or if
it was just email (including gated maiing lists). I know I had to
convert from UUCP to SPTP (and NNTP?) when my ISP stopped offering
UUCP.

I am not sure what GIGO did on OS/2, I never touched it. I only begrundignly used stuff passed DOS, as I was forced to. I needed an ICLID program and to get
the one I needed, it needed win 3.1. Then I needed network stuff so I got Wfwg. I ran that well into 90's. I probably was one of the last still running 10Base2. I even had this cute little hub that would take 10B2 and split to 10Base5 or Cat5 like today. I ran that well into 2000-2001. Ain't broke, don't break it! I even packed it all up 3 times and reset it up! I was limited to ISDN well into 2000's by location.

Anyway. GIGO would definitely need to use SMTP and NNTP user accounts or full NNTP accounts, but a standard NNTP account from say NewDemon or something would
be the prefered route. There might be a few uucp places out there, but I've not had an actual modem on things in years. The AIO on the network does it all now.

Rick


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Hello Tony!

18 Jan 18 15:27, you wrote to me:

Hmm, a Linux port of NetMgr. Might have to look for that. :)

After going back over my notes, found those, the binary is still MIA...

This port needs a supporting lib for dependency XMSGAPI

So to get it to build:

You should run "sudo apt-get build-essential subversion" if you haven't already, then:

svn co svn://svn.ozzmosis.com/xmsgapi
cd xmsgapi/unix/gnu-c/
make
cd ../../..
svn co svn://svn.ozzmosis.com/netmgr
cd netmgr
make

Based on my notes, this seems to be something I tried, missing the key XMSGAPI thing, and then got info on how to get it compile. So I must of compiled it. I vageuly remember doing it, and thining SWEET.. Check that off the list... but the list is long! :) :( ;)


I probably can send a binary for *buntu 14.04, possibly 16.04 if I can which of
the VM's I put it into build.


Rick


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Hi Rick,

On 2018-01-18 15:25:57, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

I know there has been a lot of begging for an FMail port to linux, but
its still winslobber only as far I as know, unless I got things back
under DOSBox or something.

It's a work in progress. The modules fmail and ftools are already completely ported (look at my TID kludge). Only the FSetup program still needs to be converted to a linux native version. So you need to use a virtual windows or maybe wine to configure FMail under linux...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Rick Christian wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion

then:

svn co svn://svn.ozzmosis.com/netmgr
cd netmgr
make

Hmm, there must be another dependency, as I get an error:

$ make
cc -c -W -Wall -g -I../xmsgapi/src -funsigned-char -DUNIX akamatch.c
In file included from port.h:8:0,
from akamatch.c:8:
strlist.h:4:20: fatal error: msgapi.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.
Makefile:15: recipe for target 'akamatch.o' failed
make: *** [akamatch.o] Error 1

Looks like there's some library for handling FTN messages needed, going by that error message.

I seem to remember building this at the time, but hmmm damn if I can
find it...
I am pretty sure I did... its just hiding in one of my testing VM's...

But the bug in re JAM would be an issue right now. If I could go back
to Hudson
MSGBases, but I not famillar with a Hudson LINUX tosser, and I used
FMail back
in the day.

I know there has been a lot of begging for an FMail port to linux, but
its still winslobber only as far I as know, unless I got things back
under DOSBox or something.

I used to run both Fmail and Fastecho (at different times) back in the day. But I remember using Netmgr on *.msg netmails, rather than directly from the messagebase. In my case, a lot of the netmail I processed was in transit from GIGO to other FTN systems besides mine. Sure, I ran Hudson for netmail (had no choice back then) and JAM for almost all of my echomail, but the format of netmail storage was a moot point, IIRC, because I did my processing at an intermediate stage.


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Rick Christian wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I only use free in terms of no cost. I never went or will go along with the silliness that a certain Linux group misueses words.

Have to be clear. :)

wasn't FD shareware?

FD was/is shareware. I don't remember the what if any limit there was..
If anythin I recall a commercial BBS needed a license, I had no BBS,
and no commercial operations. My company only provide a home, power,
and phone lines. :) FD worked for me

Yeah, I thought FD was shareware, but I don't recall the specifics of the licence either.

