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Hello Tommi,

On Thursday May 18 2017 15:48, you wrote to Roger Nelson:

Tried ArcaOS 5 yet? :)

What is ArcaOS 5?

https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos/

Does it support IPv6? If not -> show stopper!

That website is IPv4, a bad sign.


Cheers, Michiel

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On Thu, 18 May 2017 15:14:20 +0200 Michiel van der Vlist wrote:

RW>>> Tried ArcaOS 5 yet? :)

RN>> What is ArcaOS 5?

TK> https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos/

Does it support IPv6?

No idea. I doubt it, but we'll see...

'Tommi

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Hello Tommi,

On Thursday May 18 2017 16:52, you wrote to me:

Does it support IPv6?

No idea. I doubt it, but we'll see...

I get zero hits on "ArcaOS and IPv6"...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel!

18 May 17 15:14, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

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Sysops).

Hello Tommi,

On Thursday May 18 2017 15:48, you wrote to Roger Nelson:

Tried ArcaOS 5 yet? :)

What is ArcaOS 5?

https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos/

Does it support IPv6? If not -> show stopper!

That website is IPv4, a bad sign.

I will give you the same answer I give our EA department at work: "So? It works doesn't it?"

Robert


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Hello Michiel!

18 May 17 15:59, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

Hello Tommi,

On Thursday May 18 2017 16:52, you wrote to me:

Does it support IPv6?

No idea. I doubt it, but we'll see...

I get zero hits on "ArcaOS and IPv6"...

Considering how new the OS is, I am not surprised. Give it time.

Cheers, Michiel

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Robert


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Hi Michiel,

Tried ArcaOS 5 yet? :)

What is ArcaOS 5?

https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos/

Does it support IPv6? If not -> show stopper!

I have buy it yesterday and running it on my local laptop, it's nice done only the wifi drivers are not complete yet, as i can have only a cable connection for now, i dont have test IPV6 but it think it's also not ready yet.


Rudi

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Hello Robert,

On Thursday May 18 2017 16:54, you wrote to me:

I get zero hits on "ArcaOS and IPv6"...

Considering how new the OS is, I am not surprised. Give it time.

IPv6 is twenty years old. Already in 2009, now eight years ago, I decided I would not buy any new (network) stuff not supporting IPv6. Give it time? No way, time is up! A new OS not supporting IPv6 is like a new car with only a sling starter.

If it does not support IPv6, I am not even going to have a look at it.

Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel!

19 May 17 00:50, you wrote to me:

IPv6 is twenty years old. Already in 2009, now eight years ago, I
decided I would not buy any new (network) stuff not supporting IPv6.
Give it time? No way, time is up! A new OS not supporting IPv6 is like
a new car with only a sling starter.

If it does not support IPv6, I am not even going to have a look at it.

Well, considering where ArcaOS 5 has its origins...

Robert


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Hello Rudi,

On Friday May 19 2017 00:20, you wrote to me:

Does it support IPv6? If not -> show stopper!

I have buy it yesterday and running it on my local laptop, it's nice
done only the wifi drivers are not complete yet, as i can have only a cable connection for now, i dont have test IPV6 but it think it's also
not ready yet.

If you have it up and running, it should not be hard to see if it supports IPv6 at all. Even if you have no IPv6 connection to the outside world.

How about "ping ::1" on the command line?


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Michiel,

If you have it up and running, it should not be hard to see if it supports IPv
at all. Even if you have no IPv6 connection to the outside world.

How about "ping ::1" on the command line?

When i do that i get:

[C:\]ping ::1
ping: unknown host ::1

I have done netstat into the command i only see a IPV4 adress, i have also email them for a answher but i dont have any reply yet when i have i port it here, as for me it's for my personal laptop so i dont need it, as my Fidonet system is running on my Rapsberry Pi and as you know that has IPV6 only inbound for now, waiting when Kim update BBBS for also outbound.

