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    From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to All on Fri Oct 30 09:45:06 2020
    Hi, All!

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    Whatever the building was built for, it hadn't been
    doing it for a long time. The corridor was dirty and
    lined with rubbish - cardboard boxes, mounds of paper,
    bin-liners, and half-way down, a mountain bike without
    wheels.
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    What are "bin-liners"?

    Bye, All!

    Alexander Koryagin

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Oct 31 14:36:12 2020
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to All:

    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Whatever the building was built for, it hadn't been
    doing it for a long time. The corridor was dirty and
    lined with rubbish - cardboard boxes, mounds of paper,
    bin-liners, and half-way down, a mountain bike without
    wheels.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    What are "bin-liners"?


    I take this to mean new... or used... plastic bags of a type which is often employed to cover the interior surfaces of a garbage can/trash bin/waste receptacle and thus make it fairly easy to keep the container clean. It's not clear to me, however, whether or not the boxes & bags are empty.

    Perhaps somebody moved out of a business office or whatever, and left discarded papers in these boxes & bags... and then some other person(s) looked through the stuff hoping to find something useful to them. WRT the bike, I've heard of bicycle wheels being stolen here in Vancouver. I wonder if the owner forgot about it or chose to keep the wheels & abandon the other parts.... :-)




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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Sun Nov 1 13:43:44 2020
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! ->Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 31.10.2020 13:36

    Perhaps somebody moved out of a business office or whatever, and
    left discarded papers in these boxes & bags... and then some other person(s) looked through the stuff hoping to find something useful
    to them. WRT the bike, I've heard of bicycle wheels being stolen
    here in Vancouver. I wonder if the owner forgot about it or chose
    to keep the wheels & abandon the other parts....

    The problem where to keep things safer is actual around the world. For instance, where to keep your money safer -- in bank or at home? In bank
    your money are eaten by inflation, but at home they can be taken by more conventional robbers. ;-)


    Bye, Ardith!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Denis Mosko@2:5064/54.1315 to All on Sun Nov 1 21:13:58 2020
    are changed. t7 no longer runs via Mosfilmovskaya Strret, Lomonosovsky and <ichurinskiy Avenues, heading instead directly to Lomonosovskiy Avenue via Kosygina street.

    What is "t7"?

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Nov 7 19:20:50 2020
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    WRT the bike, I've heard of bicycle wheels being stolen
    here in Vancouver. I wonder if the owner forgot about it
    or chose to keep the wheels & abandon the other parts....

    The problem where to keep things safer is actual around
    the world.


    Yes, I'm sure it is. You may think your bicycle is safe because you chained & locked it, but you can't count on that around here. And what one may think of as big-city problems also appear in the suburbs & elsewhere... (sigh).



    For instance, where to keep your money safer -- in bank
    | in a bank or in the bank

    or at home?

    In bank your money are eaten by inflation,
    | your money is [blah blah]. Dollars, Euros, rubles etc.
    are countable... the word "money" isn't.


    Or bank fees or whatever. Here in Canada the federal government now provides deposit insurance (up to a limited amount) so that it's unlikely we'll find our life savings reduced to zero in an eyeblink, as many people apparently did long ago. The theory, however, has not yet been rigorously tested.... :-Q



    but at home they can be taken by more conventional
    robbers. ;-)


    Uh-huh. Dallas & I read a book by a professional thief, in which it was made quite clear that such people know where others are most likely to hide their valuables regardless of how clever they think they've been. We have also heard from friends & relatives about their experiences while travelling abroad. One individual said his watch was stolen in England from underneath his pillow, although he slept with his head on the latter. Another noticed someone outside his bedroom window who quickly disappeared when it became obvious he was awake. And a friend's wallet was stolen in Italy... apparently by "a cute little girl"
    ... from the pouch he carries underneath his middle-aged belly.

    If you hide your $$$ under the mattress, under the edge of a carpet, etc. it seems likely dishonest people will check out such places first.... :-Q




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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Mon Nov 9 13:17:02 2020
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 07.11.2020 19:20

    For instance, where to keep your money safer -- in bank
    | in a bank or in the bank

    It's interesting why "on board" is written without article? So you can do it if you want very much. ;)

    or at home?
    In bank your money are eaten by inflation,
    | your money is [blah blah]. Dollars, Euros, rubles etc.
    are countable... the word "money" isn't.

    Is it the same in American and British English? It seems to me in British English, for instance, "the police" is plural, and in American English, is single. Also IMHO "the government".

    Or bank fees or whatever. Here in Canada the federal government now provides deposit insurance (up to a limited amount) so that it's
    unlikely we'll find our life savings reduced to zero in an
    eyeblink, as many people apparently did long ago. The theory,
    however, has not yet been rigorously tested....: - Q

    IMHO government compensates you only if a bank went bankrupt. But there can be situation with a high inflation and low deposit interest. You lose your money slowly and perfectly lawfully. ;-)

    but at home they can be taken by more conventional robbers.
    Uh-huh. Dallas & I read a book by a professional thief, in which it
    was made quite clear that such people know where others are most
    likely to hide their valuables regardless of how clever they think
    they've been. We have also heard from friends & relatives about
    their experiences while travelling abroad. One individual said his
    watch was stolen in England from underneath his pillow, although he
    slept with his head on the latter. Another noticed someone outside
    his bedroom window who quickly disappeared when it became obvious
    he was awake. And a friend's wallet was stolen in Italy...
    apparently by "a cute little girl".. from the pouch he carries
    underneath his middle-aged belly.

