• Sage

    From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to All on Sat Apr 23 16:06:09 2016
    Hello All,

    I just completed the he.net certification programme. I an now a certified IPv6 Sage.

    Waiting for the T-shirt. ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Apr 23 17:49:02 2016
    On 23.4.2016 17:06, Michiel van der Vlist - All wrote:

    I just completed the he.net certification programme. I an now a
    certified IPv6 Sage.

    Welcome to the club! :)

    https://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=koivula

    'Tommi

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Apr 23 10:56:51 2016
    Re: Sage
    By: Michiel van der Vlist to All on Sat Apr 23 2016 16:06:09

    I just completed the he.net certification programme. I an now a certified IPv6 Sage.

    Waiting for the T-shirt. ;-)


    Speaking of IPv6, have you tried connecting to me again lately? I sent you a netmail, about the troubleshooting they did here, but wonder if y ou ever got it.

    As well, can you perhaps explain why the ipv6 address changes every once in a while (after rebooting router), but the ethenet address remains the same. (as listed in the nodelist)

    ... A crises is when you CAN'T say let's forget about the whole thing!
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Apr 23 17:15:33 2016
    Hello Tommi,

    On Saturday April 23 2016 17:49, you wrote to me:

    On 23.4.2016 17:06, Michiel van der Vlist - All wrote:

    I just completed the he.net certification programme. I an now a
    certified IPv6 Sage.

    Welcome to the club! :)

    Tnx.

    https://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=koivula

    Ha, my score is higher.

    https://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=Roetzen


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 17:19:12 2016
    Hello Joe,

    On Saturday April 23 2016 10:56, you wrote to me:

    Speaking of IPv6, have you tried connecting to me again lately? I
    sent you a netmail, about the troubleshooting they did here, but
    wonder if y ou ever got it.

    Yes, I got the netmail and I have been trying to connect a couple of times a week. No luck so far.

    As well, can you perhaps explain why the ipv6 address changes every
    once in a while (after rebooting router),

    So maybe that is the problem. I try to connect to 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef

    but the ethenet address remains the same. (as listed in the
    nodelist)

    I am not sure what you mean by the "ethernet address". Do you mean the lower 64 bits of the address? The host part that is based on the MAC address? Yes that would remain the same even if the prefix partm the upper 64 bits are changed by your provider.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Apr 23 13:26:55 2016
    Re: Sage
    By: Michiel van der Vlist to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 2016 17:19:12

    Speaking of IPv6, have you tried connecting to me again lately? I
    sent you a netmail, about the troubleshooting they did here, but
    wonder if y ou ever got it.

    Yes, I got the netmail and I have been trying to connect a couple of times a week. No luck so far.

    As well, can you perhaps explain why the ipv6 address changes every
    once in a while (after rebooting router),

    So maybe that is the problem. I try to connect to 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef

    but the ethenet address remains the same. (as listed in the
    nodelist)

    I am not sure what you mean by the "ethernet address". Do you mean the lower 64
    bits of the address? The host part that is based on the MAC address? Yes that would remain the same even if the prefix partm the upper 64 bits are changed by your provider.

    The address shown by ethernet when you do an IPCONFIG. It is the same as you listed up above.

    This is what is showing when I run a test on one of the test sites IPv6-test or test-ipv6

    your ipv6 address on the publicinternet appears to be 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:4559:9feb:be2e:4668
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Apr 23 13:34:39 2016
    Re: Sage
    By: Joe Delahaye to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Apr 23 2016 13:26:55

    Speaking of IPv6, have you tried connecting to me again lately? I
    sent you a netmail, about the troubleshooting they did here, but
    wonder if y ou ever got it.

    Yes, I got the netmail and I have been trying to connect a couple of
    times a week. No luck so far.

    As well, can you perhaps explain why the ipv6 address changes every
    once in a while (after rebooting router),

    So maybe that is the problem. I try to connect to
    2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef

    but the ethenet address remains the same. (as listed in the
    nodelist)

    I am not sure what you mean by the "ethernet address". Do you mean
    the lower 64
    bits of the address? The host part that is based on the MAC address?
    Yes that would remain the same even if the prefix partm the upper 64
    bits are changed by your provider.

    The address shown by ethernet when you do an IPCONFIG. It is the same as you listed up above.

    This is what is showing when I run a test on one of the test sites IPv6-test or test-ipv6

    your ipv6 address on the publicinternet appears to be 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:4559:9feb:be2e:4668

    Here is what IPCONFIG shows

    Windows IP Configuration


    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : lan
    IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200::1001
    IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef
    Temporary IPv6 Address. . . . . . : 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:4559:9feb:be2e:4668
    Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef%12
    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.101
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : fe80::62e3:27ff:fe39:46d6%12
    192.168.0.1

    Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:9d38:6ab8:10f0:320a:ba5a:5586
    Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::10f0:320a:ba5a:5586%7
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

    Tunnel adapter isatap.lan:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : lan

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 20:07:06 2016
    Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

    Teredo? Don't you have native IPv6?

    Have you tried disabling that?

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Apr 23 21:44:24 2016
    On 23.4.2016 18:15, Michiel van der Vlist wrote:

    I just completed the he.net certification programme. I an now a
    certified IPv6 Sage.

