• Testing smartquote

    From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to All on Thu Oct 17 21:43:54 2019

    "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Tommi Koivula on Thu Oct 17 21:44:10 2019
    On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

    "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"


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  • From Oliver Thuns@2:280/464.47 to Tommi Koivula on Thu Oct 17 21:58:55 2019
    On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

    "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    I don't see any major problems with "smartquote" and "def_showto on". I thought "smartquote" is independet from def_show and it should make no difference if def_show is on or off.


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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Oct 18 06:31:34 2019
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 10/18/2019 04:44 AM, you wrote to yourself:

    On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

    "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    Maybe you two should consider meeting in private somewhere. 8-)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/0 to Oliver Thuns on Fri Oct 18 12:24:46 2019
    Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula wrote:

     TK>> On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

     TK>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    I don't see any major problems with "smartquote" and "def_showto on". I thought "smartquote" is independet from def_show and it should make no difference if def_show is on or off.

    Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

    When there is a from line "Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula", smartquote may
    take initials O and K. First name Oliver, last name Koivula.

    I have now both these settings on. Let's see.

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/0 to Paul Quinn on Fri Oct 18 12:26:56 2019

    Hi! Tommi,

    On 10/18/2019 04:44 AM, you wrote to yourself:

     TK>> On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

     TK>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    Maybe you two should consider meeting in private somewhere.  8-)


    You are invited too. :D

    'Tommi

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Oct 18 11:39:54 2019
    Hi Tommi,

    On 2019-10-18 12:24:46, you wrote to Oliver Thuns:

     TK>>> On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

     TK>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    There seem to be some UTF characters infront of the TK>>> in above lines. They weren't in the message you replied to...

    Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

    Indeed. ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Oliver Thuns@2:280/464.47 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Oct 18 11:34:42 2019
    Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula wrote:

     TK>>> On 17.10.2019 21:43, Tommi Koivula wrote:

     TK>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    I don't see any major problems with "smartquote" and "def_showto
    on". I thought "smartquote" is independet from def_show and it
    should make no difference if def_show is on or off.

    Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

    When there is a from line "Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula", smartquote
    may take initials O and K. First name Oliver, last name Koivula.

    I thought it gets the name from the referenced message.

    I have now both these settings on. Let's see.

    Looks good.
    It should strip the whitespaces before the quotes though (if there are more than one)


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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/0 to Oliver Thuns on Fri Oct 18 14:59:40 2019
    On 18.10.2019 11:34, Oliver Thuns - Tommi Koivula wrote:

     TK> I have now both these settings on. Let's see.

    Looks good. It should strip the whitespaces before the quotes though
    (if there are more than one)
    In my opinion it should not modify the message after the user posts it.

    I think it is now a good time to start the weekend and let the smartquote be off. ;)

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/0 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Oct 18 15:00:00 2019
    On 18.10.2019 11:39, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

      TK>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    There seem to be some UTF characters infront of the TK>>> in above lines. They weren't in the message you replied to...

    Ok.. I believe it is not a good idea to let jamnntpd modify utf-8 messages after posting. Or any messages. :)

     TK> Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

    Indeed. ;)

    I think I keep the smartquote off, like I decided a long time ago. :)

    'Tommi

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Oct 18 14:08:41 2019
    Hi Tommi,

    On 2019-10-18 15:00:00, you wrote to me:

      TK>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    There seem to be some UTF characters infront of the TK>>> in above lines.
    They weren't in the message you replied to...

    Ok.. I believe it is not a good idea to let jamnntpd modify utf-8 messages after posting. Or any messages. :)

     TK> Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)

    Indeed. ;)

    I think I keep the smartquote off, like I decided a long time ago. :)

    If you already did for this message, there were still added UTF-8 characters...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Oct 18 15:33:34 2019

    >> TK> Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)
    >>
    >> Indeed. ;)

    TK> I think I keep the smartquote off, like I decided a long time ago. :)

    If you already did for this message, there were still added UTF-8 characters...

    I did. Hmm.. Maybe because these messages are replies to replies to replies....(?)

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Oct 18 14:44:04 2019
    Hi Tommi,

    On 2019-10-18 15:33:34, you wrote to me:

    >> TK> Sometimes it works ok, sometimes it does not. :)
    >>
    >> Indeed. ;)

    TK> I think I keep the smartquote off, like I decided a long time ago.
    :)

    If you already did for this message, there were still added UTF-8
    characters...

    I did. Hmm.. Maybe because these messages are replies to replies to replies....(?)

    No, there were extra...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Oct 18 15:59:26 2019
    On 18.10.19 14:00, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van Velzen wrote:
    On 18.10.2019 11:39, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

      TK>>>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    There seem to be some UTF characters infront of the TK>>> in above
    lines. They weren't in the message you replied to...

