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Girls got chip planted without them knowing it

By Pere Pasco on Wed Mar 27 14:49:09 2024

Latest reply by Pere Pasco on Wed Mar 27 14:49:09 2024
Collaboration with Joplin?

By Loren Cannon on Mon Sep 4 00:38:53 2023

Latest reply by Loren Cannon on Sat Sep 16 11:31:38 2023
US lost the war for Independence but won Vietnam war

By Georgi Bonchev on Sun Jan 1 04:45:34 2023

Latest reply by George Pope on Tue Aug 29 13:59:36 2023
US rights stomped again

By George Pope on Tue Aug 29 13:56:36 2023

Latest reply by George Pope on Tue Aug 29 13:56:36 2023
Roe vs Wade

By Steven Wolf on Wed May 22 09:31:37 2019

Latest reply by George Pope on Fri Dec 31 12:23:30 2021
Republicans in Main, Utah want Trump to undo Obamas Monument

By ALLEN PRUNTY on Mon Mar 20 04:33:50 2017

Latest reply by ALLEN PRUNTY on Mon Mar 20 04:33:50 2017
BBS Promotion

By ED KOON on Tue Feb 7 19:05:00 2017

Latest reply by ED KOON on Tue Feb 7 19:05:00 2017
BH+G 2740

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

Latest reply by Allen Prunty on Sat Dec 3 02:11:26 2016
BH+G 2731

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

Latest reply by Mick Manning on Thu Sep 8 13:08:11 2016
BH+G 2732

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

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BH+G 2733

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

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BH+G 2734

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

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BH+G 2735

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

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BH+G 2736

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

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BH+G 2737

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

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BH+G 2738

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

Latest reply by Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016
BH+G 2739

By Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016

Latest reply by Dave Drum on Thu Sep 8 05:32:02 2016
Possible Controversial Happenings

By Mick Manning on Wed Mar 2 15:05:50 2016

Latest reply by Allen Prunty on Mon Jun 6 21:23:12 2016
The Latest Piece of Deadly Imperialist 'Mosaic of Terror'

By Khelair on Sun Feb 22 22:58:18 2015

Latest reply by Khelair on Sun Feb 22 22:58:18 2015
Legality of Mentioning the Name of an Informant

By Damon Getsman on Sat Feb 1 16:29:36 2014

Latest reply by Damon Getsman on Sat Feb 1 16:29:36 2014
Chile 4401

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4402

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4403

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4404

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4405

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4406

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4407

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4408

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4409

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Chile 4410

By Dave Drum on Sun Oct 27 07:11:46 2013

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Apologies

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 08:48:34 2013

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Chile 4391

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4392

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4394

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4395

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4396

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4397

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4398

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4399

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4400

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

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Chile 4393

By Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013

Latest reply by Dave Drum on Sat Oct 26 06:56:42 2013
US law enforcement's growing tendency to use firearms on pets

By Damon A. Getsman on Fri Jun 7 16:36:32 2013

Latest reply by Damon A. Getsman on Fri Jun 7 16:36:32 2013
Reagan at Normandy

By Earl Croasmun on Thu Jun 6 21:38:58 2013

Latest reply by Earl Croasmun on Thu Jun 6 21:38:58 2013
Re: housing 331

By Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 11:46:00 2013

Latest reply by mark lewis on Tue Apr 2 07:07:17 2013
Original Analysis

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 29 05:35:20 2011

Latest reply by Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 12:55:00 2013
Re: notes 337

By Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 12:39:00 2013

Latest reply by Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 12:39:00 2013
Re: tongue

By Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 12:24:00 2013

Latest reply by Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 12:24:00 2013
Current events

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 6 13:35:04 2011

Latest reply by Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 12:17:00 2013
Re: far afield 332

By Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 12:00:00 2013

Latest reply by Nancy Backus on Mon Apr 1 12:00:00 2013
FYI

By Earl Croasmun on Sat Jan 28 17:04:00 2012

Latest reply by mark lewis on Sat Aug 11 17:35:27 2012
DeMinted

By Ross Sauer on Fri Aug 12 17:56:19 2011

Latest reply by Steve Kemp on Tue Sep 6 03:56:00 2011
Got him!

By BOB KLAHN on Mon May 2 22:20:50 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Fri Aug 5 22:25:14 2011
Republican Shame!

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Aug 3 16:58:52 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Aug 3 16:58:52 2011
Right Wing Economis & Morals.

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Aug 3 16:51:28 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Aug 3 16:51:28 2011
Debt Deal!

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Aug 3 16:29:58 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Aug 3 16:29:58 2011
The economy from a Catholic Viewpoint part II

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Jul 27 15:59:10 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Jul 27 15:59:10 2011
The economy from a Catholic Viewpoint.

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Jul 27 15:58:10 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Jul 27 15:58:10 2011
Conspiracy theorists are not new.

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Jul 13 05:37:58 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Jul 13 05:37:58 2011
90% of what they asked for.

