• Quotation Marks... 2.

    From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Paul Quinn on Fri Mar 2 18:00:57 2018
    Hi again, Paul! This is a continuation of my previous message to you:

    Just got some more ideas re using single quotation marks as you have
    been. There is an advantage for others who may wish to cite your work, in that
    they can just add double quotes onto the beginning & the end of whatever you've
    said. But who would receive the most benefit from it?? Folks in the "publish-
    or-perish" business who may be using double quotes as *their* default... [BEG].

    Seriously, though, such people have resources we don't have. We are
    limited to what can be done with a standard keyboard. From that POV we can all
    learn from whatever a well-trained stenographer has to say on the subject. :-)



    I see the colon as a mistake. This is as a result
    of doing a lot of reading in my early formative years
    (something I don't do any more except for on-screen
    manuals, etc). I used to read a lot of biographical
    works & sci-fi novellas


    IOW you've never read a lot of plays and/or written a lot of essays,
    as English majors tend to do. The colon is okay AFAIC... [chuckle].



    and this taught me to make use of the comma before
    launching into dialogue and recitation.


    In general, yes... that's how I was taught. Nowadays I tend to omit
    it sometimes because I had a university instructor... probably USAian, I guess,
    based on what I learned in later years... who criticized me for using "too many
    commas". Brits tend to use commas with greater frequency than USAians do. :-)



    I don't know about Aussie English. I'm not the
    typical 'bloke from OZ', though some insurance
    company representatives and telephone survey
    operators try to tell me that I still fit their
    mould.


    Ex-Brit Canadians are an endangered species, apparently, where years
    ago they were in the majority. I notice differences in the way things are done
    hither & yon precisely because... while I live right next to the States & visit
    there often... I grew up on magazines sent to my family by various relatives in
    the Old Country. I'm not typical either. But IMHO I have some unique insights
    to offer as a result... and so do you. I'm convinced you know a lot more about
    Aussie English than yours truly. Everyone in E_T has his or her talents. If I
    forget the names of the verb tenses in English I know there are at least half a
    dozen Fidonetters in Russia who would gladly bail me out. They know this stuff
    because they learned English as a foreign language. It's easier & more fun for
    me to ask them for advice than to dig out my old French & Latin textbooks. ;-)



    Oh, and I failed at Grade 10 English and have the
    certificate to prove it still. But that was a
    lifetime ago.


    In this part of the world at least, there is a fairly steep learning
    curve between grade nine & grade ten. If you relocated in Australia around the
    same time and/or didn't like being chained to a desk while your English teacher
    droned on & on about technicalities which were of little interest to you at the
    time that's quite understandable to me. It's also quite possible that you just
    weren't developmentally ready for the stuff when you were expected to learn it.
    I was very happy when I discovered at thirty-five that I could play softball as
    well as the average ten-year-old. When I was growing up, PE class (i.e. active
    sports) was a nightmare for me. Perhaps I'm a slow learner in that department.
    But I'm comfortable in my own skin now... and I think that's what matters. :-)




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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Ardith Hinton on Fri Jul 6 22:01:02 2018
    Brer Ardith Hinton wrote to Brer Paul Quinn about Quotation Marks... 2.:


    and this taught me to make use of the comma before launching into
    dialogue and recitation.

    In general, yes... that's how I was taught. Nowadays I
    tend to omit it sometimes because I had a university instructor... probably USAian, I guess, based on what I learned in later years...
    who criticized me for using "too many commas". Brits tend to use
    commas with greater frequency than USAians do. :-)

    Ah-Ha! This is something that has been raging in Fidonet for years. My
    wife Nancy is a special education teacher, teaching modern English (not
    Brit) to those who have a learning problem.

    She has always said that commas are something to use to indicate a pause
    in text. If you were speaking that text, too many commas would make you
    sound like you're chopping off the text, losing your point. Thus sounding
    like a Scandinavian in his own tongue.

    Early encounters with one; Bj”rn Felten, a Swede who was taught British English. He used, in my opinion, too many commas and I critized him for
    it.

    That was over ten years ago and today, he's capable of structuring a
    sentence without so many 'pauses'.

    Not that his English grammar and the use of proper words in it is
    concerned though. In that sense, he sometimes uses is for are and sounds somewhat like our own Rev Jackson.

    Or, as Romeo replied when Juliet asked; "Romeo, Romeo, where fore art
    thou?"

    And 'Buckwheat's reply was; 'Here I is!'



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