• smapinntpd

    From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to All on Fri Nov 16 09:21:32 2018

    Testing smapinntpd with native ipv6 support and ssl via stunnel.

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Nov 16 18:05:30 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 11/16/2018 09:21 AM, you wrote to All:

    Testing smapinntpd with native ipv6 support and ssl via stunnel.

    Do you mean this one: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20181115?

    ;)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Paul Quinn on Fri Nov 16 11:05:36 2018
    Paul Quinn <3:640/1384.125> wrote:

    TK> Testing smapinntpd with native ipv6 support and ssl via stunnel.

    Do you mean this one: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20181115?

    How did you know? :D

    Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set "off".

    'Tommi

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Nov 16 19:24:14 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 16 Nov 18 11:05, you wrote to me:

    Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
    "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set "off".

    It's beyond my pay grade too. Through a comedy of errors, I have only a single functioning Thunderbird and that's the one: version 31.4 on my netbook, since any later models fuck up in some way or another. Or, I haven't bothered to install one. If I do, it will be an older version.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Paranoid: Someone who just figured out what's going on.
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Paul Quinn on Fri Nov 16 12:03:12 2018

    TK> Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
    TK> "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set
    TK> "off".

    It's beyond my pay grade too. Through a comedy of errors, I have only a single functioning Thunderbird and that's the one: version 31.4 on my netbook, since any later models fuck up in some way or another. Or, I haven't bothered to install one. If I do, it will be an older version.

    Somehow I think that TB is trying to be too smart and may look for anything between "(" and ")"... Including the origin line. Dunno.. :)

    Sylpheed is quite nice for reading newsgroups. It's available for linux as well as windows.

    'Tommi

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    * Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)
  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Nov 16 20:34:41 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 16 Nov 18 12:03, you wrote to me:

    Sylpheed is quite nice for reading newsgroups. It's available for
    linux as well as windows.
    --- Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)

    Kewl. :) I only 'do' Fidonet groups. OTOH, I do need to put something back on my other desktop PC for email, so I'll double-check Sylpheed first. Thank you.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Freddie, we miss you all the time...
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Nov 16 06:18:38 2018

    On 2018 Nov 16 09:21:32, you wrote to All:

    @MSGID: 2:221/360 5bee6ffa
    @PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux-Pi/IPv6 1.3 20181115
    @CHRS: IBMPC 2
    @TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2018-09-09

    Testing smapinntpd with native ipv6 support and ssl via stunnel.

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    SEEN-BY: 221/0 1 6 360 280/464 5555 320/219 640/305 1384 3634/12 123/25 150
    SEEN-BY: 123/755 135/300 153/7715 154/10 261/38 3634/15 27 50 119 123/50 SEEN-BY: 3634/12 0 18/0 123/0 1/120
    @PATH: 221/0 640/1384 3634/12



    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Nov 16 06:19:02 2018

    On 2018 Nov 16 11:05:36, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

    Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
    "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set "off".

    it is because they are enforcing the internet email format user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format that was working out of luck...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to mark lewis on Fri Nov 16 13:48:56 2018
    "mark lewis -> Tommi Koivula" <1:3634/12.73>:

    Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set "off".

    it is because they are enforcing the internet email format user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format that
    was working out of luck...

    I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

    'Tommi

    --- Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)
    * Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)
  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 09:35:47 2018
    On 16/11/2018 21:48, Tommi Koivula -> mark lewis wrote:

    it is because they are enforcing the internet email format
    user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format that
    was working out of luck...

    I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to
    smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.


    Your message appeared to have originated from "test" instead of a FTN address in this version of TB (31.8 on Win7).

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    Regards
    David

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to David Drummond on Sat Nov 17 10:20:52 2018
    On 17.11.2018 11:35, 3640/305 wrote:
    From David Drummond To Tommi Koivula

    Your message appeared to have originated from "test" instead of a FTN address in this version of TB (31.8 on Win7).

    Yes. I found out that if there is something in REPLYADDR, Thunderbird
    shows the from line ok.

    In this message there should be "123" as my email address.

    Now using TB v60.

    'Tommi

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 19:11:30 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 11/17/2018 06:20 PM, you wrote to David Drummond:

    On 17.11.2018 11:35, 3640/305 wrote:
    From David Drummond To Tommi Koivula

    Your message appeared to have originated from "test" instead of a FTN
    address in this version of TB (31.8 on Win7).

    Yes. I found out that if there is something in REPLYADDR, Thunderbird shows the from line ok.

    In this message there should be "123" as my email address.

    Now using TB v60.

    Ooh... mmmm...

    (Note that I have quoted your 'quote' line to David. Your 'From' line also read "Tommi Koivula -> David Drummond<123>".)

    Are you using a JAM messagebase? It's just it's hard to tell since you're using SMAPI. Johan specifically states that any REPLYADDR magic formatting works in conjunction with JAM messagebase.

    Whenever I had a choice in any/every JamNNTPd configuration I've always turned the REPLYADDR option off (i.e. disabled).

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Paul Quinn on Sat Nov 17 11:36:10 2018

     TK>> Yes. I found out that if there is something in REPLYADDR, Thunderbird
     TK>> shows the from line ok.

     TK>> In this message there should be "123" as my email address.

     TK>> Now using TB v60.

    Ooh... mmmm...

    Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this
    Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

    (Note that I have quoted your 'quote' line to David.  Your 'From' line also read "Tommi Koivula -> David Drummond<123>".)

    Are you using a JAM messagebase?

    Mostly yes. But I see no difference in this matter with squish bases.

    It's just it's hard to tell since
    you're using SMAPI.  Johan specifically states that any REPLYADDR magic formatting works in conjunction with JAM messagebase.

    Hmm.. Ok..

    Whenever I had a choice in any/every JamNNTPd configuration I've always turned the REPLYADDR option off (i.e. disabled).

    Previously that was my choice too. At least with my JamNNTPD in OS/2.

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 11:40:44 2018

    Ooh... mmmm...

    Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

    And it shows fine:

    "Tommi Koivula -> Paul Quinn <2:221/360.9999>"

    Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)

    'Tommi

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 20:01:05 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 17 Nov 18 11:36, you wrote to me:

    Ooh... mmmm...
    Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

    Yeah, but you do have a UUCP gateway at your back. :) Fortunately a netmail reply from goldEd wanted to work, to your ~/10 address.

    It's just it's hard to tell since you're using SMAPI.  Johan
    specifically states that anyREPLYADDR magic formatting works in
    conjunction with JAM messagebase.

    (In the readme file.)

    Hmm.. Ok..

    Johan also stated that SMAPI was an experiment. Look Ma, no hands!

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Paul Quinn on Sat Nov 17 12:37:58 2018

    From Paul Quinn To Tommi Koivula

    Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this
    Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

    Yeah, but you do have a UUCP gateway at your back. :)

    That helps, yes. :)

    Replies from echomail newsgroup to netmail newsgroup doesn't work right
    now.

    Johan also stated that SMAPI was an experiment. Look Ma, no hands!

    Experiment that works quite fine. :)

    'Tommi

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 20:09:52 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 17 Nov 18 11:40, you wrote to yourself:

    @MSGID: 2:221/10.0 5befe218
    @REPLY: 2:221/10.0 5befe10a
    @PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 1.3 20181115
    @REPLYADDR "2:221/360.9999"
    @CHRS: UTF-8 2
    @TZUTC: 0200
    @TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2018-09-09

    Ooh... mmmm...

    Indeed.. Now my email address is set to "2:221/360.9999" in this
    Thunderbird 60.3.1. :)

    And it shows fine:

    "Tommi Koivula -> Paul Quinn <2:221/360.9999>"

    Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)

    * Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

    That is sick. Do I need an account there too? ;-)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Paul Quinn on Sat Nov 17 12:47:38 2018
    Hi Paul.

    17 Nov 18 20:09, you wrote to me:

    Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)

    * Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)

    That is sick. Do I need an account there too? ;-)

    All the accounts from my Jamnntpd should work!

    'Tommi

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 20:52:02 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 17 Nov 18 12:37, you wrote to me:

    Replies from echomail newsgroup to netmail newsgroup doesn't work
    right now.

    I'll try that tomorrow AM, as I swish away breakfast bread or chocolate crumbs in bed sheets. :)

    Johan also stated that SMAPI was an experiment. Look Ma, no
    hands!
    Experiment that works quite fine. :)

    Yes, agreed. I did test drive it once... a decade ago?? Mmm... the messages are probably in this echo... yeah, I was dabbling with it in April 2006.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 21:00:10 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 17 Nov 18 12:47, you wrote to me:

    Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)
    That is sick. Do I need an account there too? ;-)

    All the accounts from my Jamnntpd should work!

    I was just foolin'. The order of the 'From' line data in the newsgroup is illogical, though not your fault.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Sure when... OINK FLAP. OINK FLAP. Well, I'll be damned...
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Paul Quinn on Sat Nov 17 13:18:52 2018
    Hi Paul.