Rudi

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Hello Rudi,

On Friday May 19 2017 18:39, you wrote to me:

[C:\]ping ::1
ping: unknown host ::1

Clear enough.

This is what one of my friends got in rteurn to at ticket to ArcaOS:

At this time, IPv6 support is on our nice-to-have list, but we have no definite plans for implementing it in the near future. As long as edge devices (routers, etc.) maintain dual stacks, there is no urgent need
for IPv6 on the client side. That said, we do want to implement an IPv6 stack at some point (and hopefully replace the older BSD-based IPv4
stack, as well, with something more maintainable going forward).

I hope this answers your question. Thanks for your interest!

So... no ipv6. End of story.



Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Michiel,

This is what one of my friends got in rteurn to at ticket to ArcaOS:

At this time, IPv6 support is on our nice-to-have list, but we have no
definite plans for implementing it in the near future. As long as edge
devices (routers, etc.) maintain dual stacks, there is no urgent need
for IPv6 on the client side. That said, we do want to implement an IPv6
stack at some point (and hopefully replace the older BSD-based IPv4
stack, as well, with something more maintainable going forward).

Ok thanks for the info, as for myself on my laptop i dont need IPV6, so no problem for me ;)

Rudi

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Hello Rudi,

On Friday May 19 2017 21:40, you wrote to me:

implement an IPv6 stack at some point (and hopefully replace the
older BSD-based IPv4 stack, as well, with something more
maintainable going forward).

Ok thanks for the info, as for myself on my laptop i dont need IPV6,
so no problem for me ;)

It may be no problem for you ATM, but buying stuff without IPv6 is the wrong signal. Launching an OS that is still IP4 only is NOT "bringing it into the 21th century". For me no IPv6 is a show stopper, even if I do not need it for this particular implementation right now.

Already seven years ago I decided not to buy any more IPv4 only stuff. Period.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Michiel,

It may be no problem for you ATM, but buying stuff without IPv6 is the wrong signal. Launching an OS that is still IP4 only is NOT "bringing it into the 21th century". For me no IPv6 is a show stopper, even if I do not need it for this particular implementation right now.

Already seven years ago I decided not to buy any more IPv4 only stuff. Period.

Ok i can understand that's something you need to make out for yourself. For me i'm more playing with Mobile OS (apps) and Mobile devices ;)

Rudi

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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Rudi Timmermans <=-

It may be no problem for you ATM, but buying stuff without IPv6 is the wrong signal. Launching an OS that is still IP4 only is NOT "bringing
it into the 21th century". For me no IPv6 is a show stopper, even if I
do not need it for this particular implementation right now.

Already seven years ago I decided not to buy any more IPv4 only stuff. Period.

That does make it aq more difficult decision. I would like to run ArcaOS here, but for the past 6 years, I have been running a full dual stack setup, so adding a non IPv6 capable system is a step backwards, and where's the matter of sending market signals.

But OTOH, there is room to try bringing back my original system, which was installed under OS/2.


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Hello Tony,

On Saturday May 20 2017 08:39, you wrote to me:

Already seven years ago I decided not to buy any more IPv4 only
stuff. Period.

In 2009, so eight years ago actually.

That does make it aq more difficult decision. I would like to run
ArcaOS here, but for the past 6 years, I have been running a full dual stack setup, so adding a non IPv6 capable system is a step backwards,
and where's the matter of sending market signals.

For me the decision is easy. The market signal prevails. It ould not be all that hard to integrate an IPv4 only system to my LAN, but I don't want to do that. And I certainly am not going to PAY for it. Wrong market signal indeed.

But OTOH, there is room to try bringing back my original system, which
was installed under OS/2.

I ran OS/2 for a while. Warp II IIRC. it was a long time ago. I liked it. But I dumped it when I could not make it talk to Novell Personal Netware. I tried very hard, but just could not make it work. It was fixed in later versions, but then I had allready said goodbye. I am not one to go back. For me, Goodbye is goodbye.

Networking was not one of the strong points of OS/2 and ArcaOS seems to have inherited that weekness from IBM. The fact that they label IPv6 as mere "nice to have" says volumes.


