• Re: Heathrow = Thrust Reversers deployed

    From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 06:42:42 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    How about digital equipment failure (soft or hard)? No, I'm not
    777 qualified.

    That seems a possibility although how 2 independent systems (one FADEC
    on each engine) would fail like that is seriously puzzling. Did they possibly have a recent firmware upgrade ? That's given problems in the past.

    Nope.

    Yes it has.

    Graham
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 06:43:34 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    Explainer wrote:

    Pretty obvious from the descriptions of witnesses and passengers that >> >> at least one of the engine thrust-reversers kicked in when the
    landing gear was lowered. Pilot error (like Air Canada 1970) or
    malfunction? That's the only question now.

    Pretty obvious that you're a know-nothing IDIOT.

    My money's on bird strike until any better info comes along.


    Bwawhahwhahwha!

    Better information has now come along.

    I have a six week old puppy who knows more about it than you do, fjukkwit.

    No you don't !

    Graham
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 06:45:25 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in

    The BA crew would have had to ignore EICAS to have got caught out by
    fuel starvation.

    Nope.

    Are you saying that there wouldn't have been any low qty or low fuel pressure EICAS alerts prior to fuel starvation / exhaustion ?

    Not neccesarily.

    Define 'necessarily'.

    And fix your spelling checker whilst you're at it.

    Graham
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 06:46:16 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    Are you saying that the FQIS in the Gimli Glider WAS properly
    operative ?

    Nope,

    So you're AGREEING with me.

    Graham
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 06:51:39 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47919C16.9ED17872@hotmail.com:



    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    Explainer wrote:

    Pretty obvious from the descriptions of witnesses and
    passengers that at least one of the engine thrust-reversers
    kicked in when the landing gear was lowered. Pilot error (like
    Air Canada 1970) or malfunction? That's the only question now.

    Pretty obvious that you're a know-nothing IDIOT.

    My money's on bird strike until any better info comes along.


    Bwawhahwhahwha!

    Better information has now come along.

    I have a six week old puppy who knows more about it than you do,
    fjukkwit.

    No you don't !


    Yes, I do, you have a lot of half assed info that is even less accurate
    than that crap that the paedo-channel puts out.

    Bertie
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 06:53:29 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47919CB8.83597C94@hotmail.com:



    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    Are you saying that the FQIS in the Gimli Glider WAS properly
    operative ?

    Nope,

    So you're AGREEING with me.

    Graham



    Nope

    Bertie
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  • From Ron Garret@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Fri Jan 18 23:17:54 2008
    In article <Xns9A2A45CCEC5C7pissupropeeh@207.14.116.130>,
    Bertie the Bunyip <Sn@rt.1> wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47919CB8.83597C94@hotmail.com:



    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    Are you saying that the FQIS in the Gimli Glider WAS properly
    operative ?

    Nope,

    So you're AGREEING with me.

    Graham



    Nope

    Graham,

    You have to realize that Bertie is not a real person. He's actually a
    'bot that automatically replies with "nope" to every post on any aviation-related newsgroup.

    rg
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 07:21:26 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    How about digital equipment failure (soft or hard)? No, I'm not
    777 qualified.

    That seems a possibility although how 2 independent systems (one FADEC >> > on each engine) would fail like that is seriously puzzling. Did they
    possibly have a recent firmware upgrade ? That's given problems in the >> > past.

    Nope.

    Yes it has.

    Where's my money

    Where are your answers ?

    Graham
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 07:31:48 2008


    Ron Garret wrote:

    Bertie the Bunyip <Sn@rt.1> wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    Are you saying that the FQIS in the Gimli Glider WAS properly
    operative ?

    Nope,

    So you're AGREEING with me.

    Graham


    Nope

    Graham,

    You have to realize that Bertie is not a real person. He's actually a
    'bot that automatically replies with "nope" to every post on any aviation-related newsgroup.

    Fear not. I'm very familiar with Bertie.

    We actually used to get on OK until he found out I'd been getting members
    of "the meow" TOSsed by their ISPs or news providers because they'd been disrupting other groups where I posted. They are trolling friends of his,
    or more accurately WERE since they subsequently seem to have died a death thankfully.

    Bertie's reactions to me subsequently are merely spiteful bile.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meow_Wars

    Graham
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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 04:39:42 2008
    Eeyore wrote:

    We actually used to get on OK until he found out I'd been getting members
    of "the meow" TOSsed by their ISPs or news providers because they'd been disrupting other groups where I posted. They are trolling friends of his,
    or more accurately WERE since they subsequently seem to have died a death thankfully.

