so it's 2021..
i dug up a IBM 365ED laptop, a modem, dialing up into this bulletin
board that I discovered is a FIDONET hub.. and here I am
while I think this is better in the DOS/WIN95 subs, but is this
considered classic?
I've been learning more and more about computer history, and im
inrtigued how much CP/M (and DOS) have borrowed fro the PDP-11, my minicomputer eperience is next to nill with them having been largely abandoned in places where I could play with them...
Stan Hosdar wrote to All <=-
i dug up a IBM 365ED laptop, a modem, dialing up into this bulletin
board that I discovered is a FIDONET hub.. and here I am
while I think this is better in the DOS/WIN95 subs, but is this
considered classic?
I've been learning more and more about computer history, and im
inrtigued how much CP/M (and DOS) have borrowed fro the PDP-11, my minicomputer eperience is next to nill with them having been largely abandoned in places where I could play with them...
(save for a VT-100 terminal or an old teletype / printer that we used
in CS class)
so it's 2021..
while I think this is better in the DOS/WIN95 subs, but is this
considered classic?
Have you seen the 3d-printed PDP faceplate driven by a Raspberry Pi?
Looks like you could get your PDP fix without having to run old iron.
Jeff Thiele wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
On 27 Jun 2021, Kurt Weiske said the following...
Have you seen the 3d-printed PDP faceplate driven by a Raspberry Pi?
Looks like you could get your PDP fix without having to run old iron.
I haven't seen a 3d-printed one. I'm inclined to think you may be referring to Oscar Vermeulen's PiDP-11, but that one's not 3d-printed.
I haven't seen a 3d-printed one. I'm inclined to think you may be referring to Oscar Vermeulen's PiDP-11, but that one's not 3d-printedThat's the one. My mistake.
I don't feel comfortable commenting on that.
need an OS, such as RSX-11
Works for me - congrats on the Thinkpad find, I love those old laptops.
I think what is *classic* depends on when/what the individual cut their tee on. For me anything <= 486 is classic (although that's edging up to the fi gen Pentiums these days). There are kids today that think a P4 is classic, and then there's the old greybeards that don't consider it classic unless i drew 10KW and used paper tape.
what OS did a pdp-11 run? in particular what OS did cpm (and dos, etc) emula
Re: Re: what's classic now?
By: Stan Hosdar to Jeff Thiele on Wed Jun 30 2021 08:57 pm
what OS did a pdp-11 run? in particular what OS did cpm (and dos, etc) em
PDP-11s counld run a variety of operating systems, including Unix 5 and BSD 2.x.
It is common to bind BSD 2.11 images for PDP-11 emulators. I think it is amazing that, to this day, BSD 2 is still somehow maintained.
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Operating Systems supported: Unix 1 to 7. System III BSD 2.x
RSX-11 RSTS/E RT-11
need an OS, such as RSX-11what OS did a pdp-11 run? in particular what OS did cpm (and dos, etc) emulate with it's .com, .exe and other similar command lines?
By the way, the original Rogue, the namer of the roguelike game genre,
was originally developped on a PDP-11 running Unix V6.
http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11#Unix_based_Operating_Systems
Operating Systems supported:
Unix 1 to 7.
what OS did a pdp-11 run? in particular what OS did cpm (and dos, etc) emulate with it's .com, .exe and other similar command lines?
Jeff Thiele wrote to Stan Hosdar <=-
Here's the current state of my PDP-8 FPGA project:
By the way, the original Rogue, the namer of the roguelike game genre, was originally developped on a PDP-11 running Unix V6.
That doesn't sound right to me. Rogue began life on a VAX
running BSD Unix, not 6th Edition. Adventure almost certainly
made an appearance on the PDP-11 pretty early on, perhaps in
the Research days, but rogue would have come later; after all,
it uses curses.
Re: Re: what's classic now?
By: Dan Cross to Richard Falken on Fri Jul 02 2021 03:01 am
That doesn't sound right to me. Rogue began life on a VAX
running BSD Unix, not 6th Edition. Adventure almost certainly
made an appearance on the PDP-11 pretty early on, perhaps in
the Research days, but rogue would have come later; after all,
it uses curses.
I sourced that information from the Early Roguelike Gallery. John Elwin
is trying very hard to keep a living museum of early rogue(likes) so if you have a valid source for that claim, he will LOVE to hear about it
and make the necessary corrections.
Here's the current state of my PDP-8 FPGA project:
That's really cool. The oldest computer I've used is a VAX.
