"Bertie the Bunyip" <Sn@rt.1> wrote in message news:Xns9A2A1BE5D4F44pissupropeeh@207.14.116.130...
The Ercoupe was an interesting airplane. It had a placard on the
panel that said "This airplane is incapable of spinning" The rudder
(what there was of it) was directly linked to the yoke and any
tendency to spin was automatically countered. No rudder pedals..just
a brake pedal and a yoke. If I remember right, I think the elevator
was limited to 13 degrees as well which made it real hard to even
stall. It would mush like hell but stay on the front side of it's
max Cl line. Landing that thing was something else. A Lot of people
don't know this but Tex Johnston out at Boeing practiced crosswind
landings in an Ercoupe just to get the feel of landing in a crab
since he couldn't drop a wing in the prototype -80 because of the
engine pods. It was a great little airplane to fly and a lot of fun.
The one fault we found with it was a high sink rate that could
develop on final if you let it get too slow. But if you kept the
speed up a bit it was a joy to fly. Never did get one to spin!! :-)
Yeah, I checked a guy ( and myself) out in one that he had restored.
The manual actually told you to hold th estick full aft to increse
your sink rate if you were high on finals!
!!!!!
Bertie
That, and you can hang your hand out the side slide down window which
acts like a spoiler. A guy on the field here has I think 4 'Coupes
along with his Twister and Meyers 200. Sometimes I think he prefers
the 'Coupes over them all. He mumbles under his breath damn cessners
and pippers...
"Blueskies" <nospambluesk...@ameritech.net> wrote innews:2lokj.790$so6.116@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
"Bertie the Bunyip" <S...@rt.1> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2A1BE5D4F44pissupropeeh@207.14.116.130...
The Ercoupe was an interesting airplane. It had a placard on the
panel that said "This airplane is incapable of spinning" The rudder
(what there was of it) was directly linked to the yoke and any
tendency to spin was automatically countered. No rudder pedals..just
a brake pedal and a yoke. If I remember right, I think the elevator
was limited to 13 degrees as well which made it real hard to even
stall. It would mush like hell but stay on the front side of it's
max Cl line. Landing that thing was something else. A Lot of people
don't know this but Tex Johnston out at Boeing practiced crosswind
landings in an Ercoupe just to get the feel of landing in a crab
since he couldn't drop a wing in the prototype -80 because of the
engine pods. It was a great little airplane to fly and a lot of fun.
The one fault we found with it was a high sink rate that could
develop on final if you let it get too slow. But if you kept the
speed up a bit it was a joy to fly. Never did get one to spin!! :-)
Yeah, I checked a guy ( and myself) out in one that he had restored.
The manual actually told you to hold th estick full aft to increse
your sink rate if you were high on finals!
!!!!!
Bertie
That, and you can hang your hand out the side slide down window which
acts like a spoiler. A guy on the field here has I think 4 'Coupes
along with his Twister and Meyers 200. Sometimes I think he prefers
the 'Coupes over them all. He mumbles under his breath damn cessners
and pippers...
He has a Meyers 200 and an Ercoupe?
Now that's a werid combination!
The ercoupe was an effecient airplane even by today's standards. Remeber
it came out in 1938 and it's an astonishing bit of airplane.
Stil too girly for me, though!
Bertie
On Jan 19, 10:21 am, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
"Blueskies" <nospambluesk...@ameritech.net> wrote
innews:2lokj.790$so6.116@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
"Bertie the Bunyip" <S...@rt.1> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2A1BE5D4F44pissupropeeh@207.14.116.130...
