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    From Erich B.@1:103/705 to All on Mon Aug 30 15:10:14 2021
    Why is there no movies echo?

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Erich B. on Mon Aug 30 19:14:00 2021
    Hello Erich B.!

    ** On Monday 30.08.21 - 15:10, Erich B. wrote to All:

    Why is there no movies echo?

    There *is*!

    Ask your sysop to carry it.


    TAGname: MOVIES Group: FIDO

    TITLe: Movies & TV

    Language: ENGLISH

    DESCription:
    Movies & TV Entertainment

    RULEs: {Not Found}

    MODerator: Alan Ianson, 1:153/757
    Email: agianson=at=gmail.com

    VOLume: 50/month

    ORIGIN: 1:153/757

    RESTrictions: NONE

    DISTribution: Fidonet Backbone

    GATEway: Prior Permission Required

    From: Alan Ianson, 1:153/757
    Email: agianson=at=gmail.com

    Updated on: 2021/04/03 and valid till 2021/10/31

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Mon Aug 30 19:47:58 2021
    Also could you please tell me if there is an APPS echo for IPad users?

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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Erich B. on Tue Aug 31 06:02:11 2021
    Hi Erich,
    ...Greets from my Telegram app!

    Also could you please tell me if there is an APPS echo for IPad users?
    $ The Millionaire $

    I don't think an echo exists for that. Get your hands on a recent Echolist and check the listing descriptions. One place to get a copy easily is:

    http://www.filegate.net/pub/echolist/

    Hope this helps!

    Ciao!
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Erich B. on Mon Aug 30 20:21:20 2021
    Also could you please tell me if there is an APPS echo for IPad users?

    An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.

    There is no area like that (that I know of) but we could start one if there is interest.

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Alan Ianson on Tue Aug 31 11:09:54 2021


    An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.

    There is no area like that (that I know of) but we could start one if there is interest.

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    Who would moderate the echo though?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Erich B. on Tue Aug 31 11:35:40 2021
    Erich B. wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Who would moderate the echo though?

    Generally the moderator is the person who creates an area and links with other nodes. Sometimes the moderator will pass an area off to someone else.

    Most echoes today don't have a moderator at all.

    You could do that if you wanted too. List the area on the elist and I could create the area here and interested nodes could link.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to Erich B. on Tue Aug 31 14:42:43 2021
    On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...

    An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to t about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.

    Who would moderate the echo though?

    I don't see TABLET listed on the ELIST. You could add yourself as the moderator of that echo if you felt so inclined. I did the same with the HOROSCOPE echo recently.


    Jay

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Alan Ianson on Tue Aug 31 13:29:39 2021


    Generally the moderator is the person who creates an area and links with other nodes. Sometimes the moderator will pass an area off to someone else.

    Most echoes today don't have a moderator at all.

    You could do that if you wanted too. List the area on the elist and I could create the area here and interested nodes could link.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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    How do I list it Al? I never done this before.

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Jay Harris on Tue Aug 31 13:34:29 2021

    On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...

    I don't see TABLET listed on the ELIST. You could add yourself as the moderator of that echo if you felt so inclined. I did the same with the HOROSCOPE echo recently.

    Jay

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    I never done this before. Can you go step with me? Thanks.

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  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to Erich B. on Tue Aug 31 17:34:03 2021
    On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...

    I don't see TABLET listed on the ELIST. You could add yourself as the moderator of that echo if you felt so inclined. I did the same with the HOROSCOPE echo recently.

    I never done this before. Can you go step with me? Thanks.

    Yup yup, you can find all of the documentation in the elisthlp.txt file in this archive:

    http://www.filegate.net/pub/echolist/ELST2108.ZIP


    Basically what you'll want to do is create a file called TABLET.ECO (or whatever you want your echo to be named) and then send that FILE to 2:250/1.