    I remember my purse had been stolen in France, in Grenoble, when I was there on my business trip to the local Atomic center. I forgot it in my room, and when I went back the window was opened and the purse had disappeared. I suspected then an employee of the hotel. After that I took my handkerchief and sewed a little bag from it with a lace and wore it on my neck. It was fortune for me that the assignment allowance for me arrived after that. ;=)

    If you hide your $$$ under the mattress, under the edge of a
    carpet, etc. it seems likely dishonest people will check out such
    places first....: - Q

    Yeah, they know where to search first. :-)

    Bye, Ardith Hinton!
    Alexander Koryagin

    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Denis Mosko on Mon Nov 9 21:34:22 2020
    Hi, Denis! Recently you wrote in a message to All:

    t7 no longer runs via Mosfilmovskaya Strret,
    Lomonosovsky and <ichurinskiy Avenues, heading
    instead directly to Lomonosovskiy Avenue via
    Kosygina street.

    What is "t7"?


    I've never been to Moscow... but this sounds to me like the name of a bus, commuter train, or subway route. I guess the name hasn't changed although the itinerary has been modified somewhat. :-)




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Denis Mosko@2:5064/54.1315 to Ardith Hinton on Tue Nov 10 10:16:36 2020
    t7 no longer runs via Mosfilmovskaya Street,
    Lomonosovsky and <ichurinskiy Avenues, heading
    instead directly to Lomonosovskiy Avenue via
    Kosygina street.
    What is "t7"?
    I've never been to Moscow... but this sounds to me like the
    name of a bus, commuter train, or subway route. I guess the name
    hasn't changed although the itinerary has been modified somewhat. :-)
    Ardith, YES. It is elecrobus. What is communter train?

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed Nov 11 19:56:40 2020
    Hi, Alexander! Further to our recent conversation on this topic:

    I notice you said "robber" where I said "thief". Many people think of these words as synonymous... but from a legal standpoint burglary, robbery, and theft are not exactly the same. Now I feel a song coming on... [chuckle].


    Theft or thievery = the act of stealing, i.e. taking something
    which belongs to somebody else without their permission. This
    term is more general than the others & may be used WRT both.

    Robbery = using threats &/or violence to force other people to
    relinquish control over e.g. their own wallets or the contents
    of the cash register in a shop.

    Burglary = gaining illegal access to a structure with the goal
    of committing a crime. While it's also known as "breaking and
    entering", the means of entry could include using a stolen key
    or entering via an unlocked window.


    Various examples & historical anecdotes available on request. :-))




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    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Thu Nov 12 09:13:50 2020
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 11.11.2020 19:56


    Theft or thievery = the act of stealing, i.e. taking something
    which belongs to somebody else without their permission. This term
    is more general than the others & may be used WRT both.

    Robbery = using threats &/or violence to force other people to
    relinquish control over e.g. their own wallets or the contents of
    the cash register in a shop.

    Burglary = gaining illegal access to a structure with the goal of committing a crime. While it's also known as "breaking and
    entering", the means of entry could include using a stolen key or
    entering via an unlocked window.

    A very useful piece of knowledge. Thanks.

    Various examples & historical anecdotes available on request. :-))

    Oh, you are very welcome! ;-)

    Bye, Ardith Hinton!
    Alexander Koryagin

    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Denis Mosko on Mon Nov 16 04:21:48 2020
    Hi, Denis! Recently you wrote in netmail to Ardith Hinton:

    This term is more general than the others & may be
    used WRT both.

    What is WRT, Ardith?


    It's an abbreviation used in Fidonet for "with regard to".... :-)




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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Tue Nov 17 16:12:44 2020
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    Various examples & historical anecdotes available
    on request. :-))

    Oh, you are very welcome! ;-)


    Okay... here's one. As you probably know, Americans drive on the right side of the road & people in a majority of other countries do too. But things haven't always been that way. When it really mattered which side of a horse a knight mounted on & what the chances were of meeting up with an enemy who was approaching from the opposite direction, it made sense to keep to the left. The situation changed in the 18th century when teamsters began hauling farm produce from one place to another. Most preferred to drive on the right because, with a team of horses working in pairs, they'd sit on the left where they could simultaneously use their dominant hand to control the horses & see that their wheels didn't get tangled up with other people's wheels.