The Ercoupe was an interesting airplane. It had a placard on the
panel that said "This airplane is incapable of spinning" The
rudder (what there was of it) was directly linked to the yoke and
any tendency to spin was automatically countered. No rudder
pedals..just a brake pedal and a yoke. If I remember right, I
think the elevator was limited to 13 degrees as well which made
it real hard to even stall. It would mush like hell but stay on
the front side of it's max Cl line. Landing that thing was
something else. A Lot of people don't know this but Tex Johnston
out at Boeing practiced crosswind landings in an Ercoupe just to
get the feel of landing in a crab since he couldn't drop a wing
in the prototype -80 because of the engine pods. It was a great
little airplane to fly and a lot of fun. The one fault we found
with it was a high sink rate that could develop on final if you
let it get too slow. But if you kept the speed up a bit it was a
joy to fly. Never did get one to spin!! :-)
Yeah, I checked a guy ( and myself) out in one that he had
restored. The manual actually told you to hold th estick full aft
to increse your sink rate if you were high on finals!
!!!!!
Bertie
That, and you can hang your hand out the side slide down window
which acts like a spoiler. A guy on the field here has I think 4
'Coupes along with his Twister and Meyers 200. Sometimes I think he
prefers the 'Coupes over them all. He mumbles under his breath damn
cessners and pippers...
He has a Meyers 200 and an Ercoupe?
Now that's a werid combination!
The ercoupe was an effecient airplane even by today's standards.
Remeber it came out in 1938 and it's an astonishing bit of airplane.
Stil too girly for me, though!
Bertie
Sad story follows...
A friend has a thing for Ercoupes. Been looking for one for years
within his price range -- around $15k.
Sees an ad in trade-a-plane, calls., the widow states, "I have to get
17 -- my husband said it was worth 17."
"Well, for the equipment you have in it, etc..all I can offer is 15."
"Sorry."
Months later.. he calls back, "You still have that airplane?"
"Yep, and not selling it for less than 17."
"OK."
A few months later 'You still have that airplane?"
"Nope..sold it to a fellow -- he paid 17."
"Well, that's pretty good. Seventeen thousand is a good price for an ercoupe."
Silence.
"Ma'am?"
"Seventeen thousand, you said?"
"Yes, ma'am."
"I sold it for seventeen hundred -- and included all the boxes of
parts."
More conversation ensues --seems the deceased was restoring it, hoping
to place at Oshkosh -- thus the minimal equipment listed. Included
lots of brandy-new spares, parts, etc.
For $1,700.
Yikes.
Moral -- clarify your terms!
"danmc61@gmail.com" <danmc61@gmail.com> wrote in news:b13dbc51-da26-4e0b-8e2b-d15de538d934@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
On Jan 19, 10:21 am, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
"Blueskies" <nospambluesk...@ameritech.net> wroteSad story follows...
innews:2lokj.790$so6.116@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
"Bertie the Bunyip" <S...@rt.1> wrote in messageHe has a Meyers 200 and an Ercoupe?
news:Xns9A2A1BE5D4F44pissupropeeh@207.14.116.130...
That, and you can hang your hand out the side slide down windowThe Ercoupe was an interesting airplane. It had a placard on theYeah, I checked a guy ( and myself) out in one that he had
panel that said "This airplane is incapable of spinning" The
rudder (what there was of it) was directly linked to the yoke and
any tendency to spin was automatically countered. No rudder
pedals..just a brake pedal and a yoke. If I remember right, I
think the elevator was limited to 13 degrees as well which made
it real hard to even stall. It would mush like hell but stay on
the front side of it's max Cl line. Landing that thing was
something else. A Lot of people don't know this but Tex Johnston
out at Boeing practiced crosswind landings in an Ercoupe just to
get the feel of landing in a crab since he couldn't drop a wing
in the prototype -80 because of the engine pods. It was a great
little airplane to fly and a lot of fun. The one fault we found
with it was a high sink rate that could develop on final if you
let it get too slow. But if you kept the speed up a bit it was a
joy to fly. Never did get one to spin!! :-)
restored. The manual actually told you to hold th estick full aft
to increse your sink rate if you were high on finals!
!!!!!