    Ok.. I believe it is not a good idea to let jamnntpd modify utf-8 messages after posting. Or any messages. :)

    I never saw these UTF-8 characters in the GoldEd or Thunderbird before, but I see them in Thunderbird's source view now. I wonder why nobody complained before. I hope it can be fixed easily, I really like the smartquote option.

    X-JAM-PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20191018

    Where can I get that version?

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/0 to Oli on Sat Oct 19 08:17:48 2019
    Oli - Tommi Koivula <47@464.280.2> wrote:

    On 18.10.19 14:00, Tommi Koivula -> Wilfred van Velzen wrote:
    TK> On 18.10.2019 11:39, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

    TK>>>>>> "smartquote" seems to work fine only with "def_showto off"

    Ok, It is not the problem with smartquote, it is a "feature" of "def_showto on" and how newsclient uses the From: field. As you can see, this news client thinks your initials are OTK.

    Ok.. I believe it is not a good idea to let jamnntpd modify utf-8
    messages after posting. Or any messages. :)

    I never saw these UTF-8 characters in the GoldEd or Thunderbird before, but I see them in Thunderbird's source view now. I wonder why nobody complained before. I hope it can be fixed easily, I really like the smartquote option.

    If you cannot see the incorrect utf-8 characters, it is hard to complain. ;)

    TK> X-JAM-PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20191018

    Where can I get that version?

    You cant. Well, at least not yet. It is my test version based on smapinntpd 1.1, with known jamnntpd bugs hopefully fixed.

    'Tommi

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  • From Oliver Thuns@2:280/464.47 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Oct 19 08:14:43 2019
    Ok, It is not the problem with smartquote, it is a "feature" of "def_showto on" and how newsclient uses the From: field. As you can
    see, this news client thinks your initials are OTK.

    Which news client supports the FL> quoting style? I only use smartquote, because Thunderbird uses ">" for quotes.

    I never saw these UTF-8 characters in the GoldEd or Thunderbird
    before, but I see them in Thunderbird's source view now. I wonder
    why nobody complained before. I hope it can be fixed easily, I
    really like the smartquote option.

    If you cannot see the incorrect utf-8 characters, it is hard to
    complain. ;)

    Right. I thought if Wilfred saw it, maybe others spotted it too.

    TK> X-JAM-PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20191018

    Where can I get that version?

    You cant. Well, at least not yet. It is my test version based on smapinntpd 1.1, with known jamnntpd bugs hopefully fixed.

    "Release early, release often" ;)

    It's nice that someone is working on smapinntps. Have you added the newer changes from jamnntpd 1.3 too?

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Oliver Thuns on Sat Oct 19 16:21:08 2019

    TK> Ok, It is not the problem with smartquote, it is a "feature" of
    TK> "def_showto on" and how newsclient uses the From: field. As you can
    TK> see, this news client thinks your initials are OTK.

    Which news client supports the FL> quoting style? I only use smartquote, because Thunderbird uses ">" for quotes.

    This Sylpheed supports ftn style quoting, I set up the quote string as "%I> ", and now it is working just fine.

    Also in HotDogEd (Android news reader) it is possible to set the quoting to "FTN". It however won't work ok if "def_showto on" is set in jamnntpd. :(

    TK> If you cannot see the incorrect utf-8 characters, it is hard to
    TK> complain. ;)

    Right. I thought if Wilfred saw it, maybe others spotted it too.

    Well, Wilfred is The Police of Everything FTN related. And I like it! :D

    OTK>> TK> X-JAM-PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20191018
    OTK>>
    OTK>> Where can I get that version?

    TK> You cant. Well, at least not yet. It is my test version based on
    TK> smapinntpd 1.1, with known jamnntpd bugs hopefully fixed.

    "Release early, release often" ;)

    It's nice that someone is working on smapinntps. Have you added the
    newer changes from jamnntpd 1.3 too?

    I think so. But I am no real C programmer, I still have much to learn.

    'Tommi

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Oct 19 18:10:37 2019
    TK> Ok, It is not the problem with smartquote, it is a
    TK> "feature" of "def_showto on" and how newsclient uses the
    TK> From: field. As you can see, this news client thinks your
    TK> initials are OTK.

    Which news client supports the FL> quoting style? I only use smartquote, because Thunderbird uses ">" for quotes.

    This Sylpheed supports ftn style quoting, I set up the quote string
    as "%I> ", and now it is working just fine.

    I've installed Claws Mail (fork of Sylpheed), which has the same feature. It's not really proper FTN style quoting though. For the first reply level it's fine, but then it gets messy


    instead of


    Until there is no dedicated plugin for FTN quotes, smartquote is the best option (IMHO).

    Well, Wilfred is The Police of Everything FTN related. And I like
    it! :D

    I know ;)

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