    The aristocracy still wanted do things the way they were used to, and others sometimes resented being forced to the right when horsemen passed. But over time continental Europe, Russia, and the US all accepted the idea of driving on the right. From my POV as a student of language this is where the story gets a lot more interesting. I understand that when stage coaches were used in the US somebody would probably be "riding shotgun", and that in those days people were routinely told "don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes" because the firearms which were available at the time couldn't be aimed with the same degree of precision as modern weaponry. There had been highway robbers in England since medieval times at least... e.g. Robin Hood. I think they'd have found it advantageous to conceal themselves on a horseman's left. Later on, in SomePlace Else, it made sense to position whoever was guarding a coach on the driver's right... where assailants would be more likely to hide.

    AFAIC it doesn't matter which side of the road other folks prefer driving on as long as there is general agreement WRT how things are done. In Montreal there are two types of pedestrians... i.e. the quick & the dead. In LOndon the same applies, but you must look "right-left-right" before crossing the street despite what's been drilled into you since you were knee-high to a grasshopper. I survived both. Meanwhile, folks here in BC drove on the left until it became problematic that our neighbours to the south didn't. Not all provinces changed at the same time... but BC did it about a century ago. :-)




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Wed Nov 18 10:30:14 2020
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 17.11.2020 16:12

    Various examples & historical anecdotes available on request. :-))
    Oh, you are very welcome!

    Okay... here's one. As you probably know, Americans drive on the
    right side of the road & people in a majority of other countries do
    too. But things haven't always been that way. When it really
    mattered which side of a horse a knight mounted on & what the
    chances were of meeting up with an enemy who was approaching from
    the opposite direction, it made sense to keep to the left. The
    situation changed in the 18th century when teamsters began hauling
    farm produce from one place to another. Most preferred to drive on
    the right because, with a team of horses working in pairs, they'd
    sit on the left where they could simultaneously use their dominant
    hand to control the horses & see that their wheels didn't get
    tangled up with other people's wheels.

    I also want to note, that women also were road traffic participants, and during those times they sat on their horses sidelong with their both legs hung on the left side of horse. So, if the traffic on roads had been right-sided women could have gone under the horse approaching from the opposite direction, in case they fell from their own horses. It case of left-side movement they could get safely into the road ditch, the worst scenario. ;-)

    The aristocracy still wanted do things the way they were used to,
    and others sometimes resented being forced to the right when
    horsemen passed. But over time continental Europe, Russia, and the
    US all accepted the idea of driving on the right. From my POV as a
    student of language this is where the story gets a lot more
    interesting. I understand that when stage coaches were used in the
    US somebody would probably be "riding shotgun", and that in those
    days people were routinely told "don't fire until you see the
    whites of their eyes" because the firearms which were available at
    the time couldn't be aimed with the same degree of precision as
    modern weaponry. There had been highway robbers in England since
    medieval times at least... e.g. Robin Hood. I think they'd have
    found it advantageous to conceal themselves on a horseman's left.
    Later on, in SomePlace Else, it made sense to position whoever was guarding a coach on the driver's right... where assailants would be
    more likely to hide.

    So, returning to our horses, the women used to dismount from both horses and carriages from the left -- and a universal rule, as we know, is a good and easy rule. You should not rake your brains and think which variant is better. That's why they still follow the rule in England. ;-)

    AFAIC it doesn't matter which side of the road other folks prefer
    driving on as long as there is general agreement WRT how things are
    done. In Montreal there are two types of pedestrians... i.e. the
    quick & the dead. In LOndon the same applies, but you must
    look "right-left-right" before crossing the street despite what's
    been drilled into you since you were knee-high to a grasshopper. I survived both. Meanwhile, folks here in BC drove on the left until
    it became problematic that our neighbours to the south didn't. Not
    all provinces changed at the same time... but BC did it about a
    century ago.

    It's interesting to look at how the road with left-driving rules is passing into the right-driving road, especially if the road have a good traffic. ;-)

    Bye, Ardith Hinton!
    Alexander Koryagin

    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Mon Nov 23 20:42:10 2020
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    For instance, where to keep your money safer -- in bank
    | in a bank or in the bank

    It's interesting why "on board" is written without article?
    So you can do it if you want very much. ;)


    Yes, we spoke earlier of how e.g. some people say "in hospital" and others say "in the hospital". At first I thought the difference might have to do with where they grew up... but since you brought the matter to my attention I've noticed some of the same people (including Dallas & me) using both. :-))



    or at home?
    In bank your money are eaten by inflation,
    | your money is [blah blah]. Dollars, Euros, rubles etc.
    are countable... the word "money" isn't.

    Is it the same in American and British English?


    According to my Canadian dictionaries, "money" can be pluralized if you have in your possession substantial amounts from different countries or if you're treasurer of an organization which has various sources of income... but While that would justify using "are" a few francs left over from your business trip to Grenoble probably wouldn't count in most people's eyes. And AFAIK the situation is much the same in both US & UK English. I'd welcome comments from other readers, however, because I'm always open to further input.... :-)



    It seems to me in British English, for instance, "the
    police" is plural, and in American English, is single.
    Also IMHO "the government".