    Maybe a faked REPLYADDR should fix this... Hmm... :)
    That is sick. Do I need an account there too? ;-)

    All the accounts from my Jamnntpd should work!

    I was just foolin'. The order of the 'From' line data in the newsgroup
    is illogical, though not your fault.

    Well, you _are_ upsidedown... ;-)

    'Tommi

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 21:48:14 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 17 Nov 18 13:18, you wrote to me:

    I was just foolin'. The order of the 'From' line data in the
    newsgroup is illogical, though not your fault.

    Well, you _are_ upsidedown... ;-)

    That's just one of our super powers.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... All right, who's been turning my messages into taglines?
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 17 11:43:14 2018

    On 2018 Nov 16 13:48:56, you wrote to me:

    Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
    "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set
    "off".

    it is because they are enforcing the internet email format
    user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format
    that was working out of luck...

    I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to
    smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

    AIUI, the format must be a valid email address format... i don't know and cannot check since i do not run jamnntpd any more...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Nov 18 07:02:49 2018
    On 17/11/2018 18:20, Tommi Koivula -> David Drummond wrote:

    Your message appeared to have originated from "test" instead of a FTN
    address in this version of TB (31.8 on Win7).

    Yes. I found out that if there is something in REPLYADDR, Thunderbird shows the from line ok.

    In this message there should be "123" as my email address.

    It does indeed.

    :)

    --

    Regards
    David

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0
    * Origin: Bucca, Qld, Australia (3:640/305)
  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Paul Quinn on Sun Nov 18 07:06:58 2018
    On 17/11/2018 21:48, Paul Quinn -> Tommi Koivula wrote:
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 17 Nov 18 13:18, you wrote to me:

    I was just foolin'. The order of the 'From' line data in the
    newsgroup is illogical, though not your fault.

    Well, you _are_ upsidedown... ;-)

    That's just one of our super powers.

    We have super powers???

    Or is it just you (and a royal we)?

    --

    Regards
    David

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to David Drummond on Sun Nov 18 08:19:44 2018
    Hi! David,

    On 11/18/2018 07:06 AM, you wrote:

    Well, you _are_ upsidedown... ;-)
    That's just one of our super powers.

    We have super powers???

    Or is it just you (and a royal we)?

    Egalitarian.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to mark lewis on Sun Nov 18 09:40:32 2018

    it is because they are enforcing the internet email format
    user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet format
    that was working out of luck...

    I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to
    smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

    AIUI, the format must be a valid email address format...

    That is not true. REPLYADDR may contain anything, including a valid
    fidonet address, and it shows ok in the new TB.

    Like "From: "Tommi Koivula -> Paul Quinn" <"2:221/360.9999">"

    i don't know and cannot check since i do not run jamnntpd any more...

    Bad for you. B)

    'Tommi

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Nov 18 16:11:22 2018

    On 2018 Nov 18 09:40:32, you wrote to me:


    it is because they are enforcing the internet email format
    user@host.domain... they simply do not recognise the fidonet
    format that was working out of luck...

    I already tried to apply that "address patch" from jamnntpd to
    smapinntpd. Somehow it seems not to work.

    AIUI, the format must be a valid email address format...

    That is not true.

    i'm talking about on the t-bird side of the fence...

    REPLYADDR may contain anything, including a valid fidonet address, and
    it shows ok in the new TB.

    how is that being set? i only see "noreplyaddr" in jamnntpd.cfg and in my old one, it is commented out so that reply addresses are used...

    Like "From: "Tommi Koivula -> Paul Quinn" <"2:221/360.9999">"

    i don't know and cannot check since i do not run jamnntpd any more...

    Bad for you. B)

    not really... my current solution doesn't crash/hang on me all the time... TTBOMK, other various problems are completely eliminated as well... especially things like the problems that arise when purging and renumbering areas or even just having areas locked while maint or tossing is being done ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Mon Nov 19 08:18:54 2018


    AIUI, the format must be a valid email address format...

    That is not true.

    i'm talking about on the t-bird side of the fence...

    So do I. That's where my investigation started this time. I dont know
    exactly where smapinntpd finds the 'from thing', but if REPLYADDR is
    present it seems to be used. And it can be (almost?) anything, like in
    this message, and TB shows the From line ok.

    Most ftn messages dont have this REPLYADDR kludge, so I was thinking
    about presenting something for nntp readers.

    not really... my current solution doesn't crash/hang on me all the
    time... TTBOMK, other various problems are completely eliminated as well... especially things like the problems that arise when purging and renumbering areas or even just having areas locked while maint or
    tossing is being done ;)

    GEcho/mbutil in my OS/2 system can pack and purge without renumbering.
    Sqpack from Husky renumbers automatically.. But it is really not needed
    to purge with the huge amount of harddisk anymore. ;)

    'Tommi

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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Nov 19 08:10:10 2018
    Hallo Tommi!

    18.11.2018 09:40, Tommi Koivula schrieb an mark lewis:

    * Origin: *** smapinntpd/linux @ news://fidonet.fi *** (2:221/10.0)
    I'm trying to compile smapinntpd for OS/2. Without any success, because of some strange errors around ld.exe.

    Did you ever tried to compile smapinntpd for os/2?

    Bye/2 Torsten

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Torsten Bamberg on Mon Nov 19 09:36:24 2018
    Torsten Bamberg <2:240/5832> wrote:

    I'm trying to compile smapinntpd for OS/2. Without any success, because
    of some strange errors around ld.exe.

    Did you ever tried to compile smapinntpd for os/2?

    I tried but no success here either. :(

    'Tommi

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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Nov 19 18:35:51 2018
    Hallo Tommi!

    19.11.2018 09:36, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

    Did you ever tried to compile smapinntpd for os/2?
    I tried but no success here either. :(
    Thanks for the information. Because of this, I have to take a look into the source code. I think, some very old husky smapi was used to compile.
    It would be nice, to have smapinntp working on OS/2 EcS as well. :-)

    'Tommi
    Bye/2 Torsten

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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Nov 19 23:47:08 2018
    Hallo Tommi!

    19.11.2018 09:36, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

    Did you ever tried to compile smapinntpd for os/2?
    I tried but no success here either. :(
    Well... it works, not full configured, but the first test is successful. :-)

    =##= Anfang "smapinntpd.log" =##=
    19-Nov-18 23:38:56 SmapiNNTPd/2 1.1 is running on port 5000
    19-Nov-18 23:38:56 Compiled Nov 19 2018 23:19:02
    19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Connection established to 192.168.0.55 19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Failed to open JAM messagebase "e:\dbahn\msg\netmail\NETMAIL"
    19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Connection closed
    19-Nov-18 23:46:08 SmapiNNTPd/2 exited
    =##= Ende "smapinntpd.log" =##=


    'Tommi
    Bye/2 Torsten

    ... MAILBOX01: up 2d 17h 54m load: 34 proc, 135 threads (tbupv1.0)
    --- GoldED+ 1.1.5-18
    * Origin: DatenBahn BBS Hamburg (2:240/5832)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 20 08:47:46 2018
    Hello,

    On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:24:14 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Tommi Koivula wrote:

     TK>> Anyways, I'm still wondering why the latest Thunderbirds mess the
     TK>> "from" line... It is not the " -> ", because "def_showto" can be set
     TK>> "off".

    It's beyond my pay grade too.  Through a comedy of errors, I have only a single functioning Thunderbird and that's the one: version 31.4 on my netbook, since any later models fuck up in some way or another.  Or, I haven't bothered to install one.  If I do, it will be an older version.

    60.3.1 here, unless something messes up on it's way out of here it seems to be working fine.

    Oh, and long time no see. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Nov 21 07:21:28 2018
    Hi! Nick,

    On 11/21/2018 12:47 AM, you wrote:

    60.3.1 here, unless something messes up on it's way out of here it seems to be working fine.

    Mine...
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0

    Yours...
    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60

    Same/similar base code, mostly. Does yours 'shoot around corners' (quote from a 'Robin Hood' movie [not the one you're thinking of]) or will it make my coffee? I am unexcited at the prospect of more code bloat when the one I have does my Fidonet NNTP and basic email.

    Oh, and long time no see. ;)

    A lot of water under the bridge, for sure. Much happenings behind the scenes here, with disasters & disappointments. I am unhappy with my main node's plight with its tosser. I cannot find a decent replacement that's not attached to a BBS trying to be the Swiss Army Knife answer to a question that nobody really thought to ask.

    Such is life. I need chocolate...