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 10 23:07:24 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 10 23:07:24 2011
Is Israel becomming a failed state?

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 10 16:35:04 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 10 16:35:04 2011
Good week

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 8 22:06:02 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 3 18:51:40 2011
"FAMILY VALUES?"

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 3 18:05:46 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 3 18:05:46 2011
NEWEST CANDIDATE!

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 3 18:01:02 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Jul 3 18:05:00 2011
Follow up to exposing Thomas Sowell's Fraud.

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jun 27 22:42:08 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Jun 27 22:42:08 2011
LIBERALS WANT THEIR VERY

By BOB KLAHN on Tue May 17 23:01:58 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Jun 11 20:54:18 2011
Weird

By BOB KLAHN on Tue May 10 05:12:58 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Jun 11 20:53:44 2011
Bye bye medicare.

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Jun 7 22:21:30 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue Jun 7 22:21:30 2011
Cisco, US deceive Canada

By Gary Perkins on Fri Jun 3 09:20:02 2011

Latest reply by Gary Perkins on Fri Jun 3 09:20:02 2011
The good old days vs the new ones

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Mar 28 22:47:18 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue May 31 22:34:56 2011
It's all racism!

By BOB KLAHN on Mon May 30 18:26:52 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon May 30 18:26:52 2011
Catholics in Alliance

By BOB KLAHN on Wed May 25 22:15:04 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed May 25 22:15:04 2011
Bin Laden is dead...

By BOB KLAHN on Sun May 8 16:28:04 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun May 22 02:57:34 2011
Say it isn't so!

By BOB KLAHN on Tue May 17 22:54:48 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue May 17 22:54:48 2011
Osama bin Laden

By BOB KLAHN on Mon May 9 23:11:44 2011

Latest reply by Ross Sauer on Wed May 11 01:46:15 2011
Mike Malloy

By BOB KLAHN on Mon May 9 23:14:32 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon May 9 23:14:32 2011
Born Into this world.

By BOB KLAHN on Tue May 3 20:03:40 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue May 3 20:03:40 2011
Outrageous Preacher

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Apr 23 22:41:32 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Apr 23 22:41:32 2011
GREAT BUMPER STICKER

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Apr 17 05:34:14 2011

Latest reply by Richard Webb on Mon Apr 18 12:48:42 2011
Once upon a time.

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Mar 26 15:11:26 2011

Latest reply by Steve Kemp on Fri Apr 15 02:47:46 2011
INTERNET TAXES

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Mar 26 21:16:56 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 29 05:30:54 2011
Euro-trash politics

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Mar 28 23:17:10 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Mar 28 23:22:40 2011
Wisconsin thugs

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 6 15:30:06 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Mar 28 22:40:36 2011
CHARGES

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 27 02:56:22 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Mar 28 15:39:56 2011
energy

By WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Mon Mar 28 14:27:56 2011

Latest reply by WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Mon Mar 28 14:27:56 2011
Trump

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Mar 26 21:18:18 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Mar 26 21:18:18 2011
WISONSIN IDIOTS

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 22 22:17:48 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 22 22:17:48 2011
NPR is collateral damage...

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 22 05:53:44 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 22 05:53:44 2011
Welfare state

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 13 04:33:54 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 22 05:46:08 2011
Internet taxes

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 13 20:49:54 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 13 20:50:28 2011
WHY GAS PRICES ARE RE

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 13 04:19:50 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 13 20:32:42 2011
Terrorism and Obama

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 13 04:13:00 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Mar 13 04:24:52 2011
Why gas prices are really high

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 8 21:21:00 2011

Latest reply by Ross Sauer on Wed Mar 9 00:39:14 2011
WHY GAS PRICES ARE REALLY

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Mar 7 22:52:58 2011

Latest reply by Ross Sauer on Wed Mar 9 00:33:43 2011
The Unions

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 8 21:29:06 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue Mar 8 21:29:06 2011
How to bring down Obamacare.

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Feb 26 23:50:00 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Feb 26 23:50:00 2011
Pot call kettle bla 0

By BOB KLAHN on Fri Feb 25 23:04:18 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Fri Feb 25 23:04:18 2011
As the economy turns... down.

By BOB KLAHN on Fri Feb 25 15:37:48 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Fri Feb 25 15:37:48 2011
Death panels Death panels Death panels Death Panels

By BOB KLAHN on Fri Feb 25 11:47:14 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Fri Feb 25 11:47:14 2011
GOVERNMENT WASTE

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Feb 19 18:49:08 2011

Latest reply by WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Fri Feb 25 09:10:00 2011
Wisconsin

By BOB KLAHN on Thu Feb 24 23:47:56 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Fri Feb 25 09:06:04 2011
Bush dynasty

By BOB KLAHN on Thu Feb 24 23:45:18 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Thu Feb 24 23:46:34 2011
The world as it is (was and will be).