    Although that rings a bell in the back of my mind, I would hesitate to make a rule about it unless I've heard a gazillion examples and/or FOWLER'S says so. I regard "police" & "government" as collective nouns because in both cases we're speaking of a group of individuals. From a grammatical standpoint we can treat the group as a unit (singular) or as xxx people (plural), and the choice we make depends on the context & on which we want to emphasize.... :-)



    IMHO government compensates you only if a bank went bankrupt.


    That's my understanding too.



    But there can be situation with a high inflation and low deposit
    interest. You lose your money slowly and perfectly lawfully. ;-)


    Yes. But if you hide it under the mattress its original value will still be eaten up by inflation... that's what I was thinking of.



    I remember my purse had been stolen in France, in Grenoble,
    when I was there on my business trip to the 0local Atomic
    center. I forgot it in my room, and when I went back the
    window was opened and the purse had disappeared. I suspected
    then an employee of the hotel. After that I took my
    handkerchief and sewed a little bag from it with a lace and
    wore it on my neck.


    IOW you made a drawstring bag. Very creative.... :-)

    A backpack... with my purse in it... was stolen in Los Angeles. We didn't realize until after the fact that our rental car came with a sticker in one of the back windows which made it fairly obvious we were tourists. At the hotels there were signs advising us to lock valuables in the trunk, as we did. That's what I'd have done at home... where I had an old car with a lot of rust around the wheel wells etc. and coveted the bumper sticker saying "Don't laugh
    -- it's paid for!" Nobody tried to steal anything from *that* car, although I drove it to a few less than salubrious parts of Vancouver. I reckon it looked to passers-by as if the driver didn't own anything worth stealing. With these older vehicles it was also far more difficult to get into the trunk than it is with modern cars... which at the time I knew very little about.

    Fortunately, I had my keys in my pocket & Dallas had my passport in his pocket. Nowadays I wear garments with several pockets if I can find them. It's not easy to find female garments like that. But apparently it is easy to steal handbags, shoulder bags, and backpacks if one is so inclined.... (sigh).




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Denis Mosko on Tue Nov 24 17:06:07 2020
    Hi, Denis! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    What is "t7"?

    I've never been to Moscow... but this sounds to me like
    the name of a bus, commuter train, or subway route. I
    guess the name hasn't changed although the itinerary has
    been modified somewhat. :-)

    Ardith, YES. It is elecrobus.


    A bus which runs on electricity? In Vancouver, a lot of the buses have poles on the roof which receive electrical power from overhead wires. We call these trolley buses, but streetcars & some trains work the same way. :-)



    What is communter train?


    A commuter is a person who lives a considerable distance away from where they work and uses a car &/or public transit (such as a bus or train) to travel between a suburb or small community & the city on a regular basis.

    English being the way it is, "commuter" began life as a noun which nowadays may also be used... without inflection... as an adjective. :-)




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Wed Nov 25 08:12:02 2020
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 23.11.2020 20:42

    But there can be situation with a high inflation and low deposit
    interest. You lose your money slowly and perfectly lawfully.

    A situation! I missed that damn thing again! ;-)

    Yes. But if you hide it under the mattress its original value will
    still be eaten up by inflation... that's what I was thinking of.

    In Russia people can buy stable foreign currencies and store it under mattresses. But it is probably more risky than storing in the bank. Especially if you haven't a strong safe hidden behind several steel doors and alarm system. ;)

    A backpack... with my purse in it... was stolen in Los Angeles. We
    didn't realize until after the fact that our rental car came with a sticker in one of the back windows which made it fairly obvious we
    were tourists. At the hotels there were signs advising us to lock valuables in the trunk, as we did. That's what I'd have done at
    home... where I had an old car with a lot of rust around the wheel
    wells etc. and coveted the bumper sticker saying "Don't laugh --
    it's paid for!" Nobody tried to steal anything from *that* car,

    "to covet" is "to want very much". Why does the sticker is coveted?

    although I drove it to a few less than salubrious parts of
    Vancouver.

    So, "salubrious" can be pertain not only to the person's health, but to the criminal situation, too.

    I reckon it looked to passers-by as if the driver didn't
    own anything worth stealing. With these older vehicles it was also
    far more difficult to get into the trunk than it is with modern
    cars... which at the time I knew very little about.

    Do the locks in the old vehicles are more sophisticated?

    Fortunately, I had my keys in my pocket & Dallas had my passport in
    his pocket. Nowadays I wear garments with several pockets if I can
    find them. It's not easy to find female garments like that. But
    apparently it is easy to steal handbags, shoulder bags, and
    backpacks if one is so inclined.... (sigh).

    Do they pay now in cash, or people now pay with credit card only?

    Bye, Ardith!
    Alexander Koryagin

    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Mon Nov 30 23:56:11 2020
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    When it really mattered which side of a horse a knight
    mounted on & what the chances were of meeting up with
    an enemy who was approaching from the opposite direction,
    it made sense to keep to the left.

    I also want to note, that women also were road traffic
    participants, and during those times they sat on their
    horses sidelong with their both legs hung on the left
    side of horse.