    Welcome to the club! :)

    Tnx.

    https://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=koivula

    Ha, my score is higher.

    https://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=Roetzen

    Irrelevant. T-shirts are what we count! :)

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 16:12:19 2016
    Re: Sage
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 2016 20:07:06

    Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

    Teredo? Don't you have native IPv6?

    Have you tried disabling that?


    Not using Teredo. Router is set to Slaac for WAN. I have no way to turn that off in the router as far as I can see. And yes, I have native
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 22:57:47 2016
    I have no way to turn that
    off in the router as far as I can see.

    Not in your router, no (for obvious reasons) but in your computer.

    For what it's worth, this is what my ipconfig (Win7) looks like:


    IP-konfiguration f”r Windows


    Ethernet-anslutning aiccu:

    Anslutningsspecifika DNS-suffix . :
    IPv6-adress . . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:16d8:ff00:5a7::2
    L„nklokal IPv6-adress . . . . . . : fe80::81be:c120:35f7:3c37%21
    N„tmask . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 169.254.60.55
    N„tmask . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
    Standard-gateway. . . . . . . . . : 2001:16d8:ff00:5a7::1

    Ethernet-anslutning Anslutning till lokalt n„tverk:

    Anslutningsspecifika DNS-suffix . :
    IPv6-adress . . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:5ae7:9e93:4:ac27:f5e1:3088:ee7
    Platslokal IPv6-adress. . . . . . : fec0::4:ac27:f5e1:3088:ee7%1
    Tillf„llig IPv6-adress. . . . . . : 2002:5ae7:9e93:4:18ec:c952:4b8a:42a4
    L„nklokal IPv6-adress . . . . . . : fe80::ac27:f5e1:3088:ee7%11
    IPv4-adress . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.50
    N„tmask . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Standard-gateway. . . . . . . . . : fe80::208:c7ff:fe0d:d2ae%11
    192.168.0.1


    And that's it!

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 16:58:17 2016
    Re: Sage
    By: Joe Delahaye to Bj”rn Felten on Sat Apr 23 2016 16:12:19

    Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

    Teredo? Don't you have native IPv6?

    Have you tried disabling that?


    Not using Teredo. Router is set to Slaac for WAN. I have no way to turn that off in the router as far as I can see. And yes, I have native


    Here is a screen dump of my ipv6 test site

    http://www.delahaye.darktech.org/pictures/IPv6%20screen%20dump.jpg
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 23:05:51 2016
    Here is a screen dump of my ipv6 test site

    What caused the 2 out of 20 that you didn't get?

    Anyway, it seems to me as if there's nothing much wrong with your internet side, so I once again wonder what harm that Teredo tunnel may be causing your system.





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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 23:54:47 2016
    Here is a screen dump of my ipv6 test site

    BTW, I just noticed that you *DID* get an IPv6 connection to me less than an hour ago.

    ^ 23-Apr-2016 22:58:35 CONNECT From 192.168.0.1 #24554
    23-Apr-2016 22:58:35 Establishing BinkP transfer protocol
    23-Apr-2016 22:58:36 M_NUL : OPT NDA EXTCMD CRYPT GZ
    = 23-Apr-2016 22:58:38 Station : The Lion's Den
    = 23-Apr-2016 22:58:38 Address : 1:249/303 1:249/300 1:249/0 1:12/0
    : 23-Apr-2016 22:58:38 SysOp : Joe Delahaye from Trenton, Ont. Cdn
    : 23-Apr-2016 22:58:38 Number : 192.168.0.1

    The 192.168.0.1 means that you got relayed via Relay6 to Tedious here.

    But it also means that you are not using the latest nodelist, or you'd be using the new contact info for 2:203/0 and therefore should be routed to my binkd server rather than to my Tedious.




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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 00:02:25 2016
    Here is a screen dump of my ipv6 test site

    Outgoing IPv6 calls to your system still doesn't work however:

    + 23 Apr 23:59:02 [3668] call to 1:249/303@fidonet
    23 Apr 23:59:02 [3668] trying 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef [2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef]...
    ? 23 Apr 23:59:23 [3668] connection to 1:249/303@fidonet failed: {W32 API error 10060} Connection timed out
    23 Apr 23:59:24 [3668] trying lionsden.darktech.org [69.165.170.121]...
    23 Apr 23:59:24 [3668] connected



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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 18:12:02 2016
    Re: Sage
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 2016 23:05:51

    What caused the 2 out of 20 that you didn't get?

    Anyway, it seems to me as if there's nothing much wrong with your
    internet side, so I once again wonder what harm that Teredo tunnel may be causing your system.


    The ICMP filtering caused the missing 2. I dont know where that suddenly came from either. Previous working setup did not have that filtered
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 18:14:15 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Sat Apr 23 2016 23:54:47

    BTW, I just noticed that you *DID* get an IPv6 connection to me less than an
    hour ago.

    ^ 23-Apr-2016 22:58:35 CONNECT From 192.168.0.1 #24554
    23-Apr-2016 22:58:35 Establishing BinkP transfer protocol
    23-Apr-2016 22:58:36 M_NUL : OPT NDA EXTCMD CRYPT GZ
    = 23-Apr-2016 22:58:38 Station : The Lion's Den
    = 23-Apr-2016 22:58:38 Address : 1:249/303 1:249/300 1:249/0 1:12/0
    : 23-Apr-2016 22:58:38 SysOp : Joe Delahaye from Trenton, Ont. Cdn
    : 23-Apr-2016 22:58:38 Number : 192.168.0.1

    The 192.168.0.1 means that you got relayed via Relay6 to Tedious here.