Cheers, Michiel

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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Already seven years ago I decided not to buy any more IPv4 only
stuff. Period.

In 2009, so eight years ago actually.

My total IPv6 convesion was 2 years later. However, I have to be pragmatic, there are some systems (ham radio is notorious) that don't support IPv6, so each case is judged on its merits.

For me the decision is easy. The market signal prevails. It ould not be all that hard to integrate an IPv4 only system to my LAN, but I don't want to do that. And I certainly am not going to PAY for it. Wrong
market signal indeed.

Luckily the vast majority of my decisions involve no expenditure (either open source or freeware).

But OTOH, there is room to try bringing back my original system, which
was installed under OS/2.

I ran OS/2 for a while. Warp II IIRC. it was a long time ago. I liked
it. But I dumped it when I could not make it talk to Novell Personal Netware. I tried very hard, but just could not make it work. It was
fixed in later versions, but then I had allready said goodbye. I am not one to go back. For me, Goodbye is goodbye.

I ran Warp 3. Worked really well, and although there were some incompatibilities, I was able to get networking with Windows machines more or less working. I am one to revisit things at a later date, if there is merit.

Networking was not one of the strong points of OS/2 and ArcaOS seems to have inherited that weekness from IBM. The fact that they label IPv6 as mere "nice to have" says volumes.

That is disappointing, though there is scope for a totally new network stack, which better include IPv6! :)


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Hello Tony,

On Saturday May 20 2017 19:34, you wrote to me:

In 2009, so eight years ago actually.

My total IPv6 convesion was 2 years later. However, I have to be pragmatic, there are some systems (ham radio is notorious) that don't support IPv6, so each case is judged on its merits.

The date that I dedided to no longer buy new network stuff that does not do IPv6 does not co‹ncide with totally converting my LAN to IPv6. The conversion of my network to IPv6 was a gradual process that took many years. It is not entirely complete yet. There is my FON spot that is still IPv4 only. I have been pestering FON about IPv6 for years, but to no avail. The loophole is that I did not pay for the Fonera Simple. http://www.vlist.eu/fon/simpl.htm

The other IPv4 only gadget is the "SanKnows WhiteBox" Also not something I bought. I just host it. I should write them again. Maybe this time with a veiled threat of disconnecting it if they continue to ignore IPv6...

Luckily the vast majority of my decisions involve no expenditure
(either open source or freeware).

Same here.

Networking was not one of the strong points of OS/2 and ArcaOS
seems to have inherited that weekness from IBM. The fact that
they label IPv6 as mere "nice to have" says volumes.

That is disappointing, though there is scope for a totally new network stack, which better include IPv6! :)

I call it more than just disappointing Their slogan is: "bringing OS/2 to the 21st century". Sorry, an OS not supporting IPv6 is NOT 21th century. And certainly not the second decennium of the 21th century. Today in 2017 for an OS, IPv6 is not "nice to have", it is essential. For me it is an absolute show stopper. It is like a car without side mirrors. 50+ years ago when I got my driver's license, cars did not normally have side mirrors. They just had the mirror on the inside of the front window. So I have driven cars without side mirrors. In the past. But now I would not buy a new car that had no side mirrors. I consider them essential for the combination of modern traffic and my 70 year old neck...

Yes, I suppose the lack of IPv6 in ArcaOS can be fixed. Maybe they will fix it some day. Just like that new car in the show room that has no side mirrors. It can be fixed. The vendor can mount side mirrors. But sorry, no deal. If the manufacturer did not consider side mirrors essential these days, I have no faith in them. It makes you wonder what else that I consider essential in the 21th century, they left out because it is merely "nice to have"?

A 21th century OS without IPv6? Sorry, no deal!


Cheers, Michiel

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On 20.5.2017 16:24, Michiel van der Vlist :

I call it more than just disappointing Their slogan is: "bringing OS/2
to the 21st century". Sorry, an OS not supporting IPv6 is NOT 21th century.

