• FidoNews 38:23 [00/08]: The Front Page

    From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
    The F I D O N E W S Volume 38, Number 23 07 Jun 2021 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
    | |The newsletter of the | | |
    | | FidoNet community. | | Netmail attach to (POTS): |
    | | | | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-960447) |
    | | ____________| | |
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    | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:203/0 |
    | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | |
    | \_______\(_| /_) | Email attach to: |
    | _ @/_ \ _ | b @ felten dot se |
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    | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten |
    | ______ _//|| _\ / | |
    | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. |
    | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+


    Table of Contents
    1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
    Freedom of Speech ........................................ 1
    2. ADAM'S COLUMN - ADAM PARK ................................ 2
    Land of Devastation Grind Guide Pt4 ...................... 2
    3. LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES ............................... 5
    List of IPv6 nodes ....................................... 5
    4. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 8
    The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 8
    5. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 9
    6. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 16
    Statistics from the Fidoweb .............................. 16
    Nodelist Stats ........................................... 17
    7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 19
    How to Submit an Article ................................. 19
    Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 21

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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
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    EDITORIAL =================================================================

    Freedom of Speech

    This subject seems to be more and more difficult to understand by some
    people for each year that passes. Not only in FidoNet but worse than
    that, all over the entire world.

    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not. There is no middle way.

    Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it was
    Evelyn Beatrice Hall that interpreted his thoughts this way:

    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
    right to say it."

    Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il-sung and all other
    dictators we know of were all in favour of Freedom of Speech. As long
    as that speech did not oppose to what they regarded as proper.

    I'm constantly reminded of what a bad person I am to allow this or
    that user to execute his Freedom of Speech in the FIDONEWS echo. "Ban
    him!" shouts the crowd. I.e. "No more Freedom of Speech here, unless
    we like it!"

    Can't you really see what you are saying? Is it really that hard to
    press the Next key if you find someone opposing to what you regard as
    proper?

    After all, nobody is forcing you to read anything. Neither in a
    FidoNet echo nor on Twitter, FaceBook, Fox News or wherever. Surely
    you have more important matters to be upset with, or even angry with,
    in your lives?

    Once again:

    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not.

    It's your choice, be sure to choose well. Once you've lost it, it
    can take ages to get it back, if ever.




    .

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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
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    ADAM'S COLUMN - ADAM PARK =================================================================

    Land of Devastation Grind Guide Pt 4
    Adam Park 1:134/302

    ****
    Welcome to our continuing series examaning the epic door game from the
    90s, Land of Devastation. Check out previous issues of Fidonews for
    parts you may have missed!
    ****


    Coming/published sections:

    1) About
    **In Issue - Volume 38 No. 20**

    2) General Gameplay Guidelines
    **In Issue - Volume 38 No. 21**

    3) Shopping Recommendations
    **In Issue - Volume 38 No. 22**

    4) Stat Points
    4a) Overview of Sources of Stat Points
    4b) How to Distribute Stat Points for this Build
    *We are HERE*

    5) Combat Strategy

    6) Tables
    6a) Leveling Order
    6b) Key Purchase Order

    7) Grind Guide
    7a) Zone 1
    7b) Zone 2
    7c) Drugs: Everything in Moderation
    7d) Zone 3
    7e) Zone 4
    7f) Zone 5
    7g) Shrine of Hercules
    7h) Zone 6
    7i) Endgame content

    8) Supplemental Information

    ** And now for this week's content: **

    4) Stat Points

    4a) Overview of Sources of Stat Points

    - The main way to get stats is by leveling, where you pick how to
    assign 5 stat points per level; NEVER bother with the money option.

    - Further to leveling, there are three other ways to raise stats:
    through stat fountains, a laptop ROM and drugs.

    - There are 3 stat enhancing fountains in the game, two are in Sacre
    Base; one gives +5 dex and the other +5 agl. One fountain much later,
    in the Shrine of Hercules gives +25 strength; this also works out well
    for my build as it neglects strength until late-game. In total stat
    fountains give 35 stat points, equivalent to 7 levels.

    - You can also find a Tetris laptop ROM which will add 4 poits to your
    dex, a nice bonus considering you'll just find this randomly, and
    relatively easily.

    - Drugs, in the mid-to-later game, are an extremely effective way of
    raising your stats. In my sample run-through of the game, I gained 44
    stat points, equal to nearly 9 levels in stats. A word of warning: If
    the proper procedure for raising stats through drugs is not followed,
    you risk permanently screwing up your character; raising your stat
    points the safe and correct way, however, will be quite costly, thus
    why it is a mid-to-later game endeavour. Make sure to read my section
    on drug use carefully.

    - In addition to stat points received by levelling, you will see a
    guaranteed 39 stat points from fountains and the ROM, and, with a
    little luck, in the neighbourhood of 44 from drugs, for a total, in my
    case, of 83 stat points, over 16 levels worth; pretty significant when
    you consider that you're in the endgame around level 45-50.


    4b) How to Distribute Stat Points for this Build

    - Dexterity is by far the most important stat for this build, which I
    believe is the most effective build. Dexterity increases your average
    short and long range damage by making you hit more often, whereas
    strength, by comparison, only increases average short range damage by increasing the damage when on hit; it is, furthermore, less
    consistent. By the mid-game, you will have a long-range weapon with
    3-burst mode, and a grenade launcher, but the price of that is that
    its attacks will be less accurate, so having a high dexterity is vital
    to making the best of it. While it is easy to upgrade the damage of
    your weapons simply by upgrading them, there is no way to upgrade
    their accuracy until you're able to afford very expensive upgrades,
    which you will still need even with this dexterity-based build.

    - Agility is the second-best stat, but the saying "a little goes a
    long way" applies, as you will experience diminishing returns in each
    zone for how much dexterity you have. That is to say, at first points
    give you a much better chance to dodge enemies close to your level,
    then less and less as you increase the stat, so there's a limit to how
    much agility you really need to bother with per zone. (It's a relative calculation compared to your opponent's dexterity).

    - Hit Points are the third-best stat. By the mid to late game, armor +
    shield + agility will mean you are hit very seldom, say, 10-15% of the
    time, but for when you are, you will want to have enough hit points to
    survive a couple of hits from most enemies.

