• ARIN's well has run dry

    From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to All on Thu Sep 24 17:59:17 2015
    Hello All,

    It is done. This morning they still has 4 /24 left. Now it is all gone:

    https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_countdown.html

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/24/arin_ipv4_interview_ipv6/


    Get ready for IPv6 folks!

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Sep 25 16:40:54 2015
    MvdV> It is done. This morning they still has 4 /24 left. Now it is all gone:

    As was expected, you can still get ONE IPv4 address -- if you are willing to pay $10-12 per address.

    The ISPs are really sucking as much money out of this as they can...

    Typical western style capitalism. Create an artificial shortage and make lots of money on the resulting supply and demand economy.

    Whatever happened to the old internet wants to be free spirit...?

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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Bj÷rn Felten on Fri Sep 25 19:21:16 2015
    Hello Björn!

    25 Sep 2015 17:40, Björn Felten wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

    MvdV>> It is done. This morning they still has 4 /24 left. Now it is all
    MvdV>> gone:

    As was expected, you can still get ONE IPv4 address -- if you are willing to pay $10-12 per address.

    in danmark i payed 37 kr pr static ip, not just for the one adsl line, so when i had 12 public ips (one /30 + one /29) total 12 ips, but only 6 can be used for incoming, if that 12 ips was assigned via dhcp static config there would be saved 6 ips ! (50% waste)

    The ISPs are really sucking as much money out of this as they
    can...

    dont tell them how many ipv6 addresses thay could sell :=)

    Typical western style capitalism. Create an artificial shortage and make lots of money on the resulting supply and demand economy.

    so we are western now ?

    Whatever happened to the old internet wants to be free spirit...?

    its gone, but you can still get isdn here in danmark so not all are gone yet, its just who to call then :=)

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    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Fri Sep 25 23:55:51 2015
    Hello Bj”rn,

    On Friday September 25 2015 16:40, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> It is done. This morning they still has 4 /24 left. Now it is
    MvdV>> all gone:

    As was expected, you can still get ONE IPv4 address -- if you are willing to pay $10-12 per address.

    The ISPs are really sucking as much money out of this as they
    can...

    Of course it was expected. We have seen this coming for at least a decade. We didn't know when exactly it was going to happen, but that it would happen was a certainty.

    And, yes there is a market for IPv4 adresses, there is demand and there is supply, so there is a price. The going rate is indeed some EUR 10,-

    Typical western style capitalism. Create an artificial shortage and make lots of money on the resulting supply and demand economy.

    I disagree with your analysis that the ISP's are milking this cow and that the shortage is artificially created. As I see it, there is nothing artificial about the shortage. It is simply a well running dry. Yes, the ISP are dragging their feet in the introduction of IPv6. But I do not see how that is to their financial advantage. As I see it, they only benefit in the short run. In the long run the late adopters are at a disadvantage. The longer they wait, the steeper the slope they have to climb to catch up. That costs...

    Whatever happened to the old internet wants to be free spirit...?

    The internet was never free. To function, the Internet needs hardware, it needs copper or fibre to connect things and it needs electricity. It also needs people to do the maintenance. All that can not be free. If it ever appeared to be free that was because someone else was paying the bill.

    So.. How is your ISP (Telia?) doing with IPv6. Have they mentioned an introduction date?

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Sep 26 14:16:08 2015
    MvdV> So.. How is your ISP (Telia?) doing with IPv6. Have they mentioned an
    MvdV> introduction date?

    Not that I have seen anywhere, no.

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