    But it also means that you are not using the latest nodelist, or you'd be using the new contact info for 2:203/0 and therefore should be routed to my binkd server rather than to my Tedious.

    I have you as a contact in my binkd contact list, and that has the original info. I do use the additional binkd.txt file that is hatched weekly though. I'll find the new info an change it.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 18:15:12 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 00:02:25

    Outgoing IPv6 calls to your system still doesn't work however:

    + 23 Apr 23:59:02 [3668] call to 1:249/303@fidonet
    23 Apr 23:59:02 [3668] trying 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef [2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef]...
    ? 23 Apr 23:59:23 [3668] connection to 1:249/303@fidonet failed: {W32 API error
    10060} Connection timed out
    23 Apr 23:59:24 [3668] trying lionsden.darktech.org [69.165.170.121]...
    23 Apr 23:59:24 [3668] connected

    Did you try the address in the screendump?
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 00:23:49 2016
    Did you try the address in the screendump?

    Alas, no I didn't. I'm awaiting the proper info in the nodelist to resolve properly for the time being... 8-)






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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 18:28:53 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Joe Delahaye to Bj”rn Felten on Sat Apr 23 2016 18:14:15

    But it also means that you are not using the latest nodelist, or
    you'd be using the new contact info for 2:203/0 and therefore should
    be routed to my binkd server rather than to my Tedious.

    I have you as a contact in my binkd contact list, and that has the original info. I do use the additional binkd.txt file that is hatched weekly though. I'll find the new info an change it.

    I h ave you listed with the eljaco address, and that is what is showing in the latest nodelist here
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 00:40:10 2016
    I have you as a contact in my binkd contact list, and that has the original
    info. I do use the additional binkd.txt file that is hatched weekly though.
    I'll find the new info an change it.

    So you don't have a separate password include file then?

    I have all my contacts listed there, and then I have the complete binkd nodelist file on top of that.

    Like this:

    #
    # Include a file
    #
    include binkd.inc
    include pass.inc

    E.g. in the pass.inc:

    Node 1:249/0@fidonet - xxxxxxxx -
    Node 1:249/303@fidonet - xxxxxxxx -

    (Notice the two hyphens, very important.)

    ...and then binkd will override the info in binkd.inc whenever it is updated (once a week).

    I can really recommend such a setup. Before I started using it, it was a real PITA having everything updated. Now it works like a charm.








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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 00:45:17 2016
    I h ave you listed with the eljaco address, and that is what is showing
    in the latest nodelist here

    No changed IBN flag then, something like from just IBN to IBN:24555?

    OK, I guess that means I'll have to wait at least another week before the Z1 calls to my system will begin to end up properly? 8-)






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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Apr 24 00:38:58 2016
    Hello Tommi,

    On Saturday April 23 2016 21:44, you wrote to me:

    Ha, my score is higher.

    https://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=Roetzen

    Irrelevant. T-shirts are what we count! :)

    And you got the T-shirt and I do not have it yet. So you are ahead of me.

    [ But I upped my score to 904 in the meantime, ;-) ]


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 19:09:08 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 00:40:10

    So you don't have a separate password include file then?

    I have all my contacts listed there, and then I have the complete binkd nodelist file on top of that.

    Like this:

    #
    # Include a file
    #
    include binkd.inc
    include pass.inc

    E.g. in the pass.inc:

    Node 1:249/0@fidonet-xxxxxxxx-
    Node 1:249/303@fidonet-xxxxxxxx-

    (Notice the two hyphens, very important.)

    ...and then binkd will override the info in binkd.inc whenever it is updated
    (once a week).

    I have you listed, along with all my contacts right in the config file, complete with address and password. I also have an include file, as I said, that is published weekly. Binkd.txt
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 19:13:51 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 00:45:17

    No changed IBN flag then, something like from just IBN to IBN:24555?

    OK, I guess that means I'll have to wait at least another week before the Z1 calls to my system will begin to end up properly? 8-)

    Now that you mention that, yes that is there.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 01:16:27 2016
    Now that you mention that, yes that is there.

    Thanks a million, Joe!

    WOW! So what's taking you Z1 guys so long then? 8-)






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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 23 19:53:42 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 01:16:27

    Now that you mention that, yes that is there.

    Thanks a million, Joe!

    WOW! So what's taking you Z1 guys so long then? 8-)


    Nobody uses the nodelist any longer??? Binkd doesnt, so nobody would ever notice, especially if a contact is hard wired into the setup.

    ... Frank Beard is the only member of ZZ Top without a beard.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 02:27:00 2016
    Nobody uses the nodelist any longer??? Binkd doesnt

    Well, at least one less than nobody does.

    Every time I get an official nodediff from Ward and then compile a new nodelist for my three different systems, my system now also compiles a new binkd.inc with all the newest nodelist info in it.

    As a responsible RC I would probably be expected of nothing less, or I'd be fired on the spot...