I worked with DEC Alphas for a few years, but have only encountered architectures older than that as a hobbyist. SIMH will emulate a VAX,
but the problem is in acquiring the OS. HP (which bought Compaq, which bought DEC) still requires a license to use VMS. Up until fairly
recently they had a hobbyist program through which one could get a non-commercial hobbyist license for free, but they discontinued it.
I'm not sure what, if anything, took its place.
I completed all but the Extended Arithmetic Element opcodes
yesterday;
it was much easier than I thought it would be.
I have, however, run into a small snag. The Mojo IO Shield uses all
of
the available IO pins, so there are none left for peripherals such as
an SD card or a serial port. I figure I have 4 options:
I worked with DEC Alphas for a few years, but have only encountered architectures older than that as a hobbyist. SIMH will emulate a VAX, but the problem is in acquiring the OS. HP (which bought Compaq, whic bought DEC) still requires a license to use VMS. Up until fairly recently they had a hobbyist program through which one could get a non-commercial hobbyist license for free, but they discontinued it. I'm not sure what, if anything, took its place.
I know little about this myself but I have heard of something called OpenVMS. Would that be an option?
That's really cool. The oldest computer I've used is a VAX.
I have, however, run into a small snag. The Mojo IO Shield uses all ofIt's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Hopefully one of the options, while not perfect, will work to get the problem fixed.
the available IO pins, so there are none left for peripherals such as an SD card or a serial port. I figure I have 4 options:
Stan Hosdar wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
what OS did a pdp-11 run?
Stan Hosdar wrote to Steve C <=-
At work, two years ago, a new CNC showed up..... with OS/2 Warp for a HMI.... seriously... no one knows os/2 anymore and I didn't even use it when dabbling in win95, DOS, etc.... so I have had to learn it.
Machine is from 1999.. os/2 is clearly in the classic era of GUI experimentation... woo drag and drop...
Fabio Bizzi wrote to Richard Falken <=-
Moreover there is a world decnet (HECnet) network over tcp/udp that
links all the decnet capable computers. :)
http://mim.update.uu.se/
On 01 Jul 2021 at 06:13p, Richard Falken pondered and said...
Re: Re: what's classic now?
By: Dan Cross to Richard Falken on Fri Jul 02 2021 03:01 am
That doesn't sound right to me. Rogue began life on a VAX
running BSD Unix, not 6th Edition. Adventure almost certainly
made an appearance on the PDP-11 pretty early on, perhaps in
the Research days, but rogue would have come later; after all,
it uses curses.
I sourced that information from the Early Roguelike Gallery. John Elwin is trying very hard to keep a living museum of early rogue(likes) so if you have a valid
source for that claim, he will LOVE to hear about it
and make the necessary corrections.
Well, the original authors were Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy,
with some input from Ken Arnold. Arnold wrote the curses
library that they built Rogue on top of at Berkeley. Rogue is
from 1980, 6th Edition Unix was '74 (tapes went out in '75),
7th Ed was '78 (tapes distributed outside of Bell Labs in '79),
and 32V (Unix ported to run on the VAX) later in '79. Joy
and Baboglu did virtual memory support in 3.0 BSD (before
TCP/IP!) towards the end of '79. Ken Arnold wrote curses while
at Berkeley, where he was a student from '79 to '83. The
earliest reference to curses that I can find is from 2.79BSD,
which is April 1980, though there are claims that there was
a paper written in 1977; I'm not sure I buy that, though, as I
can't find a good source for that time frame. In the original
curses paper from 2.79, Arnold gives credit to Bill Joy for
what is obviously termcap, which was done for `vi`. So I
think it's safe to assume that the work that went into curses
was probably done ~1979.
2.79 also includes a document from Michael Toy describing
rogue; Glenn Wichman has a history document describing the
history of `rogue` here: http://www.digital-eel.com/deep/A_Brief_History_of_Rogue.htm
Note the references to starting with curses; so whenever
Rogue was written, it post-dates curses, and a lot of
contemporary accounts put it in 1980: 6th Ed was long in
the tooth by then.
I found a site called "rlgallery.org" which is a "Roguelike
Gallery" and has some history notes that claim development
in 1981 through 1983, but with no citations save some really
sketchy link to a gamesutra article. I can't find any references
to 6th Edition beyond the rlgallery.org notes, but that doesn't
make a lot of sense to me, as I said before: if that early
work were done on a PDP-11, I imagine it would have been running
2BSD (any college in the UC system could have gotten the tape).
So yeah. I'm not buying that it was originally written for 6th
Ed. That just doesn't make a lot of sense.
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