    Yes... we call it "riding sidesaddle". Years ago I saw a picture of Queen Elizabeth II mounted that way on a formal occasion when she was wearing a full-length skirt. In less formal situations she & other female members of the royal family evidently wear jodhpurs (riding breeches). Until the 20th century it would have been unthinkable, however, for a female to wear trousers.... :-)



    So, if the traffic on roads had been right-sided women
    could have gone under the horse approaching from the
    opposite direction, in case they fell from their own
    horses. It case of left-side movement they could get
    safely into the road ditch, the worst scenario. ;-)


    Good point. I am told right-handed people generally prefer to mount from the left & horses generally learn to expect that. It would be safer, both for males & females, to mount/dismount at the edge of the road than to walk out into the traffic... and when we were in England I didn't see wide, deep ditches like some of the ones I've noticed in rural areas around here. On flood plains & river deltas these may be filled with stagnant water more often than not.

    At any rate, the thought has occurred to me too that a person who is riding sidesaddle may be in great danger of falling... [chuckle].



    So, returning to our horses, the women used to dismount
    from both horses and carriages from the left -- and a
    universal rule, as we know, is a good and easy rule.


    I hadn't thought about carriages, but I get the drift. :-)



    You should not rake your brains and think which variant
    is better. That's why they still follow the rule in
    England. ;-)


    Dallas has driven in England with me as a passenger & navigator. We both thought the roundabouts there were a great idea because they don't take up a lot of space... and if you're not sure which exit to use you can drive around in circles until you've figured it out. On North American freeways you may not get a second chance to read the signage, and if you take the wrong exit you can easily waste half an hour getting to wherever you should have been.

    Why don't we use roundabouts here? Theoretically they ought to work if all the directions are reversed... but, as often happens when somebody comes up with what they consider to be an improvement on the traditional way of doing things, a few details were overlooked. We've kept the rule that the vehicle on the right has "right of way" although we drive on the opposite side of the road
    ... and usually we make it work. But in some intersections it doesn't.... :-)



    Meanwhile, folks here in BC drove on the left until
    it became problematic that our neighbours to the south
    didn't. Not all provinces changed at the same time...
    but BC did it about a century ago.

    It's interesting to look at how the road with left-driving
    rules is passing into the right-driving road, especially
    if the road have a good traffic. ;-)


    Yes, I reckon it must have been quite a challenge to switch from one to the other upon crossing the border. I don't know how it was done, but I see that as the population increases the volume of traffic increases as well. :-))




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Sun Dec 6 19:12:33 2020
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    A situation! I missed that damn thing again! ;-)


    You missed the article, then corrected yourself. Not to worry. The other day I unintentionally omitted a proposition. Even English teachers make misteaks. What matters AFAIC is that you can correct your own errors.... :-)



    In Russia people can buy stable foreign currencies and
    store it under mattresses.


    Uh-huh. We can buy some foreign currencies from the banks here, but it seems there's risk involved in whatever course of action one takes.... ;-)



    "to covet" is "to want very much".


    Yes. Generally, however, the word implies that what a person wants belongs to someone else. It's akin to "envy", but without the connotations of bitterness I see in the dictionary definition of the latter.



    Why does the sticker is coveted?


    Why did I covet this sticker?

    a) I found it amusing because I might have said the same about my
    own car if I'd thought of it first.

    b) AFAIK it is/was a rarity. The only example I've ever seen was
    on another old clunker which passed me not very far from where
    Dallas & I lived years ago. I'd have considered buying one of
    my own, but had no idea where to find one. Every time we went
    to an automotive shop I searched for it in vain.



    although I drove it to a few less than salubrious parts
    of Vancouver.

    So, "salubrious" can be pertain not only to the person's
    health, but to the criminal situation, too.


    That is essentially what I had in mind, although you probably won't see any reference to the latter in the dictionary.... :-))



    Do the locks in the old vehicles are more sophisticated?


    My car came with two keys... one for the trunk & the glove box, one for the doors & the ignition (the former being a lot more complicated than the latter). And unlike our rental car it didn't have a lever you could pull from inside the car to unlock the trunk. Anyone who wanted to break into the trunk would have had to work where folks on the sidewalk could easily see them. :-)



    Do they pay now in cash, or people now pay with credit
    card only?


    COVID-19 has turned the world upside down. Many businesses are now reluctant to handle cash... but when customers pay by credit card the business must pay an annual fee as well as a commission on each purchase. When smaller businesses such as Mom & Dad's Grocery can't afford to do that they must still accept cash. If their produce is better & cheaper than what I can find at the local supermarket, and they offer more variety, I may still choose to buy such things from Mom & Dad whenever their shop isn't particularly crowded.

    I can order stuff online, pay for it by credit card, and pick it up at the supermarket without having to enter the building... but this system has its disadvantages. Often they run out of something & you don't know until you get there that they don't have it although other stores do. Another problem I see is that I like to choose produce, milk, eggs, and whatnot for myself. :-Q




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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Mon Dec 7 14:13:08 2020
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! ->Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 30.11.2020 23:56

    When it really mattered which side of a horse a knight mounted on
    & what the chances were of meeting up with an enemy who was
    approaching from the opposite direction, it made sense to keep to
    the left.