    Isn't that right Benny, Tommy or Torbj”rn? The three former Scandinavian RCs that gave me the responsibility to handle the entire Scandinavia as R20, formerly just Sweden.





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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun Apr 24 03:06:56 2016
    Tommy

    My apologies Tommi, a slip on the keyboard a late Saturday evening...



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 12:37:50 2016
    On 24/04/2016 9:53 AM, 1:249/303 wrote:

    Now that you mention that, yes that is there.

    Thanks a million, Joe!

    WOW! So what's taking you Z1 guys so long then? 8-)


    Nobody uses the nodelist any longer??? Binkd doesnt, so nobody would ever notice, especially if a contact is hard wired into the setup.

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Bj÷rn Felten on Sun Apr 24 13:37:28 2016

    On 24.4.2016 4:06, Björny Felten wrote:

    Tommy

    My apologies Tommi, a slip on the keyboard a late Saturday evening...

    I'd say Sunday morning.. :D

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Apr 24 13:43:46 2016
    On 24.4.2016 1:38, Michiel van der Vlist - Tommi Koivula:

    Irrelevant. T-shirts are what we count! :)

    MvdV> And you got the T-shirt and I do not have it yet. So you are ahead of me.

    Had to browse back...

    This is what I wrote "Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:35:58 +0200"

    "Just today I received my T-Shirt from Hurricane Electric."

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Apr 24 14:28:13 2016
    Hello Tommi,

    On Sunday April 24 2016 13:43, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> And you got the T-shirt and I do not have it yet. So you are
    MvdV>> ahead of me.

    Had to browse back...

    This is what I wrote "Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:35:58 +0200"

    "Just today I received my T-Shirt from Hurricane Electric."

    Almost three month ago... Well, anyway, you and another guy in a Dutch forum were inspiration to finally complete te course. I made it to Enthousiast five years ago and then I had to take the hurdle of having an e-mail address on a mail server that can be reached via IPv6.I could not take that hurdle then and I forgot about it. So... yesterday I thought let's have another look at it. And to my surprise, I managed to step through all the levels in one rainy afternoon. ;-)



    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/0 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Apr 24 15:58:16 2016

    24 Apr 16 14:28, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    This is what I wrote "Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:35:58 +0200"

    "Just today I received my T-Shirt from Hurricane Electric."

    Almost three month ago...

    Well, 3+12. Time flies. :)

    Well, anyway, you and another guy in a Dutch
    forum were inspiration to finally complete te course. I made it to Enthousiast five years ago and then I had to take the hurdle of having an e-mail address on a mail server that can be reached via IPv6.I could not take that hurdle then and I forgot about it. So... yesterday I thought let's have another look at it. And to my surprise, I managed to step through all the levels in one rainy afternoon. ;-)

    When I got the HE account not so many years ago, I noticed that they blocked port 25. I was told that I must be sage to get it opened. So I did. ;)

    'Tommi

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Björn Felten on Sun Apr 24 09:49:01 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 02:27:00

    Every time I get an official nodediff from Ward and then compile a new nodelist for my three different systems, my system now also compiles a new binkd.inc with all the newest nodelist info in it.

    As a responsible RC I would probably be expected of nothing less, or I'd be fired on the spot...


    The only thing you are required to do is to make the nodelist available as it is published, I do that, along with the nodediff. I pass either or both on to whomever wants it, and it is available for download. I still do compile the nodelist each week, as I sometimes use the Intermail editor, which DOES use the nodelist, as does Taurus which I use for dialup.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to David Drummond on Sun Apr 24 09:50:03 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: David Drummond to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 12:37:50

    Nobody uses the nodelist any longer??? Binkd doesnt, so nobody
    would ever notice, especially if a contact is hard wired into the
    setup.

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Apr 24 15:37:08 2016
    Hello Tommi,

    On Sunday April 24 2016 15:58, you wrote to me:

    "Just today I received my T-Shirt from Hurricane Electric."

    Almost three month ago...

    Well, 3+12. Time flies. :)

    Oops.., ;-)

    When I got the HE account not so many years ago, I noticed that they blocked port 25. I was told that I must be sage to get it opened. So I did. ;)

    Rumour has it that they also block IRC if you are not a a sage. I wonder what else they block. I can have some sympathy for blocking port 25. If you do not know what you are doing, you might become an accomplice in spreading spam. It is a good incentive. But IRC?


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 15:58:46 2016
    Hello Joe!

    Apr 24 09:50 2016, Joe Delahaye wrote to David Drummond:

    Nobody uses the nodelist any longer??? Binkd doesnt, so nobody
    would ever notice, especially if a contact is hard wired into the
    setup.

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than others. Can anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of awk :)

    Cheers,
    Markus

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Apr 24 17:41:00 2016
    Good ${greeting_time}, Michiel!

    24 Apr 2016 15:37:08, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    When I got the HE account not so many years ago, I noticed that
    they blocked port 25. I was told that I must be sage to get it
    opened. So I did. ;)
    MvdV> Rumour has it that they also block IRC if you are not a a sage.
    MvdV> I wonder what else they block. I can have some sympathy for
    MvdV> blocking port 25. If you do not know what you are doing, you
    MvdV> might become an accomplice in spreading spam. It is a good
    MvdV> incentive. But IRC?

