On Sat Nov-24-2018 15:30, Roger Nelson (1:3828/7) wrote to Nick Andre:

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On Fri Nov-23-2018 17:14, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Ward
Dossche:

On 23 Nov 18 19:22:21, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick
Andre:

[...]

@EEN-BY: 15/2 57/0 123/1970 153/250 757 229/107 275 426 728 240/5832 @EEN-BY: 249/317 400 261/38 267/800 280/464 292/854 317/2 3 322/757 @EEN-BY: 342/200 393/68 396/45 633/0 267 280 281 412 509 712/132 620 @EEN-BY: 712/848 770/0 1 100 340 772/0 1 500 3828/7
@ATH: 3828/7 229/426 393/68 770/1 712/848 633/280 229/426 3828/7

Regards,

Roger
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@EEN-BY: 15/2 57/0 123/1970 153/250 757 229/107 275 426 728 240/5832 RN>RN> @EEN-BY: 249/317 400 261/38 267/800 280/464 292/854 317/2 3 322/757 RN>RN> @EEN-BY: 342/200 393/68 396/45 633/0 267 280 281 412 509 712/132 620 RN>RN> @EEN-BY: 712/848 770/0 1 100 340 772/0 1 500 3828/7
@ATH: 3828/7 229/426 393/68 770/1 712/848 633/280 229/426 3828/7

People using crappy software? That's more and more the case these days ...

And hard-coded seen-by stripping of course in some cases ...

\%/@rd

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Hi Roger,

On 2018-11-25 03:10:00, you wrote to All:

@ATH: 3828/7 229/426 393/68 770/1 712/848 633/280 229/426 3828/7

Besides the seen-by stripping... The fact that it passes 229/426 twice without being detected as a dupe the second time.

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 25 Nov 18 12:53:53, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Roger Nelson:

@ATH: 3828/7 229/426 393/68 770/1 712/848 633/280 229/426 3828/7

Besides the seen-by stripping... The fact that it passes 229/426 twice with being detected as a dupe the second time.

Instead of pondering out-loud about my system, why not address this with me via Netmail?

Nick

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People using crappy software? That's more and more the case these days
...

And hard-coded seen-by stripping of course in some cases ...

I suspect a certain BBS program, but I have no proof. It apparently is easy to
misconfigure.


Regards,

Roger

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On 2018-11-25 03:10:00, you wrote to All:

@ATH: 3828/7 229/426 393/68 770/1 712/848 633/280 229/426 3828/7

Besides the seen-by stripping... The fact that it passes 229/426 twice without being detected as a dupe the second time.

There is a good reason for that, but if you're trying to trash D'Bridge publicly, you did a good job, which says a lot about you.


Roger

Bye, Wilfred.

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--- D'Bridge (SR39)
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Hi Roger,

On 2018-11-26 04:21:18, you wrote to me:

There is a good reason for that, but if you're trying to trash
D'Bridge publicly, you did a good job, which says a lot about you.

You asked the open question, I wrote what I noticed, and didn't even mention d'Bridge.

And Ward was quick with his trashing of other software: "People using crappy software? That's more and more the case these days" ?

There's probably a good reason for that too...

On the path you showed, there is a fastecho system on a Zone border, which has hardcoded seen-by stripping. That's been known for ages, and nothing to worry about. Dupe detection takes care of it most of the time.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred,

On the path you showed, there is a fastecho system on a Zone border,
which has hardcoded seen-by stripping. That's been known for ages, and nothing to worry about. Dupe detection takes care of it most of the time.

Am I mistaken or are you the support-person for Fastecho ?

I could be wrong, I've got other issues elsewhere which need my attention ...

\%/@rd

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Hi Roger,

On 2018-11-26 04:21:18, you wrote to me:

There is a good reason for that, but if you're trying to trash
D'Bridge publicly, you did a good job, which says a lot about you.

You asked the open question, I wrote what I noticed, and didn't even mention d'Bridge.