    The contents of the file (to create the new echo) should look like:

    [--- BEGIN TABLET.ECO ---]
    SUBJ MOD-ADD
    TAG TABLET
    GROUP FIDO
    FROM Erich B, 1:103/705
    PASS SuperSecretPassword
    LANG ENGLISH
    TITL Discussions about Tablet & Apps
    MOD Erich B, 1:103/705
    DESC Discussions about Tablet & Apps
    GATE Permitted
    DIST All Official Fidonet Backbones
    [--- END TABLET.ECO ---]

    To send the file to Vincent's system varies by BBS software, in my case with Mystic I added his system as a node with a filebox and dropped the .ECO file in there. Once Mystic saw the file, it sent it off to his system and about an hour later I saw the message in the ELIST echo that it was added.

    Every 6 months you'll need to "renew" your echo, so keep an eye out on the ELIST echo for an expiry notice. You can just send a minimal .ECO update to renew your echo like so:

    [--- BEGIN TABLET.ECO ---]
    SUBJ MOD-UPD
    TAG TABLET
    GROUP FIDO
    FROM Erich B, 1:103/705
    PASS SuperSecretPassword
    [--- END TABLET.ECO ---]


    You can also create a TABLET.RUL file as well if you wanted to post the rules of the echo as well.


    Jay

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Jay Harris on Tue Aug 31 15:31:34 2021

    On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...

    Yup yup, you can find all of the documentation in the elisthlp.txt file in this archive:

    http://www.filegate.net/pub/echolist/ELST2108.ZIP

    Basically what you'll want to do is create a file called TABLET.ECO (or whatever you want your echo to be named) and then send that FILE to 2:250/1.

    The contents of the file (to create the new echo) should look like:

    [--- BEGIN TABLET.ECO ---]
    SUBJ MOD-ADD
    TAG TABLET
    GROUP FIDO
    FROM Erich B, 1:103/705
    PASS SuperSecretPassword
    LANG ENGLISH
    TITL Discussions about Tablet & Apps
    MOD Erich B, 1:103/705
    DESC Discussions about Tablet & Apps
    GATE Permitted
    DIST All Official Fidonet Backbones
    [--- END TABLET.ECO ---]

    To send the file to Vincent's system varies by BBS software, in my case with Mystic I added his system as a node with a filebox and dropped the .ECO file in there. Once Mystic saw the file, it sent it off to his system and about an hour later I saw the message in the ELIST echo that it was added.

    Every 6 months you'll need to "renew" your echo, so keep an eye out on the ELIST echo for an expiry notice. You can just send a minimal .ECO update to renew your echo like so:

    [--- BEGIN TABLET.ECO ---]
    SUBJ MOD-UPD
    TAG TABLET
    GROUP FIDO
    FROM Erich B, 1:103/705
    PASS SuperSecretPassword
    [--- END TABLET.ECO ---]

    You can also create a TABLET.RUL file as well if you wanted to post the rules of the echo as well.

    Jay

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    Sounds pretty complicated to me. I’ll probably mess it up most likely.

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  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to Erich B. on Tue Aug 31 19:20:19 2021
    On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...

    Sounds pretty complicated to me. I'll probably mess it up most likely.

    It's not that bad, let me know if you need some help. I can even send the file for you if you like.


    Jay

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Alan Ianson on Tue Aug 31 19:20:20 2021
    On 30 Aug 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

    An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.

    Not a bad idea. TABLET or maybe MOBILE...

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Jay Harris on Tue Aug 31 20:13:00 2021
    Hello Jay Harris!

    ** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 19:20, Jay Harris wrote to Erich B.:

    On 31 Aug 2021, Erich B. said the following...

    Sounds pretty complicated to me. I'll probably mess it up
    most likely.

    It's not that bad, let me know if you need some help. I
    can even send the file for you if you like.

    The Elist bot seems to accept MOD UPD, and MOD ADD in the
    message body now. .: Erich could just construct the message
    from the examples you gave and simply use netmail. :D



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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Tue Aug 31 17:56:00 2021

    Hello Jay Harris!

    ** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 19:20, Jay Harris wrote to Erich B.:

    The Elist bot seems to accept MOD UPD, and MOD ADD in the
    message body now. .: Erich could just construct the message
    from the examples you gave and simply use netmail. :D

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    I don’t even run a bbs. I only use an iPad.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Erich B. on Tue Aug 31 21:57:00 2021
    Hello Erich B.!

    ** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 17:56, Erich B. wrote to August Abolins:

    The Elist bot seems to accept MOD UPD, and MOD ADD in the
    message body now. .: Erich could just construct the message
    from the examples you gave and simply use netmail. :D

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    I don't even run a bbs. I only use an iPad.

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    ^^^^^^^^^

    You don't need to be the operator of a bbs to launch an echo.
    Users can be creators/moderators too.

    In your case, you should be able to communicate with the Elist
    bot with netmail. I would think that Vertrauen has fidonet
    netmail available to you. If you are not sure, ask the sysop.
    :D

    Then, you can send the initial MOD ADD message that you need to
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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Tue Aug 31 20:20:50 2021

    Hello Erich B.!

    ** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 17:56, Erich B. wrote to August Abolins:

    ^^^^^^^^^

    You don't need to be the operator of a bbs to launch an echo.
    Users can be creators/moderators too.

    In your case, you should be able to communicate with the Elist
    bot with netmail. I would think that Vertrauen has fidonet
    netmail available to you. If you are not sure, ask the sysop.
    :D

    Then, you can send the initial MOD ADD message that you need to
    get started. ;)

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    I’ll talk to the Sysop and see what he says about it.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Wed Sep 1 09:50:01 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-08-31 21:57:00, you wrote to Erich B.:

    You don't need to be the operator of a bbs to launch an echo.
    Users can be creators/moderators too.

    And you don't need to bother with the Elist to create a new echomail area.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Erich B. on Wed Sep 1 11:52:05 2021
    Hi Erich,
    ...Greets from my Telegram app!

    Also could you please tell me if there is an APPS echo for IPad users?
    $ The Millionaire $


    I spotted info about this little app coming down the line, soon to be available for all:

    *"Gates Foundation Funding WHO's Guide for Global Digital Vaccine Certificate?*

    "The World Health Organization has laid out an approach for creating a digital version of a vaccination record that can be implemented worldwide - reportedly to use blockchain.

    "Funded in part by Bill and Melinda Gates, as well as the Rockefeller Foundation, the process allows countries to implement vaccine passports without the hassles of physical paper and will store people?s data digitally.

    "Certification of Vaccination ID - (COVID)

    Clever use of the covid name for the acronym, but I wouldn't install that one. :/

    Ciao!
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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Sep 1 07:13:45 2021

    Hi August,

    On 2021-08-31 21:57:00, you wrote to Erich B.:

    And you don't need to bother with the Elist to create a new echomail area.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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    Then how do you create it then?

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Erich B. on Wed Sep 1 16:21:01 2021
    Hi Erich,

    On 2021-09-01 07:13:45, you wrote to me:

    And you don't need to bother with the Elist to create a new echomail
    area.

    Then how do you create it then?

    As you would with the elisting: Create it on your system and let other systems link to it...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Sep 1 07:44:09 2021

    Hi Erich,

    On 2021-09-01 07:13:45, you wrote to me:

    As you would with the elisting: Create it on your system and let other systems link to it...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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    But as I previously stated before that I don’t run a bbs. I only use an iPad.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Erich B. on Wed Sep 1 17:02:31 2021
    Hi Erich,

    On 2021-09-01 07:44:09, you wrote to me:

    As you would with the elisting: Create it on your system and let other
    systems link to it...

    But as I previously stated before that I don’t run a bbs. I only use
    an iPad.

    "your system" = "your bosses system"

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Erich B. on Wed Sep 1 18:10:12 2021
    Hi Erich,
    ...Greets from my Telegram app!