    Bertie's reactions to me subsequently are merely spiteful bile.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meow_Wars

    Graham

    Grahm,

    What about Bertie's posting on the hydrolics that made sense? I don't
    believe he's a BOT.

    Allen
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 14:23:29 2008
    Ron Garret <rNOSPAMon@flownet.com> wrote in news:rNOSPAMon- B68AD8.23175318012008@news.gha.chartermi.net:

    In article <Xns9A2A45CCEC5C7pissupropeeh@207.14.116.130>,
    Bertie the Bunyip <Sn@rt.1> wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
    news:47919CB8.83597C94@hotmail.com:



    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    Are you saying that the FQIS in the Gimli Glider WAS properly
    operative ?

    Nope,

    So you're AGREEING with me.

    Graham



    Nope

    Graham,

    You have to realize that Bertie is not a real person. He's actually a
    'bot that automatically replies with "nope" to every post on any aviation-related newsgroup.

    rg

    Nope


    Bertie

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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 18:39:17 2008


    Allen Prunty wrote:

    Eeyore wrote:

    We actually used to get on OK until he found out I'd been getting members of "the meow" TOSsed by their ISPs or news providers because they'd been disrupting other groups where I posted. They are trolling friends of his, or more accurately WERE since they subsequently seem to have died a death thankfully.

    Bertie's reactions to me subsequently are merely spiteful bile.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meow_Wars

    Graham

    Grahm,

    What about Bertie's posting on the hydrolics that made sense? I don't believe he's a BOT.

    Allen

    No he's not a BOT at all. I think that idea was a joke on Ron's part. At times he might as well be one.

    Graham
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 18:40:34 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    Bertie's reactions to me subsequently are merely spiteful bile.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meow_Wars

    Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahw!

    You can't stop the meow army, fjukkwit.

    Fluffy's DEAD you MORON.

    Graham
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  • From George@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation, rec.aviatio on Sat Jan 19 11:22:15 2008
    On Jan 19, 10:39 pm, Allen Prunty <nos...@alprunty.com> wrote:

    What about Bertie's posting on the hydrolics that made sense? I don't believe he's a BOT.

    He's not a bot.
    From my knowledge and experience he knows what he's posting about and
    doesn't suffer fools in any way or manner.

    The best advice you can get now is wait for the Accident report
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 20:19:26 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Clark <ch2@uswest.net> wrote
    George <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote
    Allen Prunty <nos...@alprunty.com> wrote:

    What about Bertie's posting on the hydrolics that made sense? I
    don't believe he's a BOT.

    He's not a bot.
    From my knowledge and experience he knows what he's posting about and
    doesn't suffer fools in any way or manner.

    Except the fool that types on Bertie's keyboard...

    Wasn't given a choice there. We have a treaty

    alt.usenet kooks removed.

    Graham
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sat Jan 19 20:22:54 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47925B4E.DC16BED0@hotmail.com:



    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Clark <ch2@uswest.net> wrote
    George <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote
    Allen Prunty <nos...@alprunty.com> wrote:

    What about Bertie's posting on the hydrolics that made sense? I
    don't believe he's a BOT.

    He's not a bot.
    From my knowledge and experience he knows what he's posting about and
    doesn't suffer fools in any way or manner.

    Except the fool that types on Bertie's keyboard...

    Wasn't given a choice there. We have a treaty

    alt.usenet kooks removed.

    Graham



    Waht a fjukkwit you are,. this never ends well for you wannabe boi.


    Bertie
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 21:09:57 2008


    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    How about digital equipment failure (soft or hard)? No, I'm not
    777 qualified.

    That seems a possibility although how 2 independent systems (one FADEC >> > on each engine) would fail like that is seriously puzzling. Did they
    possibly have a recent firmware upgrade ? That's given problems in the >> > past.

    Nope.

    Yes it has.


    Nope.

    This PROVES you WRONG !

    "We have received a report of two occurrences of engine thrust rollback (reduction) during takeoff on Boeing Model 777-300ER series airplanes powered by GE Model GE90-115B engines.