A man on a flying horse could read the path line. But you had to point out 229/426 as if it was his fault without mentioning all the other stops in-between.

And Ward was quick with his trashing of other software: "People using crappy software? That's more and more the case these days" ?

Ward has been at this slightly longer than I have, and like me, he calls it like he sees it. It's nothing personal.

There's probably a good reason for that too...

What do you mean?

On the path you showed, there is a fastecho system on a Zone border,
which has hardcoded seen-by stripping. That's been known for ages, and nothing to worry about. Dupe detection takes care of it most of the time.

Well then, you know more than I do because I have no idea what most others in the path are using. However, I an interested to know how you know.


Roger

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Hi Roger,

On 2018-11-27 15:59:45, you wrote to me:

You asked the open question, I wrote what I noticed, and didn't even
mention d'Bridge.

A man on a flying horse could read the path line.

There's nothing specific in there...

But you had to point out 229/426 as if it was his fault without
mentioning all the other stops in-between.

If the message was stopped there as dupe, the second time it passed there, you wouldn't have seen it...

On the path you showed, there is a fastecho system on a Zone border,
which has hardcoded seen-by stripping. That's been known for ages,
and nothing to worry about. Dupe detection takes care of it most of
the time.

Well then, you know more than I do because I have no idea what most others in the path are using. However, I an interested to know how you know.

It has been discussed more then once, in other areas, when such dupes were noticed.

Btw: Maybe we should take this to another more appropriate area, or netmail?

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 11/26/18, Wilfred van Velzen pondered and said...

On the path you showed, there is a fastecho system on a Zone border,
which has hardcoded seen-by stripping. That's been known for ages, and nothing to worry about. Dupe detection takes care of it most of the time.

Hi all. After a netmail from Nick I've opted to read the thread and join the discussion. I am running Fastecho at 3:770/1 and have been for many years. In my netmail to Nick I picked up a small entry in the docs

[snip]

When your system acts as outbound zonegate you may need to strip
all the SEEN-BY information present in your echomail for all messages
addressed out-of-zone. FastEcho is capable to do that simply by
enabling this feature (which is disabled by default). This can be done
by using the flag ZONEGATE in FEOPT. In any case FastEcho acts as an
inbound-zone-gate, which means SEEN-BYs will be stripped when
processing EchoMail coming from another zone.

[snip]

So my system may well be the culprit? But it was certainly not intentional
nor to my knowledge has even been an issue prior. I'm happy to work with
folks to try and resolve the problem.

Best, Paul

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Hi Paul,

On 2018-11-29 21:07:39, you wrote to All:

In any case FastEcho acts as an inbound-zone-gate, which means
SEEN-BYs will be stripped when processing EchoMail coming from another zone.

[snip]

So my system may well be the culprit?

Yes.

But it was certainly not intentional nor to my knowledge has even been
an issue prior.

It's not really an issue. It even creates necessary redundancy in the fidoweb! ;)

I'm happy to work with folks to try and resolve the problem.

If fastecho is still maintained, maybe inbound stripping can be made optional. Otherwise you have the choice of changing tosser. (I can recommend one ;)) ...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Paul,

So my system may well be the culprit? But it was certainly not
intentional
nor to my knowledge has even been an issue prior. I'm happy to work with folks to try and resolve the problem.

Way to go Paul. ;-)

Ever since some years ago all netnumbers in Fidonet throughout all the zones became unique seen-by stripping is "not done" anymore and definitely a nono in the Fidoweb.

If it can be disabled, then I suggest you do so and also for any other echo you are hubbing.

These circular paths have been noticed before...

\%/@rd

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On 11/29/18, Wilfred van Velzen pondered and said...

I'm happy to work with folks to try and resolve the problem.

If fastecho is still maintained, maybe inbound stripping can be made optional. Otherwise you have the choice of changing tosser. (I can recommend one ;)) ...