    Hi August,
    On 2021-08-31 21:57:00, you wrote to Erich B.:
    And you don't need to bother with the Elist to create a new echomail area.
    Bye, Wilfred.
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    Then how do you create it then?

    $ The Millionaire $

    You illuminated a key point. How to create an echo is not obvious - to a user. A user comes along, sees that no echo seems to exist for a particular topic, and maybe asks for a sysop's assistance to track it down and add it to the BBS. Or.. the user sees there is no echo for a particular topic of interest and thinks "fidonet sucks.. there is no echo for the topic I'm interested in".

    But basically, it's a simple matter to just ask. A sysop of your board could help you get started. Then you, as creator/moderator, just need to advertise (eg. via ECHO_ADS echo), or encourage other sysops in the network to add your echo. You're already off to a good start doing just that! :D

    Hope this helps!

    Ciao!
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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Wed Sep 1 10:45:50 2021

    Hi Erich,
    ...Greets from my Telegram app!

    You illuminated a key point. How to create an echo is not obvious - to a user. A user comes along, sees that no echo seems to exist for a particular topic, and maybe asks for a sysop's assistance to track it down and add it to the BBS. Or.. the user sees there is no echo for a particular topic of interest and thinks "fidonet sucks.. there is no echo for the topic I'm interested in".

    But basically, it's a simple matter to just ask. A sysop of your board could help you get started. Then you, as creator/moderator, just need to advertise (eg. via ECHO_ADS echo), or encourage other sysops in the network to add your echo. You're already off to a good start doing just that! :D

    Hope this helps!

    Ciao!
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    Yes. That could work for me I gather.

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Sep 1 12:59:05 2021

    Hi Erich,

    On 2021-09-01 07:44:09, you wrote to me:

    "your system" = "your bosses system"

    Bye, Wilfred.

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    I see you took over Fmail. What’s it like now? I would love to see some screenshots since I can’t download and run it.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Erich B. on Wed Sep 1 16:53:38 2021
    Erich B. wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Generally the moderator is the person who creates an area and links with other nodes. Sometimes the moderator will pass an area off to someone else.

    Most echoes today don't have a moderator at all.

    You could do that if you wanted too. List the area on the elist and I could create the area here and interested nodes could link.

    How do I list it Al? I never done this before.

    It's not hard but you need to nail down a few details.

    Contact me in email and we'll go through it.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Richard Miles on Wed Sep 1 16:53:38 2021
    Richard Miles wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks to talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to get them.

    Not a bad idea. TABLET or maybe MOBILE...

    I like MOBILE. I have suggested that to Eric so we'll see what he decides to go with.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 1 17:11:24 2021


    I like MOBILE. I have suggested that to Eric so we'll see what he decides to go with.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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    I like Mobile too. Go with it. Thanks. :-)

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Erich B. on Thu Sep 2 14:02:12 2021
    Hi Erich,

    On 2021-09-01 12:59:05, you wrote to me:

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    I see you took over Fmail. What’s it like now? I would love to see
    some screenshots since I can’t download and run it.

    FMail is not about how it looks, the configuration problem still looks the same, except for a few additional menu items...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Sep 2 09:44:23 2021

    Hi Erich,

    On 2021-09-01 12:59:05, you wrote to me:

    FMail is not about how it looks, the configuration problem still looks the same, except for a few additional menu items...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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    What are the few additional items that you added?

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Erich B. on Thu Sep 2 19:53:27 2021
    Hi Erich,

    On 2021-09-02 09:44:23, you wrote to me:

    FMail is not about how it looks, the configuration problem still looks
    the same, except for a few additional menu items...

    What are the few additional items that you added?

    https://sourceforge.net/p/fmail/code/ci/master/tree/doc/ChangeLog


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to Alan Ianson on Thu Sep 2 18:35:12 2021
    On 01 Sep 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

    An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks t talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to g them.