I only ever used FD, and Terminate for a couple points that I needed to keep simple.

Bink just makes no sense then or now.

Opposite for me. :) Bink just seemed to work with my head. :)

I don't remember that issue.

I do alot with BBS's that were HST/HST+ and they wouldn't connect for Terminate
or Telemate or anything, or FIDO. I had a couple I had to route to
their NC or
HUB to send stuff to.

Never had any of those issues down here. The main BBS used to have links all over the place, several international, without issues.

These issues seemed to show up starting when the 14.4 and 28.8 stuff. Although I had a 33.6 external no name clone that did seem to work
better than Zoom and other name band stuff. The biggest issue was
making sure to get hardware modems, which is one reason I stuck to externals mostly, and I like blinken lights! :) ;) Made for great
ambiance lighting! :) ;)

Yes, hardware modems were a must. The "Winmodems" were a pain, and external modems were the safest way to ensure one had a suitable modem. And yes, blinkenlighten are awesome! :D By the time winmodems became prevalent, my dominant OSs were Linux and OS/2, so I was very particular about having a hardware modem.

I programmed in BASIC, Pascal (generally Turbo Pascal), and various assembly languages, including 8080, 8086, 6809, and even PIC16F84.

In a time long long ago. I started with BASIC on various things from VAX/VMS to
PDP's to Atari 4|800's to some CP/M based things. The PDP needed assembler to do some things, and that progressed into similar on
various other chips. My EE project needed 68HC11 software, I had this really whizo emulator that I could do all kinds of things to create my software way quicker than those that had to
play with the actual testbed boards. I did PASCAL for my CIS class language as
I had TP and, again could do it all at home versus fighting for
terminal time or calling into the mainframe. I just had to provide full source and with the binary.

I started with various BASIC dialects on microcomputers, both Applesoft (on Apple IIs) and other dialects on various Z80 based micros. I did dabble in very small amounts of Z80 assembler then, but I did a fair bit more assembler at university, mostly on the 8086 (various PC clones), but did do 6809. The 6809 emulator was on one of the engineering mainframes. I loved 6809 assembler, it made a lot more sense to me than 8086 (eww segment registers!) or 8080/Z80. PIC has an addressing quirk not unlike segmentation, where you have to switch address spaces fo

I am not sure what GIGO did on OS/2, I never touched it. I only begrundignly used stuff passed DOS, as I was forced to. I needed an

Yeah, there was a server that was built for GIGO that ran on OS/2, worked quite well. I'd probably do things differently, need some more SMTP "smarts" to deal with spam these days. The way GIGO worked was that GIGO generated all of the bounce messages, which means generating "backscatter" for the forged spam that's around now. I'd like to have a SMTP server than knows the valid users, so it can reject obvious spam during the session, and also have the other anti spam tools available.

ICLID program and to get
the one I needed, it needed win 3.1. Then I needed network stuff so I
got Wfwg. I ran that well into 90's. I probably was one of the last
still running 10Base2. I even had this cute little hub that would take 10B2 and split to 10Base5 or Cat5 like today. I ran that well into 2000-2001. Ain't broke, don't break it! I even packed it all up 3 times and reset it up! I was limited to ISDN well into 2000's by location.

For a while, I was able to use work "hand me downs", as work upgraded from 10Base2 to 10BaseT hubs, then to 100Mbps switches over the years. My first LAN was 3 PCs linked by coax. :)

Anyway. GIGO would definitely need to use SMTP and NNTP user accounts
or full NNTP accounts, but a standard NNTP account from say NewDemon or something would
be the prefered route. There might be a few uucp places out there, but I've not had an actual modem on things in years. The AIO on the network does it all now.

Yeah I haven't used a real modem for close to 10 years myself, actually might be even longer. Still got plenty in the shed - more from work when they decomissioned their dialin servers.


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Rick Christian wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hello Tony!

18 Jan 18 15:27, you wrote to me:

Hmm, a Linux port of NetMgr. Might have to look for that. :)

After going back over my notes, found those, the binary is still MIA...