Bertie
which acts like a spoiler. A guy on the field here has I think 4
'Coupes along with his Twister and Meyers 200. Sometimes I think he
prefers the 'Coupes over them all. He mumbles under his breath damn
cessners and pippers...
Now that's a werid combination!
The ercoupe was an effecient airplane even by today's standards.
Remeber it came out in 1938 and it's an astonishing bit of airplane.
Stil too girly for me, though!
Bertie
A friend has a thing for Ercoupes. Been looking for one for years
within his price range -- around $15k.
Sees an ad in trade-a-plane, calls., the widow states, "I have to get
17 -- my husband said it was worth 17."
"Well, for the equipment you have in it, etc..all I can offer is 15."
"Sorry."
Months later.. he calls back, "You still have that airplane?"
"Yep, and not selling it for less than 17."
"OK."
A few months later 'You still have that airplane?"
"Nope..sold it to a fellow -- he paid 17."
"Well, that's pretty good. Seventeen thousand is a good price for an
ercoupe."
Silence.
"Ma'am?"
"Seventeen thousand, you said?"
"Yes, ma'am."
"I sold it for seventeen hundred -- and included all the boxes of
parts."
More conversation ensues --seems the deceased was restoring it, hoping
to place at Oshkosh -- thus the minimal equipment listed. Included
lots of brandy-new spares, parts, etc.
For $1,700.
Yikes.
Moral -- clarify your terms!
Holy crap! You can't get a second hand Datsun for that.
Bertie
Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote innews:Cu-dnTFMUPcDsA_anZ2dnUV=Z_vninZ2d@rcn.net:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in >>news:D9adnfxDc6x0tQ_anZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@rcn.net:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in >>>>news:f7edndlXsraJug_anZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@rcn.net:
Holy crap! You can't get a second hand Datsun for that.
BertieHell, it's getting to the point where you can't FILL UP a second
hand Datsun with gas for that :-))
He he.
I have to say, I couldn't have done that to that woman. I would
have told her.
Well, depending!
Bertie
You know, it's uncanny. I actually started to post exactly that and
for some reason stopped and posted the stupid gas thing instead. I
would have told her as well.
I was offered a car, an old MG, by some old guy years ago.
He thought it was worth a few hundred. The car was perfect, though it
had been sitting, =A0and easily worth 10 grand even then ( MGA twin
cam) I told him to take it to an auction house... Poor old guy didnt
have a pot to piss in. I'm not sure where the car came from and never
found out where it went, but I hope it bought him a few comforts.
Someone bought an old Chevvy Nova off my Aunt after my uncle died.
Gave her =A0$200 for it. Actually it wasn't old then, maybe four years
old. and it was a perfectly kept old person's car. you know the type.
Easily worth $1200 at the time. Bastards!
BertieIt's things like these that when and if they cross your path, can
define what you are to yourself all through your life.
My motto is that as long as you feel good about yourself, you've done
it right.
I sure hope this is good philosophy because if it isn't, I've lost
many a good opportunity in my life :-))
Ah, something you get that way won't give you any genuine pleasure.
Bertie- Hide quoted text -
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Maybe another second to recognize to wich
side the disc was rotating. And maybe a third second to sort out which
foot to use.
The Ercoupe was an interesting airplane. It had a placard on the >>> panel that said "This airplane is incapable of spinning" The rudder >>> (what there was of it) was directly linked to the yoke and any >>> tendency to spin was automatically countered. No rudder pedals..just >>> a brake pedal and a yoke. If I remember right, I think the elevator >>> was limited to 13 degrees as well which made it real hard to even >>> stall. It would mush like hell but stay on the front side of it's >>> max Cl line. Landing that thing was something else. A Lot of people >>> don't know this but Tex Johnston out at Boeing practiced crosswind >>> landings in an Ercoupe just to get the feel of landing in a crab >>> since he couldn't drop a wing in the prototype -80 because of the >>> engine pods. It was a great little airplane to fly and a lot of fun. >>> The one fault we found with it was a high sink rate that could >>> develop on final if you let it get too slow. But if you kept the >>> speed up a bit it was a joy to fly. Never did get one to spin!! :-) >>>
The ercoupe was an effecient airplane even by today's
standards. Remeber
it came out in 1938 and it's an astonishing bit of airplane.