    I also want to note, that women also were road traffic
    participants, and during those times they sat on their horses
    sidelong with their both legs hung on the left side of horse.

    Yes... we call it "riding sidesaddle". Years ago I saw a picture of
    Queen Elizabeth II mounted that way on a formal occasion when she
    was wearing a full-length skirt. In less formal situations she &
    other female members of the royal family evidently wear jodhpurs
    (riding breeches). Until the 20th century it would have been
    unthinkable, however, for a female to wear trousers....

    So we see why the cavaliers could not afford the right road traffic. If the queen got off the horse/carriage from the left side going to the Buckingham palace, it was a strong example. ;)

    So, if the traffic on roads had been right-sided women could have
    gone under the horse approaching from the opposite direction, in
    case they fell from their own horses. It case of left-side
    movement they could get safely into the road ditch, the worst
    scenario.

    Good point. I am told right-handed people generally prefer to mount
    from the left & horses generally learn to expect that. It would be
    safer, both for males & females, to mount/dismount at the edge of

    Yes, it is also a point. And I can see no good reasons why did they migrate to the right side traffic.

    <skipped>
    So, returning to our horses, the women used to dismount from both
    horses and carriages from the left -- and a universal rule, as we
    know, is a good and easy rule.
    I hadn't thought about carriages, but I get the drift.
    You should not rake your brains and think which variant is better.
    That's why they still follow the rule in England.

    Dallas has driven in England with me as a passenger & navigator. We
    both thought the roundabouts there were a great idea because they
    don't take up a lot of space... and if you're not sure which exit
    to use you can drive around in circles until you've figured it out.
    On North American freeways you may not get a second chance to read
    the signage, and if you take the wrong exit you can easily waste
    half an hour getting to wherever you should have been.

    But we also have a circular motion in the places where several roads are connected with a doughnut style road. It works, too. ;)


    Bye, Ardith Hinton!
    Alexander Koryagin

    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Tue Dec 8 08:55:10 2020
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 06.12.2020 19:12

    A situation! I missed that damn thing again!

    You missed the article, then corrected yourself. Not to worry. The
    other day I unintentionally omitted a proposition. Even English
    teachers make misteaks. What matters AFAIC is that you can correct
    your own errors....

    Did you mean a preposition?

    In Russia people can buy stable foreign currencies and store it
    under mattresses.

    Uh-huh. We can buy some foreign currencies from the banks here, but
    it seems there's risk involved in whatever course of action one
    takes....

    I think the inflation in Canada is not so high as in Russia. How many percent do you have per year?

    <skipped>
    Do the locks in the old vehicles are more sophisticated?

    My car came with two keys... one for the trunk & the glove box, one
    for the doors & the ignition (the former being a lot more
    complicated than the latter). And unlike our rental car it didn't
    have a lever you could pull from inside the car to unlock the
    trunk. Anyone who wanted to break into the trunk would have had to
    work where folks on the sidewalk could easily see them.

    Times are changing. A day on two ago I saw in an internet shop a lock for a bicycle which can be unlocked only via a smart phone application. ;-) It has an alarm system, too. Looks as a usual bicycle lock. ;)

    Do they pay now in cash, or people now pay with credit card only?

    COVID-19 has turned the world upside down. Many businesses are now reluctant to handle cash... but when customers pay by credit card
    the business must pay an annual fee as well as a commission on each purchase. When smaller businesses such as Mom & Dad's Grocery can't
    afford to do that they must still accept cash. If their produce is
    better & cheaper than what I can find at the local supermarket, and
    they offer more variety, I may still choose to buy such things from
    Mom & Dad whenever their shop isn't particularly crowded.

    So, people really can start money laundering, in a real sense of this phrase. ;-)

    Bye, Ardith Hinton!
    Alexander Koryagin

    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed Dec 16 22:21:46 2020
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    So we see why the cavaliers could not afford

    the right road traffic. If the queen got off

    the horse/carriage from the left side going to

    the Buckingham palace,
    |AFAIK residences which have names... such as
    Buckingham Palace, Clarence House, and Windsor
    Castle... don't usually involve "the". But I
    have heard talk of the Smith residence or the
    old Johnson place (e.g.) when the building is
    not generally known by any other title.

    it was a strong example. ;)


    Interesting thought. Not all European countries accepted the idea of driving on the right at the same time... and I don't know when Russia did. But IMHO what teamsters & other working class folks preferred may have carried more weight in countries where a lot of folks wanted to get rid of the monarchy too. In feudal times... when only the upper classes could afford to ride horses they personally owned on thoroughfares available to everybody else... I reckon there was less competition for space. As times changed, a lot more may have depended on how her subjects felt about their queen. And I imagine countries which were next door to one another would have found it inconvenient to have people switch sides every time they crossed the border, just as we did in North America. :-)



    You should not rake your brains and think which variant is
    better. That's why they still follow the rule in England.


