Hello All,

A couple of questions maybe some of the long-time JamNNTPd users can provide answers to..

[Question/Situation #1]

Is there a way to post using multiple names on the same account? For example, I/we use aliases on some othernets, and rather than setting up a completely new account it would be nice to be able to switch between usernames easily.

Golded has such a feature where you can do something like so:

GROUP A
USERNAME Nicholas Boel
ENDGROUP

GROUP B
USERNAME MyNickname
ENDGROUP

I noticed you can use a comma in your jamnntpd.users file to separate names, but I believe that is only for receiving and possibly sending netmail, and further comments in that file seem to not allow for this as it only posts with the first user specified:

# When a user posts a message, the first realname is used as the from name
# unless it contains wildcards. If the first realname contains wildcards or
# if no realnames are supplied, the from name is taken from the From: header
# line of the posted message.

[Question/Situation #2]

Is there any way to sort or somewhat "fix" or work around the seriously broken threading in Fidonet?

At times I'll have to scroll back 100s of messages to find a broken thread with one reply to it. It would be nice if somehow you could combine all matching subjects into one thread, but since I've always heard the gripes about threading in Fidonet, I should probably assume that this isn't possible?

That said, It may just be easier to disable threading altogether and just read them as they're received. After using JamNNTPd for a bit now I'm realizing all the complaints about broken threading in Fidonet is not just a myth! Yikes!

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Nick

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:12:42 -0500 Nicholas Boel wrote:

A couple of questions maybe some of the long-time JamNNTPd users can provide answers to..

[Question/Situation #1]

Is there a way to post using multiple names on the same account?

If you dont set the realname field in jamnntpd.users file at all, you can post by whatever name you set into your news client.

In this case you cannot use netmail. :(

[Question/Situation #2]

Is there any way to sort or somewhat "fix" or work around the
seriously broken threading in Fidonet?

I dont know for sure but I think jamnntpd follows the reply linking of the jam base?

Running "hpt link -j" would be the best thing to do..

'Tommi

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On 3/12/2017 10:49 AM, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Is there a way to post using multiple names on the same account?

If you dont set the realname field in jamnntpd.users file at all, you
can post by whatever name you set into your news client.

Which would still require switching your name constantly. However..

In this case you cannot use netmail. :(

That's a bummer.

Is there any way to sort or somewhat "fix" or work around the
seriously broken threading in Fidonet?

I dont know for sure but I think jamnntpd follows the reply linking of
the jam base?

I'm sure it does, and it does it fine. It's the broken threading of other software that makes you have to search more than necessary for a new post.

I almost wish there was a switch to disable threading and just list the messages in order like Golded does. At least then all your new messages would be in line and at the end of the list.

Running "hpt link -j" would be the best thing to do..

I run "hpt link" here, I'll give the -j switch a try but it probably won't matter much. It's not a fault of jamnntpd itself.

For example, I see well over 30 threads all named "Illegitimate President", some with "Re:" and some without. Also a bunch more where the "t" in President was removed.

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Nick

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Hi! Nicholas,

On 12 Mar 17 18:20, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

I almost wish there was a switch to disable threading and just list
the messages in order like Golded does. At least then all your new messages would be in line and at the end of the list.

I get that with my other Thunderbird, just by tweaking an icon on one of the columns... oops, I forgotten which but I think it's the left-most column header icon. YMMV. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 2017 Mar 12 18:20:44, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

I almost wish there was a switch to disable threading and just list
the messages in order like Golded does. At least then all your new messages would be in line and at the end of the list.

what news reader are you using? in t-bird, you simply click the zigzag icon in the message list... mine is on the left of the list... unclicking it puts all the posts is arrival order which is how i normally read fidonet areas anyway...

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On 3/12/2017 6:52 PM, mark lewis -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

what news reader are you using? in t-bird, you simply click the zigzag icon in the message list... mine is on the left of the list...
unclicking it puts all the posts is arrival order which is how i
normally read fidonet areas anyway...

That did the trick. Thanks. I don't suppose there's a way to set that to all instead of having to click it every time you change newsgroups?

Either way, it does indeed help a bunch regardless.

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Nick

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On 3/12/2017 6:36 PM, Paul Quinn -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

I get that with my other Thunderbird, just by tweaking an icon on one of the columns... oops, I forgotten which but I think it's the left-most column header icon. YMMV. :)

Thank you, kind sir! That's exactly what I was looking for.

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On 2017 Mar 12 20:51:38, you wrote to me:

what news reader are you using? in t-bird, you simply click the
zigzag icon in the message list... mine is on the left of the list...
unclicking it puts all the posts is arrival order which is how i
normally read fidonet areas anyway...

That did the trick. Thanks. I don't suppose there's a way to set that
to all instead of having to click it every time you change newsgroups?

nope... that's a client side option... just like the last read pointers... the whole thing is backwards from bbses...

Either way, it does indeed help a bunch regardless.

we do what we can with what he have :)

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On 3/12/2017 9:14 PM, mark lewis -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

what news reader are you using? in t-bird, you simply click the
zigzag icon in the message list... mine is on the left of the list...
unclicking it puts all the posts is arrival order which is how i
normally read fidonet areas anyway...

That did the trick. Thanks. I don't suppose there's a way to set that
to all instead of having to click it every time you change newsgroups?

nope... that's a client side option... just like the last read
pointers... the whole thing is backwards from bbses...

Actually, clicking that setting for the newsgroup after you mentioned it, it seems to remember that setting in the future. After reopening Thunderbird and arriving on this newsgroup as well as others I disabled threading on, threading wasn't shown. Impressive!

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Nick

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On 2017 Mar 13 09:54:14, you wrote to me:

nope... that's a client side option... just like the last read
pointers... the whole thing is backwards from bbses...

Actually, clicking that setting for the newsgroup after you mentioned
it, it seems to remember that setting in the future. After reopening Thunderbird and arriving on this newsgroup as well as others I
disabled threading on, threading wasn't shown. Impressive!

i'm glad you discovered it... i hadn't had a chance to tell you that, yet ;)

)\/(ark

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On 3/13/2017 2:51 PM, mark lewis -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Actually, clicking that setting for the newsgroup after you mentioned
it, it seems to remember that setting in the future. After reopening
Thunderbird and arriving on this newsgroup as well as others I
disabled threading on, threading wasn't shown. Impressive!

i'm glad you discovered it... i hadn't had a chance to tell you that,
yet ;)

Been tinkering with it a little more this week, and besides the fact that I can choose (and set per area or group) what name I want to post with with Golded, it seems this method fixes a few other issues I had with Golded that are more important at this time. :)

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Nick

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