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Torsten Bamberg on Wed Nov 21 12:51:47 2018

    Well... it works, not full configured, but the first test is successful. :-)

    19-Nov-18 23:38:56 SmapiNNTPd/2 1.1 is running on port 5000
    19-Nov-18 23:38:56 Compiled Nov 19 2018 23:19:02
    19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Connection established to 192.168.0.55
    19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Failed to open JAM messagebase "e:\dbahn\msg\netmail\NETMAIL"
    19-Nov-18 23:45:42 (192.168.0.55:50546) Connection closed
    19-Nov-18 23:46:08 SmapiNNTPd/2 exited

    Great news. :-)

    'Tommi

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    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/1)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Paul Quinn on Wed Nov 21 07:42:40 2018
    Hello,

    On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:21:28 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Mine...
     NB>> --- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101
    Thunderbird/31.4.0

    Yours...
     NB>> --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
     NB>> Thunderbird/60

    Same/similar base code, mostly.  Does yours 'shoot around corners'
    (quote from a 'Robin Hood' movie [not the one you're thinking of]) or
    will it make my coffee?  I am unexcited at the prospect of more code bloat when the one I have does my Fidonet NNTP and basic email.

    I can understand that when working with old(er) hardware. In my case I'm using a fairly newer gaming rig where code bloat really doesn't make any difference in performance, at least humanly noticeable. So as long as updates actually work, I have no problem updating them.

     NB>> Oh, and long time no see. ;)

    A lot of water under the bridge, for sure.  Much happenings behind the scenes here, with disasters & disappointments.  I am unhappy with my
    main node's plight with its tosser.  I cannot find a decent replacement that's not attached to a BBS trying to be the Swiss Army Knife answer to
    a question that nobody really thought to ask.

    Why so many disappointments? There's always the turn of cheek method where you can just not look at this stuff for like 10 months like I just did. ;)

    What plights are you having?

    What are you looking for a decent replacement for, or what are you currently using?

    What have you looked at so far? And what did you *not* like about them?

    Such is life.  I need chocolate...

    Seems to do the trick, albeit only temporarily. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Nov 22 10:21:49 2018
    Hi! Nick,

    On 11/21/2018 11:42 PM, you wrote:

    Why so many disappointments? There's always the turn of cheek method
    where you can just not look at this stuff for like 10 months like I just did. ;)

    So did I. For about 12 months.

    What plights are you having?

    Well it started with the demise of my 25 year-old MS-DOS/Windows 98SE system due to an incompatible SVGA adapter driver after a VirtualBox (vBox) *update*, on my 32-bit Xubuntu (X'u) desktop. It works fine on my 8 year-old Dell 64-bit X'u desktop but cannot run with the same 24/7@365 reliability that I require, due to its UPS battery being exhausted. It's too late to bring it back on-line now, and, considering its limited future IAC, it's really a lost cause.

    What are you looking for a decent replacement for, or what are you currently using?

    FMail32/lnx, which requires a Windows 32-bit FMail configuration program. As you may know, FMail is stuck in middle-90s Fidonet DOS think. Its netmail packer/router logic sux megakilos and is limited in basic functionality, so I'm using CF-Route or Crashmail (still), requiring that both of those configurations are updated in parallel with FMail's. The scripting solutions are a wonder of modern DOS-think.

    Now, the maintainer has done the best he can in his own time to make the system work in Linux but there are times where DOS or Linux paths simply do not work with other Fido tools/utilities. Thank the
    'maker' for filebox functionality in modern mailers! However there are times when even that doesn't work. E.g., I once had a netmail delivered fine but the file I was sending went to an AKA of his was delivered in a separate simultaneous session (fortunately, to a different co-located PC I believe).

    What have you looked at so far? And what did you *not* like about them?

    I don't keep a diary. And we both don't really have the time to pick things apart. My operating requirements are a bit tight considering that my current Fidonet vBox server is a 32-bit X'u 14.04 LTS, with 4Gb RAM in the cheapest HP 'junkbox' I could buy. Its OS needs updating by April next year, according to the warning I get when SSH-ing to it... or else. ;)

    I figure the best way to achieve minimum disruption to service is to migrate the Fidonet desktop configuration to a vBox one, and then run it temporarily on the old Dell. You may appreciate that converting such a configuration to a vBox may afford an opportunity to fine-tune the software mix.

    After exhaustive research (both in Fido or on the WWW) and/or thought experiments, I am currently playing with a limited Mystic BBS installation, sufficient to feed the current pseudo-hub cross-up/down echomail links. Trial(s) will begin next week. Frankly, I am unsure of its netmail routing capability or even of its co-operation with a JamNNTPd configuration (/NB/ I know it has its own _but_ do you know if JamNNTPd could work with it?).

    In brief, I have discounted: other DOS vBox arrangements; HPT (based on indirect advice from Tommi); various Windows vBox arrangements; an MBSE config trashed; a theoretical Syncronet/lnx config; or, even an (unknown-capability) hack of SBBSecho (I did make a nice PDF of its Wiki entry too... it looks vaguely familiar and beaut). Plus a -lot- of variations.

    Such is life. I need chocolate...
    Seems to do the trick, albeit only temporarily. ;)

    Apparently it works for astro/cosmo-nauts and antarctic research crews too, with whom I share a similar solitary situation. 8-)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Paul Quinn on Thu Nov 22 11:42:34 2018
    Hello,

    On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 10:21:48 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Well it started with the demise of my 25 year-old MS-DOS/Windows 98SE system due to an incompatible SVGA adapter driver after a VirtualBox (vBox) *update*, on my 32-bit Xubuntu (X'u) desktop.  It works fine on
    my 8 year-old Dell 64-bit X'u desktop but cannot run with the same 24/7@365 reliability that I require, due to its UPS battery being exhausted.  It's too late to bring it back on-line now, and, considering its limited future IAC, it's really a lost cause.

    Do you even have to incorporate your video card into Vbox? I thought you could use their built in drivers..

    FMail32/lnx, which requires a Windows 32-bit FMail configuration program.  As you may know, FMail is stuck in middle-90s Fidonet DOS think.  Its netmail packer/router logic sux megakilos and is limited in basic functionality, so I'm using CF-Route or Crashmail (still),
    requiring that both of those configurations are updated in parallel with FMail's.  The scripting solutions are a wonder of modern DOS-think.

    Bummer. I was hoping Wilfred would have gotten to that by now, but I can see the motivation level has to be pretty high these days to ditch real life and work on software for this hobby. However when it does happen I don't mind testing it. ;)

    I don't keep a diary.  And we both don't really have the time to pick things apart.  My operating requirements are a bit tight considering
    that my current Fidonet vBox server is  a 32-bit X'u 14.04 LTS, with 4Gb RAM in the cheapest HP 'junkbox' I could buy.  Its OS needs updating by April next year, according to the warning I get when SSH-ing to it... or else.  ;)

    About a year ago I picked up a dedicated HP proliant server machine specifically for this stuff. Once everything was setup and the quirks were taken care of, I hadn't had to touch it for months. I'm beginning to wonder if that's the reason I got bored and found other things to do. ;)

    After exhaustive research (both in Fido or on the WWW) and/or thought experiments, I am currently playing with a limited Mystic BBS installation, sufficient to feed the current pseudo-hub cross-up/down echomail links.  Trial(s) will begin next week.  Frankly, I am unsure of its netmail routing capability or even of its co-operation with a
    JamNNTPd configuration (/NB/ I know it has its own _but_ do you know if JamNNTPd could work with it?).

    I believe James had worked out any indifferences in Mystic's JAM message base implementation. That being said, it works with Golded wonderfully, so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to share it's messsage base with JAMNNTPd either. Obviously some settings in Mystic would need to be done like making sure you don't pack or renumber the message bases, but other than that should be good to go.

    In brief, I have discounted: other DOS vBox arrangements; HPT (based on indirect advice from Tommi); various Windows vBox arrangements; an MBSE config trashed; a theoretical Syncronet/lnx config; or, even an (unknown-capability) hack of SBBSecho (I did make a nice PDF of its Wiki entry too... it looks vaguely familiar and beaut).  Plus a -lot- of variations.

    I've used HPT for quite awhile now, and honestly can't think of any major issues besides my own misconfigurations or forgetfulness (for example, adding a route line when a new link is connected, simple things like that) I've ever had with it.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Nicholas Boel on Fri Nov 23 10:05:43 2018
    Hi! Nick,

    On 11/23/2018 03:42 AM, you wrote:

    Do you even have to incorporate your video card into Vbox? I thought you could use their built in drivers..

    For the guest Windows system. The stock Win98se driver would only give 640x480 resolution, maximum. On my two Win98se systems, each was using a different SVGA driver providing 1024x768. Much, much better (I have screen capture videos showing such).

    The wildcat 'beta' type on the Fido vBox got rejected in a recent vBox update, and turned into a roiling blackhole from which nothing radiated... not even light. The other didn't have trouble and still runs great, but I found through early experimentation that it neither will run DOS programs in a window nor full-screen.