    - Strength is the least important stat until very late in the game,
    especially since you receive 25 free strength from a fountain, but
    only 5 free dexterity and agility. Once you start being able to
    consistently hit enemies in the highest zone with most of your gun's
    burst mode, and levels get easier (oddly enough) to grind, it's worth
    putting some focus in strength to increase your short-range damage.

    - The coming tables in section 6 contain level-by-level specifics.

    *****************************************************
    Stay tuned next week for Combat Strategy!
    ***************************************************** -----------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
    =================================================================
    LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES =================================================================

    List of IPv6 nodes
    By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555

    Updated 5 June 2021


    Node Nr. Sysop Type Provider Remark

    1 2:280/464 Wilfred van Velzen Native Xs4All f
    2 2:280/5003 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f
    3 2:5019/40 Konstantin Kuzov T-6in4 he.net f
    4 2:280/5555 Michiel van der Vlist Native Ziggo f
    5 1:320/219 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
    6 2:221/1 Tommi Koivula Native Hetzner f
    7 2:221/6 Tommi Koivula Native OVH
    8 2:5053/54 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
    9 2:5030/257 Vova Uralsky Native PCextreme
    10 1:154/10 Nicholas Bo‰l Native Spectrum f
    11 2:203/0 Bj”rn Felten T-6in4 he.net
    12 2:280/5006 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f INO4
    13 3:712/848 Scott Little T-6in4 he.net f
    14 2:5020/545 Alexey Vissarionov Native Hetzner f
    15 1:103/17 Stephen Hurd T-6in4 he.net
    16 2:5020/9696 Alexander Skovpen T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0
    17 2:421/790 Viktor Cizek T-6in4 he.net
    18 2:222/2 Kim Heino Native TeliaSonera
    19 3:633/280 Stephen Walsh Native AusNetServers f
    20 2:463/877 Alex Shuman Native Nline f IO
    21 1:19/10 Matt Bedynek T-6in4 he.net
    22 3:770/1 Paul Hayton T-6in4 he.net
    23 2:5053/58 Alexander Kruglikov Native TTK-Volga f
    24 1:103/1 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
    25 3:633/281 Stephen Walsh Native Internode
    26 2:310/31 Richard Menedetter Native DE-NETCUP f
    27 3:633/410 Tony Langdon Native IINET
    28 2:5020/329 Oleg Lukashin Native Comfortel f
    29 2:246/1305 Emil Schuster Native TAL.DE
    30 2:2448/4000 Tobias Burchhardt Native DTAG IO
    31 2:331/51 Marco d'Itri Native BOFH-IT
    32 1:154/30 Mike Miller Native LINODE
    33 2:5001/100 Dmitry Protasoff Native OVH
    34 2:5059/38 Andrey Mundirov T-6in4 he.net
    35 2:240/5853 Philipp Giebel Native Hetzner
    36 2:5083/444 Peter Khanin Native OVH
    37 2:2452/413 Ingo Juergensmann Native RRBONE-COLO f
    38 1:123/10 Wayne Smith T-6in4 he.net
    39 2:4500/1 Eugene Kozhuhovsky Native DATAHATA6
    40 1:135/300 Eric Renfro Native Amazon.com
    41 1:103/13 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
    42 2:5020/1042 Michael Dukelsky Native FORPSI Ktis f
    43 2:5095/0 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
    44 2:5095/20 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
    45 4:902/26 Fernando Toledo T-6in4 he.net 6DWN
    46 2:5019/400 Konstantin Kuzov Native LT-LT
    47 2:467/239 Mykhailo Kapitanov Native Vultr f
    48 2:463/1331 Andrei Dzedolik Native DIGITALOCEAN
    49 2:5010/275 Evgeny Chevtaev T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0 f
    50 2:5020/736 Egor Glukhov Native RUWEB f
    51 2:280/2000 Michael Trip Native Xs4All
    52 2:230/38 Benny Pedersen Native Linode
    53 2:460/58 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f
    54 1:135/367 Antonio Rivera Native RRSW-V6
    55 2:5020/2123 Anton Samsonov T-6in4 he.net
    56 2:5020/2332 Andrey Ignatov Native ru.rtk
    57 2:5005/49 Victor Sudakov T-6in4 he.net f
    58 2:5005/77 Valery Lutoshkin T-6in4 NTS f
    59 2:5005/106 Alexey Osiyuk T-6in4 he.net f
    60 2:5057/53 Ivan Kovalenko Native ER-Telecom f
    61 2:5010/352 Dmitriy Smirnov Native EkranTV f
    62 2:292/854 Ward Dossche Native Proximus OO
    63 2:469/122 Sergey Zabolotny T-6in4 he.net f
    64 2:5053/400 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
    65 1:135/371 Eric Renfro Native Cox Cmmunctns
    66 2:421/21 Stepan Gabriel Native NETDATACOMM
    67 2:5030/1997 Alexey Fayans T-6in4 he.net
    68 1:220/70 Joseph Werle T-6in4 he.net
    69 2:5061/15 Eugene Gladchenko Native ARUBAUK-NET
    70 2:2452/502 Ludwig Bernhartzeder Native DTAG
    71 2:423/39 Karel Kral Native WEDOS
    72 2:5080/102 Stas Degteff T-6to4 NOVATOR
    73 2:280/1049 Simon Voortman Native Solcon
    74 1:102/127 Bradley Thornton Native Hetzner
    75 2:335/364 Fabio Bizzi Native IT-ALBACOM
    76 1:124/5016 Nigel Reed Native DAL1-US f
    77 2:5020/843 Peter Antonov Native BelCloud
    78 2:5075/37 Andrew Komardin Native IHC-NET
    79 1:153/146 Erich Bublitz Native LINODE-US
    80 1:106/633 William Williams Native LINODE-US PM *1
    81 2:263/5 Martin List-Petersen Native TuxBox DOWN
    82 2:5030/1520 Andrey Geyko T-6in4 he.net f
    83 1:229/664 Jay Harris Native Rogers
    84 1:142/103 Brian Rogers T-6in4 he.net
    85 1:134/101 Kostie Muirhead Native Hurricane El. f
    86 2:280/2030 Martien Korenblom Native Transip
    87 3:633/509 Deon George Native Telstra
    88 2:5020/4441 Yuri Myakotin Native SOVINTEL
    89 1:320/319 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
    90 2:240/5824 Anna Christina Nass T-6in4 he.net f
    91 2:460/5858 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f HOLD
    92 1:105/5 Michael Pierce Native Comcast
    93 1:218/401 James Downs Native ORG-TT1
    94 2:5030/3165 Serg Podtynnyi Native DIGITALOCEAN
    95 2:301/812 Benoit Panizon Native WOODYV6
    96 1:229/616 Vasily Losev Native GIGEPORT
    97 2:301/113 Alisha Manuela Stutz T-6in4 he.net
    98 2:5035/63 Vladimir Goncharov Native RFEIV6NET
    99 1:134/100 Kostie Muirhead Native Hurricane El. f
    100 1:134/102 Shelley Petersen Native Hurricane El. f INO4
    101 1:134/103 Gordon Muirhead Native Hurricane El. f
    102 1:134/302 Adam Park Native Hurricane El. f
    103 1:134/301 Brandon Moore Native Hurricane El. f INO4
    104 1:153/7715 Dallas Hinton Native Shaw Comms.


