On 02-23-23 17:57, Sean Dennis <=-
spoke to Dave Drum about Re: Spicy Tomato Soup <=-

It disappoints me that I can't run Scrabble. If I could get the
source, I could make sure it doesn't die in 2038 (when DOS programs
will quit working).

I did know that DOS programs had a drop dead date. Is it some sort of
cousin to the Y2K problem? I am using a number of DOS programs on my
WIN10 system using vDOS. Do you know if those programs should still
work? Not that it matters a lot to me personally since I will be
pushing to almost 100 by then, if still above ground.


MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Golden Onion Rice
Categories: To test, East
Yield: 4 Servings

2 1/2 c Water
1 pk Lipton Golden Soup Mix
(See Note)
1 c Regular or converted rice

NOTE: Can use Onion Mushroom, Onion or Savory Herb with garlic mix if
need be.

Bring water to a boil over high heat in 2 quart saucepan. Stir in
soup mix.

Reduce heat to LOW and simmer covered for 20 to 25 minutes until rice
is done.

Recipe taken from Lipton Recipe Secrets Web site.

MMMMM


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Re: Dos
By: Dale Shipp to Sean Dennis on Sat Feb 25 2023 02:07:10

It disappoints me that I can't run Scrabble. If I could get the
source, I could make sure it doesn't die in 2038 (when DOS programs
will quit working).

I read that DOS has a year 2107 problem.

On the other hand, MS-DOS, which internally uses a 1980 year-epoch with
a byte-sized year counter (and does not use a seconds-based epoch
unlike Unixes), will be fine up to 2107"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25311468

I did [not] know that DOS programs had a drop dead date. Is it some
sort of cousin to the Y2K problem? I am using a number of DOS
programs on my WIN10 system using vDOS. Do you know if those
programs should still work? Not that it matters a lot to me
personally since I will be

I installed FreeDOS 1.3 in dosbox-x (a cousin of vDOS) on my Linux system.

I read that since calendars repeat and 1999 matches 2038, one can set the
clock back in the DOS VM and the software will run with the wrong year
but the correct week day, etc. One could party like it's 1999!

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/repeating.html?year=2038

Dale Shipp wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I did know that DOS programs had a drop dead date. Is it some sort of cousin to the Y2K problem? I am using a number of DOS programs on my WIN10 system using vDOS. Do you know if those programs should still
work? Not that it matters a lot to me personally since I will be
pushing to almost 100 by then, if still above ground.

It seems I am wrong (or my memory is faulty which is more likely):

- Function 2Ah (“Get Date”) offered by INT 21h on DOS returns a “year”
field between 1980 and 2099.

- GetSystemTime() in the Windows WIN32 API returns a value between the
years 1601 and 30827.

- FAT timestamps range between January 1, 1980 and December 31, 2107.

- NTFS timestamps range between January 1, 1601 and May 28, 60056.

- UNIX and UNIX-like systems traditionally use the number of seconds
passed since January 1, 1970, stored as a signed 32-bit value, for all
APIs. The rollover will not happen before January 19, 2038, when the
counter jumps back to December 13, 1901 (if the system can handle
negative values correctly, which isn’t a given). [Most 64-bit *NIX
systems have a solution for this already.]

However, some DOS programs use a 16-bit signrd integer to hold the date and that will cause issues.

This webpage does a deep dive into this subject (and if you program and understand it, it's really interesting): https://tinyurl.com/4k99tutt

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: A-Maize-Ing Chowder
Categories: Soups, Low-fat, Lunch
Yield: 4 Servings

1 c Sliced leek or onion
1 c Sliced carrot
1 sm Baking potato cubed
1 c Defatted chicken broth
2 c Evaporated skim milk
1 c Frozen whole kernel corn
2 tb Chopped parsley
Salt & pepper to taste

1. In medium saucepan, combine leek, carrot and potato with chicken
broth. 2. Cover and simmer 10 minutes or until vegetables are tender.
3. Puree then add milk and corn. Heat without boiling, to serving
temperature. 4. Season to taste with salt and pepper. 5. Serve
sprinkled with parsley.