    If he doesn't set it up I'll do it if someone reminds me around next Tuesday or Wednesday lol. That's my next days off. I would be happy to participate. Don't know anything about iPhones or iPads (or not much) but I guess I would be an Android power user. Been rooting phones since Android was released.

    -=>Richard Miles<=-
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    ... All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Richard Miles on Fri Sep 3 03:57:40 2021
    Richard Miles wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    An area called TABLET, or something similar might be good for folks t talk about their phones/tablets and what apps are good and where to g them.

    If he doesn't set it up I'll do it if someone reminds me around next Tuesday or Wednesday lol. That's my next days off. I would be happy to participate. Don't know anything about iPhones or iPads (or not much)
    but I guess I would be an Android power user. Been rooting phones since Android was released.

    The area MOBILE exists here on my BBS now. The problem is no one is linked to the area yet.

    Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist and try to get some hubs linked so interested folks can connect.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Scotty, beam me to the Bahamas.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Alan Ianson on Fri Sep 3 13:22:12 2021
    Hi Alan,

    On 2021-09-03 03:57:40, you wrote to Richard Miles:

    The area MOBILE exists here on my BBS now. The problem is no one is
    linked to the area yet.

    Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist

    No you don't *have* to! ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Sep 3 06:28:31 2021
    Hello Wilfred,

    Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist

    No you don't *have* to! ;-)

    True. It's not a law or anything, if that's what you mean.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Alan Ianson on Fri Sep 3 16:37:28 2021
    Hi Alan,

    On 2021-09-03 06:28:31, you wrote to me:

    Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist

    No you don't *have* to! ;-)

    True. It's not a law or anything, if that's what you mean.

    That. And the fact that areas can happily exist without being elisted...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Sep 3 18:54:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** On Friday 03.09.21 - 16:37, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist

    No you don't *have* to! ;-)

    True. It's not a law or anything, if that's what you mean.

    That. And the fact that areas can happily exist without being elisted...

    But the elist method makes the process self-serve for a
    creator/moderator *and* the existence of an echo is
    automatically published in its respective .NA file that some
    bbses refer to see "available" echos.
    --
    ../|ug

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sat Sep 4 10:45:16 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-09-03 18:54:00, you wrote to me:

    That. And the fact that areas can happily exist without being
    elisted...

    But the elist method makes the process self-serve for a
    creator/moderator

    What does this mean?

    *and* the existence of an echo is automatically published in its respective .NA file that some bbses refer to see "available" echos.

    The elist and the NAB (list) are not the same thing. The set of areas in both probably overlap, but are not the same.

    And being in either list doesn't automatically mean an area is available at your link. You still have to check the %LIST response.


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Alan Ianson on Fri Sep 3 07:29:00 2021
    Alan Ianson wrote to Richard Miles <=-

    Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist and try to get
    some hubs linked so interested folks can connect.

    There have been a couple of Fido echoes that have been distributed locally - there's nothins stopping people from connecting to your system to get a
    local echo. If anything, it's a nice proof of concept that there's some interest before going onto the backbone.


    ... The obstinate toy soldier becomes pliant.
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Sep 4 19:51:00 2021
    Hello Kurt Weiske!

    ** On Friday 03.09.21 - 07:29, Kurt Weiske wrote to Alan Ianson:

    Alan Ianson wrote to Richard Miles <=-

    Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist
    and try to get some hubs linked so interested folks can
    connect.

    There have been a couple of Fido echoes that have been
    distributed locally - there's nothins stopping people from
    connecting to your system to get a local echo. If
    anything, it's a nice proof of concept that there's some
    interest before going onto the backbone.

    But with so few users at any one system, plus the fact that
    most echo participants would be scattered sysops running their
    own boards, a "proof of concept" or rather a proof of interest
    for an echo, would be hard to reach between just two or even
    just a handful of bbses. Today, an initial rollout or
    distribution is essential to get the participant numbers high
    enough to foster good chatter.


    --
    ../|ug

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Sep 4 20:11:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** On Saturday 04.09.21 - 10:45, you wrote to me:

    That. And the fact that areas can happily exist without being
    elisted...

