• Re: What did it take to get a ticket in 1946?

    From Jay Honeck@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 14:24:52 2008
    Does anyone know what the requirements were in those days?
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    In 1945 I was a Second Lt, Army Air Corps Pilot in RTU (Replacement (Fighter) Training Unit) and a CAA rep came around and all of us who
    wanted a Private License were given a 10 question test and then given
    a Temp Certificate and regular license came in several weeks later.

    Not to rain on anyone's parade about "the good ol' days" -- but I've read
    that the accident statistics back then were truly appalling. As FAA guys
    are fond of saying, each new rule was written in blood -- which is why it's
    so much harder to get your ticket nowadays.

    Big John, you were there. Was it as bad as they say?
    --
    Jay Honeck
    Iowa City, IA
    Pathfinder N56993
    www.AlexisParkInn.com
    "Your Aviation Destination"
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  • From Mxsmanic@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 16:19:17 2008
    Big John writes:

    In 1945 I was a Second Lt, Army Air Corps Pilot in RTU (Replacement (Fighter) Training Unit) and a CAA rep came around and all of us who
    wanted a Private License were given a 10 question test and then given
    a Temp Certificate and regular license came in several weeks later.

    You can't beat that. I of course later worked up to Commercial and
    Instructor SMEL and Instruments with no poblems..

    Oh for the good old days :o)

    Weren't you expected to fight a war in exchange for the easy license?
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  • From danmc61@gmail.com@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 07:24:36 2008
    On Jan 19, 10:19 am, Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    You can't beat that. I of course later worked up to Commercial and Instructor SMEL and Instruments with no poblems..

    Oh for the good old days :o)

    Weren't you expected to fight a war in exchange for the easy license?

    You really are amazingly irritating.

    Nothing can be sufficient exchange for service in wartime. It's not a
    deal, and it sure as hell isn't a simulation.

    Dan
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 15:26:51 2008
    Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in news:u654p3hbhtjl63phchsnadku13smq59b5r@4ax.com:

    Big John writes:

    In 1945 I was a Second Lt, Army Air Corps Pilot in RTU (Replacement
    (Fighter) Training Unit) and a CAA rep came around and all of us who
    wanted a Private License were given a 10 question test and then given
    a Temp Certificate and regular license came in several weeks later.

    You can't beat that. I of course later worked up to Commercial and
    Instructor SMEL and Instruments with no poblems..

    Oh for the good old days :o)

    Weren't you expected to fight a war in exchange for the easy license?


    Two foreign concepts for you in one!

    Three if oyu count the good old days.


    Bertie
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  • From danmc61@gmail.com@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 08:12:47 2008
    On Jan 19, 11:06 am, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
    "Viperdoc" <NOSPAMMjnin...@attglobal.net> wrote innews:k9pkj.1303$nK5.312@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:

    Unfortunately for Anthony, serving the country in the military is a
    foreign concept, although which service branch would take him is
    another question.

    I could just see his lard ass in front of a Marine drill instructor, explaining how to re-design the M-16, or expounding on infant formula
    and breast feeding.

    Bwaahwhahwhahwh!

    I can see the drill instructor collapsing in tears, too.

    I'm thinking we should rename him Gomer, now.

    Bertie

    Too much credit.

    Gomer actually made it through basic.

    I was an Army OCS TAC (Drill instructor for officers) - Sadly I saw
    his kind from time to time. We were always more than happy to keep
    their stay short -- usually 2 hours -- 90 minutes of that time spent outprocessing.

    Dan
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 16:32:06 2008
    "danmc61@gmail.com" <danmc61@gmail.com> wrote in news:3e59c291-b192-4f63-8f47-b3f69f3b3cc3@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

    On Jan 19, 11:06 am, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
    "Viperdoc" <NOSPAMMjnin...@attglobal.net> wrote
    innews:k9pkj.1303$nK5.312@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:

    Unfortunately for Anthony, serving the country in the military is a
    foreign concept, although which service branch would take him is
    another question.

    I could just see his lard ass in front of a Marine drill
    instructor, explaining how to re-design the M-16, or expounding on
    infant formula and breast feeding.

    Bwaahwhahwhahwh!

    I can see the drill instructor collapsing in tears, too.

    I'm thinking we should rename him Gomer, now.

    Bertie

    Too much credit.

    Gomer actually made it through basic.

    I was an Army OCS TAC (Drill instructor for officers) - Sadly I saw
    his kind from time to time. We were always more than happy to keep
    their stay short -- usually 2 hours -- 90 minutes of that time spent outprocessing.

    True, but the no money thingk might have suited him.
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  • From sockpuppet61@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 10:44:42 2008
    Jay, you may want to read "Fate is the Hunter" as that will give you a
    good idea of the number of early pilots who "wrote the regulations" for
    those of us who followed.