    Bummer. I was hoping Wilfred would have gotten to that by now, but I can see the motivation level has to be pretty high these days to ditch real life and work on software for this hobby. However when it does happen I don't mind testing it. ;)

    Yes, I figure a userbase of two. My test system has just passed the 12 month mark, and continues... a Frankenstein-ian entity.

    About a year ago I picked up a dedicated HP proliant server machine specifically for this stuff. Once everything was setup and the quirks
    were taken care of, I hadn't had to touch it for months. I'm beginning
    to wonder if that's the reason I got bored and found other things to do. ;)

    Yes. Tell me about your gaming. Are you doing any ARMA 3? (I'm seriously following the ShackTac boys.) And, am liking the Star Citizen stuff (especially the 'Con' demo vids).

    I believe James had worked out any indifferences in Mystic's JAM message base implementation. That being said, it works with Golded wonderfully,

    Oh yes.

    so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to share it's messsage base with JAMNNTPd either. Obviously some settings in Mystic would need to be done like making sure you don't pack or renumber the message bases, but other than that should be good to go.

    Yes, I'm looking forward to being able to have another server for Björn to advertise. That's something else that FMail failed at.

    I've used HPT for quite awhile now, and honestly can't think of any
    major issues besides my own misconfigurations or forgetfulness (for example, adding a route line when a new link is connected, simple things like that) I've ever had with it.

    I had some bad luck with the Husky stuff in its _early_ days and I've developed a cringe attitude to HPT. I eventually got the nodelist and diff-handling working but had real strife with its TIC & echomail but even then it required that I invest in some DOS voodoo to settle the beast. :)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Paul Quinn on Sat Nov 24 07:44:48 2018
    Hello,

    On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:05:42 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    For the guest Windows system.  The stock Win98se driver would only give 640x480 resolution, maximum.  On my two Win98se systems, each was using
    a different SVGA driver providing 1024x768.  Much, much better (I have screen capture videos showing such).

    So with this being said, are you referring to Win98se's display *before* VBox is even involved? If so, then it's probably not an issue with VBox itself. Otherwise, If it only happens in VBox, you can probably try to use the built in default drivers in VBox settings.

    The wildcat 'beta' type on the Fido vBox got rejected in a recent vBox update, and turned into a roiling blackhole from which nothing
    radiated... not even light.  The other didn't have trouble and still
    runs great, but I found through early experimentation that it neither
    will run DOS programs in a window nor full-screen.

    VBox or Win98se?

    Yes.  Tell me about your gaming.  Are you doing any ARMA 3?  (I'm seriously following the ShackTac boys.)  And, am liking the Star Citizen stuff (especially the 'Con' demo vids).

    To be honest I haven't done much of that either. I skipped this year's Call of Duty release due to the fact that PC gaming is dying as far as when a new game like that comes out, you get like 2-3 months of solid activity and then it gets hard to find a match. So not really worth the money spent these days unless you have a console. I can't bring myself to use a controller on FPS games though, and don't really want to spend the money on a mouse and keyboard setup for the PS4 that I may rarely use.

    I've still played PUBG (PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds) when I can, since I don't think that game will ever get boring. ;)

    Yes, I'm looking forward to being able to have another server for Björn to advertise.  That's something else that FMail failed at.

    I thought the whole point of this was *not* to use a "swiss army knife" BBS software? I mean whatever works for you of course, and I know you've used Mystic for quite some time, so obviously the comfort level is there for you.

    I had some bad luck with the Husky stuff in its _early_ days and I've developed a cringe attitude to HPT.  I eventually got the nodelist and diff-handling working but had real strife with its TIC & echomail but
    even then it required that I invest in some DOS voodoo to settle the beast.  :)

    All the software is there, you just have to write batch files or scripts to use them in a way that works for you obviously. Not sure how much DOS voodoo you would need, as I thought all, or most of your VMs were Linux based?

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Nicholas Boel on Sun Nov 25 10:05:39 2018
    Hi! Nick,

    On 11/24/2018 11:44 PM, you wrote:

    So with this being said, are you referring to Win98se's display *before* VBox is even involved? If so, then it's probably not an issue with VBox itself. Otherwise, If it only happens in VBox, you can probably try to
    use the built in default drivers in VBox settings.

    Firstly, there is /nil/ support in vBox for anything Win9x. T'ain't no "Guest Additions" and no working OOTB Windows SVGA driver, so, the SVGA driver had been written by a third party to fill the gap. The vBox people say it is all exceedingly very bloody difficult and don't even recommend installing Win9x in vBox. Hence, no support.

    OTOH, wouldn't you want to use a multi-tasking GUI OS that only uses 128Mb RAM (maybe just 64Mb but I didn't want to be overly stingy)? Especially if such can give renewed life to 20+ years-old accumulated utilities & custom scripts. :)

    runs great, but I found through early experimentation that it neither
    will run DOS programs in a window nor full-screen.

    VBox or Win98se?

    The alternate (vBox) SVGA driver-supported system. (Entirely different driver, BTW.) It's been running happily as a Win98se system for quite a few years, so long as I throw Windows *only* apps at it. Any attempted windowed/full-screen DOS sessions lock it up. It still runs so long as I'm careful.

    It was even running Radius from a LAN share on it as well as its primary job for a couple of weeks recently, but I've stopped doing that after Radius TRAP-ped unexpectedly one morning. That was for a downlink who can/will-not change his iRex _from_ port 24554.

    I thought the whole point of this was *not* to use a "swiss army knife" BBS software? I mean whatever works for you of course, and I know you've used Mystic for quite some time, so obviously the comfort level is there for you.

    There's another 32-bit Linux tosser? Where? What? Hunh? Pray tell, as I have not heard of one other than HPT.

    Mystic fitted nicely into my hardware & software constraints. I am very pleased with it. I haven't been this happy for nearly a decade. Can't you tell from my smile? :)

    All the software is there, you just have to write batch files or scripts to use them in a way that works for you obviously. Not sure how much DOS voodoo you would need, as I thought all, or most of your VMs were Linux based?

    Yes. The DOS doin's was just after fire was tamed and the wheel introduced into general use. Think of a time when Husky's nodelist handling stuff first became available.

    I don't do DOS any more. Just simple procedural bash-ing.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Paul Quinn on Sun Nov 25 07:43:16 2018
    Hello,

    On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 10:05:38 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Firstly, there is /nil/ support in vBox for anything Win9x.  T'ain't no "Guest Additions" and no working OOTB Windows SVGA driver, so, the SVGA driver had been written by a third party to fill the gap.  The vBox people say it is all exceedingly very bloody difficult and don't even recommend installing Win9x in vBox.  Hence, no support.

    Is there some kind of issue stopping you from using a newer version of Windows? Or even scrapping Windows altogether and using a Linux GUI to host your Vbox sessions? That said, using a Linux GUI to host may even allow for no need for Vbox at all..?

    OTOH, wouldn't you want to use a multi-tasking GUI OS that only uses
    128Mb RAM (maybe just 64Mb but I didn't want to be overly stingy)? Especially if such can give renewed life to 20+ years-old accumulated utilities & custom scripts.  :)

    Me personally? No. I don't use anything 20+ years old here as I have no need for it. All of my hardware is much newer than that, and can handle just about anything I throw at it. I use the free version of VMWare ESXi on my server machine, which runs 3-4 Archlinux 64-bit instances that powers all of my BBS/FTN operations, as well as a media center.

    The alternate (vBox) SVGA driver-supported system.  (Entirely different driver, BTW.)  It's been running happily as a Win98se system for quite a few years, so long as I throw Windows *only* apps at it.  Any attempted windowed/full-screen DOS sessions lock it up.  It still runs so long as I'm careful.

    Sounds like you have still have some hair pulling operations needing some sorting out over there. ;)

    There's another 32-bit Linux tosser?  Where?  What?  Hunh?  Pray tell, as I have not heard of one other than HPT.

    Crashmail II I guess, but I believe you've already tried that. HPT is obviously the main choice up to now.

    Sounds like there may be an option in the (whoknowswhen) future as far as D'Bridge goes. But that may end up somewhere in the same realm as FMail as far as stuck DOS related things going on there. But who knows, I would be inclinded to give it a test-go.

    Mystic fitted nicely into my hardware & software constraints.  I am very pleased with it.  I haven't been this happy for nearly a decade.  Can't you tell from my smile?  :)

    I run a separate Mystic system here not available to the public for testing purposes as well. I have for quite some time. Quite a bit of the early FTN/BinkP integration was by my request and whatever assistance I could give in testing.

    I don't do DOS any more.  Just simple procedural bash-ing.

    That's a good thing. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Nicholas Boel on Mon Nov 26 08:38:07 2018
    Hi! Nick,

    On 11/25/2018 11:43 PM, you wrote:

    Is there some kind of issue stopping you from using a newer version
    of Windows? Or even scrapping Windows altogether and using a Linux
    GUI to host your Vbox sessions? That said, using a Linux GUI to host
    may even allow for no need for Vbox at all..?

