• A pigeon simile... 2.

    From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Apr 30 21:40:05 2020
    Hi again, Anton! This is a continuation of my previous message to you:

    Folks often resort to pills when their state of health
    or whatever is in doubt,

    And all the readier because taking pills takes only a
    negligible effort.


    Yup.... :-)



    When pigeons find something to eat on a public sidewalk
    they tend to congregate there until something startles
    them, then they "scatter". Human beings tend to congregate
    in pubs, restaurants, and coffee shops for similar reasons.

    Well said!


    Thankyou.... :-)



    We scatter like a flock of pigeons when it is startled. But
    how does your reading treat the complement "with pills"?


    More examples:

    The dog retreated with its tail between its hind legs.
    The butler absconded with the family silver.
    The train departed for Montreal with Harriet on board.
    John left without saying goodbye.


    I would describe "with [...]" as an adverbial phrase, however.... :-)



    If "scatter" is intransitive, there is nothing to scatter
    with pills, is it?
    |is there?


    That's my take on it.... :-)



    And what are "woes" and "ills" if not the objects of
    "scatter"?


    I interpret these "woes" and "ills"... which may be psychological or physical or both... as what often motivates human beings to use pills. The way Bierce alludes to the former, however, implies a bit of poetic licence.... :-)




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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Fri May 1 20:20:12 2020
    +------------------------------------------+
    | "Woes that defy the world's religions -- |
    | The Spirit's brooding ills -- |
    | We scatter, like a flock of pigeons, |
    | With pills." |
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    We scatter like a flock of pigeons when it is startled. But
    how does your reading treat the complement "with pills"?

    More examples:

    The dog retreated with its tail between its hind
    legs. The butler absconded with the family silver.
    The train departed for Montreal with Harriet on
    board. John left without saying goodbye.

    I have no objections to your examples, but somehow cannot
    interpret Bierce's verse in this manner. Do we scatter like a
    flock of pigeons, with pills stuffed into our pockets by way of
    a reassuring ballast :-?

    I would describe "with [...]" as an adverbial phrase,
    however.... :-)

    In that sense, yes. It modifes the verb: retreat, abscond, depart,
    but I can't help but consider "with pills" in an instrumental sense.
    I trow I shall take a pause, or maybe ask my question otherwhere
    and compare the answers :-P

    And what are "woes" and "ills" if not the objects of
    "scatter"?

    I interpret these "woes" and "ills"... which may be
    psychological or physical or both... as what often motivates
    human beings to use pills. The way Bierce alludes to the former,
    however, implies a bit of poetic licence.... :-)

    So do I, but what is their grammatical role in the sentence. We
    learners are possessed by the grammatical devils, aren't we? Oh
    yes, we suretainly are... Grammar comes with a second language.

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  • From Denis Mosko@2:5064/54.1315 to Anton Shepelev on Sat May 2 00:10:34 2020
    Hi, Anton!

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    |In Russia now holidays:May 1 - peace(done)|
    |and May 2 - labor (do the shifted of the |
    |shifted) and this is in self-isolation^_^ |
    | |
    +------------------------------------------+

    skip
    In that sense, yes. It modifes the verb: retreat, abscond, depart,
    but I can't help but consider "with pills" in an instrumental sense.
    I trow I shall take a pause, or maybe ask my question otherwhere
    and compare the answers :-P
    Smile from Finland!

    С уважением - Denis
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