    But the elist method makes the process self-serve for a
    creator/moderator

    What does this mean?

    The initial comms to the bot can be performed at any time, and
    some results would come back within an hour or so. If it were
    just a "user" requesting to create an echo for a topic of their
    interest they would first have to convince their sysop to go
    through the trouble to create it and spread the word. Whereas,
    the elist-bot method [1] "creates" the echo, [2] establishes a
    pretty standardised message with a description, and [3] gets a
    spot in a .NA file that is distributed to boards everywhere.


    *and* the existence of an echo is automatically published
    in its respective .NA file that some bbses refer to see
    "available" echos.

    The elist and the NAB (list) are not the same thing. The
    set of areas in both probably overlap, but are not the
    same.

    Why be burdened over that distinction? The whole point is to
    announce that an echo exists and anyone, NAB or not, can pick
    it up if they want.


    And being in either list doesn't automatically mean an
    area is available at your link. You still have to check
    the %LIST response.

    Noted. At some point people interested in participating in an
    echo need to consult with their sysop, or a sysop has to
    perform the %LIST and request to add it anyway. But the
    initial elist-bot process is something anyone could do to get
    something started at their convenience.

    Why was the elist-bot system even built in the first place if
    it wasn't intended to provide a more organized way to create
    and announce the existence of echos?


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sun Sep 5 21:06:15 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-09-04 20:11:00, you wrote to me:

    The initial comms to the bot can be performed at any time, and
    some results would come back within an hour or so. If it were
    just a "user" requesting to create an echo for a topic of their
    interest they would first have to convince their sysop to go
    through the trouble to create it and spread the word. Whereas,
    the elist-bot method [1] "creates" the echo,

    It only creates an entry in the echolist.

    and [3] gets a spot in a .NA file that is distributed to boards everywhere.

    It's only in the .na file that is distributed in the monthly elist*.zip file. I very much doubt anyone processes it automatically and have areas auto created and destroyed.

    The elist and the NAB (list) are not the same thing. The
    set of areas in both probably overlap, but are not the
    same.

    Why be burdened over that distinction? The whole point is to
    announce that an echo exists and anyone, NAB or not, can pick
    it up if they want.

    An elist entry doesn't mean the area exists.

    An entry in the NAB's list, means it at least exists on the NAB.

    At some point people interested in participating in an
    echo need to consult with their sysop, or a sysop has to
    perform the %LIST and request to add it anyway. But the
    initial elist-bot process is something anyone could do to get
    something started at their convenience.

    You could see it as a problem to. If anyone can create a listing for any area, existing or not.

    Why was the elist-bot system even built in the first place if
    it wasn't intended to provide a more organized way to create
    and announce the existence of echos?

    Control.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Sep 5 21:32:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** you wrote to me:

    the elist-bot method [1] "creates" the echo,

    It only creates an entry in the echolist.

    Noted. I should have used the word "publishes" or "announces"
    instead of "creates".


    and [3] gets a spot in a .NA file that is distributed to
    boards everywhere.

    It's only in the .na file that is distributed in the
    monthly elist*.zip file. I very much doubt anyone
    processes it automatically and have areas auto created
    and destroyed.

    When I ran my bbs, the .NA file served as a fine catalog of
    what was available out there.

    But with a little more awareness, sysops can be given the
    heads-up that elist*.zip is a fine goto package to see what
    echos are yearning to be linked up.


    An elist entry doesn't mean the area exists.

    An entry in the NAB's list, means it at least exists on
    the NAB.

    Ya. Ok. Once again, you nabbed me on a technical issue. But I
    am trying to describe a practical convenient system that works
    24/7 using the computers that people love to see doing the
    things that they were designed for: automation.

    An announcement via the elist-bot system doesn't "create" the
    echo, but it is an easy way to get the word around, and the
    contents are presented in a consistent readible way with all
    info contained within. Instead of a long series of public or
    pm messages back and forth, everything any sysop needs to know
    about a potential echo seeking distribution is contained in the
    elist system of files.