    Investigation indicates that these events are the results of a software algorithm in the FADEC that was introduced in software version A.0.4.5 (GE90-100 Service Bulletin 73.0021). "

    http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/07577b0b9213888985256930005117ca/0dd44fe2beb1f516862571f9006b5dad!OpenDocument

    Graham
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 21:10:26 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47926725.83CF71C6@hotmail.com:



    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

    How about digital equipment failure (soft or hard)? No, I'm
    not 777 qualified.

    That seems a possibility although how 2 independent systems (one
    FADEC on each engine) would fail like that is seriously
    puzzling. Did they possibly have a recent firmware upgrade ?
    That's given problems in the past.

    Nope.

    Yes it has.


    Nope.

    This PROVES you WRONG !

    "We have received a report of two occurrences of engine thrust
    rollback (reduction) during takeoff on Boeing Model 777-300ER series airplanes powered by GE Model GE90-115B engines.

    Investigation indicates that these events are the results of a
    software algorithm in the FADEC that was introduced in software
    version A.0.4.5 (GE90-100 Service Bulletin 73.0021). "

    http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/075
    7
    7b0b9213888985256930005117ca/0dd44fe2beb1f516862571f9006b5dad!
    OpenDocum
    ent



    Nope, it doesn't.

    Wannabe boi.


    Bertie
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  • From Mxsmanic@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sun Jan 20 00:26:37 2008
    Eeyore writes:

    This PROVES you WRONG !

    "We have received a report of two occurrences of engine thrust rollback (reduction) during takeoff on Boeing Model 777-300ER series airplanes powered by GE Model GE90-115B engines.

    Investigation indicates that these events are the results of a software algorithm in the FADEC that was introduced in software version A.0.4.5 (GE90-100 Service Bulletin 73.0021). "

    I thought the BA 777 had Rolls-Royce engines.
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 23:30:27 2008
    Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in news:ko15p3tbebaofhhda02kuu2ac9du9ialu4@4ax.com:

    Eeyore writes:

    This PROVES you WRONG !

    "We have received a report of two occurrences of engine thrust
    rollback (reduction) during takeoff on Boeing Model 777-300ER series
    airplanes powered by GE Model GE90-115B engines.

    Investigation indicates that these events are the results of a
    software algorithm in the FADEC that was introduced in software
    version A.0.4.5 (GE90-100 Service Bulletin 73.0021). "

    I thought the BA 777 had Rolls-Royce engines.


    What does your's have? radio shack speakers?


    Bertie
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  • From Eeyore@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 23:39:28 2008


    Mxsmanic wrote:

    Eeyore writes:

    This PROVES you WRONG !

    "We have received a report of two occurrences of engine thrust rollback (reduction) during takeoff on Boeing Model 777-300ER series airplanes powered
    by GE Model GE90-115B engines.

    Investigation indicates that these events are the results of a software algorithm in the FADEC that was introduced in software version A.0.4.5 (GE90-100 Service Bulletin 73.0021). "

    I thought the BA 777 had Rolls-Royce engines.

    It does. But both the relevant RR and GE engines use FADEC which requires software.
    Neither engine has a mechanical throttle. It's controlled ENTIRELY by electronics.

    My comment doesn't relate to who made the rotating machinery, but the opportunity
    for a software induced failure.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FADEC

    Graham
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sat Jan 19 23:42:39 2008
    Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in news:47928A30.E48F350D@hotmail.com:



    Mxsmanic wrote:

    Eeyore writes:

    This PROVES you WRONG !

    "We have received a report of two occurrences of engine thrust
    rollback (reduction) during takeoff on Boeing Model 777-300ER
    series airplanes powered by GE Model GE90-115B engines.

    Investigation indicates that these events are the results of a
    software algorithm in the FADEC that was introduced in software
    version A.0.4.5 (GE90-100 Service Bulletin 73.0021). "

    I thought the BA 777 had Rolls-Royce engines.

    It does. But both the relevant RR and GE engines use FADEC which
    requires software. Neither engine has a mechanical throttle. It's
    controlled ENTIRELY by electronics.

    My comment doesn't relate to who made the rotating machinery, but the opportunity for a software induced failure.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FADEC



    Wow, a clueless-clueless connection. These are always entertaining!

    Bertie



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  • From Mxsmanic@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sun Jan 20 03:34:05 2008
    Eeyore writes:

    It does. But both the relevant RR and GE engines use FADEC which requires software.
    Neither engine has a mechanical throttle. It's controlled ENTIRELY by electronics.