    Yes. Actually I don't 'do' Windows any longer. Both my hosts have Xubuntu OSs, currently running four vBox PCs: one private node (Linux), for network testing and nodelist-sandboxing; one non-Fido Win98se server, running (now-unused) proxies, intranet http server and pop3/smtp servers; the Mystic (Linux) test system; and, my other favourite Linux (below...).

    These things just serve me now, where the LAN used to support a family of four. (I'm scaling back - an astonishing thought...) The old Dell, recently recovered, relocated & re-built, used to host 5x vBox tasks but is only doing one now. It's hosting my very first Linux PC (from 2005) now as a vBox!, still running LAN services (e.g. DLNA media server for my MP3 & photos collection). It's multi-talented too, and has a Fido test system also installed.

    Me personally? No. I don't use anything 20+ years old here as I have no need for it. All of my hardware is much newer than that, and can handle just about anything I throw at it. I use the free version of VMWare ESXi on my server machine, which runs 3-4 Archlinux 64-bit instances that powers all of my BBS/FTN operations, as well as a media center.

    There you go. Differences in outlook & scale.

    Sounds like you have still have some hair pulling operations needing
    some sorting out over there. ;)

    Not really. I'm excited every morning. Whoo!hoo!

    Crashmail II I guess, but I believe you've already tried that. HPT is obviously the main choice up to now.

    CM II still runs here on one node 24/7 & this point. It has been my experience that with both the distribution Linux binaries and locally-compiled versions of the sources for version 0.71 will strip SEENBYs
    and mangle PATHs on echomail flowing through a non-leaf node.

    The same occurs with the fancy CM 1.xx versions on SourceForge. They are just cosmetic fixes, fune-tuning the programming 'style'. Even the current Scandinavian version, 0.88, hasn't been fixed.

    Next.

    Sounds like there may be an option in the (whoknowswhen) future as far
    as D'Bridge goes. But that may end up somewhere in the same realm as
    FMail as far as stuck DOS related things going on there. But who knows,
    I would be inclinded to give it a test-go.

    Yes. Really? That was a passing thought of mine a decade ago, just about when Windows lost its shine for me. I didn't see much of a future for D'Bridge then but I'm sure it's a damned fine system still.

    OTOH, I was wrong about FMail. It has too much middle-90s baggage that I was unaware of.

    I run a separate Mystic system here not available to the public for testing purposes as well. I have for quite some time. Quite a bit of the early FTN/BinkP integration was by my request and whatever assistance I could give in testing.

    Ah, I thought so. You done good, except the BSO looks weird. But, if it works then I ain't gonna argue. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Paul Quinn on Mon Nov 26 08:51:34 2018
    Hello,

    On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:38:06 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Yes.  Actually I don't 'do' Windows any longer.  Both my hosts have Xubuntu OSs, currently running four vBox PCs: one private node (Linux), for network testing and nodelist-sandboxing; one non-Fido Win98se
    server, running (now-unused) proxies, intranet http server and pop3/smtp servers; the Mystic (Linux) test system; and, my other favourite Linux (below...).

    I see. I take it Win98se is the last license you bought for Windows? I could only imagine the insecurities and vulnerabilities they've fixed since then. ;)

    These things just serve me now, where the LAN used to support a family
    of four.  (I'm scaling back - an astonishing thought...)  The old Dell, recently recovered, relocated & re-built, used to host 5x vBox tasks but is only doing one now.  It's hosting my very first Linux PC (from 2005) now as a vBox!, still running LAN services (e.g. DLNA media server for
    my MP3 & photos collection).  It's multi-talented too, and has a Fido test system also installed.

    From 2005 meaning never updated? Or have you been maintaining since then?

    CM II still runs here on one node 24/7 & this point.  It has been my experience that with both the distribution Linux binaries and locally-compiled versions of the sources for version 0.71 will strip SEENBYs
    and mangle PATHs on echomail flowing through a non-leaf node.

    Ahh ok. I've only setup CMII for testing purposes, but never actually put it into use.

    Yes.  Really?  That was a passing thought of mine a decade ago, just about when Windows lost its shine for me.  I didn't see much of a future for D'Bridge then but I'm sure it's a damned fine system still.

    As far as I can tell there's still quite a bit of work being done. At this point I think it's just service packs for minor fixes until Nick can do some major changes (ie: I guess v4.0 has a Linux flavor in the works).

    Ah, I thought so.  You done good, except the BSO looks weird.  But, if it works then I ain't gonna argue.  ;-)

    What looks wierd about the BSO? Is it because it's 5D outbound directory naming whereas most of us are used to only 4D?

    JAMNNTPd - There I mentioned it so we're still on topic. I don't know what the strictness level is on this echo as far as that. If we need to move echos to keep the discussion going let me know.

    At this point in time we should just be grateful someone is saying *something* somewhere. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Nov 27 09:43:50 2018
    Hi! Nick,

    On 11/27/2018 12:51 AM, you wrote:

    I see. I take it Win98se is the last license you bought for Windows? I could only imagine the insecurities and vulnerabilities they've fixed since then. ;)

    Actually the last is my wife's XP SP2. (I don't use it any longer.) It used to run on her Ubuntu PC as a vBox but she only ever saw XP full-screen. Same difference though WRT updates.

    my MP3 & photos collection). It's multi-talented too, and has a Fido
    test system also installed.

    From 2005 meaning never updated? Or have you been maintaining since then?

    Never updated. They got it right the first time... well, it's Puppy version 4.12 (Linux v2.5.x), and version 2.00 of the particular edition (MacPuppy).

    There are =no= public-facing well-known servers active on this LAN, verified with several web tools... except for Fidonet (binkP counts now).

    for D'Bridge then but I'm sure it's a damned fine system still.

    As far as I can tell there's still quite a bit of work being done. At
    this point I think it's just service packs for minor fixes until Nick
    can do some major changes (ie: I guess v4.0 has a Linux flavor in the works).

    I recall Nick saying that won't happen. Maybe I'm wrong... probably I'm wrong. Nearly exactly three years back he said he was working on v4.xx for a "multitude of OS platforms". I thought he said since that he's somewhat disappointed that he couldn't.

    What looks wierd about the BSO? Is it because it's 5D outbound directory naming whereas most of us are used to only 4D?

    Ermm... mine seems to want to use a single outbound for -all- of Fidonet, regardless of zone. Early days, as it might only have created the 'default' zone. No real testing yet.

    JAMNNTPd - There I mentioned it so we're still on topic. I don't know
    what the strictness level is on this echo as far as that. If we need to move echos to keep the discussion going let me know.

    At this point in time we should just be grateful someone is saying *something* somewhere. ;)

    Dude. That's why I'm here. I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd. A fixed CM II 2.xx would be a wonderful winner.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 01:37:33 2018
    I recall Nick saying that won't happen. Maybe I'm wrong... probably I'm wrong. Nearly exactly three years back he said he was working on v4.xx for a "multitude of OS platforms". I thought he said since that he's somewhat disappointed that he couldn't.

    Soon after Nick took over D'Bridge I was contacted by him and asked if I could help him tidy up the code. It was written in Turbo Pascal (my speciality) and sure enough there were lots of odd solutions -- especially when it came to DOS "cheats" i.e. using undocumented MS-DOS functions.

    I cleaned up all those "cheats" (just as I did with MakeNl, BTW) plus optimized the code in many ways (using analysers and debuggers I had available) and sent the clean code back to him. After that, the code would compile with any Pascal flavour, even Free Pascal or any other Pascal compiler running on a linux box.

    Strangely enough, Nick denied that I even had been involved in the project (I still have it here somewhere) and even called me a liar when I said so. Apparently he never used my effort. So, unless I pick up the baton from where I left, I don't think we will ever see a linux (or even OS/2 :) ) port of it. 8-)

    PS: As the originator of this echo, I can assure you that I don't mind at all if you stray a wee bit off topic.


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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 08:34:04 2018
    Paul Quinn <3:640/1384.125> wrote:

    I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.

    HPT, the best. :) There's also a perl script to create groups file. Simple.

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Björn Felten on Tue Nov 27 08:38:02 2018
    Bjrn Felten <2:203/2> wrote:

    Strangely enough, Nick denied that I even had been involved in the
    project

    So you have to remember it wrong. :-D.

    'Tommi

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Tommi Koivula on Tue Nov 27 08:41:46 2018
    Strangely enough, Nick denied that I even had been involved in the
    project

    So you have to remember it wrong. :-D.

    Yeah, it probably was just a dream. A very vivid one, with Pascal code and email all over the place... 8-)



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Tommi Koivula on Tue Nov 27 17:30:45 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 11/27/2018 04:34 PM, you wrote:

    I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.