    ..But the initial elist-bot process is something anyone
    could do to get something started at their convenience.

    You could see it as a problem to. If anyone can create a
    listing for any area, existing or not.

    Everything has potential to be abused. But talking successfully
    to the elist-bot provides some assurance that the creator/
    moderator is serious. I doubt that a creator and potential
    moderator would want to go through all the trouble of following
    the elist language just to be painted as a nuisance.

    What system/method do you propose desired and wishlist echos be
    announced?


    Why was the elist-bot system even built in the first
    place if it wasn't intended to provide a more organized
    way to create and announce the existence of echos?

    Control.

    The ultimate control lies with the sysop of a board who can
    choose to add an echo for distribution or not.

    I would used the words "structure" and "organization" instead.
    Add to that the fun factor of communicating with a bot, the
    elist system is a pretty good implementation of computer power.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Tue Sep 7 09:27:10 2021

    Hi August,

    On 2021-09-05 21:32:00, you wrote to me:

    and [3] gets a spot in a .NA file that is distributed to
    boards everywhere.

    It's only in the .na file that is distributed in the
    monthly elist*.zip file. I very much doubt anyone
    processes it automatically and have areas auto created
    and destroyed.

    When I ran my bbs, the .NA file served as a fine catalog of
    what was available out there.

    Probably the one distributed by the NAB...

    But with a little more awareness, sysops can be given the
    heads-up that elist*.zip is a fine goto package to see what
    echos are yearning to be linked up.

    The elist*.zip is mostly a mausoleum of dead areas. With totally inaccurate Volume information... :-/

    An elist entry doesn't mean the area exists.

    An entry in the NAB's list, means it at least exists on
    the NAB.

    Ya. Ok. Once again, you nabbed me on a technical issue. But I
    am trying to describe a practical convenient system that works
    24/7 using the computers that people love to see doing the
    things that they were designed for: automation.

    If you want accurate/reliable information of what is available for you, you should consult the %LIST of your links.

    An announcement via the elist-bot system doesn't "create" the
    echo, but it is an easy way to get the word around,

    There aren't many nodes that consistantly scan the list for changes between updates.

    If you want a new area to get known and linked to, you will have to announce it manually in selected echomail areas, that is the only way.

    and the contents are presented in a consistent readible way with all
    info contained within. Instead of a long series of public or pm
    messages back and forth, everything any sysop needs to know about a potential echo seeking distribution is contained in the elist system
    of files.

    Not really, you still need to PM your links, to get them to connect to it.

    ..But the initial elist-bot process is something anyone
    could do to get something started at their convenience.

    You could see it as a problem to. If anyone can create a
    listing for any area, existing or not.

    Everything has potential to be abused.

    It has been in the past.

    But talking successfully to the elist-bot provides some assurance that
    the creator/ moderator is serious. I doubt that a creator and
    potential moderator would want to go through all the trouble of
    following the elist language just to be painted as a nuisance.

    Some did in the past... But we already knew they were a nuisance. :-/


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Sep 7 18:27:48 2021
    On 7/9/21 9:27 a. m. you wrote:

    If you want a new area to get known and linked to, you will have
    to announce it manually in selected echomail areas, that is the
    only way.

    The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.

    --
    Carlos
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Tue Sep 7 19:31:55 2021
    Hi Carlos,

    On 2021-09-07 18:27:48, you wrote to me:

    If you want a new area to get known and linked to, you will have
    to announce it manually in selected echomail areas, that is the
    only way.

    The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.

    I don't remember seeing that done before, but why not...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Sep 8 09:24:54 2021
    07 Sep 2021 19:31, you wrote to me:

    The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.

    I don't remember seeing that done before, but why not...

    I think I remember having read some echo announcement back in the 90s, though not sure.