    Is the FADEC part of the engine or a separate box in the cockpit or elsewhere (like an autopilot)?

    Boeing never should have made the Airbus mistake.
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  • From Guybrush Threepwood@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sun Jan 20 10:59:14 2008
    Mxsmanic wrote:
    Eeyore writes:

    It does. But both the relevant RR and GE engines use FADEC which
    requires software. Neither engine has a mechanical throttle. It's
    controlled ENTIRELY by electronics.

    Is the FADEC part of the engine or a separate box in the cockpit or
    elsewhere (like an autopilot)?

    Boeing never should have made the Airbus mistake.

    Please remark that the so called "FADEC" is part of the engine and is mounted on the engine normally. It does not belong to the
    aircraft manufacturer. There are other computers in the aircraft side to calculate the inputs to the FADEC. These computers
    calculate the thrust demand and are giving this to the engine's FADEC.

    Hope this helps.

    --

    Gru. Guybrush

    Mails landen im M.lleimer!<
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sun Jan 20 10:01:40 2008
    "Guybrush Threepwood" <madflyer01@yahoo.de> wrote in news:47931b71$0$21144$7a628cd7@news.club-internet.fr:

    Mxsmanic wrote:
    Eeyore writes:

    It does. But both the relevant RR and GE engines use FADEC which
    requires software. Neither engine has a mechanical throttle. It's
    controlled ENTIRELY by electronics.

    Is the FADEC part of the engine or a separate box in the cockpit or
    elsewhere (like an autopilot)?

    Boeing never should have made the Airbus mistake.

    Please remark that the so called "FADEC" is part of the engine and is
    mounted on the engine normally. It does not belong to the aircraft manufacturer. There are other computers in the aircraft side to
    calculate the inputs to the FADEC. These computers calculate the
    thrust demand and are giving this to the engine's FADEC.

    Hope this helps.


    Got Grog?


    Bertie
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  • From Mxsmanic@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Sun Jan 20 15:49:48 2008
    Eeyore writes:

    Why just Boeing ?

    Airbus made the FBW mistake almost from the beginning, years before Boeing.

    They're not.

    So, how many times have all mechanical throttle linkages broken on an
    airliner?
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sun Jan 20 15:50:01 2008
    Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in news:kqn6p3deh7mjmejc6eu8o610ogcqscdhnm@4ax.com:

    Eeyore writes:

    Why just Boeing ?

    Airbus made the FBW mistake almost from the beginning, years before
    Boeing.

    They're not.

    So, how many times have all mechanical throttle linkages broken on an airliner?



    Several, moron.

    In fact, I've had a double throttle jam!





    Bertie
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  • From Chris Rowland@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sun Jan 20 11:39:26 2008
    Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

    Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in news:kqn6p3deh7mjmejc6eu8o610ogcqscdhnm@4ax.com:

    Eeyore writes:

    Why just Boeing ?

    Airbus made the FBW mistake almost from the beginning, years before
    Boeing.

    They're not.

    So, how many times have all mechanical throttle linkages broken on an airliner?


    Plenty, fjukkwit. I've had several double throttle jams myself, moron.

    Of course you have, flying your rubber band airplanes!

    Say fjukkwit again, we can't get enough of your nonsense! Thank goodness
    you are around to bless us.
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  • From Bertie the Bunyip@1:2320/100 to rec.aviation.piloting on Sun Jan 20 21:21:09 2008
    Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in news:q1e7p3tumm1bmrp145ceacthdjeaqvsob1@4ax.com:

    Keith Willshaw writes:

    Mechanical throttle linkages went out with the DC3, all modern
    aircraft since the 1950's have had electrical or electro-mechanical
    control systems.

    How often have those completely failed?

    While not used on commercial aircraft they have indeed caused
    failures on GA aircraft ...

    GA aircraft are a different world.



    No they aren't.


    Bertie
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  • From Mxsmanic@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Mon Jan 21 02:44:42 2008
    Eeyore writes:

    Have you ever driven a car whose accelerator, clutch or handbrake stopped working?

    No.
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)
  • From Mxsmanic@1:2320/100 to alt.disasters.aviation,rec.aviation on Mon Jan 21 02:45:42 2008
    Eeyore writes:

    It's not a mistake, it's the reason they're jockeying with Boeing for number one supplier of airliners,

    I don't think so.
    --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32
    * Origin: Derby City BBS - Louisville, KY - Derbycitybbs.com (1:2320/100)