Perhaps the new OS/2 will support ipv6 some day. We'll see. What about
the software? I believe people will run ArcaOS because of the old
software. And those don't know anything about ipv6.

I think "bringing OS/2 to the 21st century" means the hardware. It has
been difficult the run the old OS in a modern HW. Perhaps I try ArcaOS
some day. Right now I have no time for it but I'm following the discussion.

And as you know, my old OS/2 can connect the IPv6 world quite ok. With a
help of a proper router. :)

'Tommi

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Hello Tommi,

On Saturday May 20 2017 17:50, you wrote to me:

Perhaps the new OS/2 will support ipv6 some day. We'll see. What about
the software? I believe people will run ArcaOS because of the old software. And those don't know anything about ipv6.

Of course all the old OS/2 software knows nothing about IPv6. One of the reasons I called OS/2 a dead end is because it does not support IPv6. And if the new OS/2 does not support IPv6, that old software will never be upfraded or replaced by IPv6 capable software and continue to be a dead end.

If the new OS/2 /would/ support IPv6, my estiamet is that it would not take all that long for an IPv6 capable OS/2 version of Binkd to emerge...

I think "bringing OS/2 to the 21st century" means the hardware. It has been difficult the run the old OS in a modern HW. Perhaps I try ArcaOS some day. Right now I have no time for it but I'm following the discussion.

The first reports are the the WiFi drivers are missing/malfunctioning....

And as you know, my old OS/2 can connect the IPv6 world quite ok. With
a help of a proper router. :)

Yes, I know. But I consider that a cumbersome work around. Not an excuse for an OS without IPv6.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel!

20 May 17 18:23, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

I think "bringing OS/2 to the 21st century" means the hardware.
It has been difficult the run the old OS in a modern HW. Perhaps
I try ArcaOS some day. Right now I have no time for it but I'm
following the discussion.

The first reports are the the WiFi drivers are
missing/malfunctioning....

But at least Arca is making the ATTEMPT at getting WiFi in place, good, bad, or indifferent. That's more that IBM did.s

Robert


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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

The date that I dedided to no longer buy new network stuff that does
not do IPv6 does not co‹ncide with totally converting my LAN to IPv6.
The conversion of my network to IPv6 was a gradual process that took
many years. It is not entirely complete yet. There is my FON spot that

Yes, I can't even recall exact dates, or even the exact oder of things.

A 21th century OS without IPv6? Sorry, no deal!

Yes, I do agree. Even 10 years ago, lack of IPv6 support would have been dubious at best, as the major OSs already supported it to come extent (Windows XP, Linux, etc). Today, it's standard to the point of being old hat.


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Good ${greeting_time}, Michiel!

20 May 17 15:24, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

MvdV> A 21th century OS without IPv6? Sorry, no deal!

On Warpstock Lewis Rosenthal has told, that IPv6 is not present and will not be, yet they will not receive additional financing. He suggested that those who need it, hold a crowdfunding.

This info from SU.OS2

With best regards, Alexandr.

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Hello Alexandr,

On Monday May 22 2017 13:52, you wrote to me:

On Warpstock Lewis Rosenthal has told, that IPv6 is not present and
will not be, yet they will not receive additional financing. He
suggested that those who need it, hold a crowdfunding.

This info from SU.OS2

Thanks for the info Alexandr.


Cheers, Michiel

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Good ${greeting_time}, Michiel!

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22 May 17 20:08, you wrote to me:

On Warpstock Lewis Rosenthal has told, that IPv6 is not present
and will not be, yet they will not receive additional financing.
He suggested that those who need it, hold a crowdfunding.
This info from SU.OS2

MvdV> Thanks for the info Alexandr.

Not at all =)
I would like to try subj, but i don't have any desire to buy it for test.
And the possibilities =)
Also, Rosenthal said, that allow installing the subject from already purchased images with the proviso that subj will be deleted after the tests ;)

With best regards, Alexandr.

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