    IRC is commonly used as a control channel for spam robots.


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Markus Reschke on Sun Apr 24 12:29:16 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Markus Reschke to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 15:58:46

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than others. Can anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of awk :)

    Well, I dont have Bash as of yet (it's coming), since I dont do Nix <G>
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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Sun Apr 24 18:18:22 2016
    Hi Michiel!

    23 Apr 2016 16:06, from Michiel van der Vlist -> All:

    I just completed the he.net certification programme. I an now a
    certified IPv6 Sage.
    Waiting for the T-shirt. ;-)
    ;)

    Congratulation

    I am still only professional, as my DNS provider has no AAAA DNS servers.
    And I am still too lazy to change the provider :(

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Apr 24 20:00:06 2016

    24 Apr 16 15:37, you wrote to me:

    "Just today I received my T-Shirt from Hurricane Electric."

    Almost three month ago...

    Well, 3+12. Time flies. :)

    Oops.., ;-)

    Indeed. ;-)

    When I got the HE account not so many years ago, I noticed that they
    blocked port 25. I was told that I must be sage to get it opened. So I
    did. ;)

    Rumour has it that they also block IRC if you are not a a sage. I wonder what else they block. I can have some sympathy for blocking port 25. If you
    do not know what you are doing, you might become an accomplice in spreading
    spam. It is a good incentive. But IRC?

    I can understand the blocking of dns and smtp, but I cannot understand if isp's don't unblock by request. The way of HE is very ok. :)

    IRC may be used for anything nasty, spambots etc.

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 19:56:08 2016

    24 Apr 16 12:29, you wrote to Markus Reschke:

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than others. Can
    anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of awk :)

    Well, I dont have Bash as of yet (it's coming), since I dont do Nix <G>

    What? A windoze user without cygwin? <g>

    'Tommi

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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 13:33:05 2016
    On Sun Apr-24-2016 12:29, Joe Delahaye (1:249/303) wrote to Markus Reschke:

    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Markus Reschke to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 15:58:46

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than
    others. Can anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of
    awk :)

    Well, I dont have Bash as of yet (it's coming), since I dont do Nix


    You're getting Bikers Against Statewide Hunger? How is that going to work?


    Regards,

    Roger
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Apr 24 16:19:06 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Tommi Koivula to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 19:56:08

    Well, I dont have Bash as of yet (it's coming), since I dont do Nix
    <G>

    What? A windoze user without cygwin? <g>


    If its an add on, I likely do not have it <G> I have never used it in any case.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Roger Nelson on Sun Apr 24 16:19:50 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Roger Nelson to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 13:33:05

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than
    others. Can anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of
    awk :)

    Well, I dont have Bash as of yet (it's coming), since I dont do Nix


    You're getting Bikers Against Statewide Hunger? How is that going to work?

    Very well. Only problem I have is lack of parking space <G>
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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Markus Reschke on Sun Apr 24 23:00:32 2016
    Hello Markus!

    24 Apr 16 15:58, you wrote to Joe Delahaye:

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than others. Can anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of awk :)

    You get extra lines by including Nodes that are Down or on Hold. :(

    I get fewer lines, as I exclude lines where Hostnames does not resolve.


    Kees

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452.1 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Apr 24 16:29:54 2016
    Tommi Koivula wrote in a message to Joe Delahaye:

    What? A windoze user without cygwin? <g>

    You just gave Joe his next project. ;) Joe... cygwin does work I used it for a lot of stuff before I found Fedora. I did have bash and awk working but I never tried a script like the one we're talking about.

    Shawn
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Joe Delahaye on Mon Apr 25 07:36:22 2016
    On 24/04/2016 11:50 PM, Joe Delahaye -> David Drummond wrote:

    Nobody uses the nodelist any longer??? Binkd doesnt, so nobody
    would ever notice, especially if a contact is hard wired into the
    setup.

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    So someone else derives it. One would think that it reflected the data in that latest nodelist.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Joe Delahaye on Mon Apr 25 07:38:42 2016
    On 25/04/2016 2:29 AM, Joe Delahaye -> Markus Reschke wrote:
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Markus Reschke to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 15:58:46

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than others. Can
    anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of awk :)

    Well, I dont have Bash as of yet (it's coming), since I dont do Nix <G>

    I wrote one in PERL years ago, when I ran binbkd. I don't run that now and don't know what I did with the code - but PERL will run on windows.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to David Drummond on Mon Apr 25 07:40:41 2016
    On 25/04/2016 7:38 AM, David Drummond -> Joe Delahaye wrote:

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than
    others. Can
    anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of awk :)

    Well, I dont have Bash as of yet (it's coming), since I dont do
    Nix <G>

    I wrote one in PERL years ago, when I ran binbkd. I don't run that now
    and don't know what I did with the code - but PERL will run on windows.


    Failed to include:

    But as you get a fresh one each week you don't need to compile your own.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Bj÷rn Felten on Mon Apr 25 00:38:38 2016
    Hello Björn!

