Kurt Weiske wrote to Daniel <=-
Daniel wrote to August Abolins <=-
Ezra Shapiro was 1:125/371 among the earliest users of Fidonet
software. But he seems to have only been nodelisted for 1 year.
Downloading it now from bottomless abyss bbs. I'll let you know how I
like it.
Wasn't Tom Jennings and/or Tim Pozar on one of the episodes? I'm pretty sure they filmed in the SF bay area.
Downloading it now from bottomless abyss bbs. I'll let you
know how I like it.
Wasn't Tom Jennings and/or Tim Pozar on one of the
episodes? I'm pretty sure they filmed in the SF bay area.
It was quite an episode. ...It's interesting that
the district attorney in that interview was already
discussing criminal uses of BBS's even in those early days.
It blows me away.
August Abolins wrote to Daniel <=-
On 4/24/2020 4:02 AM, between "Daniel : Kurt Weiske":
Downloading it now from bottomless abyss bbs. I'll let you
know how I like it.
Wasn't Tom Jennings and/or Tim Pozar on one of the
episodes? I'm pretty sure they filmed in the SF bay area.
It was quite an episode. ...It's interesting that
the district attorney in that interview was already
discussing criminal uses of BBS's even in those early days.
It blows me away.
I thought it was amazing that a lawyer contributed some "concerns" back then too.
But today, liability on the "provider" has been actually reduced based
on a recent story I read somewhere. I will try to dig it up.
Meanwhile, the judge opined that since no one actually reads the User Agreements (UAs) or that they are too long, or that they are hard to locate, dismisses the liability of the service provider *AND* the user!
Maybe I am paraphrasing that poorly. I will see if I can find the original article/judgment.
Daniel wrote to August Abolins <=-
Even into the late 90s, it was the provider's liability if users did illegal activity using their systems. Sysops were forced to monitor
user activity on their bbs's. My sysop watched everything I did. Sort
of creepy. Less than a year ago, congress was threatening facebook adn
all the other providers with taking the legislation away. The speaker
said they were taking advantage of the law and it can be taken away. I thought it was funny as if she was sitting on top fo the government and was holding all the power. That threat fell flat. But anyway, the late
90s gave the provider relief from this liability.
Ron Lauzon wrote to Daniel <=-
Daniel wrote to August Abolins <=-
Even into the late 90s, it was the provider's liability if users did illegal activity using their systems. Sysops were forced to monitor
user activity on their bbs's. My sysop watched everything I did. Sort
of creepy. Less than a year ago, congress was threatening facebook adn
all the other providers with taking the legislation away. The speaker
said they were taking advantage of the law and it can be taken away. I thought it was funny as if she was sitting on top fo the government and was holding all the power. That threat fell flat. But anyway, the late
90s gave the provider relief from this liability.
The law you are referring to was based on the argument that, "If we
need to vet everything everyone says on our systems, we can't run our systems and people lose a way to communicate." So the gov't basically extended a right already given to the phone company. If someone
commits a crime via the phone, the phone company cannot be held responsible because they are neutral 3rd party - or in the case of this law, a "platform" for communication.
But then the big Leftie companies started suppressing non-Leftie communication.
Some people said "Hey! Wait a minute! You said that you couldn't do that and run your systems. So, stop suppressing speech or we will
revoke your protection."
The big Leftie companies said "OK", but really didn't change much.
They just gave their speech suppression better sounding names. Like "keeping misinformation down" or "cracking down on Hate Speech".
Daniel wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Don't forget the buzzwords such as 'violent speech.' That's my
favorite.
I'm really torn though. These companies have tons of power but are also public companies. They're under no obligation to follow the
constitutional free speech protections because they're not the
government. Nor should they. On the other hand, their downfall will be
the very act of censorship/discrimination that they practice.
This is why I feel the democratic party is dead. I call them the
democrat party now. In another thread, I said that their ethos is
fragile. AOC is evidence of it. Her barside politics tore them to
shreds and she didn't even try and she did in a year what people
haven't done in a century.
Dan Clough wrote to Daniel <=-
Daniel wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Please take this elsewhere immediately. POLITICS would be a good place.