    HPT, the best. :) There's also a perl script to create groups file. Simple.

    Ah, I see where I went wrong. Back on the 19th you told Mark Lewis that "Sqpack from Husky renumbers automatically". Not knowing better I took it to mean JAM areas. On reflection, that might mean Squish areas...true?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 10:10:18 2018
    Paul Quinn <3:640/1384.125> wrote:

    >> I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.

    TK> HPT, the best. :) There's also a perl script to create groups file. Simple.

    Ah, I see where I went wrong. Back on the 19th you told Mark Lewis that "Sqpack from Husky renumbers automatically". Not knowing better I took
    it to mean JAM areas. On reflection, that might mean Squish areas...true?

    The automatic renumbering seems to affect both jam and squish. So I don't pack/purge until I find an utility which does not renumber. Disk space is not an issue nowadays.

    'Tommi

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Tommi Koivula on Tue Nov 27 09:22:05 2018
    Disk space is not an issue nowadays.

    True. Comment linking time however still is.



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Tommi Koivula on Tue Nov 27 18:29:20 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 11/27/2018 06:10 PM, you wrote:

    The automatic renumbering seems to affect both jam and squish. So I
    don't pack/purge until I find an utility which does not renumber. Disk space is not an issue nowadays.

    Thanks, mate. That's nice to know. My vBox-ed Linux PCs typically have a limited 10Gb virtual HDD(.vdi). They are easily expanded, of course. :)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Björn Felten on Tue Nov 27 10:41:00 2018
    Bjrn Felten <2:203/2> wrote:

    TK> Disk space is not an issue nowadays.

    True. Comment linking time however still is.

    "hpt -q link -j" is very fast ("-j" links jam with crc). Still not an issue.

    'Tommi

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 10:12:48 2018
    Thanks, mate. That's nice to know.

    Johan Billing's crashmaint (part of the crashmail II suite) does NOT renumber the JAM areas -- only the .MSG areas.

    I've used it for 14 years now without a single problem.

    'crashmaint MAINT PACK' works like a charm every time. YMMV... 8-)



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Tommi Koivula on Tue Nov 27 10:15:56 2018
    "hpt -q link -j" is very fast ("-j" links jam with crc). Still not an issue.

    Even when the area exceeds 100k messages?

    Anyway, I'm not ready for hpt. Crashmail II by Johan is still my forte.


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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 11:19:40 2018

     TK>> The automatic renumbering seems to affect both jam and squish. So I
     TK>> don't pack/purge until I find an utility which does not renumber. Disk
     TK>> space is not an issue nowadays.

    Thanks, mate.  That's nice to know. 

    And the good news for smapinntpd users: "hptutil purge/pack" seems not
    to renumber squish base. Jam yes. :(

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Björn Felten on Tue Nov 27 11:29:20 2018
    Bjrn Felten <2:203/2> wrote:

    "hpt -q link -j" is very fast ("-j" links jam with crc). Still not an issue.

    Even when the area exceeds 100k messages?

    Yep.

    Message count does not really matter, linking is done only for the just-tossed messages.

    Anyway, I'm not ready for hpt. Crashmail II by Johan is still my forte.

    Your loss. ;)

    'Tommi

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Bjrn Felten on Tue Nov 27 20:02:27 2018
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 27 Nov 18 10:12, you wrote to me:

    Johan Billing's crashmaint (part of the crashmail II suite) does
    NOT renumber the JAM areas -- only the .MSG areas.
    I've used it for 14 years now without a single problem.
    'crashmaint MAINT PACK' works like a charm every time. YMMV... 8-)

    I know. It's been doing wonderfully here on 2-3 nodes (several testers) and a point, for about half as long, or that is, for as long as I've ever known about CM. I'm a devotee also.

    The only area(s) it fails at... in Linux vBox PCs and desktops... it chews SEENBYs and invents _new_ PATHs, even for traffic passing through. (Remember Tommi checking out my config file... once upon a time?)

    That's... Linux compilations. Your Win32 doover might be different. There again, it is (hiding?) behind Squish... therefore the problem may never present.

    I can't find a Linux Squish. If there was one, then I'd jump to be first in line to use it. I used to use it, even _with_ FastEcho, since FE didn't know how to maintain Squish areas.

    Next. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Tommi Koivula on Tue Nov 27 20:03:05 2018
    Hi! Tommi,

    On 27 Nov 18 11:19, you wrote to me:

    And the good news for smapinntpd users: "hptutil purge/pack" seems not
    to renumber squish base. Jam yes. :(

    Oh, bugger. :-{

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Broken pencils are pointless.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Tommi Koivula on Tue Nov 27 11:14:05 2018
    Message count does not really matter, linking is done only for the just-tossed messages.

    ???

    In order to find the message linking to, surely the program must search the entire message base?



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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 11:15:53 2018
    it chews SEENBYs and invents _new_ PATHs, even for traffic passing through.

    CrashMaint does that? Strange...




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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 02:26:45 2018
    Re: smapinntpd
    By: Paul Quinn to Bjrn Felten on Tue Nov 27 2018 08:02 pm

    I can't find a Linux Squish. If there was one, then I'd jump to be first in line to use it. I used to use it, even _with_ FastEcho, since FE didn't know how to maintain Squish areas.

    There is a source release that includes Maximus and Squish at sourceforge.net. It was being worked on just after the source for Maximus was released by Lanius. There are minor visual glitches with the linux version but I found that it worked the same as I remember it working with Dos and OS/2.

    I didn't use it extensively.. so beware.. ;)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Bjrn Felten on Tue Nov 27 20:32:02 2018
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 27 Nov 18 11:15, you wrote to me:

    it chews SEENBYs and invents _new_ PATHs, even for traffic
    passing through.

    CrashMaint does that? Strange...

    Uh-huh. Wanna run a test? Next week? I can re-activate a CM tester node to feed one of yours; node or a point.

    Here's a favourite EwwToob presentation, while you consider...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_UJDR5_xtA

    BTW, there is another video from a different angle. Both are equally magical.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Freddie, we miss you all the time...
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Alan Ianson on Tue Nov 27 20:32:06 2018
    Hi! Alan,

    On 27 Nov 18 02:26, you wrote to me:

    the linux version but I found that it worked the same as I remember it working with Dos and OS/2.

    I didn't use it extensively.. so beware.. ;)

    Kewl! I promise. Thank you! Wow! But not too soon. Enuff on me plate already. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... I used to be a cynic, but I don't believe in that crap any more.
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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 12:07:32 2018
    CrashMaint does that? Strange...

    Uh-huh. Wanna run a test? Next week? I can re-activate a CM tester
    node to feed one of yours; node or a point.

    Nota Bene, I am *not* talking about CrashMail here, I'm talking about CrashMaint. A free standing program that can be run without CrashMail (just have a crashmail.prefs file ready for it).



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tue Nov 27 12:24:52 2018
    (just have a crashmail.prefs file ready for it)

    I just tested with this minimal prefs file (96 bytes):

    AREA "FIDONET.ORG" 2:203/2.0 JAM "s:\\fd\\jam\\FIDONET-"
    KEEPNUM 100
    EXPORT %2:203/0.0
    GROUP R

    And ran it with this batch file:

    crashmaint MAINT PACK


    The result was this:

    R:\cmaint>crashmaint MAINT PACK
    Processing FIDONET.ORG...
    5 messages deleted by number, 100 messages left
    5 deleted messages removed from messagebase

    R:\cmaint>



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Bjrn Felten on Tue Nov 27 21:32:14 2018
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 27 Nov 18 12:07, you wrote to me:

    Nota Bene, I am *not* talking about CrashMail here, I'm talking
    about CrashMaint. A free standing program that can be run without CrashMail (just have a crashmail.prefs file ready for it).

    Dude. It's part of the package, and runs here on a node & a point on Sundays. 12:30 for the point; 17:40 for the node:

    -+- 8< ---
    # messagebase maint...
    /opt/ftn/fido/tosser/bin/crashmaint MAINT PACK >/opt/ftn/fido/logfiles/mBaseMaint.log
    -+- >8 ---

    Next.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... If it has tits or tyres you're gonna have trouble with it!
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Bjrn Felten on Tue Nov 27 21:40:34 2018
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 27 Nov 18 12:24, you wrote to Bjrn Felten:

    (just have a crashmail.prefs file ready for it)
    AREA "FIDONET.ORG" 2:203/2.0 JAM "s:\\fd\\jam\\FIDONET-"

    It's interesting that you use S:drive. That's what I used to use on my old Win98se node that went *poof* 17 August. 8-)

    crashmaint MAINT PACK

    Nah. Try this on a machine _not_ getting echomail through a zonegate...

