• What's in fidonews echo?

    From Dallas Hinton@1:153/715 to Denis Mosko on Fri Mar 2 18:00:57 2018
    Hi Denis -- on Nov 04 2012 at 16:47, you wrote:

    I ask becouse i can't see messages in fidonews-echoconference.

    Mostly just a few people arguing about off-topic issues. It's supposed to be for communication with the fidonews editor, as far as I know.


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Paul Quinn on Fri Mar 2 18:00:57 2018
    Hi & welcome, Paul! Recently you wrote in a message to alexanderber koryagin:

    I read this echo using ddt.demos.su. DM's message has
    not seen there (may be this information will be useful).

    DM's message is here at NodeX Station (2:5020/848),
    courtesy of Ivan Agarkov.


    Ah. I gather you have an alternative source where you can track down
    echomail which has fallen into the bit bucket somehow, as do I... [grin].



    Did that help? 8-)


    Whether or not it helped Denis and/or Alexander I'm always interested
    in who's carrying the echo & I'm glad to see you here. Thankyou, Ivan.... :-)



    P.S.

    Thanks to your recommendation, and to your plot summary... akin to my
    own "1066 & All That" style of explaining the history of this weird & wonderful
    language... Dallas & I ordered a copy of the TV series THE ADVENTURE OF ENGLISH
    as a family Christmas gift to ourselves. I'm quite looking forward to it. :-)




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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Paul Quinn on Fri Mar 2 18:00:57 2018
    Hi, Paul! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    I am blessed with kind acquaintences who otherwise
    might be friends in closer circumstances.


    I hear you.... :-)



    Whether or not it helped Denis and/or Alexander I'm
    always interested in who's carrying the echo & I'm
    glad to see you here. Thankyou, Ivan.... :-)

    This is my only reason for visiting. My intention is
    to help our Russian friends where possible. I won't
    dally too long as I feel as uncomfortable here as I
    did in the classroom. ;-)


    Hmm....

    You had some problems with English at school, or with the spelling & grammar critics in another echo? Perhaps I can set your mind at ease.

    Anyone interested in learning more about English is welcome here, as long as they leave their high horse securely restrained outside. This echo is not just for people who are learning English as a foreign language. (Heard in the EdBiz: "If you want to learn something, teach it!") We don't draw a line in the sand dividing students & teachers... we often swap roles.

    I don't correct other people's spelling, grammar, or whatever unless they've indicated they would like me to do it... and even then I usually limit the number of corrections to one or two per message. I think you'll find that folks here are much more interested in what you have to say than in evaluating how you say it. You don't want to feel you're drowning in a sea of red ink; I don't want to lose sight of who you are while preoccupied with mechanics. :-)



    Rest assured that this echo is also read at the opposite
    extremity of our continent, in Perth. Or, at least I
    ought to say that it is distributed in that direction.


    Thankyou... I'm glad to hear that. IMHO it might be fun to have two or three Aussies in this echo. I've noticed elsewhere how the Aussies talk to one another. I find it very interesting, entertaining, and educational. :-))



    I applaud your use of 'white space' in an electronic age.


    I attach a lot more importance to the readability of my work than to saving key strokes or cramming as many letters as possible onto a single line, but I do seem to be in the minority. Thanks for the validation.... :-)




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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/400 to mark lewis on Sat Mar 3 08:24:55 2018
    From: "alexander koryagin" <koryagin@erec.ru>

    F2EP
    Hi, mark lewis! How are you?
    on Friday, 09 of November, I read your message to alexander koryagin
    about "What's in fidonews echo?"


    I ask becouse i can't see messages in fidonews-echoconference.

    you'd be better off checking your linkage to that area with your
    uplinks... according to the PATH in your message, they would be...

    5030/2404 Igor Zakharoff Gorbunki village Station
    5020/2140 Sergey Poziturin Pushkins station
    5020/1042 Michael Dukelsky f1042.ru (Hub)
    5020/4441 Yuri Myakotin 195.24.225.1
    5020/715 Alex Barinov New World (Hub)

    [...]

    I read this echo using ddt.demos.su. DM's message has not seen
    there (may be this information will be useful).

    thanks for your reply, alexander... your PATH joins with DM's PATH at 5020/4441... if both of you have the same PATH to my system in
    FIDONEWS, then i would look at least as far as 5020/1042... it is
    possible that michael, sergey or igor have simply unlinked the echo for some reason... hopefully DM can find the break and get it fixed...

    If you tell of my messages to Fidonews I can say that there is no (english) Fidonews at ddt.demos.su, so I read/write there from vp.propush.net gate (this is a usual fidonet node 2:5020/2140 which has its own NNTP gate. I have a fido address there 2:5020/2140.91).

    PS: many web sites (for instance Google groups) that provide access to the Russian Fidonet groups use ddt.demos.su as a source.

    [...A mosquito bit a drunk fishman and then complained of its life, for two hours]
    Bye mark!
    Alexander (yAlexKo[]yandex.ru) + 2:5020/2140.91
    fido7.english-tutor 2012



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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/400 to Paul Quinn on Sat Mar 3 08:24:55 2018
    From: "alexander koryagin" <koryagin@erec.ru>

    F2EP
    Hi, Paul Quinn! How are you?
    on Friday, 16 of November, I read your message to alexander koryagin
    about "What's in fidonews echo?"

    I watched it with pleasure.
    Don't stop there, mate. The best bits can be seen from: http://www.youtube.com/user/klidstone1970
    You will need to navigate around a little to find his links to the series.