    T-6in4 Static 6in4
    T-AYIY Dynamic AYIYA
    T-6to4 6to4
    T-6RD 6RD

    Remarks:

    f Has a ::f1d0:<zone>:<net>:<node> style host address.
    (zone, net, node in decimal notation)
    IO Incoming only (Node can not make outgoing IPv6 calls)
    OO Outgoing only (Node can not accept incoming IPv6 calls).
    INO4 No IPv4 (Node can not accept incoming IPv4 calls).
    PO4 Prefers Out on 4 (Node can make outgoing IPv6 calls,
    but is configured to try IPv4 first)
    6DWN The IPv6 connectivity of this node is temporarely down.
    NO6 The node no longer presents an IPv6 address in the nodelist
    and will soon be removed from this list.
    HOLD The node is temporarely off-line. Mail may be routed.
    DOWN This node is Down for both IPv4 and IPv6 and will be
    removed from this list if the condition pertains.
    PM Prospective Member. The node has demonstrated IPv6
    capability but is not listed or does not advertise an
    IPv6 address in the Fidonet nodelist yet.

    PM *1 [2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe2b:c319]


    Notes:

    To make an IPv6 connection to a node connected via 6to4 tunneling
    one may have to force the mailer into IPv6 (-6 option in binkd's
    node config for binkd up to 1.1a-96, -64 option for binkd 1.1a-97
    and up when compiled with AF_FORCE=1). If the destination address
    is a 6to4 tunnel address (2002::/16) many OSs default to IPv4 if
    an IPv4 address is present.


    Submitted on day 157

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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
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    JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST =================================================================

    The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project

    This is a list of known JamNNTPd servers working. They are essentially
    the modern version of Bulletin Board Systems.

    You connect to them using the newsreader of your choice and you don't
    need any other software installed on your computer -- regardless of
    operating system -- but that favourite mail client of yours.

    Even smart phones can handle this, giving you the opportunity to get
    your daily doses of fidonet on the bus, tram or train on the way to
    your job, school or whatever.


    Updated 2019-12-03


    URL news://eljaco.se:4119
    Join http://fidonews.eu
    NETMAIL Yes, 2:203/2

    URL news://rbb.bbs.fi
    Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
    NETMAIL Yes, 2:221/360

    URL nntp://fidonews.mine.nu
    URL nntps://fidonews.mine.nu
    Join http://fidonews.mine.nu
    NETMAIL Yes, 2:221/6

    URL nntp://news.bytemuseum.org
    nntps://news.bytemuseum.org (secure)
    Join Info in group +ACCCESS&SUPPORT+
    NETMAIL Yes, 1:19/10

    URL nntp://news.pharcyde.org
    Join Info in group, +GETACCESS+
    NETMAIL Yes, 1:154/10

    URL: news.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    Join mailto:sysop@tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    NETMAIL Yes, 1:266/404

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  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
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    FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING =================================================================



    =================================================================
    FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
    =================================================================

    BBS Software List

    Updated 2020-12-05

    Maintained by Andrew Leary (1:320/219)
    Editors Emeritus: Robert Couture, Janis Kracht,
    Sean Dennis

    M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
    P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility #=Info
    F=TIC/SRIF Processor

    *=Software is available and may be registerable,
    but no longer supported or updated.

    @=Website is operating but is no longer updated.

    ?=Software's updating/support status is unknown.

    O=Software is open source.

    This list contains BBS-related software that is available
    for registration (not necessarily supported), open source
    software and actively developed/supported software by its
    author. Software listed may be available for DOS, Linux,
    OS/2 (eComStation), Windows (16 or 32 bit) and OSX.

    .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -.
    |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
    `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'

    ==> FRONT-END/INTERNET MAILERS

    Argus |MI*? |http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products
    | | /argus/
    | | v3.210 on 2001-03-29

    BinkleyTerm XE |MO* |http://btxe.sourceforge.net
    | | 2.60XE Beta-XH7 on 2000-10-22

    BinkD |MI? |http://binkd.grumbler.org
    | | gul@gul.kiev.ua 2:463/68
    | | v.1.0.4
    | | v.1.1a-111 (alpha)
    | | ftp://cvs.happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft
    | | /mailer/binkd/
    | |http://www.filegate.net/r50/aftnbinkd/

    D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.dbridgemailer.com
    |I | support@dbridgemailer.com 1:1/130
    Nick Andre | | v4.00 on 2020-12-03

    FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.datenbahn.dd-dns.de/
    | | cdp/fp_deluxe/
    | | v2.4 on 2003-09-26

    FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MITPC|http://www.defsol.se 2:20/4609
    Definite Solutions |E | sales@defsol.se
    | | FD v2.33ml, FD/APX v1.15

    InterMail |MCPE |http://www.Intermail.net 1:220/60
    Dale Barnes | | dalebarnes42@majik.net
    | | IM v2.60 on 2017-08-28

    Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sourceforge.net/
    |EO? | v1.9 RC2 on 2010-04-20

    Taurus |MI |http://www.fidotel.com/public/forums/
    (based on Radius) |? | taurus/index.htm
    | | v5.0 on 2006-06-12
    | |