Stil too girly for me, though!
Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:31:06 GMT, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com"
<u33403@uwe> wrote:
What kind of flying are you doing where you're expecting to be letting down >> w/o power?
I go to idle when I'm abreast of the touchdown point. I finish the
downwind, and fly the base and final legs, without power unless I've
goofed in turning base too late.
And that reminds me: I've often wondered how much difference it makes
if the engine is actually dead and the prop is windmilling, as opposed
to revolving at idle. If I do actually lose engine power, will I sink
more rapidly?
Blue skies! -- Dan Ford
Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com
They have rudders, they're co-ordinated with the aileron. The later ones
had rudder pedals and many were converted to have them.
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:58:49 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip <Sn@rt.1>
wrote:
They have rudders, they're co-ordinated with the aileron. The later ones >>had rudder pedals and many were converted to have them.
My Beech Sundowner has an aileron to rudder linkage. It helps coordination, but the plane won't slip as well as a PA-28.
On Jan 19, 2:34 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
They have rudders, they're co-ordinated with the aileron. The later
ones had rudder pedals and many were converted to have them.
My Beech Sundowner has an aileron to rudder linkage. It helps
coordination, but the plane won't slip as well as a PA-28.
Ah, i didn;'t know they had that. Tripacers had it as well. Springs
so you could still cross them.
Bertie
Some 172s did, too. We have here a 172M that had the factory
seaplane stuff installed (forward strut lugs on the firewall, diagonal
braces behind the windshield, and the backside of all metal primed),
and they included a couple of springs between the aileron and rudder
cables in the belly. You hardly know they're there. I wonder if it was
a means of avoiding an extra keel surface like you see on Beavers and
some other floatplanes.
This one never did fly on floats.
On Jan 19, 9:36 am, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote:
Holy crap! You can't get a second hand Datsun for that.
Hell, it's getting to the point where you can't FILL UP a second hand
Datsun with gas for that :-))
Your ages are showing. Some young punk is going to ask what a
Datsun is.
...Swept fin 150s will only do three turns for the most part
and 152s even less.
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:45:39 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip <Sn@rt.1>
wrote:
...Swept fin 150s will only do three turns for the most part
and 152s even less.
I beg to differ. I've done up to 12 turns in C-150's (could have been
a 152, it's been a long time), no trouble at all.
Back when I was learning, I asked my instructor to teach me spins
(this was in 150's). Not just "demonstrating", he had me doing 3 turn
spins and recoveries myself... and told me (with a smile, knowing that
the 17 year old kid I was would do whatever I damm well pleased) not
to do them solo.
Did 20 turns once in my T-Craft... and on another occasion spun the
T-Craft down through an overcast when I got stuck on top ('bout 8
turns as I recall).
Sounds like fun! Makes me wonder if being a banner tower would be so
bad?? Hours of slow flight along the beach?
Some 172s did, too. We have here a 172M that had the factory
seaplane stuff installed (forward strut lugs on the firewall, diagonal
braces behind the windshield, and the backside of all metal primed),
and they included a couple of springs between the aileron and rudder
cables in the belly. You hardly know they're there. I wonder if it was
a means of avoiding an extra keel surface like you see on Beavers and
some other floatplanes.
Well, those are to compensate for the extra area out front. I wonder if
land 172 had them. I haven;t got a whole lot of 172 time but I've never
heard of those in any case..
Bertie
On Jan 19, 3:35 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
Well, those are to compensate for the extra area out front. I wonder if
land 172 had them. I haven;t got a whole lot of 172 time but I've never
heard of those in any case..
Bertie
Nope. The land-only 172s don't have them.
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