This port needs a supporting lib for dependency XMSGAPI

So to get it to build:

You should run "sudo apt-get build-essential subversion" if you haven't already, then:

I pretty much always have build-essential on my systems! Just had to add Subversion (more likely to use CVS or Git these days to access code).

svn co svn://svn.ozzmosis.com/xmsgapi
cd xmsgapi/unix/gnu-c/
make

That'd be what I'm looking for! :)

cd ../../..
svn co svn://svn.ozzmosis.com/netmgr
cd netmgr
make

Worked this time. :)

Based on my notes, this seems to be something I tried, missing the key XMSGAPI thing, and then got info on how to get it compile. So I must of compiled it. I vageuly remember doing it, and thining SWEET.. Check
that off the list... but the list is long! :) :( ;)

Yep, the xmsgapi package made the difference, netmgr compiled and seems to run.

I probably can send a binary for *buntu 14.04, possibly 16.04 if I can which of
the VM's I put it into build.

No need, but I now have a binary for the Pi. :)


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Hi! Tony,

On 20 Jan 18 09:08, you wrote to Rick Christian:

I probably can send a binary for *buntu 14.04, possibly 16.04 if
I can which of the VM's I put it into build.

No need, but I now have a binary for the Pi. :)

Did you read the compile notes? JAM areas will not be accessed by Netmgr in the way they should be. OTOH, prove me wrong.

Enjoy. :-D

Cheers,
Paul.

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Paul Quinn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Did you read the compile notes? JAM areas will not be accessed by
Netmgr in the way they should be. OTOH, prove me wrong.

Dunno if I can access *.msg netmails in transit, like the old days.


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Hi! Tony,

On 01/20/2018 06:51 PM, you wrote:

Dunno if I can access *.msg netmails in transit, like the old days.

Most good tossers offer 'before or 'after' toss options to run external tools, before any pack/routing operation. Maybe yours does too?

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Tony!

20 Jan 18 18:51, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

Dunno if I can access *.msg netmails in transit, like the old days.

That depends on if your tosser writes them to *.MSG files, or just directly to the outbound packets for routed netmails.

Andrew

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Paul Quinn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hi! Tony,

On 01/20/2018 06:51 PM, you wrote:

Dunno if I can access *.msg netmails in transit, like the old days.

Most good tossers offer 'before or 'after' toss options to run external tools, before any pack/routing operation. Maybe yours does too?

Quite possibly, have to RTFM. :D


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Andrew Leary wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hello Tony!

20 Jan 18 18:51, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

Dunno if I can access *.msg netmails in transit, like the old days.

That depends on if your tosser writes them to *.MSG files, or just directly to the outbound packets for routed netmails.

Yeah, normally everything goes straight to outbound, but I'll have to check the docs to see if it's possible to stop at *.MSG for external processing, then later continue with another operation.


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Hello Wilfred!

19 Jan 18 08:53, you wrote to me:

It's a work in progress.

Thanks. I will wait. I've waited, what 20 years... :) ;)

The modules fmail and ftools are already
completely ported (look at my TID kludge). Only the FSetup program
still needs to be converted to a linux native version. So you need to
use a virtual windows

Nope, don't touch that thing with a 100000000000000000000000000000000 mile pole. Linux, BSD, Unix, VAX/VMS, S3|400, z/OS, z/VM, bring it on.

I don't do windows!

or maybe wine to configure FMail under linux...

Nope, definitely won't touch that either. Bringing in unsecure API's which might be attack vectors for malicious programs, not a choice.

I prefer native 100% Linux, only. Thanks.


Rick


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Hello Tony!

20 Jan 18 09:08, you wrote to me:

No need, but I now have a binary for the Pi. :)

You did this on a Pi?

Hmmm.. I thought about that. Its on that list... :)


Rick


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Hello Paul!

18 Jan 18 17:55, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

Be warned: it currently doesn't do JAM netmail areas, or at least, not
in a way that you might expect. Yes, I found out the hard way. ;-)

Is the issue just JAM ** NETMAIL ** areas or ALL JAM msgbases systems including
echo?

I've always used MSG for Netmail, and some other things verus x message base be
it JAM or Hudson, which I used in the past.