    24 Apr 2016 02:27, Björn Felten wrote to Joe Delahaye:

    Isn't that right Benny, Tommy or Torbjörn? The three former
    Scandinavian RCs that gave me the responsibility to handle the entire Scandinavia as R20, formerly just Sweden.

    qico use dns hostnames in binkp.net

    f0.n20.z2.binkp.net


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Richard Menedetter on Mon Apr 25 00:14:06 2016
    Hello Richard,

    On Sunday April 24 2016 18:18, you wrote to me:

    certified IPv6 Sage. Waiting for the T-shirt. ;-)
    ;)

    Congratulation

    Thank you.

    I am still only professional, as my DNS provider has no AAAA DNS
    servers. And I am still too lazy to change the provider :(

    Ah... I do bussines with two DNS providers. eurodns.com and transip.nl. Both offer full ipv6 capable dns servers. Oddly enough eurodns doen not have AAAA records for their e-mail servers. So I had to use the e-mail adress (pa0mmv at vrza dot nl) that comes with my membership of the Dutch Amateur Radio Society (VRZA) to pass the IPv6 e-mail test. When have some spare time, I will confront eurodns with this ommission.

    And so should you. Jeroen Massar of SixXs is right: we should let our providers, Internet Access Providers, DNS providers, VOIP providers, content or whatever providers, know that we are no longer satisfied with IPv4 only. And we should let them know that they are not the only fish in the sea. Changing access provider may not be an attractive option for some, but changing DNS provider should be no problem. In fact that is what did with StartHosting early 2014. I gave them ample time, more than a year to get moving, but I told them that if there was no visible progress bij March 2015, I would take my bussiness elsewhere. And that is what I did...



    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Alexey Vissarionov on Mon Apr 25 00:43:52 2016
    Hello Alexey,

    On Sunday April 24 2016 17:41, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> I wonder what else they block. I can have some sympathy for
    MvdV>> blocking port 25. If you do not know what you are doing, you
    MvdV>> might become an accomplice in spreading spam. It is a good
    MvdV>> incentive. But IRC?

    IRC is commonly used as a control channel for spam robots.

    Ah, OK...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Apr 25 00:44:39 2016
    Hello Tommi,

    On Sunday April 24 2016 20:00, you wrote to me:

    I can understand the blocking of dns and smtp, but I cannot understand
    if isp's don't unblock by request. The way of HE is very ok. :)

    My ISP (Ziggo) blocks port 25, but only for outgoing and they allow you to use their SMTP server as a relay. So you can run your own mail server. But I would prefer it if they would unblock on request. If need be on presentation of my he.net Sage badge. ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Shawn Highfield on Sun Apr 24 19:27:28 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Shawn Highfield to Tommi Koivula on Sun Apr 24 2016 16:29:54

    What? A windoze user without cygwin? <g>

    You just gave Joe his next project. ;) Joe... cygwin does work I used it for a lot of stuff before I found Fedora. I did have bash and awk working but I never tried a script like the one we're talking about.

    Batch files will do a lot of stuff as well. I still use some GWBasic programs on this board, run from a batch file of course. I'm amazed they still work in Windoze 10.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to David Drummond on Sun Apr 24 19:28:25 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: David Drummond to Joe Delahaye on Mon Apr 25 2016 07:36:22

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    So someone else derives it. One would think that it reflected the data in that latest nodelist.


    It does, and it is.
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to David Drummond on Sun Apr 24 19:29:42 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: David Drummond to Joe Delahaye on Mon Apr 25 2016 07:38:42

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than
    others.
    Can
    anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of awk :)

    Well, I dont have Bash as of yet (it's coming), since I dont do Nix
    <G>

    I wrote one in PERL years ago, when I ran binbkd. I don't run that now and don't know what I did with the code - but PERL will run on windows.


    I am aware. I am running some perl scripts. There is one in my personal web site as well <G>
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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to David Drummond on Sun Apr 24 19:31:18 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: David Drummond to David Drummond on Mon Apr 25 2016 07:40:41

    Failed to include:

    But as you get a fresh one each week you don't need to compile your own.


    This is true. I also have those contacts I connect with daily inside the binkd config file with passwords. Those supercede whatever else is added, it seems --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/119 to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 15:56:06 2016
    Hello Joe!

    Sunday April 24 2016 09:50, Joe Delahaye wrote to David Drummond:

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    The BINKD.TXT is generated from the nodelist each week using a a perl script originally written by Jerry Schwartz, my predecessor as RC16.

    Andrew

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/361.3001 to Shawn Highfield on Mon Apr 25 08:33:57 2016
    On 24.4.2016 16:29, Shawn Highfield wrote:

    What? A windoze user without cygwin? <g>

    You just gave Joe his next project. ;) Joe... cygwin does work I
    used it for a lot of stuff before I found Fedora.

    Yep. Nowadays after installing windows it is the very next task to
    install cygwin. ;)

    If someone doesn't know what cygwin is: https://www.cygwin.com/

    'Tommi

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Apr 25 17:43:00 2016
    Tommi Koivula wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Yep. Nowadays after installing windows it is the very next task to
    install cygwin. ;)

    I used to use Cygwin a lot. Nowadays, I have a heap of Linux boxes around. :D


    ... Information deteriorates upward through bureaucracies.
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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Kees van Eeten on Mon Apr 25 11:20:34 2016
    Hello Kees!