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 20 22:38:52 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 20 22:38:52 2011
Beck is a blithering idio

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 20 22:24:42 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 20 22:24:42 2011
Unions

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Feb 19 19:03:08 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Feb 19 19:03:08 2011
Moral requirements

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 16 14:04:02 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Feb 19 18:03:40 2011
Government waste

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 16 14:41:02 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Thu Feb 17 22:38:28 2011
War Fraud.

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 16 14:03:20 2011

Latest reply by Ross Sauer on Wed Feb 16 15:26:23 2011
More Societal obligations

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 16 14:16:26 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 16 14:16:26 2011
Societal obligations

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 16 14:10:54 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 16 14:10:54 2011
First domino has fallen..

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Feb 14 15:55:00 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Feb 14 15:55:00 2011
FIRST DOMINO HAS FALLEN..

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Feb 14 15:53:54 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Feb 14 15:53:54 2011
EGYPT...

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Feb 14 12:15:52 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Feb 14 12:19:48 2011
First domino falling...

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 9 12:39:24 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 13 15:42:52 2011
Linux

By WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Fri Feb 11 14:02:00 2011

Latest reply by WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Fri Feb 11 14:02:00 2011
Knoppix Linux

By WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Fri Feb 11 10:58:42 2011

Latest reply by WAYNE CHIRNSIDE on Fri Feb 11 10:58:42 2011
Egypt...

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Feb 8 11:14:54 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 9 12:30:26 2011
OBAMACARE

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 6 13:54:54 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 6 14:16:00 2011
Obamacare

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 2 13:08:22 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Feb 6 14:02:18 2011
A moral economy.

By BOB KLAHN on Thu Feb 3 22:26:14 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Thu Feb 3 22:26:14 2011
WND and Corsi

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 2 13:38:16 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 2 13:38:16 2011
(1/2) Honor 101

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 2 13:14:54 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 2 13:37:34 2011
Echo reopened

By BOB KLAHN on Thu Dec 30 15:59:36 2010

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Feb 2 12:17:24 2011
National Bankruptcy.

By BOB KLAHN on Tue Feb 1 21:49:34 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Tue Feb 1 21:49:34 2011
Moral delima and Islamic takeover.

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Jan 30 23:02:52 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Jan 30 23:02:52 2011
I like this one better.

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 18:49:26 2011

Latest reply by Richard Webb on Tue Jan 25 03:44:59 2011
More Big Hollywood lies.

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 20:06:12 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 20:06:12 2011
Democrat `Haters'!

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 19:27:40 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 19:27:40 2011
Earl lies again.

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 18:58:18 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 18:58:18 2011
Spending

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 18:48:02 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 24 18:48:02 2011
Motives for attacks on Iran.

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 17 22:05:42 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Thu Jan 20 22:14:40 2011
Was attacking Iran's computers a good idea?

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 17 21:47:28 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 17 21:47:28 2011
more hate speech

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 17 05:47:22 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 17 05:47:22 2011
Pakistan

By Richard Webb on Mon Dec 27 13:40:22 2010

Latest reply by Richard Webb on Sun Jan 16 00:55:38 2011
GUANTANMO BAY

By BOB KLAHN on Fri Jan 7 23:31:50 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 15 11:19:02 2011
Some people just don't get it...

By Ross Sauer on Sat Jan 15 14:29:57 2011

Latest reply by Ross Sauer on Sat Jan 15 14:29:57 2011
YES! GOOD NEWS!

By BOB KLAHN on Wed Jan 12 19:46:28 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Wed Jan 12 19:46:28 2011
Let them know they can be killed.

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Jan 9 23:01:48 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Jan 9 23:01:48 2011
Good day

By BOB KLAHN on Fri Jan 7 01:20:44 2011

Latest reply by Richard Webb on Sun Jan 9 03:23:01 2011
Election lawsuits.

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 8 19:40:28 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 8 19:40:28 2011
Georgia idiot...

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 8 18:33:16 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 8 18:35:22 2011
OLD WHEEZES

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 8 13:47:52 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 8 13:47:52 2011
Death Panel's 2nd victim

By Ross Sauer on Wed Jan 5 22:55:48 2011

Latest reply by Ross Sauer on Wed Jan 5 22:55:48 2011
Parallel universe

By BOB KLAHN on Mon Jan 3 05:42:12 2011

Latest reply by Ross Sauer on Mon Jan 3 12:09:03 2011
Recovery

By BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 1 05:46:30 2011

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sat Jan 1 05:46:30 2011
Good year

By BOB KLAHN on Fri Dec 31 23:33:16 2010

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Fri Dec 31 23:33:16 2010
Happy New Year

By BOB KLAHN on Fri Dec 31 20:46:44 2010

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Fri Dec 31 20:46:44 2010
Why Obama Care will survive

By BOB KLAHN on Thu Dec 30 15:53:28 2010

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Thu Dec 30 15:53:28 2010
Recent readings

By BOB KLAHN on Sun Dec 26 15:51:36 2010

Latest reply by BOB KLAHN on Sun Dec 26 15:51:36 2010