    T-Mail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru (Russian only)
    |? | v2608 on 2001-12-12

    AfterShock |MTEI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/
    Asvcorp | | details?id=com.asvcorp.aftershock
    Anatoly Vdovichev | | rudi.timmer@mail.ch 2:292/140
    Rudi Timmermans | | v1.6.7 on 2017-11-19

    HotDogEd |E |https://play.google.com/store/apps/
    Sergey Pushkin | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged
    | | v2.13.5 on 2017-03-13 2:5020/2141

    HotDogEd FidoNet |MTI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/
    Provider | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged.fido
    Sergey Pushkin | | v2.13.5 on 2017-03-13 2:5020/2141

    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    MAIL TOSSERS

    Crashmail II |TO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/
    | | crashmail.html

    FastEcho |T |http://www.softeq.de/old/Products
    | | /FastEcho/fastecho.html
    | | v1.46.1 on 2007-11-13
    | | Registration keys are free & available
    | | by request from the author

    Fidogate |TUI? |http://www.fidogate.org
    | | v4.4.10 on 2004-08-27
    | |

    FMail |TO |https://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/
    | | v2.0.1.4 on 2017-04-21

    InterEcho |T |http://www.Intermail.net 1:220/60
    Dale Barnes | | dalebarnes42@majik.net
    | | IE 1.20 on 2017-08-28

    JetMail: JetSys |TU |
    (ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on 2000-01-01

    Squish |T* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/
    | | v1.11R2 on 2009-01-01
    | | Source code available in Maximus BBS
    | | archive: http://maximus.sourceforge.net


    WWIVToss |T |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/
    | | v1.51 on 2015-05-23

    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    BBS SOFTWARE

    BBBS |BICTM|http://www.bbbs.net 2:22/222
    | | b@bbbs.net
    | | v4.01 on 2007-01-28

    EleBBS |BO*? |http://www.elebbs.com
    | | v0.10.RC1 on 2002-06-09

    Enthral BBS |B |http://enthralbbs.com 1:250/501
    Linux/BSD/OSX | | v0.429/Alpha on 2010-10-14
    | | Fidonet filebone SCENEENT

    Ezycom BBS |BT* |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682
    | | v2.15g2 on 2009-11-16

    GT Power |B |http://www.gtpowerbbs.com/
    | | v19.00

    Hermes II Project |BT |http://www.hermesbbs.com/
    Macintosh-based | | malyn@strangegizmo.com
    | | v3.5.10b3

    Maximus BBS |BO* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/
    | | v3.03
    | | Source code available at:
    | | http://maximus.sourceforge.net/

    MBSE BBS |BMTFI|https://sourceforge.net 1:320/319
    |PO | /projects/mbsebbs
    | | ajleary@sourceforge.net
    | | v1.0.7.20 on 2020-11-30
    Meltdown BBS |UIO |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
    | | v1.0b on 2004-04-26

    Mystic BBS |BMTCE|http://www.mysticbbs.com
    |I | v1.12 A45 on 2020-02-18

    NiKom BBS (Amiga) |BO |http://www.nikom.org
    | | v2.3.1 on 2017-07-01

    RemoteAccess BBS |B? |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
    | | bfmorse@rapro.com
    | | v2.62.2SW

    Renegade BBS |B |http://renegadebbs.info 1:129/305
    | | v1.22/DOS on 2020-10-19

    Spitfire BBS |B? |http://www.buffalocrk.com/
    | | mdwoltz@buffalocrk.com
    | | v3.7 on 2010-01-01

    Synchronet BBS |BMTIO|http://www.synchro.net 1:103/705
    | | v3.17b on 2019-01-01

    Telegard BBS |B* |
    | | v3.09g2-sp4/mL on 1999-12-19

    WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
    Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
    Xpress: Santronics | |
    Software, Inc. | | v7.0 AUP 454.5 on 2016-06-23

    WWIV BBS |B |http://www.wwivbbs.org
    | | v5.00 on 2015-12-14

    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    TIC PROCESSORS/FILEFIX/SRIF

    Allfix |FIUT |http://www.allfix.com/ 1:218/720
    Ken Johnson | | v6.1.0 on 2019-02-02

    NEF/pk |F |http://nefpk.8m.com/
    | | v2.45b2 on 2000-03-05

    TinyTIC |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net
    | | /tinytic.html
    | | 1:120/544

    VIReq |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net
    | | /vireq.html
    | | 1:120/544

    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    BBS DOORS/UTILITIES

    Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net/cheepware.html
    Sean Dennis | | sysop@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200
    | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE

    DDS (Doorware |D@ |http://www.doorgames.org
    Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
    Ruth Argust | |

    Jibben Software |D* |http://www.jibbensoftware.com/
    | | bbs-door-games.cfm
    | | scott@jibben.com
    | | 1995-99 Release dates

    John Dailey Software |DU |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com

    Shining Star |D* |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
    | | nannette@shiningstar.net
    | | Doors are registerable via website

    Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
    Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
    | | Tel: (404) 256-9518

    T1ny's Software |DU |http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/tsoft/
    Shawn Highfield | | shighfield@gmail.com 1:229/452
    | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE

    The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
    | | stanley@brainex.com
    | | 1994-99 Releases

    Trade Wars |D* |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
    | | jpritch@eisonline.com
    | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002

    Vagabond Software |DU* |http://vbsoft.dhakota.org
    | | d@dhakota.org
    | | Last update: 2008-04-11

    WWIVEdit |DE |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/
    | | v3.0 on 2011-06-27

    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    POINT SOFTWARE

    APoint |PI |https://stargate.org.uk/apoint/
    | | v1.25 on 2001-12-12

    CrossPoint (XP) |P? |http://www.crosspoint.de (German only)
    | | pm@crosspoint.de
    | | v3.12d on 1999-12-22

    FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de (German only)
    | | support@freexp.de
    | | v3.42 on 2010-06-27
    FidoIP |PO |http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki
    | | /fidoip/
    | | v.1.0.5 on 2010-12

    OpenXP |PIO |https://sourceforge.net/projects
    | | /openxp5/ 2:240/2188.31
    | |http://openxp.uk Windows/Linux
    | | dev@openxp.uk English/German
    | | v5.0.42 on 2019-12-28

