• A joke. Is it understandable in English?

    From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to All on Mon May 9 13:39:54 2022
    Hi, All!

    "When I was 20 I lifted a weight 300 kilograms!"
    "That's impossible, even a world record-holder didn't do it!"
    "But I lifted. Although I hadn't lifted it."

    :)

    Bye, All!
    Alexander Koryagin

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri May 13 17:24:48 2022
    Alexander Koryagin:

    "When I was 20 I lifted a weight 300 kilograms!"
    "That's impossible, even a world record-holder didn't do it!"
    "But I lifted. Although I hadn't lifted it."

    I see that you hid your question in the subject, forgetting
    that it is the extreme summary of the body, rather than an
    opening sentence:

    A joke. Is it understandable in English?

    Yes, I think that joke can be rendered in English:

    -- When I was twenty I was lifting 200 kg!
    -- Impossible! Even the world record is below that.
    -- Yes I was lifting that weight, although I never lifted it.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Anton Shepelev on Mon May 16 15:16:37 2022
    Hi, Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message from 13.05.2022 17:24


    AK>> "When I was 20 I lifted a weight 300 kilograms!" "That's
    AK>> impossible, even a world record-holder didn't do it!" "But I
    AK>> lifted. Although I hadn't lifted it."

    AS> I see that you hid your question in the subject, forgetting that it
    AS> is the extreme summary of the body, rather than an opening
    AS> sentence:

    AS> A joke. Is it understandable in English?

    AS> Yes, I think that joke can be rendered in English:

    AS> -- When I was twenty I was lifting 200 kg!
    AS> -- Impossible! Even the world record is below that.
    AS> -- Yes I was lifting that weight, although I never lifted it.

    I doubt about the Present Continuous in the first sentence. You should
    point the exact time when you do it, IMHO. If you say about a one year
    period you should use the Simple Past. Besides, nobody said that he
    lifted the weight one time only. :)


    Bye, Anton!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Mon May 16 15:38:06 2022
    I wrote:

    -- When I was twenty I was lifting 200 kg!
    -- Impossible! Even the world record is below that.
    -- Yes I was lifting that weight, although I never lifted it.

    Yes should be Yet. To emphasize the perfect aspect, could
    one conclude with:

    ...although I never did lift it.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Mon May 16 15:48:04 2022
    I wrote:

    -- When I was twenty I was lifting 200 kg!
    -- Impossible! Even the world record is below that.
    -- Yes I was lifting that weight, although I never lifted it.

    Yes should be Yet. To emphasize the perfect aspect, could
    one conclude with:

    ...although I never did lift it.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 16 15:59:08 2022
    Alexander Koryagin to Anton Shepelev:

    -- When I was twenty I was lifting 200 kg!

    I doubt about the Present Continuous in the first
    sentence. You should point the exact time when you do
    it, IMHO. If you say about a one year period you should
    use the Simple Past. Besides, nobody said that he lifted
    the weight one time only. :)

    You interpret Present Perfect as denoting an on-going
    process, whereas I think it can also express a state, e.g.
    the ability to lift a certain weight.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Thu May 19 15:46:24 2022
    Ardith Hinton:

    A total of xxx kilograms in a year is not difficult to
    achieve... for young & able-bodied folk. At 629 grams
    per mug of home made tea or coffee, I'd pass this test
    with flying colours even if I did nothing beyond feeding
    myself.

    I think Alexander's joke is not what you think it is. I
    perceive it based upon the difference between the perfect
    and imperfect aspects of the verb `to lift', which is more
    prominent in Russian than in English. It is the same
    difference as the one between walking on a road and
    traveling the entire length of it, or doing something and
    having done it.

    629 grams of coffee? You strange Americans! 140 grams is
    my daily portion. I buy freshly roasted coffee beens, grind
    them myself immediately before brewing, and make my coffee
    in an electronically-contolled jezwe. I had used a normal
    jezve over an alcohol burner until the office technian made
    my face burn with an harangue about fire-safety :-)

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Anton Shepelev on Fri May 20 11:37:55 2022
    Hi, Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message from 19.05.2022 15:46

    AS> 629 grams of coffee? You strange Americans! 140 grams is
    AS> my daily portion. I buy freshly roasted coffee beens, grind
    AS> ??them myself immediately before brewing, and make my coffee
    AS> in an electronically-contolled jezwe. I had used a normal
    AS> jezve over an alcohol burner until the office technian made

    A jezve is a pot to make coffee on fire. Do you think it can be electronically-contolled? It would a coffee machine probably.

    AS> my face burn with an harangue about fire-safety :-)

    When I was at school me used alcohol burners(spirit lamps) on our
    Chemical lessons. ;-) The firemen were less crazy. Today they paranoidly prohibit everything that with fire. Recently I read an instruction from
    them how citizens should prepare shashlik using a brazier. Believe me or
    not they wrote that a brazier must be make of non-inflammable material.
    ;-) The world became more and more mentally retarded.

    Bye, Anton!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to alexander koryagin on Fri May 20 15:31:14 2022
    Alexander Koryagin:

    A jezve is a pot to make coffee on fire. Do you think it
    can be electronically-contolled? It would a coffee
    machine probably.