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- Sean

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On 02-25-23 10:13, Ben Collver <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Dos <=-

I read that since calendars repeat and 1999 matches 2038, one can set
the clock back in the DOS VM and the software will run with the wrong
year but the correct week day, etc. One could party like it's 1999!

Something sounds wrong with that. The leap years will not match up.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Vegetable Samosas
Categories: To test
Yield: 25 Squares

1 c Leftover mashed potatoes
1/2 c Leftover veg, chopped
(carrots or green beans)
1/2 c Thawed frozen peas
1/4 ts Curry powder
1 tb Chopped ginger
ds Salt/cayenne pepper
1 ea Sheet of puff pastry
1 lg Egg

Mix potatoes, vegetables, seasonings together.

Roll a sheet of puff pastry into a 14 inch square then cut into 25
smaller squares.

Place 1 tablespoon of filling in the center of each. Brush edges with
beaten egg. Fold into triangles and press to seal.

Bake in preheated 350 degree oven until golden brown. About 20 to 25
minutes.

Mix yogurt with leftover cranberry sauce for dipping.

Food network magazine -

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Re: Re: Dos
By: Sean Dennis to Dale Shipp on Sat Feb 25 2023 14:21:11

This webpage does a deep dive into this subject (and if you program and understand it, it's really interesting): https://tinyurl.com/4k99tutt

Thanks for the link, i found it interesting.

If i read that correctly, the DOS and FAT dates cannot be set to a date
before 1980. That gives a range of up to 127 years. 127 years ought to
be enough for anyone. ;)

Re: Re: Dos
By: Dale Shipp to Ben Collver on Sun Feb 26 2023 02:19:02

Something sounds wrong with that. The leap years will not match up.

Good catch! I didn't think about that. 1982 would be a better choice
than 1999.

Hello Ben,

Something sounds wrong with that. The leap years will not match up.

Good catch! I didn't think about that. 1982 would be a better choice than 1999.

You and Dale are both idiots.
The 1982 calendar is reusable in 1999.
And in 2027. And in 2038.
No leap year to worry about.

Now the 2024 calendar is an entirely different story ...

For Life,
Lee

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Ben Collver wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

If i read that correctly, the DOS and FAT dates cannot be set to a date before 1980. That gives a range of up to 127 years. 127 years ought
to be enough for anyone. ;)

And 640 kilobytes should be enough for anyone.

Hello to All from a voice from the dim dark past. I hope to get going again soon with this echo. Here's one of my favourite recipes.

---------- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Boiled Salad Dressing
Categories: Salad
Yield: 1 Servings

1 Egg
2 tb White sugar
3 tb Whole milk
4 tb White vinegar
1 ts Mustard powder
Butter, walnut-size
Pepper
Salt

Beat egg and sugar well, add milk, mustard, salt and pepper.
Gradually add the vinegar, stirring all the time. Melt the butter in
a saucepan, add the above mixture, stir until it thickens. Will keep
for a long time if refrigerated.
Variation: Add chopped herbs, chives, etc.

"The Green and Gold Cookery Book" 43rd Ed.
typed by Greg Mayman

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Hello to All from a voice from the dim dark past. I hope to get going again soon with this echo. Here's one of my favourite recipes.

Glad to have you back!

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Glad to have you on my board too!

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Re: Re: Dos
By: Ben Collver to Sean Dennis on Sun Feb 26 2023 10:00 am

Re: Re: Dos
By: Sean Dennis to Dale Shipp on Sat Feb 25 2023 14:21:11

This webpage does a deep dive into this subject (and if you program and understand it, it's really interesting): https://tinyurl.com/4k99tutt

Thanks for the link, i found it interesting.

If i read that correctly, the DOS and FAT dates cannot be set to a date before 1980. That gives a range of up to 127 years. 127 years ought to
be enough for anyone. ;)

On an old DOS / FAT machine, why couldn't you just set the date to any particular date in the range then next time you think of it, set back to that same date? That way the machine would work forever. It's not like the date actually matters or anything on those old machines.

By the way, on Windows machines, you can set the date from 1 Jan 1601 to 14 Sept 30828. I don't think you and I will be around to reach the end of that date.

Cheers,
Dennis
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