    WinPoint |PI |http://www.winpoint.org
    | | English/German/Spanish
    | |https://stargate.org.uk/winpoint/
    | | v5 (Beta Release) on 2017-03-17
    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    SYSOP MAIL EDITORS

    GoldEd+ |EO |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/
    | | v1.1.5 (Snapshot) on 2015-11-30
    | | NOTE: Unstable versions released often

    SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de 2:2476/493
    | | v1.15 on 1999-12-15
    | | Website is in German and English

    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    INTERNET UTILITIES

    Ifmail |UIO |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
    | | crosser@average.org

    Internet Rex |UI? |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
    | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
    | | v2.29 on 2001-10-21

    JamNNTPd |UIO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net
    | | /jamnntpd.html
    | | 1:120/544

    Luckygate |UO | ftp://happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft/gate
    | | /lgate
    | | gul@gul.kiev.ua

    MakeNL |UO |http://makenl.sourceforge.net
    | | v3.5.0 on 2019-05-06

    RNtrack |U |http://sourceforge.net/projects
    | | /ftrack-as 2:5080/102
    | |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
    | | v1.32 on 2011-04-29

    TransNet |UIO? |http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/
    | | transnet/index.html
    | | transnet@ressl.com.ar
    | | v2.11 on 2007-09-13

    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    INFORMATIONAL WEBSITES/BBS LISTS

    Telnet/Dialup BBS |# |http://www.telnetbbsguide.com 1:275/89
    Guide | | Maintained by Dave Perrussel
    | | This is probably the most updated BBS
    | | list on the Internet for a general
    | | BBS list.

    Synchronet BBS List |# |http://www.synchro.net/sbbslist.html
    | | Maintained automatically
    | | This list is specifically for
    | | Synchronet-based BBS systems and is
    | | automatically updated nightly.

    The BBS Corner |# |http://www.bbscorner.com
    | | This website is more than just files,
    | | it's an encyclopedia of knowledge for
    | | BBS sysops and people who want to
    | | become sysops. This site is run by
    | | the same person who does the Telnet
    | | BBS Guide.

    BBS Nexus |# |https://bbsnexus.com

    --- Azure/NewsPrep 3.0
    * Origin: Home of the Fidonews (2:2/2.0)
  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
    | | This website offers a searchable list
    | | of Telnet BBS's.

    +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+

    File Archives:

    http://archives.thebbs.org
    http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org (site is no longer maintained)
    http://www.simtel.net
    http://www.bbsfiles.com
    http://hobbes.nmsu.edu (OS/2 specific)
    http://www.filegate.net/ (FTP access via port 60721)
    http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/

    Note: Most also provide FTP access (use ftp instead of http above)

    The BBS Software List is published weekly in the FidoNews.

    If you have corrections, suggestions or additions to the information
    above, please contact Andrew Leary with your information via the
    FIDONEWS echo or netmail at 1:320/219.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    --- Azure/NewsPrep 3.0
    * Origin: Home of the Fidonews (2:2/2.0)
  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
    =================================================================
    SPECIAL INTEREST =================================================================

    Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
    By EchoTime, 2:203/0

    (Some nets may have lost their last
    digit for technical reasons)

    pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
    nodes mean dev no mean dev no

    154/* 7.4m 12.0m 587 1.1h 3.6h 586
    221/* 0.8m 2.2m 617 5.0h 7.8h 620
    280/* 0.6m 2.3m 587 6.7h 6.5h 587
    292/* 3.6m 1.9m 22 5.1h 7.8h 21
    310/* 20.3m 1.7m 2 0.0h 0.0h 2
    320/* 2.2m 1.3m 228 2.7h 6.9h 228
    423/* 1.6m 0.1m 2 0.2h 0.2h 2
    502/* 0.4m 0.0m 2 0.3h 0.4h 2

    Sigma 2.8m 7.3m 2047 4.1h 6.7h 2048

    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Nodelist Stats

    Input nodelist nodelist.155
    size 188.6kb
    date 2021-06-04

    The nodelist has 1039 nodes in it
    and a total of 1500 non-comment entries

    including 4 zones
    33 regions
    175 hosts
    69 hubs
    admin overhead 281 ( 27.05 %)

    and 110 private nodes
    31 nodes down
    39 nodes on hold
    off line overhead 180 ( 17.32 %)


    Speed summary:

    >9600 = 45 ( 4.33 %)
    9600 = 194 ( 18.67 %)
    (HST = 3 or 1.55 %)
    (CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
    (PEP = 0 or 0.00 %)
    (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
    (HAY = 0 or 0.00 %)
    (V32 = 82 or 42.27 %)
    (V32B = 18 or 9.28 %)
    (V34 = 94 or 48.45 %)
    (V42 = 82 or 42.27 %)
    (V42B = 19 or 9.79 %)
    2400 = 1 ( 0.10 %)
    1200 = 0 ( 0.00 %)
    300 = 799 ( 76.90 %)

    ISDN = 34 ( 3.27 %)

    -----------------------------------------------------
    IP Flags Protocol Number of systems -----------------------------------------------------
    IBN Binkp 808 ( 77.77 %) ----------------------------------
    IFC Raw ifcico 85 ( 8.18 %) ----------------------------------
    IFT FTP 60 ( 5.77 %) ----------------------------------
    ITN Telnet 168 ( 16.17 %) ----------------------------------
    IVM Vmodem 17 ( 1.64 %) ----------------------------------
    IP Other 4 ( 0.38 %) ----------------------------------
    INO4 IPv6 only 4 ( 0.38 %) ----------------------------------

    CrashMail capable = 896 ( 86.24 %)
    MailOnly nodes = 325 ( 31.28 %)
    Listed-only nodes = 23 ( 2.21 %)



    [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
    [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/2]
    [ NetStats 3.8 2014-11-23]

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    --- Azure/NewsPrep 3.0
    * Origin: Home of the Fidonews (2:2/2.0)
  • From FidoNews Robot@2:2/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 03:11:51 2021
    =================================================================
    FIDONEWS INFORMATION =================================================================

    How to Submit an Article

    If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here
    are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred
    method if you want reasonable control over how the published article
    will appear in the Fidonews:

    a) Plain text. If you could type it on your keyboard, it's probably
    quite OK. No line may be longer than 70 characters.

    b) Put a title to the article. Put the title in two times. The first
    time, on the first line, with an * before it. The second time, on
    the second line, without the * and centered. This will help in the
    format since the title with the * is removed and used in the index,
    the second line will become the headline. On the third line, put
    your name and FidoNet address, present or former. If former, you
    may want to add some other address where you can be reached for
    personal comments.

    c) Deadline for article submission is Sunday, 22:00 UTC.