    -+- 8< ---
    # Check out what mail is in the inbound...
    /opt/ftn/fido/tosser/bin/crashmail TOSS
    -+- >8 ---

    That's what I'm talking about. Same page now?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tue Nov 27 14:42:04 2018
    Hi Bjrn.

    27 Nov 18 11:14:04, you wrote to me:

    Message count does not really matter, linking is done only for the
    just-tossed messages.

    ???

    In order to find the message linking to, surely the program must search the entire message base?

    When linking JAM with CRC, it is done in index files, not in msg files.

    See the difference in size :

    === Cut ===

    Directory of K:\bbs\msgbase\*.jdt 2 774 272 778 bytes

    Directory of K:\bbs\msgbase\*.jdx 11 077 696 bytes

    === Cut ===

    'Tommi

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 15:22:04 2018
    That's what I'm talking about. Same page now?

    Not really. From what I see, you are still talking about CrashMail?

    Never mind, I just wanted to tell you about the marvellous TinyXP project, maybe something to replace one of your Win98E vBoxes?

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/TinyXP-Rev10.iso (1.8 GB)


    .... snip ...

    ________________________________________________________________________

    eXPerience Presents...

    Windows XP Professional SP3 - February 2010
    ________________________________________________________________________

    To boot from this DVD, set your PC up so it will boot
    from the DVD drive in the PC's BIOS.
    ________________________________________________________________________

    When you boot from this DVD you will see 6 options.

    You have a choice of 3 different Windows installations:

    1. Full Windows XP (nothing is removed)
    2. TinyXP (large components removed, but usable for most)
    3. MicroXP (extremely small, only takes 221Mb of HDD space)

    All three versions are updated to February 2010.

    There are also three more boot options:

    4. Acronis True Image EES v9.7.8353 (Backup\Restore)
    5. Hiren's BootCD v10.1 (Includes Live Windows XP)
    6. SpinRite v6.1 (Hard Disk Testing and Repair)

    ________________________________________________________________________

    All three choices include 22 different driverpacks, all are optional.

    BlueTooth (42.60 Mb)
    Broadband (16.20 Mb)
    Chipset (11.50 Mb)
    CPU (148.00 Kb)
    Graphics A (297.00 Mb)
    Graphics B (375.00 Mb)
    Graphics C (587.00 Mb)
    Input Devices (56.90 Mb)
    LAN Ethernet (50.20 Mb)
    Mass Storage (32.00 Mb)
    Miscellaneous (52.10 Mb)
    Modem (177.00 Mb)
    Monitor (95.10 Mb)
    Phone (15.00 Mb)
    Scanner (13.90 Mb)
    Sound A (182.00 Mb)
    Sound B (280.00 Mb)
    TV Card (75.00 Mb)
    USB Devices (2.69 Mb)
    Virtual (8.42 Mb)
    Webcam (221.00 Mb)
    Wireless LAN (158.00 Mb)

    Sizes above are for the uncompressed drivers on your hard disk.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Other boot options
    ------------------

    - Acronis Backup + Restore
    - Hirens Boot CD v10.1
    - SpinRite v6.0

    ________________________________________________________________________

    APPS folder

    - Portables
    Agent Ransack v1.7.3.332
    DU Meter v4.16.r3102
    foobar2000 v1.0
    SMplayer v0.6.8.3392
    SoftMaker Office 2010


    - Silent Installers
    allSnapv1.33.2
    ChromePlus v1.3.7.0
    Comodo Internet Security v3.14.129887.586
    Daemon Tools Lite v4.35
    Everything v1.2.1.371
    Foxit PDF Reader Pro v3.0.1301
    GetDiz v4.4.0.2
    HashTab v3.0
    IMG Burn v2.5.0.0
    NET Framework v2.0 v3.0 v3.5
    Notepad2 v4.0.23
    Prio v1.9.9.2091
    Unlocker v1.8.8
    uTorrent v1.8.5.17414
    Visual C++ 2005 2008
    WinRAR v3.91

    ________________________________________________________________________

    ISO folder (CD)

    If you want to make a 700Mb CD of any of these Windows
    installations, you have 7 different options to choose from.

    01a - Full XP + 4 Driverpacks [694Mb]
    01b - Full XP - No Added Drivers [672Mb]

    02a - TinyXP + 16 Driverpacks [699Mb]
    02b - TinyXP - No Added Drivers [346Mb]

    03a - MicroXP + 20 Driverpacks [695Mb]
    03b - MicroXP - No Added Drivers [109Mb]

    04 - TinyXP+MicroXP+Multi-Boot+6 Driverpacks [698Mb]
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    OEM folder (CD)

    If you want to install the drivers on this CD independently of
    installing Windows, this is now possible by running one file.

    In the OEM folder on the CD you will find a file called:

    DP_Install_Tool.cmd

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    Removed Items:

    To see what got removed, see the "Last Session.ini" file:

    XP01I386SVCPACKNLITELast Session.ini

    XP02I386SVCPACKNLITELast Session.ini

    XP03$OEM$NLITELast Session.ini

    XP01 = Full XP
    XP02 = TinyXP
    XP03 = MicroXP

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    Statistics:

    Full XP
    - Hard Disk Space Used = 1.19Gb
    - RAM Usage = 81.7Mb
    - Services Started = 38

    TinyXP Rev10
    - Hard Disk Space Used = 833Mb
    - RAM Usage = 60.3Mb
    - Services Started = 20

    MicroXP v0.84
    - Hard Disk Space Used = 221Mb
    - RAM Usage = 42.4Mb
    - Services Started = 17

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    Don't forget To Join The Forum @ SnipeR's Redemption Network:
    http://forum.retestrak.nl/index.php

    Enjoy this fine release from eXPerience

    Build Date: 17th February 2010

    Release Date : Late Winter 2010







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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tue Nov 27 15:34:54 2018
    Never mind, I just wanted to tell you about the marvellous TinyXP project, maybe something to replace one of your Win98E vBoxes?

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/TinyXP-Rev10.iso (1.8 GB)

    I notice that it doesn't seem to say so in the readme file, but once started, the complete installation is totally silent -- no user interference needed at all. That's the beauty of all the eXPerience "products". 8-)




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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Paul Quinn on Tue Nov 27 08:18:42 2018
    Hello,

    On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:43:50 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Actually the last is my wife's XP SP2.  (I don't use it any longer.)  It used to run on her Ubuntu PC as a vBox but she only ever saw XP full-screen.  Same difference though WRT updates.

    I guess I'm just trying to figure out why you seem to stick with Win98se. I mean I know the usual reasons like comfort, used to it, ease of use, etc. But is there something there that newer Windows OSes are lacking?

    Never updated.  They got it right the first time... well, it's Puppy version 4.12 (Linux v2.5.x), and version 2.00 of the particular edition (MacPuppy).

    Yikes! Linux 2.5, you may even be able to setup that broken version of Irex for Linux on there. ;)

    I recall Nick saying that won't happen.  Maybe I'm wrong... probably I'm wrong.  Nearly exactly three years back he said he was working on v4.xx for a "multitude of OS platforms".  I thought he said since that he's somewhat disappointed that he couldn't.

    To be honest, I have no idea. Before I took my long Fido vacation I was under the assumption it was still in the works. Though by now it could very well have changed.

    Ermm... mine seems to want to use a single outbound for -all- of
    Fidonet, regardless of zone.  Early days, as it might only have created the 'default' zone.  No real testing yet.

    If I remember right, the default zone setting would obviously be your default Fidonet outbound directory for zone 3. However, every other zone should have their own directory (ie: if default zone is "fidonet", you should have fidonet.001, fidonet.002, and fidonet.004 if links for those zones are in your config and you've sent netmail to them). Then for any other network you setup it would have a different directory naming scheme, not using the "fidonet" prefix, it would use the actual name of the network.

    Dude.  That's why I'm here.  I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves JAMNNTPd.  A fixed CM II 2.xx would be a wonderful winner.

    Seems as though you've tried the limited options out there. Also seems as though since CM II hasn't been touched in forever besides adding a couple text files and moving it to sourceforge or github, it may not ever get fixed. ;(

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Nov 28 10:01:50 2018
    Hi! Nick,

    On 11/28/2018 12:18 AM, you wrote:

    I guess I'm just trying to figure out why you seem to stick with
    Win98se. I mean I know the usual reasons like comfort, used to it, ease
    of use, etc. But is there something there that newer Windows OSes are lacking?

    1. An overriding RAM restriction: 4Gb per host. 2. Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM, and the older Puppy systems only need 256-512Mb/per. 3. No income, as all of my wealth is tied up in assets.

    ....outlook and scale...

    Never updated. They got it right the first time... well, it's
    Puppy version 4.12 (Linux v2.5.x), and version 2.00 of the
    particular edition (MacPuppy).

    Yikes! Linux 2.5, you may even be able to setup that broken version of Irex for Linux on there. ;)

    Excuse me? I've never run iRex for anything. I confused you. Sorry.