I should chat with you in Fmail then :)

I'm going to contact the author as a starting point to see what can be done
if anything.

Thanks for the reply.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
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On 11/29/18, Ward Dossche pondered and said...

Ever since some years ago all netnumbers in Fidonet throughout all the zones became unique seen-by stripping is "not done" anymore and
definitely a nono in the Fidoweb.

I can't be the only chap running this software then that's in the same boat? Yipes!

If it can be disabled, then I suggest you do so and also for any other echo you are hubbing.

Not sure but am contacting the author. Suggestions of other tossers to look into are welcome. We should move that to another echo I guess?

Here in NZ there are planes and they fly daily... there I'm on topic now :)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
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Here in NZ there are planes and they fly daily... there I'm on topic now
:)

At LAX-airport a while ago, I saw an Air NewZealand 777 ... it read: "The airline of Middle Earth" ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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Hi Paul,

On 2018-11-29 22:05:50, you wrote to me:

I should chat with you in Fmail then :)

I'm on several irc networks if you like to chat. ;)

I'm going to contact the author as a starting point to see what can be done if anything.

I noticed the current maintainer is still in the nodelist. But I can't remember seeing him write anywhere recently...

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 11/29/18, Ward Dossche pondered and said...

At LAX-airport a while ago, I saw an Air NewZealand 777 ... it read: "The airline of Middle Earth" ... 8-)

Yep sounds about right, Air New Zealand was right into that for quite some
time as the country piggybacked off the trilogy movies made here.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
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Hi Paul,

On 2018-11-29 22:07:54, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Ever since some years ago all netnumbers in Fidonet throughout all
the zones became unique seen-by stripping is "not done" anymore and
definitely a nono in the Fidoweb.

I can't be the only chap running this software then that's in the same boat? Yipes!

I think one of the nodes of Tommi Koivula runs or used to run fastecho, where the same problem was noticed in the past. But he might have circumvented the problem by only have it contact his Host node which runs Husky, so it no longer communicates with nodes out of zone...

Bye, Wilfred.

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I think one of the nodes of Tommi Koivula runs or used to run fastecho, where the same problem was noticed in the past. But he might have circumvented the problem by only have it contact his Host node which runs Husky, so it no longer communicates with nodes out of zone...

Tommi is not hubbing inter-zone mail on a Fastecho system ...

\%/@rd

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On 11/29/18, Paul Hayton pondered and said...

On 11/29/18, Ward Dossche pondered and said...

Ever since some years ago all netnumbers in Fidonet throughout all th zones became unique seen-by stripping is "not done" anymore and definitely a nono in the Fidoweb.
If it can be disabled, then I suggest you do so and also for any othe echo you are hubbing.

Not sure but am contacting the author. Suggestions of other tossers to look into are welcome. We should move that to another echo I guess?

In aviation news there's a potential strike on Dec 21 impacting Air NZ customers.. that keeps me 'on topic'

In other news. I contacted the FastEcho author asking if it were possible
to make a change to the hard coded zone-gate feature? He kindly replied but indicated it would be highly unlikely :(

[snip]

Thanks for the suggestion! Unfortunately I currently have no means to compile new versions ... I have a backup of the source code somewhere, but I don't
have the old compilers any more and I don't think that this old source code would happily compile using modern systems ... so it's highly unlikely that I would be able to bring out new versions, sorry!

[snip]

So I am planning now to move to another tosser. It won't happen quickly but I will try to get this done over the upcoming holiday period. I'm juggling
work, family and about 3-4 BBS related projects I'm trying to get across the line. But we'll get there ;)

Best, Paul

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A40 2018/12/11 (Windows/32)
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Hi Paul,

In other news. I contacted the FastEcho author asking if it were
possible
to make a change to the hard coded zone-gate feature? He kindly replied
but indicated it would be highly unlikely :(

It was nice of him taking the time to write. At last now we know.

Take care,

\%/@rd

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