    Because my experience with horses is almost nil, I found it a stretch to get my mind around the various reasons some folks prefer one over another... especially now that we no longer have knights who use swords & lances, and most farm produce is transported by truck &/or by train. I am reminded of a story I once heard to the effect that the distance between railway tracks is equivalent to the width of a horse's rear end, since that's how the ancient Romans did it. This strikes me as being akin to folk etymology, but I can't help noticing that the gauge is narrower in coal mines where Welsh ponies are used... [chuckle].

    WRT the way things are done in the Old Country, I can relate. If the Brits drive on the left it doesn't matter to me. I just have to remember (as a pedestrian) that the kindergarten rules I was taught work in reverse Over There
    ... and that the pounds, shillings, and pence in our school math textbooks have been replaced by a system which took Dallas & me a bit of getting used to. The first time we travelled to England as a couple, we got some coins labelled "ten new pence" in change & had to ask a relative what on earth that signified. :-Q



    [re the British roundabouts]
    But we also have a circular motion in the places where several
    roads are connected with a doughnut style road. It works, too.


    It works in England & I think we could make it work. What we have in this neck of the woods, however, are the so-called "traffic calming devices" on residential streets. We saw them in England as well. But what tends to happen Over Here is that people cheat when they want to make a left turn & there is no other traffic on the road, and larger vehicles such as ambulances & fire trucks are at a disadvantage because in such situations the circle is very tight. :-(




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    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Fri Dec 18 09:30:16 2020
    Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 16.12.2020 22:21

    So we see why the cavaliers could not afford the right road
    traffic. If the queen got off the horse/carriage from the left
    side going to the Buckingham palace,

    |AFAIK residences which have names... such as
    Buckingham Palace, Clarence House, and Windsor
    Castle... don't usually involve "the". But I
    have heard talk of the Smith residence or the
    old Johnson place (e.g.) when the building is
    not generally known by any other title.

    it was a strong example.

    Interesting thought. Not all European countries accepted the idea
    of driving on the right at the same time... and I don't know when
    Russia did.

    In technique, Russia, during the Tsarist time, followed mostly behind France, Germany and Italy. A lot of specialists were invited from these countries, and we adopted many things from them.

    But IMHO what teamsters & other working class folks preferred may
    have carried more weight in countries where a lot of folks wanted
    to get rid of the monarchy too. In feudal times... when only the
    upper classes could afford to ride horses they personally owned on thoroughfares available to everybody else... I reckon there was
    less competition for space. As times changed, a lot more may have
    depended on how her subjects felt about their queen. And I imagine countries which were next door to one another would have found it inconvenient to have people switch sides every time they crossed
    the border, just as we did in North America.

    The UK is isolated in this sense. Maybe it is the reason why it has followed its own habits without looking at its neighbours.

    You should not rake your brains and think which variant is better.
    That's why they still follow the rule in England.

    Because my experience with horses is almost nil, I found it a
    stretch to get my mind around the various reasons some folks prefer
    one over another... especially now that we no longer have knights
    who use swords & lances, and most farm produce is transported by
    truck &/or by train. I am reminded of a story I once heard to the
    effect that the distance between railway tracks is equivalent to
    the width of a horse's rear end, since that's how the ancient
    Romans did it. This strikes me as being akin to folk etymology, but
    I can't help noticing that the gauge is narrower in coal mines
    where Welsh ponies are used... [chuckle].

    All temporal railways are usually narrow-gauged. They don't need big speed, but you can save a lot of wood on sleepers.

    WRT the way things are done in the Old Country, I can relate. If
    the Brits drive on the left it doesn't matter to me. I just have to remember (as a pedestrian) that the kindergarten rules I was taught
    work in reverse Over There.. and that the pounds, shillings, and
    pence in our school math textbooks have been replaced by a system
    which took Dallas & me a bit of getting used to. The first time we travelled to England as a couple, we got some coins labelled "ten
    new pence" in change & had to ask a relative what on earth that signified.: - Q

    But to understand the decimal system is a lot easier than the old English one. I also knew the latter sometime, when I learned English, reading "Essential English for foreign students", by C. E. Eckersley. But I don't remember the old British money now. I forgot it probably by the same reason the UK dropped it. ;)

    [re the British roundabouts]
    But we also have a circular motion in the places where several
    roads are connected with a doughnut style road. It works, too.

    It works in England & I think we could make it work. What we have
    in this neck of the woods, however, are the so-called "traffic
    calming devices" on residential streets. We saw them in England as
    well.

    We called them "Sleeping policeman" (a speed bump). Its a very useful thing. We in Russia have a long time saying that there are two main troubles in Russia - fools and bad roads. Times have changed. The roads have become good and smooth. And fools are speeding along them with crazy speed. So - "Don't make good roads for fools!", I invented my own saying. ;-)

    Bye, Ardith Hinton!
    Alexander Koryagin

    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Jan 23 18:46:38 2021
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

    The other day I unintentionally omitted a proposition.
    Even English teachers make misteaks. What matters AFAIC
    is that you can correct your own errors....

    Did you mean a preposition?


