Snuffy McKinney wrote:
Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older
OS's.
microsoft.public.win2000.general
alt.os.windows2000
Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
Firefox 12.
Google Chrome
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=en
Only goes back to Windows XP, and only until the end of this year when
Google will discard support for Windows XP. I suspect when Google drops Windows XP that other web browsers will, too.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works-windows-2000 Yep, Mozilla dropped support for Windows 2000 so all you can use are
their really old versions. Firefox 12 is about 2-1/2 years old. Of
course, Windows 2000 is over 15 years old with mainstream support dead
10 years ago and extended support dead 5 years ago.
As to finding web browsers that claim they still support Windows 2000:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
That says Seamonkey still supports Windows 2000.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml
Could not find system requirements for Maxthon Cloud or even their older versions at the Maxthon site other than supports [all] versions of
Windows (which is not true since 9x-based versions of Windows are not included). There is a wiki for Maxthon but it has not been updated for
6 years. The following download site says Windows 2000 is supported: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml.
http://www.avantbrowser.com/support.aspx#systemreq
Says it supports all the way back to Windows NT (probably means NT 4).
Just because web browsers support Windows 2000 doesn't mean sites will
accept connections from those web browsers. Rather than test a web
browsing client for its capabilities, many sites still use the User
Agent string sent by the web browser to determine if the site will work
with that web browser. Sites will often list only a certain range of
web browsers and their versions by looking at the UA string sent by the client. If the client's UA string isn't in their list, they may limit
or restrict access to their site. I don't know what UA string is sent
by Maxthon or Avant Browser. Those clients might have their own UA
string or they might send a UA string representing an old version of IE
or Firefox (or for whichever rendering engine is in use at the time).
There are add-ons (for some web browsers) that lets you send a different
UA string to lie to sites that use the UA string to determine if they
allow your web browser to [fully] use their site; however, lying about
which web browser connected to them will not magically create functions
that are missing in your client that a site may rely upon.
"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in messagenews:cqsleiFpu0pU1@mid.individual.net...
their computer going unitl I can find the simplest way to get them upgraded with only non-technical people around to help. "Put plug A into slot B", etc... This is actually the way computers should work for everyone.Snuffy McKinney wrote:
Sorry, I know this is for XP -- can't find any other groups on older
OS's.
microsoft.public.win2000.general
alt.os.windows2000
Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
Firefox 12.
Google Chrome
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?hl=en
Only goes back to Windows XP, and only until the end of this year when
Google will discard support for Windows XP. I suspect when Google drops
Windows XP that other web browsers will, too.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-no-longer-works-windows-2000
Yep, Mozilla dropped support for Windows 2000 so all you can use are
their really old versions. Firefox 12 is about 2-1/2 years old. Of
course, Windows 2000 is over 15 years old with mainstream support dead
10 years ago and extended support dead 5 years ago.
As to finding web browsers that claim they still support Windows 2000:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
That says SeaMonkey still supports Windows 2000.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml
Could not find system requirements for Maxthon Cloud or even their older
versions at the Maxthon site other than supports [all] versions of
Windows (which is not true since 9x-based versions of Windows are not
included). There is a wiki for Maxthon but it has not been updated for
6 years. The following download site says Windows 2000 is supported:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml.
http://www.avantbrowser.com/support.aspx#systemreq
Says it supports all the way back to Windows NT (probably means NT 4).
Just because web browsers support Windows 2000 doesn't mean sites will
accept connections from those web browsers. Rather than test a web
browsing client for its capabilities, many sites still use the User
Agent string sent by the web browser to determine if the site will work
with that web browser. Sites will often list only a certain range of
web browsers and their versions by looking at the UA string sent by the
client. If the client's UA string isn't in their list, they may limit
or restrict access to their site. I don't know what UA string is sent
by Maxthon or Avant Browser. Those clients might have their own UA
string or they might send a UA string representing an old version of IE
or Firefox (or for whichever rendering engine is in use at the time).
There are add-ons (for some web browsers) that lets you send a different
UA string to lie to sites that use the UA string to determine if they
allow your web browser to [fully] use their site; however, lying about
which web browser connected to them will not magically create functions
that are missing in your client that a site may rely upon.
Thanks VLH!! Very much appreciated. This will be a stopgap measure to keep
Especially as times goes on, average folks are getting less and lesstechnically savvy. In the old timey days when folks lived on farms, they could
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
That says Seamonkey still supports Windows 2000.
Snuffy McKinney wrote:
VanguardLH wrote ...
Snuffy McKinney wrote:
Anyone recommend a browser for Win 2000 more functional than IE6 or
Firefox 12.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Maxthon-3.shtml
http://www.avantbrowser.com/support.aspx#systemreq
Just because web browsers support Windows 2000 doesn't mean sites will
accept connections from those web browsers. Rather than test a web
browsing client for its capabilities, many sites still use the User
Agent string sent by the web browser to determine if the site will work
with that web browser.
This will be a stopgap measure to keep their computer going unitl I
can find the simplest way to get them upgraded with only
non-technical people around to help.
I'm happily using SeaMonkey 2.26.1 on WinXP Pro SP3 .
I've never bothered to play with the UA string.
VanguardLH (not Snuffy McKinney) wrote:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements
That says Seamonkey still supports Windows 2000.
That appears to be an old page. The current version of Seamonkey does
NOT work on w2k.
As I expected, the changes (that make the new version incompatible with
w2k) are in the Gecko browser engine so would apply to any browser using it.
I just tried it to verify this. Seamonkey (latest version) puts up an
error message saying it requires at least XP SP2. The last version of Seamonkey that supports w2k is from same time as the last version of
Firefox that supports w2k.
Especially as times goes on, average folks are getting less and less technically savvy. In the old timey days when folks lived on farms,
they could do everything themselves. Now if someone pulls a sock into
the vacuum cleaner it goes to the repair shop.
Saturating the market means reaching ignorant consumers.
VanguardLH wrote:
Saturating the market means reaching ignorant consumers.
I've given up suggesting that people should know what the hell they
are doing, it's just met with squawking about elitism, etc. Idiocracy
is our future.
Roger Blake wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Saturating the market means reaching ignorant consumers.
I've given up suggesting that people should know what the hell they
are doing, it's just met with squawking about elitism, etc. Idiocracy
is our future.
Texting and social sites are destroying content. No contemplation, no
review before send, nothing much important but just a bunch of short
inane scribbles, and the Pavlov response of having to immediately reply.
Ooh, got a text, have to reply now while ignoring everyone around them
with whom they're supposed to be socializing. They're becoming isolated anti-socials despite the pretense that they're communicationg with
someone. They won't call the other party and actually talk with them
because their speech and cognitive abilities are horrible.
Father Guido Sarducci's "5 Minute University" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAd4NzuqYM
Sad is that he wasn't that far off.
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