Rick


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Hi! Rick,

On 21 Jan 18 16:37, you wrote to me:

Be warned: it currently doesn't do JAM netmail areas, or at
least, not in a way that you might expect. Yes, I found out the
hard way. ;-)

Is the issue just JAM ** NETMAIL ** areas or ALL JAM msgbases systems including echo?

I only use Netmgr on netmail areas. The /SVN/xmsgapi/doc notes that...

---===[ * * * ]===---
This is the first release of XMSGAPI. Some new bugs may be introduced.
SDM support has not been tested thoroughly.

This library is based on smapi-2.2, however the code has been cleaned
up, modified, and ported to a number of additional compilers. Note that
due to unresolved bugs and/or incomplete code in api_jam.c, JAM support
is currently not compiled into the library by default. Also, it is not
yet possible to generate a DLL of the XMSGAPI. These issues may be
corrected in a future release.
---===[ * * * ]===---

I can tell you after having used it, that netmgr will carry out copy/move actions to a JAM nemail 'definition' but treats it as a directory path. I.e., the resultant netmails end up at the bottom of a tree rooted by an exclamation point, from where the executable was called from.

I've always used MSG for Netmail, and some other things verus x
message base be it JAM or Hudson, which I used in the past.

For over 24 years I have used MSG but have also used what's called a 'secondary' area for my own personal mail, freeing the primary area for junk that has to happen with mailer & tosser software (e.g. areafix, PINGs, etc). It has usually been another MSG area but in recent years I have developed a preference for a JAM area, which can be presented with the JamNNTPd server (of course).

Cheers,
Paul.

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Rick Christian wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hello Tony!

20 Jan 18 09:08, you wrote to me:

No need, but I now have a binary for the Pi. :)

You did this on a Pi?

I compiled it. :)


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Hello Paul!

22 Jan 18 09:52, you wrote to me:

Is the issue just JAM ** NETMAIL ** areas or ALL JAM msgbases
systems including echo?

I only use Netmgr on netmail areas. The /SVN/xmsgapi/doc notes
that...

---===[ * * * ]===---
This is the first release of XMSGAPI. Some new bugs may be
introduced. SDM support has not been tested thoroughly.

Ok, so you are referring to the same point I read I think, when I compiled this. Rings a bell.

So doesn't support JAM period. Fine for what I think I would do with most of this, although looking into FMail/Linux seems to click to after reading this.

But really the point of NetMgr is kind of implicit in its name. NET Manager.

For over 24 years I have used MSG but have also used what's called a 'secondary' area for my own personal mail, freeing the primary area
for junk that has to happen with mailer & tosser software (e.g.
areafix, PINGs, etc). It has usually been another MSG area but in
recent years I have developed a preference for a JAM area, which can
be presented with the JamNNTPd server (of course).

I always used MSG for netmail, personal messages from echos, and a sent mail archive, and let the tosser move things into those areas. I used Hudson at the time for echos.

I am only using JAM for echo right now for JamNNTPD since I hacked some fixes to make it respond correctly to MODE READER commands that most NNTP clients issue before doing things. So instead of 500 and causing a failire, it now responds correctly, and the NNTP client is all happy, does its thing. I setup things exactly like I had it before with MSG areas for netmail, sent, personal,
just seems easier to me.

I really should have imaged the old drives of all that stuff before they got put in a box. Some of that setup info would be handy to have right now.

Rick


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Hello Tony!

20 Jan 18 09:03, you wrote to me:

Have to be clear. :)

If you say free software, that is very clear to me. It is no cost. I am probably one of the few in the Linux arena who doesn't care about source code and/or open source.

I am here for free software, period. I use nVIdia OEM drivers, the community based ones are junk. I use ESXi free, Player free. The Linux VM Love child is junk, has all sorts of problems doing things that VMWare does with out issue, example USB. Nothing but grief and trouble. Or even nested VM ie: Player running ESXi. Why would you do something like that. Its a good way to try things out before putting it to hardware. As a test righ its fine. A certain VM
maker is blocking this on purpose.

All of the above is free, same with the Sun JAVA system. I always used it, and actually I had software that would not run on that stupid IceTea or what ever java thing. I think they rewrote when Sun (Yes I know its oracle, I refuse to accept that!) pushed to merge the junk version and V8. I've not used that piece
of software in a while.


Rick


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