Hello All,

Husky users' census is needed to understand who uses which versions and in which operating systems. It will take place simultaneously in the Russian-speaking echo RU.HUSKY and in the English-speaking FIDOSOFT.HUSKY. Please answer only in one of these. The more Husky users will take part in this
action, the more complete the picture will be, and the decisions taken on the basis of the results of the census will be more justified. Below I have brought
questions and my answers to these questions. Please, quote the questions only and give your answers.

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt 1.9.0-cur 21-02-18
htick 1.9.0-cur 20-04-17
msged -

2. Please indicate in which version of which operating system you are running the above programs.

CentOS Linux 7.5.1804.

Michael

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Hi Michael!

Oct 01 19:53 2018, Michael Dukelsky wrote to All:

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt 1.9.0-cur private fork
htick 1.9.0-cur private fork
msged 6.1.2 private fork

2. Please indicate in which version of which operating system you are running the above programs.

Linux, Debian 8

ciao,
Markus

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01 Oct 18 19:53, Michael Dukelsky wrote to All:

Hello All,

Husky users' census is needed to understand who uses which versions and in which operating systems. It will take place simultaneously in the Russian-speaking echo RU.HUSKY and in the English-speaking FIDOSOFT.HUSKY. Please answer only in one of these. The more Husky users will take part in this action, the more complete the picture will be, and the decisions taken on the basis of the results of the census will be more justified. Below I have brought questions and my answers to these questions. Please, quote the questions only and give your answers.

Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS :
hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2018-09-09

OS/2 WARP 4.52 :
hpt/os2-emx 1.9.0-cur 2018-09-09
htick/os2-emx 1.9.0-cur 2017-04-20

Windows 2003 Server R2 SP2 32bit :
hpt/w32-mvc 1.9.0-cur 2018-09-09
htick/w32-mvc 1.9.0-cur 2017-04-20

All of these compiled from the current github source.

'Tommi

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Hi Michael!

01 Oct 2018 19:53, from Michael Dukelsky -> All:

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt 1.9.0-cur 21-02-18
htick 1.9.0-cur 20-04-17
msged -

Ubuntu 16.04
hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 04-11-15
htick/lnx 1.9.0-cur 17-08-15
msged -

Debian 8
hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 24-06-16
htick/lnx 1.9.0-cur 17-08-15
msged -

I think I should update ;)

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Michael,

On Monday October 01 2018 at 19:53, you wrote to All:

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 17-02-17
htick/lnx 1.9.0-cur 13-02-17

2. Please indicate in which version of which operating system you are running the above programs.

Debian GNU/Linux 9.5

Best regards,
Niels

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Hello Michael!

01 Oct 18 19:53, you wrote to All:

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 17-02-17
htick/lnx 1.9.0-cur 13-02-17
Msged/LNX TE 6.1.2-current

2. Please indicate in which version of which operating system you are running the above programs.

Devuan GNU/Linux ascii
Linux devuan 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
Linux bizzi 4.15.0-33-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 15 13:44:35 UTC 2018 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux

Many thanks for your effort, Husky is really cool! :)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hello Michael,

Monday October 01 2018 19:53, you wrote to All:

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt 1.9.0-cur 17-02-17
htick 1.9.0-cur 13-02-17
msged 6.1.2

2. Please indicate in which version of which operating system you are running the above programs.

Slackware64 14.2


Ttyl :-),
Al

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01 Oct 18 19:53, you wrote to all:

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt 1.9.0-cur 14-08-16
htick 1.9.0-cur 14-08-16

2. Please indicate in which version of which operating system you are running the above programs.

FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE amd64
Ubuntu 18.04 x86_64

Thanks.

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Hello Michael!

01 Oct 18, Michael Dukelsky wrote to All:

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt/lnx 1.4.0-sta 09-04-05 - from sf.net
HTick/lnx 1.4.0-sta 03-04-05 - from sf
FastLst ver. 2.0.4-beta/Linux - from sf
golded+/lnx 1.1.4.7 - precompiled binary package

2. Please indicate in which version of which operating system you are running the above programs.

Debian 5.0.10 - jailed in emulation hosted by Debian 9.5

Well, never change a running system worked thanks to the emulation. I tried to move to native but had always some issues with charsets and utf.

Regards

Kai

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Hello Michael!

01 Oct 18 19:53, Michael Dukelsky wrote to All:

1. Please specify which versions of hpt, htick, msged you are using.

hpt/fbsd 1.9.0-cur 08-05-14
Msged/BSD TE 6.1.2-current

2. Please indicate in which version of which operating system you are running the above programs.

FreeBSD 10.4-RELEASE (approaching EOL, will probably be 11.2 soon).


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello All,

Monday October 01 2018, Michael Dukelsky wrote to All:

Husky users' census is needed to understand who uses which versions
and in which operating systems.

The result at the time the census was conducted.

