• About Bertie

    From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 19:27:20 2008

    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American from
    taking part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of
    "flaming" seen in this country.

    A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local
    Usenet newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting
    fake photographs of a topless Queen Mother.

    If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities and
    abusing everyone in sight, you might expect the manager to throw them
    out or call the police.

    But neither of these remedies is available to the newsgroup users, who
    are desperate to rid themselves of what is known on the internet as a
    "troll."

    Trolls get their kicks from baiting other people using online discussion

    forums.

    "Bertie the Bunyip" is believed to be a commercial pilot living in the
    United States.

    He claims to have been similarly hounding newsgroups in the United
    States for three years, despite complaints to the FBI and a libel action

    against him.

    After local users unwisely responded to his taunts, the Bunyip's replies

    soon spread to the nz.comp and nz.politics newsgroups.

    New Zealand politicians - including some ministers - are believed to use

    the politics group.

    In the past few days, the American has paralysed the most popular of the

    local forums, nz.general, which is read by up to 50,000 people.

    Bunyip's antics have prompted some users to stop using the newsgroups.

    Bunyip changes his identity characteristics every 30 or 40 posts, so it
    is difficult to check him using e-mail or newsreader software blocked
    senders' lists.

    David Farrar, a newsgroup user and information technology adviser to
    National Party leader Jenny Shipley, described the "flame" war as the
    worst outbreak of its kind he had seen on New Zealand discussion groups.

    Applying sanctions against Usenet users could be extremely difficult,
    said Mr Farrar.

    Bunyip has been using a Seattle-based newsgroup service called Altopia,
    which has a liberal policy on what it will allow.

    "One of the problems of newsgroups is that they are about as close to
    anarchy as anything can get," he said.

    "If you get a person going rogue, as this Bertie the Bunyip has, you
    would normally complain to their internet service provider.

    "Unless it is causing actual harm, they don't see it as their job to
    police it."

    Xtra systems support specialist Richard Stevenson said he could easily
    filter the messages from Xtra's news server - one of several providing
    Usenet feeds in New Zealand.

    But he would not decide to do so himself.

    Mr Stevenson said he had not yet had to remove individual posts but had occasionally, at the request of the Department of Internal Affairs,
    blocked newsgroups that were related to child pornography.

    He was not concerned about Bunyip's rights to freedom of speech.

    "He's got to get it into his skull that [news servers] are private
    property."

    Mr Farrar believed that if Bunyip persisted for more than a couple of
    weeks, local internet service providers might agree to remove him from
    New Zealand servers.

    But it was more likely that Bunyip would disappear quite quickly if
    ignored.


    http://talkaboutaviation.com/group/alt.aviation.safety/messages/96406.html
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  • From george@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation, rec.aviatio on Sat Jan 19 11:34:30 2008
    On Jan 20, 8:27 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of "flaming" seen in this country.

    Rubbish.

    You are demonstrating your ignorance as to how the Internet and
    especially news groups work.
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From James Robinson@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 19:44:38 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
    from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst
    cases of "flaming" seen in this country.

    < snip >

    That article is seven years old. Hasn't had much effect, has it?
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 19:45:14 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47924F18.E124F1AF@hotmail.com:


    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
    from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst
    cases of "flaming" seen in this country.

    A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset
    local Usenet newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included
    posting fake photographs of a topless Queen Mother.

    If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities
    and abusing everyone in sight, you might expect the manager to throw
    them out or call the police.

    But neither of these remedies is available to the newsgroup users, who
    are desperate to rid themselves of what is known on the internet as a "troll."

    Trolls get their kicks from baiting other people using online
    discussion

    forums.

    "Bertie the Bunyip" is believed to be a commercial pilot living in the
    United States.

    He claims to have been similarly hounding newsgroups in the United
    States for three years, despite complaints to the FBI and a libel
    action

    against him.

    After local users unwisely responded to his taunts, the Bunyip's
    replies

    soon spread to the nz.comp and nz.politics newsgroups.

    New Zealand politicians - including some ministers - are believed to
    use

    the politics group.

    In the past few days, the American has paralysed the most popular of
    the

    local forums, nz.general, which is read by up to 50,000 people.

    Bunyip's antics have prompted some users to stop using the newsgroups.

    Bunyip changes his identity characteristics every 30 or 40 posts, so
    it is difficult to check him using e-mail or newsreader software
    blocked senders' lists.

    David Farrar, a newsgroup user and information technology adviser to
    National Party leader Jenny Shipley, described the "flame" war as the
    worst outbreak of its kind he had seen on New Zealand discussion
    groups.

    Applying sanctions against Usenet users could be extremely difficult,
    said Mr Farrar.

    Bunyip has been using a Seattle-based newsgroup service called
    Altopia, which has a liberal policy on what it will allow.

    "One of the problems of newsgroups is that they are about as close to
    anarchy as anything can get," he said.