    Apr 24 23:00 2016, Kees van Eeten wrote to Markus Reschke:

    Some tools can extract more binkp nodes from the nodelist than
    others. Can anyone beat NL2BINKD? It's a bash script with lots of awk
    :)

    You get extra lines by including Nodes that are Down or on Hold. :(

    Yep, some like them included, others don't. I could add a switch for filtering them to please all.

    I get fewer lines, as I exclude lines where Hostnames does not
    resolve.

    Could be another switch :) But I'm not sure, because a node could have a boken DNS entry today and have it fixed by tomorrow. Or the entry could be broken for several months. We simply don't know. And even if the entry resolves it doesn't mean that the IP address is correct. Actually we would also have to check if a binkd is listening. Same story here, binkd might be crashed today and fixed by tomorrow or the IP address could be wrong. How should we deal with these nodes?

    Regards,
    Markus

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Markus Reschke on Mon Apr 25 12:06:56 2016
    Hello Markus,

    On Monday April 25 2016 11:20, you wrote to Kees van Eeten:

    I get fewer lines, as I exclude lines where Hostnames does not
    resolve.

    Could be another switch :) But I'm not sure, because a node could have
    a boken DNS entry today and have it fixed by tomorrow.

    So run the script on a daily basis with the DAILYLST.

    Actually we would also have to check if a binkd is listening. Same
    story here, binkd might be crashed today and fixed by tomorrow or the
    IP address could be wrong. How should we deal with these nodes?

    It is not "we" - the Fidonet IPv6 community - that has to deal with this. It is the job of the nodelist clercks to keep tho nodelist accurate and up to date.

    But... to get back on topic, you could add another switch; one that looks for the INO4 flag in the nodelist and excludes those nodes. So that IPv4 only nodes do not attempt to call an IPv6 only node.

    Or for the more distant future: check against the list of IPv6 nodes, and exclude all others.

    OTOH, by the time we have nodes that can not make outgoing calls om IPv4, the list of IPv6 nodes is too big to be maintained in its present form, IPv6 capability will be the default and we will have an INO6 flag to signal the exceptions in the nodelist...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Markus Reschke on Mon Apr 25 12:31:48 2016
    Hello Markus!

    25 Apr 16 11:20, you wrote to me:

    Yep, some like them included, others don't. I could add a switch for filtering them to please all.

    Well, don't listen to me, I roll my own anyway.

    I get fewer lines, as I exclude lines where Hostnames does not
    resolve.

    Could be another switch :) But I'm not sure, because a node could have a boken DNS entry today and have it fixed by tomorrow.

    I derive my "binkd.txt" file from the daily nodelist.

    Or the entry could be broken for several months.

    And years, those show up in my regular nag lists. ;)

    We simply don't know. And even if the entry
    resolves it doesn't mean that the IP address is correct. Actually we
    would
    also have to check if a binkd is listening.

    That is still on my todo list. I am still hesitating as the methods available
    are quite intrusive, even when stealth modes are used.

    Same story here, binkd might
    be crashed today and fixed by tomorrow or the IP address could be
    wrong.
    How should we deal with these nodes?

    In the end Binkd has the last word. If it cannot connect, it will not deliver.
    Observing the outgoing queue will tell you that something is wrong.

    As an aside I do add the "-6" flag in a separate process, for those nodes,
    where their implemantation if IPv6 defaults to using IPv4 first.
    Unfortunately a manua list must be maintained to accomplish that.

    Kees

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Andrew Leary on Mon Apr 25 18:15:05 2016
    Re: IPv6 problems
    By: Andrew Leary to Joe Delahaye on Sun Apr 24 2016 15:56:06

    Don't you derive your binkd.txt from the weekly nodelist?

    No, I receive it here weekly along with the nodelist and nodediff.

    The BINKD.TXT is generated from the nodelist each week using a a perl script originally written by Jerry Schwartz, my predecessor as RC16.


    Oh I knew somebody did it, but it wasnt me <G>
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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/119 to Michiel van der Vlist on Mon Apr 25 19:04:02 2016
    Hello Michiel!

    Monday April 25 2016 12:06, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Markus Reschke:

    MvdV> OTOH, by the time we have nodes that can not make outgoing calls om
    MvdV> IPv4, the list of IPv6 nodes is too big to be maintained in its
    MvdV> present form, IPv6 capability will be the default and we will have an
    MvdV> INO6 flag to signal the exceptions in the nodelist...

    I find it more likely that there will be nodes that cannot accept incoming IPv4 calls, due to being behind a CGNAT of some type. It will be quite a while before IPv4 support is dropped entirely.

    Andrew

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Tue Apr 26 10:48:20 2016
    Hi Michiel!

    25 Apr 2016 00:44, from Michiel van der Vlist -> Tommi Koivula:

    My ISP (Ziggo) blocks port 25, but only for outgoing

    I guess you mean incoming. (From Internet to you)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Apr 26 11:00:54 2016
    Hello Richard,

    On Tuesday April 26 2016 10:48, you wrote to me:

    My ISP (Ziggo) blocks port 25, but only for outgoing

    I guess you mean incoming. (From Internet to you)

    No, I mean outgoing. They block outgoing traffic on port 25, except for their own SMTP server. So you can run your own mail server but have to use their SMPT server as a relay for outgoing.