The used programs:

hpt 1.9 46
htick 1.9 37
msged 6 5

hpt 1.4 12
htick 1.4 11

hpt 1.2.4 1
htick 1.0.4 1

The used operating systems:

GNU/Linux 34
including
Ubuntu 16 4
Ubuntu 14 1
Ubuntu 18 2
Debian 8 3
Debian 9 1
Debian 5 1
Devuan 1
Raspbian 8 3
Gentoo 3
Alpine Linux 3.8 2
CentOS 7 2
Slackware 14.2 1
Linux 2.6 ASUS RT-N16 1
Linux 3.4 QNAP TS-459 1
Linux 4.2 QNAP TS-251+ 1
Fedora 9 1
Fedora 27 1
Fedora 28 1
Openwall 1
RHEL 6 1
ALT Linux Sisyphus 1
Arch Linux 1

Windows 19
including
Windows XP 6
Windows 7 6
Windows 10 4
Windows 2003 2
Windows 8.1 1

FreeBSD 7
including
FreeBSD 11 5
FreeBSD 8 1
FreeBSD 10 1

Mac OS X 10 2

OS/2 WARP 4.52 2

MS-DOS 0

Michael

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Hello, Michael Dukelsky.
On 05/05/19 13:42 you wrote:

Husky users' census is needed to understand who uses which
versions and in which operating systems.

The used operating systems:

[…]

Devuan 1

[…]

Wow, I'm the only one systemd free! :D

Think free, take Poetter's "notabug, wontfix" out of your systems! ;)
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Hello Fabio!

05 May 19 14:30, Fabio Bizzi wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

Devuan 1

Wow, I'm the only one systemd free! :D

Nope, at least folks on Gentoo or Slackware can run their systems without it, too.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello, Gerrit Kuehn.
On 05/05/19 16:07 you wrote:

Hello Fabio! 05 May 19 14:30, Fabio Bizzi wrote to Michael
Dukelsky:

Devuan 1

Wow, I'm the only one systemd free! :D

Nope, at least folks on Gentoo or Slackware can run their systems
without it, too.

Thank you Gerrit, great news, at least 5 sysop are free! :)

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Hello Fabio!

05 May 19 17:55, Fabio Bizzi wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Nope, at least folks on Gentoo or Slackware can run their systems
without it, too.

Thank you Gerrit, great news, at least 5 sysop are free! :)

If that's what you're after, you'll certainly have to add FreeBSD users (like myself), too.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Gerrit!

05 May 19 21:47, you wrote to me:

Nope, at least folks on Gentoo or Slackware can run their
systems without it, too.

Thank you Gerrit, great news, at least 5 sysop are free! :)

If that's what you're after, you'll certainly have to add FreeBSD
users (like myself), too.

FreeBSD is a story apart, it's a real and pure unix like early systemV unixes. Linux isn't a pure Unix. :) This is the reason because we were infected with Systemd. :(

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hello Fabio!

05 May 19 14:30, you wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

Husky users' census is needed to understand who uses which
versions and in which operating systems.

The used operating systems:

[…]

Devuan 1

[…]

Wow, I'm the only one systemd free! :D

Slackware still is systemd free as well, up to and including the slackware-current version.

Andrew


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Hello Fabio!

06 May 19 08:02, Fabio Bizzi wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

FreeBSD is a story apart, it's a real and pure unix like early
systemV unixes.
Linux isn't a pure Unix. :) This is the reason because we were
infected with Systemd. :(

Ah, well, not really. FreeBSD is discussing adopting something like Apple's launchd for ages now. All I can hope for is that if they ever do, it'll be properly done, and not in the poor way of systemd. This pos is still too stupid
to get my systems reliably booted with early nfs mounts.
I heard a talk by LP when systemd was very new (or not even released), must have been in 2010 or so. Back then I was silently laughing my ass off and thought that this crazy stuff would never be widely adopted... how wrong I was.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Gerrit!

06 May 19 22:30, you wrote to me:

Ah, well, not really. FreeBSD is discussing adopting something like Apple's launchd for ages now. All I can hope for is that if they ever
do, it'll be properly done, and not in the poor way of systemd. This

I hope so, and I hope that FreeBSD developer will be so smart to leave to sysadmins the choice to choose the init they like instead to force only LP.

Ciao!
Fabio

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Re: Census
By: Fabio Bizzi to Gerrit Kuehn on Mon May 06 2019 08:02 am

Hello Gerrit!

05 May 19 21:47, you wrote to me:

Nope, at least folks on Gentoo or Slackware can run their
systems without it, too.

Thank you Gerrit, great news, at least 5 sysop are free! :)

If that's what you're after, you'll certainly have to add FreeBSD
users (like myself), too.

FreeBSD is a story apart, it's a real and pure unix like early systemV unixes. Linux isn't a pure Unix. :) This is the reason because we were infected with Systemd. :(

From a FreeBSD guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo

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Hello Rob!

13 May 19 19:42, Rob Swindell wrote to Fabio Bizzi:

From a FreeBSD guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo

I'm not saying that the concept as such is flawed. For me, it's rather the implementation and the management that drove me off from day 1 (+ that it deliberately broke everything I was relying on). This is amplyfied by the fact that the machines I care about have practically nothing to gain from faster boot times, have no dynamic network changes, no hardware changes, no virtualization... So there is not much to gain from systemd for me.

Elaborating on that, I concur with Benno that FreeBSD is actually lacking a solution to fill the place that is filled by systemd on Linux. But as I wrote before, I hope this to be done in a better way by FreeBSD folks than LP did it for Linux.


Regards,
Gerrit

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