• Re: Ukrainian Blitzkrieg

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Tue Jan 3 00:39:02 2023
    On 01-02-23 18:44, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Martin Kukac about Ukrainian Blitzkrieg expl <=-

    You don't know what are you speaking about. Waiting is better that hundreds of thousand of deaths inevitable if fight with such vast
    enemy as Russia now and in future. And, besides, the war could be
    avoided at all -- Russia's demanded before war consisted of demanding reasonable concessions towards Russian minority in Ukraine.

    Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were Russian
    speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering with internal
    Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jan 4 12:00:42 2023
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 03.01.2023 00:39

    AK>> You don't know what are you speaking about. Waiting is
    AK>> better that hundreds of thousand of deaths inevitable if
    AK>> fight with such vast enemy as Russia now and in future.
    AK>> And, besides, the war could be avoided at all -- Russia's
    AK>> demands before war consisted of demanding reasonable
    AK>> concessions towards Russian minority in Ukraine.
    DS> Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were
    DS> Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering
    DS> with internal Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

    For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
    oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is
    being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in Panama
    when he started to behave independently?

    Bye, Dale!
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Wed Jan 4 01:18:06 2023
    For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
    oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is
    being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in Panama
    when he started to behave independently?

    How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wed Jan 4 19:32:23 2023
    Hello Alexander,

    [..]

    Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were
    Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering
    with internal Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

    For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
    oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is
    being continued even now?

    President Trump withdrew US soldiers from Syria, allowing Russia
    to step in and take care of ISIS (and other terrorists). Not sure
    if Russia ever left. But terrorists are still around. As well as
    Assad.

    What did the US did with Noriega in Panama when he started to behave independently?

    Soldiers played heavy metal music very loudly outside the church
    where Noriega was praying. And then the priest asked Noriega to go
    outside and tell the soldiers to turn down the volume. We all know
    what happened next.

    The US sent Noriega to France.
    And then, after a few years, France returned Noriega to Panama.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu Jan 5 00:25:00 2023
    On 01-04-23 12:00, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Ukrainian Blitzkrieg <=-

    You don't know what are you speaking about. Waiting is
    better that hundreds of thousand of deaths inevitable if
    fight with such vast enemy as Russia now and in future.
    And, besides, the war could be avoided at all -- Russia's
    demands before war consisted of demanding reasonable
    concessions towards Russian minority in Ukraine.

    Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were
    Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering
    with internal Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

    For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
    oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in Panama
    when he started to behave independently?

    When someone has no answer in a debate with respect to a question raised
    and then resorts to a "what about" response -- THEY LOSE.

    In other words, respond to the topic -- don't try to change the subject.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jan 6 11:48:58 2023
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 04.01.2023 21:32

    DS>>> Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian,
    DS>>> they were Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no
    DS>>> business interfering with internal Ukranian affairs on
    DS>>> any pretext.
    ak>> For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who
    ak>> are oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an
    ak>> interference which is being continued even now?
    LL> President Trump withdrew US soldiers from Syria, allowing Russia
    LL> ??to step in and take care of ISIS (and other terrorists). Not
    LL> sure if Russia ever left. But terrorists are still around. As
    LL> well as Assad.

    Probably the recent news about shelling an American base in Syria was inaccurate. ;-)

    Bye, Lee!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Fri Jan 6 11:59:48 2023
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 05.01.2023 00:25

    AK>> For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who
    AK>> are oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an
    AK>> interference which is being continued even now? What did
    AK>> the US did with Noriega in Panama when he started to behave
    AK>> independently?
    DS> When someone has no answer in a debate with respect to a
    DS> question raised and then resorts to a "what about" response --
    DS> THEY LOSE. In other words, respond to the topic -- don't try to
    DS> change the subject.

    Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with NATO which use Ukraine like a puppet at the fair puppet theater, putting his hairy hand
    into Ukraine's ... from behind. ;-)

    Bye, Dale!
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Jan 6 12:00:34 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Friday January 06 2023 11:48, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    Probably the recent news about shelling an American base in Syria was inaccurate. ;-)

    Compare it with shelling of Russian base in Makeevka and smile again ;)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Fri Jan 6 12:18:48 2023
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 04.01.2023 12:18

    ak>> For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
    ak>> oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which
    ak>> is being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in
    ak>> Panama when he started to behave independently?

    AI> How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

    The ties Russia and Syria roots from the time of the USSR. Syria was
    always an Russia's ally. The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and in
    this war 600 thousand people were killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

    As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are not sure you
    can win it.

    Bye, Alan!
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Fri Jan 6 02:00:46 2023
    How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

    The ties Russia and Syria roots from the time of the USSR. Syria was
    always an Russia's ally.