    Well, as long as we are still using tunnels... SIxXs blocks nothing. he.net has unblocked port 25 for me since I am a Sage. So I can run an IPv6 mail server and not bothered by my ISP. ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Andrew Leary on Tue Apr 26 12:35:49 2016
    Hello Andrew,

    On Monday April 25 2016 19:04, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> IPv6 capability will be the default and we will have an INO6 flag
    MvdV>> to signal the exceptions in the nodelist...

    I find it more likely that there will be nodes that cannot accept
    incoming IPv4 calls, due to being behind a CGNAT of some type.

    Of course we will see those in the coming years. ISPs in Austria, Germany and The Netherlands are already putting new customers on DS-Lite. They may do the same for existing customers when they realise they can ask extra money for a public IPv4 address. Nodes on a DS-Lite connection should fly the INO4 flag.

    But I was thinking further ahead.

    It will be quite a while before IPv4 support is dropped entirely.

    We may not live to see that, but we may live to see it no longer being supported by all. Yes, we will see Fidonet nodes that can not accpet incoming on IPv4, but that can still make outgoing IPv4 call from behind their CGNAT. But.. when everyone one else is in that position, who are they going to call on IPv4?

    The added value of supporting outgoing IPv4 rapidly drops when the number of nodes that can accept incoming IPv4 drops. The same happened to POTS. Here in R28 there are just two nodes left that still support POTS. For all the others the added value does not outweigh the cost and effort to maintain POTS connectivity. Even more for ISDN. My host dropped X75 support. His line still supports it, but he is the only one in R28, so there is no added value any more in offfering X75. ISDN was very popular in western Europe, but it is an outgoing technology.

    What happens now to POTS and ISDN will happen to IPv4 as well, The Internet backbones may still support it for a very long time, but the added value for the end user will rapidly drop when IPv6 breaks through and so what we will see is that manufacturers of CPE will quitly drop IPv4 support and most customers will never notice. IPv6 only equipment is cheaper to make and to maintain than dual stack equipment and when manufacturers think they can get away with saving a few bucks by dropping IPv4, they will do it.

    My guess is that will happen between five and ten years from now.

    So then IPv6 will be the default connection method for Fidonet. The majority will no longer support incoming IPv4 calls and so it makes sense to drop the INO4 flag and replace it by an IPv4 flag signallng that this is the exception that still accepts incoming IPv4. When applicable those nodes may also fly an INO6 flag.

    Of course nodes that have no IPv6 and do not accept incoming IPv4 have the connectivity of a Private node and should be treated as such.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Markus Reschke on Tue Apr 26 14:39:46 2016
    Hello Markus!

    I noticed the following out put in nl2binkp

    Node 1:249/303 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef;lionsden.darktech.org -

    The IPv6 address should be encased in square brackets.
    FRL-1036 mentions this for use in the Nodelist. Apparently the developers
    of binkd followed this advice for the binkd specific nodelist as well.

    Node 2:6001/9 node9.fido.bryansk.su:443node9.fido.bryansk.su:8080 -

    For some odd reason the semicolon is missing after 443

    I used both NL2BINKP and NL2BNKP2 as found on Ulrich's server.

    Kees

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Apr 26 15:16:08 2016
    I noticed the following output in nl2binkp

    Node 1:249/303 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef;lionsden.darktech.org -

    Looks OK here:

    Node 1:249/303@fidonet [2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef];lionsden.darktech.org;lionsden.darktech.org -

    Node 2:6001/9 node9.fido.bryansk.su:443node9.fido.bryansk.su:8080 -

    Same here (looks OK):

    Node 2:6001/9@fidonet node9.fido.bryansk.su:443;node9.fido.bryansk.su:8080 -

    I used both NL2BINKP and NL2BNKP2 as found on Ulrich's server.

    You probably know what I am using...? 8-)




    ..

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Kees van Eeten on Tue Apr 26 15:58:04 2016
    Hi Kees!

    Apr 26 14:39 2016, Kees van Eeten wrote to Markus Reschke:

    I noticed the following out put in nl2binkp

    Thanks for the bug report!

    Node 1:249/303 2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef;lionsden.darktech.org -

    The IPv6 address should be encased in square brackets.
    FRL-1036 mentions this for use in the Nodelist. Apparently the developers of binkd followed this advice for the binkd specific
    nodelist as well.

    Ah, I missed that.

    Node 2:6001/9 node9.fido.bryansk.su:443node9.fido.bryansk.su:8080 -

    For some odd reason the semicolon is missing after 443

    It's a logic bug, actually at two locations.

    Both issues are fixed in v1.07 and I've also added a switch to filter nodes which are down or on hold.

    cu,
    Markus

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tue Apr 26 16:05:42 2016
    Hello Björn!

    Apr 26 15:16 2016, Björn Felten wrote to Kees van Eeten:

    Looks OK here:

    Node 1:249/303@fidonet
    [2607:f2c0:f00e:4200:f9e0:b9ff:6166:c8ef]; lionsden.darktech.org;lionsden.darktech.org -

    Not really ;) You need some deduplication function :)

    Regards,
    Markus

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Markus Reschke on Tue Apr 26 16:20:31 2016
    lionsden.darktech.org;lionsden.darktech.org -

    Not really ;) You need some deduplication function :)

    It's called redundancy. 8-)

    But you are right of course.

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