    In case a) and b) above is not crystal clear, here's an excellent
    summary by Ward Dossche, a major article contributor:

    Piece of cake:

    1) Ascii text
    2) Line length of 70
    3) Put this at the very top:

    *The title of your text
    The title of your text
    Your Name - Your Nodenumber

    The title is there twice, the line with the * is how it will be
    visible in the table of content.


    Help the Editor by following the above guides. Below are some subjects
    and the file extension for the article as set in the configuration
    file for the making of the Fidonews. Please help by putting the file
    extension of the correct subject on the file name if known.

    Ideas for Subject areas:

    Subject File | Subject File ----------------------------------|----------------------------------
    From the *C's *.css | Rebuttals to articles *.reb
    Fidonet Regional News *.reg | Fidonet Net News *.net
    Retractions *.rtx | General Fidonet Articles *.art
    Guest Editorial *.gue | Fidonet Current Events *.cur
    Fidonet Interviews *.inv | Fidonet Software Reviews *.rev
    Fidonet Web Page Reviews *.web | Fidonet Notices *.not
    Getting Fidonet Technical *.ftc | Question Of The Week *.que
    Humor in a Fido Vein *.hfv | Comix in ASCII *.cmx
    Fidonet's Int. Kitchen *.rec | Poet's Corner *.poe
    Clean Humor & Jokes *.jok | Other Stuff *.oth
    Fidonet Classified Ads *.ads | Corrections *.cor
    Best of Fidonet *.bof | Letters to the Editor *.let

    If you don't know or are not sure, send the article anyway. Put a .TXT
    on it and I'll try to figure out where it should be in the Fidonews.

    If you follow these simple guidelines, there should be little problem
    in getting your article published. If your submission is too far out
    of specs for the Fidonews, it will be returned to you and/or a message
    sent informing you of the problem. This DOES NOT mean that your
    article is not accepted. It means that there is something in it that I
    can not fix and I need your help on it.

    Send articles via e-mail or netmail, file attach or message to:

    Bj”rn Felten
    Fidonet 2:2/2 or 2:203/0
    E-Mail b @ felten dot se
    Skype file bfelten

    IMPORTANT! If you send the article via e-mail, make sure you put the
    word "fidonews" somewhere in the subject line! That way it
    will always pass the spam filter, ending up in the proper
    folder.

    Please include a message, telling me that you have sent an article.
    That way I will know to look for it.


    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability

    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
    | |
    | Editor: Bj”rn Felten, 2:2/2 |
    | |
    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- - EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +
    | |
    | Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince |
    | Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, |
    | Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink, |
    | Doug Meyers, Warren D. Bonner, Frank L. Vest |
    | |
    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

    Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
    There is no copyright attached to Fidonews, though authors
    retain rights to their contributed articles. Opinions expressed
    by the authors are strictly their own. Noncommercial duplication
    and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged. Authors are
    encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to the Editor
    at one of the addresses above.

    The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file
    area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS.

    The different articles are distributed in the file area SNOOZE.
    A service to various projects for making Fidonews available on
    the web with a more pleasing lay-out.

    These sources are normally available through your Network
    Coordinator. The current and past issues are also available from
    the following sources:

    + -- -- -- -- -- -- - FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
    | |
    | File request from 2:2/2 or 2:203/0: |
    | current issue FIDONEWS |
    | back issue, volume v, issue ii FNEWSvii.ZIP |
    | articles, vol.no nn, issue ii INPUnnii.ZIP |
    | |
    | On the web: |
    | http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/ |
    | http://fidonews.eu/FNEWS/ |
    | |
    | The Snooze *and* the FIDONEWS echo in your newsreader: |
    | news://eljaco.se/FIDONEWS |
    | |
    + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

    -----------------------------------------------------------------


    ** Prepared for FIDONEWS by Azure/NewsPrep 3.0
    (c) Copyright 1996-1999 Peter Karlsson

    --- Azure/NewsPrep 3.0
    * Origin: Home of the Fidonews (2:2/2.0)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to FidoNews Robot on Mon Jun 7 10:30:05 2021
    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not. There is no middle way.

    And lying is just an ultimate form of freedom of speech ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to FidoNews Robot on Mon Jun 7 17:12:54 2021
    07 Jun 2021 03:11, you wrote to All:

    @CHRS: CP850 2
    [...]
    Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it was
    ^
    I noticed that the encoding does not match, so the ‡ (c-cedilla) is mangled. Looks like it was actually written with latin-1.

    Carlos
    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: costa blanca, Spain (2:341/234.1)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Jun 7 17:27:30 2021
    Hello Carlos,

    On Monday June 07 2021 17:12, you wrote to FidoNews Robot:

    Voltaire (Fran‡ois-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it
    ^
    I noticed that the encoding does not match, so the ‡ (c-cedilla) is mangled. Looks like it was actually written with latin-1.

    Your observation is correct. This problem is:

    A) A relic of the ASCII only era of Fidonet.

    B) The failure of the Fidonet community to deal with extended character sets in a consistent way.

    The problem often manifests itself when article contain text copied and pasted from the Internet. A logical solution would be that the Fidonews editor issues an edict that says alll articles submitted should be in either plain ASCCI or in UTF-8.


    Cheers, Michiel

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Mon Jun 7 21:30:32 2021
    07 Jun 2021 17:27, you wrote to me:

    Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it
    ^

    Did you edit and correct the quoted text when replying?

    I noticed that the encoding does not match, so the ç (c-cedilla)
    is mangled. Looks like it was actually written with latin-1.

    Your observation is correct. This problem is:

    A) A relic of the ASCII only era of Fidonet.

    B) The failure of the Fidonet community to deal with extended
    character sets in a consistent way.

    The problem often manifests itself when article contain text copied
    and pasted from the Internet. A logical solution would be that the Fidonews editor issues an edict that says alll articles submitted
    should be in either plain ASCCI or in UTF-8.