    I was running Radius for a downlink using iRex/W32 who will not reset to port 24555, to catch my backup system after the primary node imploded in the vBox update on 17 August.

    Radius TRAP-ped on my web-tools server Win98se vBox, so I'm now running two binkD servers on both ports, 24554 & 24555. Only one is nodelisted. (The second binkD was always running as a LAN 'Stargate' IAC.) Both are publically available though only the nodelisted one will serve *all* current links.

    the 'default' zone. No real testing yet.

    If I remember right, the default zone setting would obviously be your default Fidonet outbound directory for zone 3. However, every other zone should have their own directory (ie: if default zone is "fidonet", you should have fidonet.001, fidonet.002, and fidonet.004 if links for those zones are in your config and you've sent netmail to them). Then for any other network you setup it would have a different directory naming
    scheme, not using the "fidonet" prefix, it would use the actual name of the network.

    Yes.

    Dude. That's why I'm here. I want a _good_ Linux tosser that serves
    JAMNNTPd. A fixed CM II 2.xx would be a wonderful winner.

    Seems as though you've tried the limited options out there. Also seems
    as though since CM II hasn't been touched in forever besides adding a couple text files and moving it to sourceforge or github, it may not
    ever get fixed. ;(

    Yes. :(

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Wed Nov 28 05:22:56 2018
    2. Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM,

    Only?

    TinyXP Rev10
    - Hard Disk Space Used = 833Mb
    - RAM Usage = 60.3Mb
    - Services Started = 20




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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Bjrn Felten on Wed Nov 28 14:48:45 2018
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 28 Nov 18 05:22, you wrote to me:

    2. Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM,

    Only?

    TinyXP Rev10
    - Hard Disk Space Used = 833Mb
    - RAM Usage = 60.3Mb
    - Services Started = 20

    I give it 128 as I am a generous soul, even though vBox itself recommends 64. :-P

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Funditus tortus sum! Fucatissimum!
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Björn Felten on Wed Nov 28 14:01:38 2018

    28 Nov 18 05:22, Bjrn Felten wrote to Paul Quinn:

    2. Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM,

    Only?

    I thought that 640k ought to be enough...

    'Tommi

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Paul Quinn on Wed Nov 28 08:15:34 2018
    Hello,

    On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:01:50 +1000, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    1. An overriding RAM restriction: 4Gb per host.  2.  Win98se needs only 128Mb RAM, and the older Puppy systems only need 256-512Mb/per.  3. No income, as all of my wealth is tied up in assets.

    ...outlook and scale...

    Ah ok.

     NB>> Yikes! Linux 2.5, you may even be able to setup that broken
    version of Irex for Linux on there. ;)

    Excuse me?  I've never run iRex for anything.  I confused you.  Sorry.

    No confusion. It was somewhat of a joke since the Linux version of Irex was never updated for the 2.6+ kernel versions.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/189.1 to All on Fri Feb 8 13:59:05 2019
    Hello everybody.

    Everytime a message is posted using Thunderbird, the line below is added to it:

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125

    This is fine, as it's the software identification. I was wondering if anyone ever tried to modify it to be able to fit into the screen and not split just like the one above...

    Flavio

    ... "Ser que CASH BOX vem de 'Caixa De Som'?" - Reptile Sham
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Flavio Bessa on Fri Feb 8 20:40:26 2019
    On 8.2.2019 15:59, Flavio Bessa wrote:

    Hello everybody.

    Everytime a message is posted using Thunderbird, the line below
    is added to it:

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.16)
    Gecko/20101125

    This is fine, as it's the software identification. I was
    wondering if anyone ever tried to modify it to be able to fit into the screen and not split just like the one above...

    It *IS* truncated to 75 chars, so that it and "--- " will fit to 79
    chars. :)

    You can turn it off with "notearline" in your config.

    'Tommi

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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/189.1 to Tommi Koivula on Wed Jul 17 10:53:36 2019
    Hello Tommi.

    08 Feb 19 20:40, you wrote to me:

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    Gecko/20101125

    This is fine, as it's the software identification. I was
    wondering if anyone ever tried to modify it to be able to fit
    into the screen and not split just like the one above...

    It *IS* truncated to 75 chars, so that it and "--- " will fit to 79
    chars. :)

    You can turn it off with "notearline" in your config.

    That option came to my mind, but that would affect other users.

    I was looking for a way to edit the Thunderbird config to make it smaller.

    Flavio

    ... "Quebrei meu ovo! Perai que eu vou limpar!" - Daniel Rebe
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Flavio Bessa on Thu Jul 18 15:15:42 2019
    On 17.7.2019 13.53, Flavio Bessa -> Tommi Koivula :


    Hello Tommi.

    08 Feb 19 20:40, you wrote to me:

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    Gecko/20101125

    This is fine, as it's the software identification. I was
    wondering if anyone ever tried to modify it to be able to fit
    into the screen and not split just like the one above...

    It *IS* truncated to 75 chars, so that it and "--- " will fit to 79 chars. :)

    You can turn it off with "notearline" in your config.

    That option came to my mind, but that would affect other users.

    Yes.


    I was looking for a way to edit the Thunderbird config to make it smaller.

    Oh. You can add "general.useragent.override" into about:config.

    'Tommi

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tommi Koivula on Thu Jul 18 10:07:38 2019

    On 2019 Jul 18 15:15:42, you wrote to Flavio Bessa:

    I was looking for a way to edit the Thunderbird config to make it
    smaller.

    Oh. You can add "general.useragent.override" into about:config.

    or jamnntpd could just not be truncating things to less than 80 characters/glyphs... especially in this day in time... stuff that's truncated or force-wrapped to less than 80 chars/glyphs looks right cruddy on a (eg) 226x61 terminal... golded has the same stupid problem with things like tag lines :?

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... The trouble with Communism is the Communists.
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to mark lewis on Thu Jul 18 21:01:22 2019

     TK> Oh. You can add "general.useragent.override" into about:config.

    or jamnntpd could just not be truncating things to less than 80 characters/glyphs... especially in this day in time... stuff that's
    truncated or force-wrapped to less than 80 chars/glyphs looks right
    cruddy on a (eg) 226x61 terminal... golded has the same stupid problem
    with things like tag lines :?

    I just removed the 75 chars limit in this server.

    Is this better? Naah..

    'Tommi

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Tommi Koivula on Thu Jul 18 21:24:58 2019
    Is this better? Naah..

    Naah... It looks better than a six line sig though.



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Björn Felten on Fri Jul 19 08:16:32 2019
    Hi! Björn,

    On 07/19/2019 05:24 AM, you wrote:

    Is this better? Naah..

    Naah... It looks better than a six line sig though.

    If I knew how "Logging in with parameters" works, I would have recommended that to Flavio. Since you are the resident guru, would you think that that might that have helped him?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Tommi Koivula on Thu Jul 18 18:36:45 2019
    Re: Modifying Thunderbird
    By: Tommi Koivula to mark lewis on Thu Jul 18 2019 21:01:22

    I just removed the 75 chars limit in this server.

    Is this better? Naah..

    well, it isn't chopping any more ;)

    )\/(ark
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Bj÷rn Felten on Thu Jul 18 18:37:34 2019
    Re: Modifying Thunderbird
    By: Bjrn Felten to Tommi Koivula on Thu Jul 18 2019 21:24:58

    Is this better? Naah..

    Naah... It looks better than a six line sig though.

    i don't have a 6 line sig... it is only two and a piece on my terminal ;)

    )\/(ark
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to mark lewis on Fri Jul 19 16:05:56 2019

    Re: Modifying Thunderbird
    By: Tommi Koivula to mark lewis on Thu Jul 18 2019 21:01:22

    I just removed the 75 chars limit in this server.

    Is this better? Naah..

    well, it isn't chopping any more ;)

    Yep! ;)

    But for most people the tearline will wrap. That's not nice.

    'Tommi

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Jul 19 10:25:48 2019
    Re: Modifying Thunderbird
    By: Tommi Koivula to mark lewis on Fri Jul 19 2019 16:05:56

    I just removed the 75 chars limit in this server.

    Is this better? Naah..

    well, it isn't chopping any more ;)

    Yep! ;)

    But for most people the tearline will wrap. That's not nice.

    they could come into the modern world and use a wider terminal... they already have wider TVs ;) :P

    )\/(ark
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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Fri Jul 19 17:42:35 2019
    If I knew how "Logging in with parameters" works, I would have
    recommended that to Flavio. Since you are the resident guru, would you think that that might that have helped him?

    Hehehe! Guru, me? Naah...

    But seriously, I haven't given it much thought. I simply cannot see the problem. I think it's great that the tear line is used the way it should -- but that's Johan Billing for you, for decades always with FTN functionality in the driver's seat.



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