    Sure, but how would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

    The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and in
    this war 600 thousand people were killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

    This is what happens in war and that is why we should avoid it.

    As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are not sure you
    can win it.

    Yes, read that a couple of times.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Jan 6 12:59:14 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Friday January 06 2023 11:59, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with NATO which

    But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Jan 6 13:00:16 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Friday January 06 2023 12:18, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

    The ties Russia and Syria roots from the time of the USSR. Syria was always an Russia's ally. The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and

    Not always.

    in this war 600 thousand people were killed.

    USA had nothing to do with civil wat in Syria.

    I visited Syria 4 times before this was and I saw it coming, for sure. When old Assad died it was a matter of time before the total collapse.
    Cedar revolution in Lebanon where they sent away Syrian occupation forces was the first event which shown how weak Assad's regime is.



    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Fri Jan 6 11:48:49 2023
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    Your problem (and Putin's) is they were not Russian, they were
    Russian speaking Ukranians. Russia had no business interfering
    with internal Ukranian affairs on any pretext.

    For instance, the US invaded Syria to defend the people who are
    oppressed according to Washington. Isn't it an interference which is
    being continued even now? What did the US did with Noriega in Panama
    when he started to behave independently?

    When someone has no answer in a debate with respect to a question raised and then resorts to a "what about" response -- THEY LOSE.

    The proper question should have been "the Trump administration
    withdrew US troops from Syria ..."

    In other words, respond to the topic -- don't try to change the subject.

    The Obama administration sent US troops to Syria.
    The Trump administration withdrew US troops from Syria.
    The Obama administration imposed sanctions on Russia.
    The Trump administration wanted to lift sanctions on Russia.
    I do see a pattern. Don't you?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Fri Jan 6 21:40:54 2023
    As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are not sure you can win it.

    Read this again ... then think ... think hard.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Fri Jan 6 21:52:59 2023
    Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with NATO which use Ukraine like a puppet at the fair puppet theater, putting his hairy hand into Ukraine's ... from behind. ;-)

    If Russian forces had been fighting NATO forces, this war would have been over a long time ago.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon Jan 9 09:30:52 2023
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 06.01.2023 12:59

    ak>> Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with
    ak>> NATO which
    DP> But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)

    NATO uses Ukraininans as war robots. They are too smart to fight Russia themsleves. ;-)

    Bye, Dmitry!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Mon Jan 9 09:47:05 2023
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 06.01.2023 13:00

    AI>>> How would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

    ak>> The ties Russia and Syria root from the time of the USSR. Syria
    ak>> was always an Russia's ally.

    AI> Sure, but how would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?


    They are mainly peacekeepers. The main question in Syria who is called "terrorists".

    ak>> The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and in this war 600
    ak>> thousand people were killed.
    ak>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

    AI> This is what happens in war and that is why we should avoid it.

    ak>> As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are not
    ak>> sure you can win it.

    AI> Yes, read that a couple of times.

    There is no doubt who instigated the civil war in Syria -- the US. Maybe Asssad rigged the elections, but it was not an excuse for a civil war.
    The US wanted an uprising and it managed to get it. The same policy the
    US had conducted in Ukraine when they instigate the mutiny against
    Ukrainian elected president. The US officials even visited the
    barricades in Kiev in 2014.

    Bye, Alan!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 9 09:53:55 2023
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 06.01.2023 23:40

    ak>> As a Chinese saying tells -- never provoke a war if you are
    ak>> not sure you can win it.
    WD> Read this again ... then think ... think hard.

    Some dreamy persons count the Ukraine conflict from the Russia's
    entering in Crimea. But if are able to think hard, you start the
    conflict from the coup in Kiev when the will of the half of Ukraine had
    been tramped in the most impudent way. Exactly this, the US propped
    event, had provoked all further events, the Crimea referendum including.

    Bye, Ward!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 9 09:58:31 2023
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 06.01.2023 23:52

    ak>> Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with
    ak>> NATO which use Ukraine like a puppet at the fair puppet
    ak>> theater, putting his hairy hand into Ukraine's ... from
    ak>> behind. ;-)
    WD> If Russian forces had been fighting NATO forces, this war would
    WD> have been over a long time ago.