    More "recently", I have found in a quick search:

    - LIVE_AUDIO echo in FidoNews 25-16 (2008)
    - EMERGCOM echo, several announcements around 2010-2011
    - IPV6 echo in FidoNews 28-20 (2011)
    - HOTDOGED in Jon Justvig's alt. edition 30-42 (2013).

    Carlos
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Wed Sep 8 10:41:58 2021
    Hi Carlos,

    On 2021-09-08 09:24:54, you wrote to me:

    The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.

    I don't remember seeing that done before, but why not...

    I think I remember having read some echo announcement back in the 90s, though not sure.

    More "recently", I have found in a quick search:

    - LIVE_AUDIO echo in FidoNews 25-16 (2008)
    - EMERGCOM echo, several announcements around 2010-2011
    - IPV6 echo in FidoNews 28-20 (2011)
    - HOTDOGED in Jon Justvig's alt. edition 30-42 (2013).

    My memory span is like that of a goldfish for these things... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Carlos Navarro on Wed Sep 8 08:02:00 2021
    Hello Carlos Navarro!

    ** On Wednesday 08.09.21 - 09:24, Carlos Navarro wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    07 Sep 2021 19:31, you wrote to me:

    The FidoNews might be another good place to announce it.

    I don't remember seeing that done before, but why not...

    [...]

    More "recently", I have found in a quick search:

    - LIVE_AUDIO echo in FidoNews 25-16 (2008)
    - EMERGCOM echo, several announcements around 2010-2011
    - IPV6 echo in FidoNews 28-20 (2011)
    - HOTDOGED in Jon Justvig's alt. edition 30-42 (2013).

    Precisely. Publishing/advertising is the key whether it is the
    Fidonews newsletter, the FIDONEWS, or ECHO_ADS or some of the
    other "sysop" echos too.

    And, if can be in the Fidonews newsletter, it can be helpful in
    the automated Elist system too.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Sep 8 11:12:46 2021
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Next we'll have to get the area listed in the echolist and try to get
    some hubs linked so interested folks can connect.

    There have been a couple of Fido echoes that have been distributed
    locally - there's nothins stopping people from connecting to your
    system to get a local echo. If anything, it's a nice proof of concept
    that there's some interest before going onto the backbone.

    That's true. 1:153/757 is a link friendly node. If anyone would like to link up here just send me a netmail and we'll get that done.

    The area is listed in the echolist now and I am about to request the area be carried on the backbone so hopefully that will happen and make connections for the area easy to do.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Love is blind, marriage is the eye-opener.

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  • From Erich B.@1:153/757.2 to Alan Ianson on Thu Sep 9 13:05:51 2021


    That's true. 1:153/757 is a link friendly node. If anyone would like to link up here just send me a netmail and we'll get that done.

    The area is listed in the echolist now and I am about to request the area be carried on the backbone so hopefully that will happen and make connections for the area easy to do.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Love is blind, marriage is the eye-opener.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5
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    I hope it gets lots of traffic. :-)

    $ The Millionaire $
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Erich B. on Thu Sep 9 14:19:04 2021
    Erich B. wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    I hope it gets lots of traffic. :-)

    Yes, I hope so too. I hope that folks will find the area useful and enjoyable.

    The area has two links now and I am going to reach out to a few of my links and ask them to link the area if possible.

    So, the area is up and running now but it does need more links and I am sure that will come together in time.

    So the area just needs a post now to get it started. My trigger finger is twitching.. ;)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... And now for something you'll really like! -Rocky

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  • From Erich B.@1:103/705 to Alan Ianson on Thu Sep 9 16:06:25 2021


    Yes, I hope so too. I hope that folks will find the area useful and enjoyable.

    The area has two links now and I am going to reach out to a few of my links and ask them to link the area if possible.

    So, the area is up and running now but it does need more links and I am sure that will come together in time.

    So the area just needs a post now to get it started. My trigger finger is twitching.. ;)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... And now for something you'll really like! -Rocky

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    Yeah I also added a post to sort of get things moving too so to speak.

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