    "If you get a person going rogue, as this Bertie the Bunyip has, you
    would normally complain to their internet service provider.

    "Unless it is causing actual harm, they don't see it as their job to
    police it."

    Xtra systems support specialist Richard Stevenson said he could easily
    filter the messages from Xtra's news server - one of several providing
    Usenet feeds in New Zealand.

    But he would not decide to do so himself.

    Mr Stevenson said he had not yet had to remove individual posts but
    had occasionally, at the request of the Department of Internal
    Affairs, blocked newsgroups that were related to child pornography.

    He was not concerned about Bunyip's rights to freedom of speech.

    "He's got to get it into his skull that [news servers] are private
    property."

    Mr Farrar believed that if Bunyip persisted for more than a couple of
    weeks, local internet service providers might agree to remove him from
    New Zealand servers.

    But it was more likely that Bunyip would disappear quite quickly if
    ignored.


    Old news but thanks for sharing!


    I think I still have that poic of the queen mother's tits somewhere. You
    could put it on your wall and sing "God save the Queen " While you do
    whatever it is you assholes do.....



    Bertie
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 20:15:16 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    My provider forwarded all of his whiney komplaints about me,to me, BTW.

    hilarious!

    All ONE of them (from when you 'imposted' me) ?

    Graham
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    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 20:24:28 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    george wrote:

    You are demonstrating your ignorance as to how the Internet and
    especially news groups work.

    No. I'm demonstrating the ignorance of NEWSPAPERS about how the
    Internet and especially newsgroups work.

    I know EXACTLY how they work myself.


    Thus explaining your tremendous success in getting me TOSsed.

    I never seriously tried. You yourself behaved in the groups I've
    encountered you in except for one occasion when I sent a shot across your
    bows.

    Didn't do it again did you ? Nor have you forgotten it either !

    Incidentally, even matey boy Chris Caputo of Altopia has changed his policy
    to stop flooding now.

    Graham


    alt.usenet.kooks removed
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    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 20:24:43 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47925984.17B3DD4D@hotmail.com:



    James Robinson wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
    from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst
    cases of "flaming" seen in this country.

    < snip >

    That article is seven years old. Hasn't had much effect, has it?

    It was for background info on Bertie only.

    He has actually pretty much stopped disrupting groups now though along
    with his idiot 'meow' friends.


    Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhawhahhw!


    God I LOVE this guy



    Bertie
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 20:25:12 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47925984.17B3DD4D@hotmail.com:



    James Robinson wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
    from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst
    cases of "flaming" seen in this country.

    < snip >

    That article is seven years old. Hasn't had much effect, has it?

    It was for background info on Bertie only.

    He has actually pretty much stopped disrupting groups now though along
    with his idiot 'meow' friends.


    Bwawhahwhahwhahhwhawhahwhahwhha!

    God I LOVE this guy


    Bertie
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 20:26:12 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47925C7C.AFA4FE01@hotmail.com:



    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    george wrote:

    You are demonstrating your ignorance as to how the Internet and
    especially news groups work.

    No. I'm demonstrating the ignorance of NEWSPAPERS about how the
    Internet and especially newsgroups work.

    I know EXACTLY how they work myself.


    Thus explaining your tremendous success in getting me TOSsed.

    I never seriously tried. You yourself behaved in the groups I've
    encountered you in except for one occasion when I sent a shot across
    your bows.

    Didn't do it again did you ? Nor have you forgotten it either !

    Incidentally, even matey boy Chris Caputo of Altopia has changed his
    policy to stop flooding now.


    I neve rflooded, moron,.


    That's actually what you're doing...

    Graham


    alt.usenet.kooks removed


    Wonder why?


    Bertie


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    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 21:12:42 2008
    terry <tfmann@iprimus.com.au> wrote in news:26f04712-7899-4390-9180- c1970b0e7a11@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

    On Jan 20, 6:27.am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American from
    taking part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of
    "flaming" seen in this country.

    snip

    A strange character indeed, and the nz link is interesting, is he a
    Kiwi perhaps? I had often wondered if Bertie might be an Aussie,
    the bunyip being an Australian folkore character after all, and
    theres not really much difference between a Kiwi and an Aussie
    (apart from about 10 IQ points ,the inability to say the number six or
    to play cricket and of course the great , lets call it rappour , they
    have with their sheep ). No offence Kiwis, I am just seeing if I can
    flush him out !


    And good luck with that..

    Bertie
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  • From Rich Ahrens@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 16:49:37 2008
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:4792593F.781A0C10@hotmail.com:


    george wrote:

    Eeyore wrote:

    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
    from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst
    cases of "flaming" seen in this country.
    Rubbish.

    You are demonstrating your ignorance as to how the Internet and
    especially news groups work.
    No. I'm demonstrating the ignorance of NEWSPAPERS about how the
    Internet and especially newsgroups work.

    I know EXACTLY how they work myself.



    Thus explaining your tremendous success in getting me TOSsed.


    However that wasn't the point of the post.