Sorry dude. Multimail shows 'messages to you' that I respond to.
Didn't really notice which echo I was in until you sent me a
message.
Multimail has a status bar at the bottom that shows what echo you
are replying in.
It's likely that you need to update your Real Name on the BBS to
include a last name. Probably something that the Sysop can do for
you.
Joacim Melin wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Whatever all this right wing nonsense has to do with
Classic Computers is beyond me.
Do me a favor: ignore it. I'm dealing with it right now.
Thanks,
Sean
CLASSIC_COMPUTERS Moderator
Multimail also has no real setting that specifically allows me to
change the 'from' field. I paged my sysop. I have no other
control on what goes into my message header that I can see. He'll
help me I'm sure.
It's likely that you need to update your Real Name on the BBS to
include a last name. Probably something that the Sysop can do for
you.
Daniel wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Sorry dude. Multimail shows 'messages to you' that I respond to.
Didn't really notice which echo I was in until you sent me a
message.
Multimail has a status bar at the bottom that shows what echo you
are replying in.
Now that you point that out to me, if I squint really hard, I can see
that pink background with black text.
Daniel wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Multimail has a status bar at the bottom that shows what echo you
are replying in.
Now that you point that out to me, if I squint really hard, I can
see that pink background with black text.
It's likely that you need to update your Real Name on the BBS to
include a last name. Probably something that the Sysop can do for
you.
I'll just sign my posts with my name until I stand up my own
board which is in progress.
mark lewis wrote to Dan Clough <=-
anyway, back to classic computers...
/me wishes, sometimes, that he didn't have to throw out his
original 16K TRS-80 system to make some room... no floppies or HD
for that thing... do still have a Model 100 or two laying around
here in a cabinet, though... they haven't been fired up in
probably 25 years... 40 column by 10 lines LCD screen IIRC...
compuserve on those was... ummm... interesting...
Daniel wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I feel the same way, and that's why I'm torn. Do you remember that dumb obama/press coverup with the attack on our embassy by blaming some
obscure youtube vid? I believe their hate speech narrative was started
at that point. Would you bet a dollar no one saw that video until they pointed fingers at it? I'd bet it had a dozen views before that.
Dan Clough wrote to Daniel <=-
Daniel wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Please take this elsewhere immediately. POLITICS would be a good place.
Sorry dude. Multimail shows 'messages to you' that I respond to.
Didn't really notice which echo I was in until you sent me a
message.
Multimail has a status bar at the bottom that shows what echo you
are replying in.
It's likely that you need to update your Real Name on the BBS to
include a last name. Probably something that the Sysop can do for
you.
mark lewis wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Re: Re: computer chronicles:
By: Dan Clough to Daniel on Thu Apr 30 2020 20:38:00
Multimail also has no real setting that specifically allows me to
change the 'from' field. I paged my sysop. I have no other
control on what goes into my message header that I can see. He'll
help me I'm sure.
It's likely that you need to update your Real Name on the BBS to
include a last name. Probably something that the Sysop can do for
you.
along with the operator(s) making sure that fidonet echos are all
marked to use "real names", too...
this is one of the problems seen when operators simply import lists of message areas with no care or thought about an area's requirements...
anyway, back to classic computers...
/me wishes, sometimes, that he didn't have to throw out his original
16K TRS-80 system to make some room... no floppies or HD for that
thing... do still have a Model 100 or two laying around here in a
cabinet, though... they haven't been fired up in probably 25 years...
40 column by 10 lines LCD screen IIRC... compuserve on those was... ummm... interesting...
Ron Lauzon wrote to Daniel <=-
Daniel wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I feel the same way, and that's why I'm torn. Do you remember that dumb obama/press coverup with the attack on our embassy by blaming some
obscure youtube vid? I believe their hate speech narrative was started
at that point. Would you bet a dollar no one saw that video until they pointed fingers at it? I'd bet it had a dozen views before that.
Oh, ya. These people are **really** good at deflecting the blame for their errors. And with the media on their side, plus a complete lack
of journalism today, they get away with it.