    Oops... indeed I did. Give yourself a gold star. :-))



    I think the inflation in Canada is not so high as in
    Russia. How many percent do you have per year?


    On average it's been roughly 2% per year for the past few years, not counting 2020, but in the more distant past I've seen it go a lot higher. And the numbers are based on the prices of all sorts of things... many of which we don't usually buy at frequent intervals. The price of food has increased with the onset of COVID-19 and is expected to rise another 5% within the next year. By the time it is lumped in with the prices of things others don't need to buy right away because they're working from home... or can't afford to buy because they're unemployed... the composite picture may be quite misleading.

    Late flash: Vancouver City Council announced recently that property taxes will go up by 5% this year. The cost of natural gas will go up by 6.59% this year as well. But meanwhile the Bank of Canada is keeping the prime rate at .25%, meaning folks may get very little interest on their savings.

    While I could ask what the inflation rate is in Russia, the averages may not be any more helpful from an individual POV than they are here.... ;-)



    Times are changing. A day on two ago I saw in an internet
    shop a lock for a bicycle which can be unlocked only via
    a smart phone application. ;-) It has an alarm system, too.
    Looks as a usual bicycle lock. ;)


    Hmm. Sounds like a good idea... until you realize that in Vancouver bicycle theft is increasingly common & what kind of lock a person uses may not matter much to professional thieves. We've watched film footage of them using bolt cutters etc. to get through a chain or steal an entire bicycle rack. :-Q



    When smaller businesses such as Mom & Dad's Grocery can't
    afford to do that they must still accept cash. If their
    produce is better & cheaper than what I can find at the
    local supermarket, and they offer more variety, I may still
    choose to buy such things from Mom & Dad whenever their
    shop isn't particularly crowded.

    So, people really can start money laundering, in a real
    sense of this phrase. ;-)


    Ah... now there's a wonderful example of a live metaphor! Years ago Dallas & I read a book by a woman who was "in service" during the 1920's. She mentioned that her employers insisted all folding money & newspapers be ironed before they'd touch either. And a female friend who is somewhat older than we are routinely ironed sheets & pillow cases to kill any nits (i.e. insect eggs) which might be there. I wonder if today's plastic bills can be washed. :-)))




    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: Wits' End, Vancouver CANADA (1:153/716)
  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Tue Jan 26 10:13:22 2021
    Hi, Ardith Hinton - Alexander Koryagin!
    I read your message from 23.01.2021 18:46

    I think the inflation in Canada is not so high as in Russia. How
    many percent do you have per year?

    On average it's been roughly 2% per year for the past few years,
    not counting 2020, but in the more distant past I've seen it go a
    lot higher. And the numbers are based on the prices of all sorts of things... many of which we don't usually buy at frequent intervals.
    The price of food has increased with the onset of COVID-19 and is
    expected to rise another 5% within the next year. By the time it is
    lumped in with the prices of things others don't need to buy right
    away because they're working from home... or can't afford to buy
    because they're unemployed... the composite picture may be quite misleading.

    Late flash: Vancouver City Council announced recently that property
    taxes will go up by 5% this year. The cost of natural gas will go
    up by 6.59% this year as well. But meanwhile the Bank of Canada is
    keeping the prime rate at .25%, meaning folks may get very little
    interest on their savings.

    So actually you are losing you bank money by 2% per year. Is your pension indexing or your pension is constant?

    Times are changing. A day on two ago I saw in an internet shop a
    lock for a bicycle which can be unlocked only via a smart phone
    application. It has an alarm system, too. Looks as a usual bicycle
    lock.

    Hmm. Sounds like a good idea... until you realize that in Vancouver bicycle theft is increasingly common & what kind of lock a person
    uses may not matter much to professional thieves. We've watched
    film footage of them using bolt cutters etc. to get through a chain
    or steal an entire bicycle rack.: - Q

    Yes, that lock can be useful only in an open public place. The cutting tools now are in a great progress. I see it looking at how our railways fight with people. The new railway policy now is that people should not enter the passenger platform without a ticket. So they barred all railways with high iron fences, sometime literally cutting whole cities in two. But this fences are mercilessly cut by a numerous cutting tools during the night. Actually every day the railway workers go to mend the fences, and these fences look very funny and pitifully because of their numerous patches.

    When smaller businesses such as Mom & Dad's Grocery can't afford
    to do that they must still accept cash. If their produce is better
    & cheaper than what I can find at the local supermarket, and they
    offer more variety, I may still choose to buy such things from Mom
    & Dad whenever their shop isn't particularly crowded.

    So, people really can start money laundering, in a real sense of
    this phrase.

    Ah... now there's a wonderful example of a live metaphor! Years ago
    Dallas & I read a book by a woman who was "in service" during the
    1920's. She mentioned that her employers insisted all folding money
    & newspapers be ironed before they'd touch either. And a female
    friend who is somewhat older than we are routinely ironed sheets &
    pillow cases to kill any nits (i.e. insect eggs) which might be
    there. I wonder if today's plastic bills can be washed. :-)))

    I heard that viruses don't live long on dry surface.

    Bye, Ardith!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2021

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