    UTF-8 would be fine, I suppose... but maybe it's a bit soon for this. :-)

    BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's already there: ASCII is required or encouraged (though not strictly "plain ASCII")

    Anyway, I would suggest to the editor that the robot doesn't post the Snooze to this echo using a specific @CHRS kludge... or at least it is converted to match it.

    Carlos
    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: costa blanca, Spain (2:341/234.1)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Jun 7 22:00:38 2021
    Anyway, I would suggest to the editor that the robot doesn't post the Snooze to this echo using a specific @CHRS kludge... or at least it is converted to match it.

    Your suggestion is received. The subject has been contemplated for many, many years (I've been here for almost two decades now) and the present solution is the one that those of us testing various alternatives ended up with being the lowest common denominator so to say.

    Any other suggestions are welcome. After all, I'm the one that have the source code by Peter Krefting presently used with posting the articles as echomail that you now enjoy, so I can make any suggested changes within a weeks notice.




    ..

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; sv-SE; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se (2:203/2)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Jun 7 21:37:16 2021
    Hello Carlos,

    On Monday June 07 2021 21:30, you wrote to me:

    Voltaire (Fran‡ois-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it
    ^

    Did you edit and correct the quoted text when replying?

    I used control J in golded to override the translation imposed by the CHRS kludge.

    The problem often manifests itself when article contain text
    copied and pasted from the Internet. A logical solution would be
    that the Fidonews editor issues an edict that says alll articles
    submitted should be in either plain ASCCI or in UTF-8.

    UTF-8 would be fine, I suppose... but maybe it's a bit soon for this.
    :-)

    Since only one encoding can be used for all of Fidonews, anything other than UTF-8 would disciminate against some.

    BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's already there:
    ASCII is required or encouraged (though not strictly "plain ASCII")

    Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?

    Anyway, I would suggest to the editor that the robot doesn't post the Snooze to this echo using a specific @CHRS kludge... or at least it is converted to match it.

    That may work for the echo, it would not work for the magazine published as a file.


    Cheers, Michiel

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Mon Jun 7 22:36:39 2021
    Michiel,

    That may work for the echo, it would not work for the magazine published
    as a file.

    There's a regular nodelist and a UTF8-nodelist (version zone-2).

    Maybe the editor could plan to have the original format Fidonews and also publish a UTF8-format?

    <famous quote> ... "how difficult can it be?"

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 23:57:49 2021
    In response to our dear editor, it is necessary to correct
    at least some of his many errors in regards to his concept of
    freedom of speech.

    EDITORIAL

    Although there is no signature, we all know who wrote it. So let
    us please dismiss the pleasantries and get on with the show -

    Freedom of Speech

    Perhaps the editor is referring to the First Amendment of the
    US Constitution, in which it says "Congress shall make no law ...
    abridging freedom of speech."

    But what exactly constitutes protected speech? Is all speech
    protected? Or only the parts of speech the Congress approves of?
    And is such freedom limited only to speech?

    This subject seems to be more and more difficult to understand by some people for each year that passes. Not only in FidoNet but worse than
    that, all over the entire world.

    The Framers of the Constitution made this subject very clear and easy
    to understand. "Congress shall make no law ..."

    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not. There is no middle way.

    That is why James Madison corrected them, by making a few additions.
    Starting with the First Amendment.

    Voltaire (Franthois-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it was
    Evelyn Beatrice Hall that interpreted his thoughts this way:

    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
    right to say it."

    James Madison had a better version.

    Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il-sung and all other
    dictators we know of were all in favour of Freedom of Speech. As long
    as that speech did not oppose to what they regarded as proper.

    Dear boy, freedom of speech does *not* include -

    * to incit actions that would harm others

    * to make or distribute obscene materials

    * to burn draft cards as an anti-war protest

    * to permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over
    the objections of the school administrator

    * of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event

    * of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event

    I could go on. And on. And on. Despite the number of football players
    taking a knee during the singing of the national anthem. Despite the
    antics of a president urging his followers to sack the capitol. Despite
    women refusing to sign up for a draft that does not exist. Or how many
    times the baby trump balloon is flown.

    Remember, "Congress shall make no law ..."

    I'm constantly reminded of what a bad person I am to allow this or
    that user to execute his Freedom of Speech in the FIDONEWS echo. "Ban him!" shouts the crowd. I.e. "No more Freedom of Speech here, unless
    we like it!"

    Yes. You are. And do you know why? I will give you one glaring example:
    "The Moderator shall make no law" is nowhere to be found in the rules.
    You know what that means. Especially since you said it yourself -

    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not. There is no middle way.

    So. There you go. In your own words. A direct threat, to all, what
    happens if you disrupt the feathers of the Moderator of the Fidonews!
    Off with his head! Or her head, if such be the case! The Moderator
    of the Fidonews will *always* have the last word!

    Can't you really see what you are saying? Is it really that hard to
    press the Next key if you find someone opposing to what you regard as proper?

    Well, it's either the <N>ext key or expulsion from the Fidonews!
    So much for "freedom of speech" in this joint ...

    After all, nobody is forcing you to read anything. Neither in a
    FidoNet echo nor on Twitter, FaceBook, Fox News or wherever. Surely
    you have more important matters to be upset with, or even angry with,
    in your lives?

    Donald J. Trump got banned from Twitter. Donald J. Trump also got
    banned from Facebook. And God only knows how many other social media
    platforms. Not to mention his own social media platform, which also
    got banned, along with his desk.

    Once again:

    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not.

    Once again -

    "Congress shall make no law ..."

    It is not just freedom of speech the First Amendment is all about.

    It's your choice, be sure to choose well. Once you've lost it, it
    can take ages to get it back, if ever.

    Who, or what, has the power to decide what constitutes protected
    speech? Are you saying, or suggesting, that only the Moderator of
    the Fidonews echo is The Decider? Come now, you can't be serious.

    The US Constitution, First Amendment, is very clear - "Congress
    shall make no law ..."

    I love anarchy.

    Tom Jennings thought he could control it.
    Yet somehow it got away from him.

    And now look what we have left.

    --Lee

    --
    You're fired, Donald!