Multimail has a status bar at the bottom that shows what echo you
are replying in.
Now that you point that out to me, if I squint really hard, I can see that pink background with black text.
Daniel wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Ron Lauzon wrote to Daniel <=-
Daniel wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I feel the same way, and that's why I'm torn. Do you remember that dumb obama/press coverup with the attack on our embassy by blaming some
obscure youtube vid? I believe their hate speech narrative was started
at that point. Would you bet a dollar no one saw that video until they pointed fingers at it? I'd bet it had a dozen views before that.
Oh, ya. These people are **really** good at deflecting the blame for their errors. And with the media on their side, plus a complete lack
of journalism today, they get away with it.
I don't watch the press since my Service. Not only would we give them misleading and false information, they'd spin it even further. By
the time we saw the coverage of our press releases (usually within the hour), there was nothing truthful.
Who was on my ship? CNN. Since then, yeah.
You can change the colours in MM to something that might show up
better. There should be a file called COLORS in your \MMAIL
directory (or the directory you installed it to, if you changed it).
Mike Powell wrote to DANIEL <=-
Multimail has a status bar at the bottom that shows what echo you
are replying in.
Now that you point that out to me, if I squint really hard, I can see that pink background with black text.
You can change the colours in MM to something that might show up
better. There should be a file called COLORS in your \MMAIL directory
(or the directory you installed it to, if you changed it).
Ron Lauzon wrote to Daniel <=-
Daniel wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Don't forget the buzzwords such as 'violent speech.' That's my
favorite.
Oh, ya. "Hate speech". Which we've found to really mean "speech we
don't like" or "speech that doesn't match our Narrative".
I'm really torn though. These companies have tons of power but are also public companies. They're under no obligation to follow the
constitutional free speech protections because they're not the
government. Nor should they. On the other hand, their downfall will be
the very act of censorship/discrimination that they practice.
I completely agree. But these companies want the best of both worlds.
On one hand, they want to be a platform (like the phone network) and
not be held responsible for what others post on their platform. I get that. I would argue that companies like Facebook and YouTube wouldn't
be able to exist if they had to vet every post.
But on the other hand, they want the power to edit speech that they
don't like.
But that makes them a publisher and they **are** responsible for their content on their platform.
They can't have it both ways. The rules don't work like that.
Joacim Melin wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Whatever all this right wing nonsense has to do with
Classic Computers is beyond me.
Daniel wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I feel the same way, and that's why I'm torn. Do you remember that dumb
Whatever all this right wing nonsense has to do with Classic Computers is beyond me.
Daniel wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I feel the same way, and that's why I'm torn. Do you remember that dumb
Please take this elsewhere immediately. POLITICS would be a good place.
Also, please sign your messages with your full name since you are not putting it in the message header.
Thanks,
Sean
CLASSIC_COMPUTERS Moderator
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Daniel wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Please take this elsewhere immediately. POLITICS would be a good place.
Sorry dude. Multimail shows 'messages to you' that I respond to.
Didn't really notice which echo I was in until you sent me a
message.
Multimail also has no real setting that specifically allows me to
change the 'from' field. I paged my sysop. I have no other
control on what goes into my message header that I can see. He'll
help me I'm sure.
Daniel wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Sorry dude. Multimail shows 'messages to you' that I respond to. Didn't really notice which echo I was in until you sent me a message.
Multimail also has no real setting that specifically allows me to
change the 'from' field. I paged my sysop. I have no other control on
what goes into my message header that I can see. He'll help me I'm
sure.
Daniel wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Now that you point that out to me, if I squint really hard, I can see
that pink background with black text.
Daniel wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
It was quite an episode. Yes it was bay area and the themesong sounds familiar. I may have been able to watch it on my local affiliate during that era. It's interesting that the district attorney in that interview was already discussing criminal uses of BBS's even in those early days.
It blows me away. Anyway, I grew up in Sacramento and so it wasn't uncommon for local shows to play on our networks back in the day. It
does appear to be a PBS show from the way it was sponsored.
Joacim Melin wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Whatever all this right wing nonsense has to do with Classic Computers
is beyond me.
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