    I do not believe in coffee machines. The Jezwe is the
    simplest and oldest method of making coffee, and thefore the
    most perfect. I use this one at the office:

    https://www.timecup.ru/

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Tue Jun 21 09:20:12 2022
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Anton Shepelev
    I read your message from 17.06.2022 01:48

    Alexander's wording leaves the time frame more open to question.
    Because he's telling a joke, I imagine this is probably the effect
    he wanted.

    Charles M. Schulz used a similar strategy in a 1989 PEANUTS
    cartoon:

    Linus: I hear your grandfather has taken up golf.
    Charlie: He's been playing for about a year..
    Lucy: That's a long time to be out on the course..

    ;-)

    <skipped>
    140 grams is my daily portion.
    In wet or dry measurements? If you mean the former, that's about
    the same amount I usually drink in a day... but (as with my
    briefcase) I don't lift it & put it down just once. The preparation
    alone involves a bit of lifting... I take my time over anything
    containing alcohol or caffeine... and on occasions when I have a
    second cup within 24 hours I'll drink a smaller amount.

    As a teacher I worked with someone from the Netherlands who
    obviously preferred stronger coffee. When it was her turn to make
    coffee, I would dilute it 50/50 with boiling water before drinking
    it. I've heard the same applies in other European countries but
    don't know what the average Russian would do. :-)

    The size of a coffee cap in Russia depends on what you are going to eat with your coffee. ;)

    I buy freshly roasted coffee beens, grind them myself immediately
    before brewing, and make my coffee in an electronically-contolled
    jezwe.

    My mother used a coffee percolator, which works with a campfire or
    an oil/wood/electric/gas stove or whatever other source of heat is available. I'm not sure what a "jezwe" is. But nowadays I generally
    prefer the Melitta filter system, which requires little of me
    except to add a cup of boiling water to the pre-ground beans & wait
    60 seconds when I'm making coffee just for myself. :-)

    I tried several times to make coffee from ground roasted coffee beans, but could not make anything worth with my cezve. Have you seen a video in the Internet how to prepare a really good coffee?

    Bye, Ardith!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2022

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Sun Jul 3 00:18:54 2022
    Hello, Alexander Koryagin - Ardith Hinton.
    On 21/06/2022 08:20 you wrote:

    I tried several times to make coffee from ground roasted
    coffee beans, but could not make anything worth with my
    cezve. Have you seen a video in the Internet how to prepare
    a really good coffee?

    Of course. I find these quite good:

    https://youtu.be/h3TzDLH7ecg
    https://youtu.be/KYAMJkllAKc
    https://youtu.be/HJ3s7AusE4Y

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Sun Jul 3 00:50:52 2022
    Hello, Ardith Hinton - Anton Shepelev.
    On 17/06/2022 01:48 you wrote:

    629 grams of coffee? You strange Americans! 1) I'm
    Canadian, actually, but I realize that to many folks from
    the other side of the pond everything in the western
    hemisphere is "American". :-Q

    Your coffee habits sounded so American that I plum(b) forgot the
    location if Wits' End (-:

    2) I didn't specify the weight of the coffee. I specified
    "a mug of home made coffee" because I wanted you to
    understand that I wasn't referring to a flimsy plastic or
    paper cup. The example I chose weighs 370 grams when it is
    empty, and 629 grams when it's filled with tap water. I
    suppose it might weigh a bit more when filled with coffee &
    whatever a person might prefer to add. My point was that
    such items often weigh more than we consciously realize....
    :-)

    They sure do, so your serving is just 259 grams, whereas should
    expect a mug to accomodate at least 400 grams of water or 400
    milliliters of empty space.

    140 grams is my daily portion. In wet or dry
    measurements? If you mean the former, that's about the same
    amount I usually drink in a day... but (as with my
    briefcase) I don't lift it & put it down just once. The
    preparation alone involves a bit of lifting... I take my
    time over anything containing alcohol or caffeine... and on
    occasions when I have a second cup within 24 hours I'll
    drink a smaller amount.

    140 grams of dry coffee? No! I rather mean 140 grams of the
    prepared beverage. It contains about 13 grams of coffee beans.

    As a teacher I worked with someone from the Netherlands who
    obviously preferred stronger coffee. When it was her turn
    to make coffee, I would dilute it 50/50 with boiling water
    before drinking it. I've heard the same applies in other
    European countries but don't know what the average Russian
    would do. :-) AS> I buy freshly roasted coffee beens,
    grind them myself AS> immediately before brewing, and make
    my coffee in an AS> electronically-contolled jezwe. My
    mother used a coffee percolator, which works with a campfire
    or an oil/wood/electric/gas stove or whatever other source
    of heat is available.

    As far as I understand, the percolator tends to overheat and
    overextract coffee, and is therefore uncapable of brewing a
    sweet cup. I have never tried one, though...

    I'm not sure what a "jezwe" is

    It is the traditional vessel for brewing coffee, made of a
    material with high heat conductance and low heat capacity (for
    finer control), slightly tapering towards a neck at the top,
    which helps form a coffee "tablet"--a method of visual
    temperature control.

    The Jezwe is the oldest, simplest, and IMHO best method of
    brewing coffee.

    . But nowadays I generally prefer the Melitta filter
    system, which requires little of me except to add a cup of
    boiling water to the pre-ground beans & wait 60 seconds when
    I'm making coffee just for myself. :-)

    Sounds like the Vietnameese brewing method, whereby ground
    coffee is deposited in a special vessel with a filter at bottom,
    hot water is poured over the coffee, and the brew drips slowly
    into the cup below.

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