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jun 8 09:14:15 2021
    Perhaps the editor is referring to the First Amendment of the
    US Constitution, in which it says "Congress shall make no law ...
    abridging freedom of speech."

    Knowing who the author is, it is very unlikely he would make references to US legal documents with dubious standing.

    That US constitution can be used, in a matter of speech, to prove that the sun did not rise this morning completely ignoring the fact that it is light. Per the US Constitution extra terrestrials already are among us ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Jun 8 09:24:03 2021
    Michiel wrote (2021-06-07):

    MvdV> Since only one encoding can be used for all of Fidonews, anything other
    MvdV> than UTF-8 would disciminate against some.

    Come one. It's _FIDO_news. CP437 is great! We need pretty line-drawing symbols. UTF-8 = ageism.

    BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's already there:
    ASCII is required or encouraged (though not strictly "plain ASCII")


    MvdV> Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?

    "There can only be one" ASCII.

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Jun 8 22:24:46 2021
    07 Jun 2021 21:37, you wrote to me:

    Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it,
    ^

    Did you edit and correct the quoted text when replying?

    I used control J in golded to override the translation imposed by the
    CHRS kludge.

    Ah, ok. That did confuse me, had to check the .PKT to be sure :-)

    BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's already
    there: ASCII is required or encouraged (though not strictly
    "plain ASCII")

    Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?

    Anything < 127, I suppose.

    Carlos
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wed Jun 9 17:15:41 2021
    Hello Ward,

    Perhaps the editor is referring to the First Amendment of the
    US Constitution, in which it says "Congress shall make no law ...
    abridging freedom of speech."

    Knowing who the author is, it is very unlikely he would make references to US legal documents with dubious standing.

    That US constitution can be used, in a matter of speech, to prove that the sun did not rise this morning completely ignoring the fact that it is light. Per the US Constitution extra terrestrials already are among us ...

    May the truth be told -

    https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/space-aliens-are-breeding-humans -university-instructor-says-scientists-say-ncna1008971


    Normally I would have used tiny url or some other url-shortening
    service. But I wanted to make sure whoever reads this knows I am not
    making anything up. After all, the professor has it all figured out,
    including all the details ...

    --Lee

    --
    Black lives matter!

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Carlos Navarro on Thu Jun 10 10:14:12 2021
    Hi, Carlos Navarro!
    I read your message from 08.06.2021 23:24

    CN>>> Did you edit and correct the quoted text when replying?
    CN>
    MV>> I used control J in golded to override the translation
    MV>> imposed by the CHRS kludge.
    CN>
    CN> Ah, ok. That did confuse me, had to check the .PKT to be sure
    CN> :-)
    CN>>> BTW, I hadn't re-read the submission guidelines. It's
    CN>>> already there: ASCII is required or encouraged (though
    CN>>> not strictly "plain ASCII")
    CN>
    MV>> Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?
    CN>
    CN> Anything < 127, I suppose.

    < 128 probably

    ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information Interchange", and they
    don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

    Bye, Carlos!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido.fidonews 2021
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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234 to alexander koryagin on Thu Jun 10 10:52:13 2021
    10 Jun 2021 10:14, you wrote to me:

    Confusing... What is 'not strictly "plain ASCII"'?

    Anything < 127, I suppose.

    < 128 probably

    Anyway I made a typo - I should have written >127

    ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information Interchange", and
    they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

    I know... :-)

    Carlos
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  • From Anna Christina Nass@2:240/5824.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu Jun 10 11:58:00 2021
    Am 10.06.21 schrieb alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 in FIDONEWS:

    Hallo alexander,

    ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information Interchange", and they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)

    But is it ASCII-1963, ASCII-1965 or ASCII-1968? :)

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 11 16:22:34 2021
    On 8/06/2021 09:14, 2292/854 wrote:
    Perhaps the editor is referring to the First Amendment of the
    US Constitution, in which it says "Congress shall make no law ...
    abridging freedom of speech."

    Knowing who the author is, it is very unlikely he would make references
    to US legal documents with dubious standing.

    That US constitution can be used, in a matter of speech, to prove that
    the sun did not rise this morning completely ignoring the fact that it
    is light. Per the US Constitution extra terrestrials already are among
    us ...

    Regarding the "1st amendment", I wonder who passed the libel and slander legislation in the USA?

    --
    Regards
    David

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Anna Christina Nass on Sun Jun 13 22:06:09 2021
    Hi, Anna Christina Nass!
    I read your message from 10.06.2021 12:58

    ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information
    Interchange", and they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)
    But is it ASCII-1963, ASCII-1965 or ASCII-1968? :)

    ASCII with 256 symbols probably may be called not plain but extended?

    Bye, Anna!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido.fidonews 2021
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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jun 14 06:14:47 2021
    alexander wrote (2021-06-13):

    Hi, Anna Christina Nass!
    I read your message from 10.06.2021 12:58

    ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information
    Interchange", and they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)
    But is it ASCII-1963, ASCII-1965 or ASCII-1968? :)

    ASCII with 256 symbols probably may be called not plain but extended?

    People might think there is some character set that is the Extended ASCII. But there is only ASCII and several extensions to ASCII. The ASCII doesn't even know which extension was applied. Is it IBM 866, 437, 850? You could also say these are all distinct character sets which uses ASCII as the first 128 code points.

    Fortunately we now have UTF-8. So we only need to know the difference between Unicode and UTF-8 and how the unsupported Python2 code can be ported to the fucking insane UTF-8 support in Python3.

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  • From Anna Christina Nass@2:240/5824.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jun 14 11:38:00 2021
    Am 13.06.21 schrieb alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 in FIDONEWS:

    Hallo alexander,

    ASCII == "American Standard Code for Information
    Interchange", and they don't need more symbols in the US. ;)
    But is it ASCII-1963, ASCII-1965 or ASCII-1968? :)
    ASCII with 256 symbols probably may be called not plain but extended?

    Yes, it is.
    But I did not mean any "codepages" or sth. like that, but the *revisions*
    of ASCII.
    The first one was introduced in 1963 (and is the base for PETSCII btw),
    then came one revision in 1965 and the final one in 1968, which is still
    in use for the first 128 symbols.

    I just wanted to point out that "ASCII" can, if you want to be picky, mean different things :)

    Regards,
    Anna

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