    Matt

    That book is simply excellent.
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  • From danmc61@gmail.com@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 13:09:21 2008
    On Jan 19, 2:10 pm, Dallas <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:37 -0600, Big John wrote:
    all of us who wanted a Private License were given a 10 question test

    Sounds easy, but that depends on the 10 questions. They could be:

    1) Skin friction drag is due to the viscous attachment that takes place between the surface and the layer of fluid immediately above it.

    (True) (False)

    :- )

    --
    Dallas

    Somebody's been reading "Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators"
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  • From danmc61@gmail.com@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 14:49:23 2008
    On Jan 19, 4:44 pm, Bob Moore <rmoor...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
    danm...@gmail.com wrote

    Somebody's been reading "Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators"

    I was required to read it 50 years ago while in Preflight
    Class 12-58, NAS Pensacola. I still have my copy.

    Bob Moore

    Awesome... it's amazing how undated the information is.

    I served 10 enlisted years in the Air Force, 11 commissioned years in
    the Army, and my respect for naval aviators is unbounded. Talk about
    having to get it right every time.

    Dan
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  • From danmc61@gmail.com@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 14:50:05 2008
    On Jan 19, 5:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:

    I have one given to me when I was 13..

    Bertie

    You're jes a damn genius, Gump!
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 22:54:39 2008
    "danmc61@gmail.com" <danmc61@gmail.com> wrote in news:734ef6c1-d411-4269- 9aa4-548352970ea6@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:

    On Jan 19, 5:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:

    I have one given to me when I was 13..

    Bertie

    You're jes a damn genius, Gump!


    Wasn't braggin. Just pointing out what a great book it is.
    I got another one at the same time, also USN. It's about instrument flying. It's unbeleivably simple, with pics of giants holding F4Fs by their wings
    to illustrate loads.

    Bertie
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  • From Dana M. Hague@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 18:47:21 2008
    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:02:13 -0500, Cubdriver <usenet AT danford DOT
    wrote:

    Note that, despite all the things they didn't have in 1946, they DID
    have one thing that is now sorely missed: almost every town had its
    name painted on a flat or nearly flat roof.

    They also had the third wheel on the proper end of most airplanes.. :)

    -Dana
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  • From Larry Dighera@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sun Jan 20 02:22:24 2008
    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip <Sn@rt.1>
    wrote in <Xns9A2AE29B17274pissupropeeh@207.14.116.130>:

    I have one given to me when I was 13..

    Oh, just last week, eh? :-)
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.usenet.ko on Sun Jan 20 02:30:22 2008
    Larry Dighera <LDighera@att.net> wrote in news:a2c5p3dn7ngo7mkeu805er6ikv32ljisbj@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip <Sn@rt.1>
    wrote in <Xns9A2AE29B17274pissupropeeh@207.14.116.130>:

    I have one given to me when I was 13..

    Oh, just last week, eh? :-)


    Go fjukk yourself netkkkopp


    Bertie
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  • From Big John@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 21:38:53 2008
    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:10:13 -0600, Dallas
    <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:37 -0600, Big John wrote:

    all of us who wanted a Private License were given a 10 question test

    Sounds easy, but that depends on the 10 questions. They could be:

    1) Skin friction drag is due to the viscous attachment that takes place >between the surface and the layer of fluid immediately above it.

    (True) (False)

    :- )
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    Nope. They were the basic civilian flying rules that we didn't use in
    the Army Air Corps.

    10 then. How many now?????

    I say again. Oh, for the good old days :o)

    Military.

    In WWII the top of the ladder was a Fighter Pilot and the F-51 was the
    Premier Fighter.

    Big John
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  • From Dallas@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sun Jan 20 00:16:42 2008
    On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:38:53 -0600, Big John wrote:

    10 then. How many now?????

    About 800 questions now.

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    Dallas
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  • From Dallas@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sun Jan 20 12:39:20 2008
    On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:04:01 +0900, Stealth Pilot wrote:

    the coment was written that the private pilot in 1970 was expected to understand more than the commercial pilot of the 1950's.

    Was a commercial ticket back in the 1950's all you needed to fly for the airlines?

    I know in the 1970's it required an ATR (Air Transport Rating) but I don't
    know when that was started.


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  • From Mxsmanic@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sun Jan 20 21:34:17 2008
    Dallas writes:

    Was a commercial ticket back in the 1950's all you needed to fly for the airlines?

    I know in the 1970's it required an ATR (Air Transport Rating) but I don't know when that was started.

    I saw Arthur Godfrey pilot an Eastern Airlines Constellation.
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