    In this case Putin would probably A-bombed a couple western capitals,
    knowing well that it would be a good lesson and nobody will start a
    total nuclear war for complete Earth destruction. Rich people in the
    West want live very much, and in healthy environment. ;)

    Bye, Ward!
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jan 9 13:17:56 2023
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday January 09 2023 09:30, you wrote to me:

    But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)

    NATO uses Ukraininans as war robots. They are too smart to fight

    You are just dehumanizing Ukrainans, the same way as putin's propaganda is doing. That's looks very lame.
    They are real humans, dying for their country while you too weak to go and fight in Makeevka ;)


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jan 9 09:36:56 2023
    Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia fights with
    NATO which
    But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)

    NATO uses Ukraininans as war robots. They are too smart to fight Russia themsleves. ;-)

    NATO is not involved in this war.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jan 9 09:41:00 2023
    Sure, but how would you describe Russia's actions in Syria?

    They are mainly peacekeepers. The main question in Syria who is called "terrorists".

    Peacekeepers? Hardly. Peacekeepers don't drop barrel bombs on civillians.

    The US had provoked a civil war in Syria and in this war 600
    thousand people were killed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

    The US has nothing to do with war in Syria. I don't know what Russia thinks they are doing or will do there.

    This is what happens in war and that is why we should avoid it.

    There is no doubt who instigated the civil war in Syria -- the US. Maybe Asssad rigged the elections, but it was not an excuse for a civil war.
    The US wanted an uprising and it managed to get it. The same policy the
    US had conducted in Ukraine when they instigate the mutiny against
    Ukrainian elected president. The US officials even visited the
    barricades in Kiev in 2014.

    The war in Syria has nothing to do with the US. Possibly the despot in power.

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Tue Jan 10 09:19:26 2023
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 09.01.2023 20:36

    ??>>>>> Well, the blitzkrieg has failed -- now Russia
    ??>>>>> fights with
    ??>>>> NATO which
    ??>>> But NATO is not fighting with Russia :)
    ak>> NATO uses Ukraininans as war robots. They are too smart to
    ak>> fight Russia themsleves. ;-)
    AI> NATO is not involved in this war.

    Yeah, it is a remote control war.

    Bye, Alan!
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jan 9 22:54:15 2023
    Hello alexander,

    Yeah, it is a remote control war.

    No. It's a war that Russia started.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wed Jan 11 19:18:08 2023
    Hello Alexander,

    If Russian forces had been fighting NATO forces, this war would
    have been over a long time ago.

    In this case Putin would probably A-bombed a couple western capitals, knowing well that it would be a good lesson and nobody will start a
    total nuclear war for complete Earth destruction. Rich people in the
    West want live very much, and in healthy environment. ;)

    Japan had an Emperor who was worshipped as a living god.
    Not even the atomizing of Japanese cities would have stopped
    the Japanese people from worshipping him.

    The Japanese high command had offered to surrender a full month
    prior to the atomizing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So why did Harry
    Truman refuse their surrender, knowing the Empire of Japan was
    already defeated?

    Towards the end of WWII, Russian forces had landed in northern
    Japan. This was all in due accordance with the plans laid out by
    FDR, Churchill, and Stalin. It was only a matter of time before
    all of the Japans would have been occupied by Allied forces.
    Without the need for the use of atomic bombs.

    Truman insisted on one thing before any surrender would be
    accepted. He wanted Emperor Hirohito to relinquish his claim
    of being a living god. Having the Japanese military surrender
    was not enough. It had to be Hirohito claiming not be divine.

    After Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atomized, Hirohito gave in
    to Truman's demand. And no more atomic bombs fell on Japanese
    cities.

    Hirohito then remarked it was a mistake for him renounce his
    claim of being a living god. His son went on to become Emperor,
    and never had to relinquish his own claim of being a living god.
    And the current Emperor has never had to relinquish his claim
    of being a living god.

    Japanese take this stuff seriously. If the Emperor tells the
    Japanese people to do something, they do it. Without question.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Jan 11 19:39:31 2023
    After Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atomized, Hirohito gave in
    to Truman's demand. And no more atomic bombs fell on Japanese
    cities.

    One of the reasons for that was only three bombs had been made and all were expended in a test and two droppings. No more ready available fission-material.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jan 13 16:59:23 2023
    Hello Ward,

    After Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atomized, Hirohito gave in
    to Truman's demand. And no more atomic bombs fell on Japanese
    cities.

    One of the reasons for that was only three bombs had been made and all were
    expended in a test and two droppings. No more ready available fission-material.

    Is that why Comrade Joe halted the USSR's invasion of Japan?
    And why Russia to this day refuses to leave the Kiril Islands?

    No wonder no peace treaty was ever signed beteen those two powers.

    What was the *real* reason as to why 'Give Em Hell' Harry Truman
    atomized Japanese cities? Was it that he simply hated gooks? Or was
    it more of a warning to Russia as to who wss next?

    For Life,
    Lee

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