    Which is antoher excellent example of how clueless you are.


    For fuck's sake, moron, I used to use that as my sig file!

    Remember?

    Did oyu actually think it would embarass me?

    The point is, it doesn't matter if I were Joe Stalin, Satan himself or
    even Maggie Thatcher.

    Might be different if you were Winston Churchill, though...
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 22:49:47 2008
    Rich Ahrens <rma@iphouse.com> wrote in news:47927e85$0$1110 $8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net:

    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
    news:4792593F.781A0C10@hotmail.com:


    george wrote:

    Eeyore wrote:

    Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American
    from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst
    cases of "flaming" seen in this country.
    Rubbish.

    You are demonstrating your ignorance as to how the Internet and
    especially news groups work.
    No. I'm demonstrating the ignorance of NEWSPAPERS about how the
    Internet and especially newsgroups work.

    I know EXACTLY how they work myself.



    Thus explaining your tremendous success in getting me TOSsed.


    However that wasn't the point of the post.


    Which is antoher excellent example of how clueless you are.


    For fuck's sake, moron, I used to use that as my sig file!

    Remember?

    Did oyu actually think it would embarass me?

    The point is, it doesn't matter if I were Joe Stalin, Satan himself
    or
    even Maggie Thatcher.

    Might be different if you were Winston Churchill, though...


    Them's fightin words, but actually Maggie also fills the criteria for
    war criminal.
    Not to mention what she did to her own.


    Bertie
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Ron Wanttaja@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 16:45:20 2008
    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:49:37 -0600, Rich Ahrens <rma@iphouse.com> wrote:


    The point is, it doesn't matter if I were Joe Stalin, Satan himself or even Maggie Thatcher.

    Might be different if you were Winston Churchill, though...

    Yeah, did you notice that you never see them together? :-)

    Ron Wanttaja
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Rich Ahrens@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 19:20:31 2008
    Ron Wanttaja wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:49:37 -0600, Rich Ahrens <rma@iphouse.com> wrote:

    The point is, it doesn't matter if I were Joe Stalin, Satan himself or
    even Maggie Thatcher.
    Might be different if you were Winston Churchill, though...

    Yeah, did you notice that you never see them together? :-)

    Come to think of it, I've never seen Bertie in the same room with Oliver Cromwell either.
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sun Jan 20 01:25:34 2008
    Rich Ahrens <rma@iphouse.com> wrote in news:4792a1e3$0$27492$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net:

    Ron Wanttaja wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:49:37 -0600, Rich Ahrens <rma@iphouse.com>
    wrote:

    The point is, it doesn't matter if I were Joe Stalin, Satan himself
    or even Maggie Thatcher.
    Might be different if you were Winston Churchill, though...

    Yeah, did you notice that you never see them together? :-)

    Come to think of it, I've never seen Bertie in the same room with
    Oliver Cromwell either.

    Or John Holmes..

    Bertie
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Jay Honeck@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sun Jan 20 01:26:26 2008
    But it was more likely that Bunyip would disappear quite quickly if
    ignored.

    The Bunyip is no different than a virus-infested file -- if you don't open
    it, it's invisible and harmless. Thanks to killfile(s), I haven't seen any
    of his drivel in weeks, and it's simply wonderful.

    Without his acidic personal attacks on everyone and everything, rec.piloting is still chock-full of good aviation stuff.
    --
    Jay Honeck
    Iowa City, IA
    Pathfinder N56993
    www.AlexisParkInn.com
    "Your Aviation Destination"
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sun Jan 20 01:28:04 2008
    "Jay Honeck" <jjhoneck@NOSPAMmchsi.com> wrote in news:6rxkj.307600$Fc.37251@attbi_s21:

    But it was more likely that Bunyip would disappear quite quickly if
    ignored.

    The Bunyip is no different than a virus-infested file -- if you don't
    open it, it's invisible and harmless. Thanks to killfile(s), I
    haven't seen any of his drivel in weeks, and it's simply wonderful.


    Liar

    Without his acidic personal attacks on everyone and everything,


    Nope, only assholes.



    rec.piloting is still chock-full of good aviation stuff.


    Well, barring your stuff, of course.


    Bertie
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation. on Sun Jan 20 09:50:39 2008
    buttman <nbvFOUR@gmail.com> wrote in news:8922f5bc-e833-4562-b71d-e8b69b5a8747@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

    On Jan 19, 7:56 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
    sockpuppe...@gmail.com wrote in news:a962c3ea-0160-440a-8218-
    d5d343aba...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:



    Been done.

    alt.fan.bertie-the-bunyip

    Bertie

    We live in an amazing world.

    Truly.

    But you can propogate any newsgroup you like, particularly in the
    alt.heirarchy. I didn't do the AFBTB group, but a friend set it up as
    quick as it took to type this.

    Bertie

    dont be silly, you don't have any friends


    Oh ouch. You really know how to hurt a bunyip.



    Bertie
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