    I'll probably download all chapters from internet.

    I did find the episode 'hosted'[?] by Faisal Kareem to be refreshing, only from the point of view that someone could be so dedicated to the cause such as to translate a documentary on the English language into Farsi sub-titles. On the other hand, and co-incidently, it may indicate an interest by his Farsi speaking fellows.

    Well, learning languages is funny and is not a waste of time. Although, after reading "Arthas: Rise of the Lich King" I thought how
    much crazy must have been the Russian who had translated it for Russian people. ;-))

    Yes, it is not easy to communicate when there are more than 200
    languages in the country. Probably English became a mediator for
    the Indian people. However, their languages themselves, are
    probably very similar as they are so close together.

    Would it be true that all Russian citizens speak the same language?
    (I don't know. You tell me.) I certainly know that I cannot understand some Englishmen, as I once worked with a guy who came
    from North Yorkshire (near Scotland).

    Russians, Byelorussians, Ukrainians have very close languages. I
    think they would been even closer if these people had lived together at
    a smaller territory. But Byelorussians and Ukrainians for a long time
    lived as part of Poland that's why their languages have many Polish traits. BTW, Poland captured even Moscow and in Russia was a Polish
    tzar. Who ended badly, however.

    <skipped>
    Although, no wonder, do you know. If I haven't told you my theory
    already I can tell that India and China are two perfect places
    where people gather together after another boulder-period comes on
    Earth.

    I don't understand this "boulder-period" term, Alexander. Do you
    mean 'Stone Age'? It's a term that encompasses 'pre-history'. Is
    that close?

    "Boulder-period" (as I read in my dictionary) is a geological term
    for the period in Earth's history when the climate became very cold and
    almost all the planet became covered with thick glaciers. The last one
    was 10-35 thousand years ago. The glaciers moved to the south, literally striping everything on their way. No wonder we can't find many traces of
    human life in such a period and before it, naturally.

    In short, it looks as this. A huge glacier intrudes into Europe
    and Asia and sweeps all the people to south, like a floor cloth
    sweeps roaches.

    Interesting theory. However I understand that most scientific research (genetics, climate, archeology & paleontology) indicates
    the movement of populations as going the other way around. The
    first peoples to leave Africa were the Neanderthals, before the
    great Ice Age (roughly 500,000 years ago).

    The Earth had many such periods. And it even will be very probable
    that it'll have it soon again. It is a periodic process. As far as all
    the ice become water it causes great atmospheric fall-outs and show
    covers the Earth. All the heat started to be reflected into space (by
    clouds or show). As the result we have another icy period. Then again we
    thaw out. ;-)

    The second great exodus from Africa departed just as the last vestiges of the Ice Age were retreating, in various stages during
    the period of 50,000-26,000 years ago. Their offspring, early versions of _us_ on the European branch, met and mated with the
    last survivors of the Neanderthals just as they were dying out.

    They don't died out. We all once met together in India and -- It is
    easy to guess what can happen when many people gather in one place. ;)
    Just guess what happened with modern people if water level raises and
    flood some lands. It will be a time of crazy wars. It is only seemed
    that humans are irreversibly civilized people.

    The eventual Asiatic branches (and there were many) settled in various stages of evolutionary 'states' (e.g. Arabian, Slavic, Indian, Tibetan, Chinese, Polynesian, etc) in their geographical locations as we find them today.

    Oh, by the way. Australian aborigines are believed to be related to
    the Indian sub-branch, which indicates that their ancestors were extreme explorers. :)

    When a glacier period is ON, the level of water in oceans is about 50
    meters lower than now. So it is very funny when scientists now consider continents as they are now. Earth's surface was much greater than now.
    And, BTW, the people then also liked to live along ocean shores. ;-)
    That's another reason we can't find their traces. Besides, Earth's surface sometimes is much smaller than now. It interesting, is India is
    a refuge for people in this case, too? ;)

    I mean that people actually have no other way than going to safety
    to India (for Europe) and to China (for Asia and Siberia). It is
    the only reason why India and China have so a big population.

    The answer is more simple than that. All great population centers
    are based on large river systems. Both India & China are blessed
    with wonderful drainage systems: big rivers. :) The same goes for Thailand, Laos & Vietnam, Iraq & Iran, and Egypt.

    It is clear, imho, that the numbers of Chinese and Indian population
    are abnormally big. China, for instance, has big water resources but the
    life there is not as easy so to allow such an unrestrained propagation.

    Similar matter was in China. The Himalayas separated people that
    gathered in China from the people that gathered in India. That's
    why Chinese people don't resemble India related people. They
    actually became another race. As well as their language and the
    way of thinking. When Buddhism penetrated to China it smoothed the
    discrepancies but only smoothed.

    That's a nice fairy tale, Alexander. Resemblance tells nothing,
    like our saying 'you cannot judge a book by its cover'. You need to research more on genetics my friend. The only peoples different
    from the rest of the world's population, genetically speaking, are Africans. They do not have Neanderthal gene traces. That's it. Everyone else carries identical genes. But, we are all the same
    race of humanoids.

    I don't deny that modern humans have common ancestry. It means that
    people migrated across the globe many times, but in two ways. A normal
    way - a slow movement when local resources becomes scarce. And another
    way - when people saved their lives when climate changed. So the human history is a very dark matter and cannot be traced accurately by present
    days findings.

    [...The cask savours of the first fill]
    Bye Paul!
    Alexander (yAlexKo[]yandex.ru) + 2:5020/2140.91
    fido7.english-tutor 2012



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