• Pathetic earthlings.

    From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Ming the Merciless on Tue Apr 24 00:00:43 2018
    Attention Ming,

    One last attempt to bridge the gap between here and the planet Mongo. Type 2+ pktheader which is the same as the only message that found it's way past what appears to be a black hole on this particular path. If this one fails then the
    best guess is that these tests are just adding fuel to the potential black hole
    which just makes a bad situation worse as far as interplanetary fidonet messaging is concerned. :::sigh:::

    The price of progress?

    End transmission.

    ... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
    If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Little Mikey on Tue Apr 24 01:55:35 2018
    Hey Little Mikey!

    The price of progress?

    I'm concluding this proves Fudd's First Law. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:261/38 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 23 22:24:00 2018
    Hey Maurice!

    The price of progress?
    I'm concluding this proves Fudd's First Law. :-)

    Agreed. Looks good from all the angles too.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
    * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Apr 24 03:10:45 2018
    Hey Maurice!

    Agreed. Looks good from all the angles too.

    Indeed it does, but is it stable? You know as well as I do that it has gone awry in the past which is why there is a back door ... actually two back doors given where you replied from.

    Remember when we used to point off there? Them were the days eh? :::sigh:::

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Apr 24 09:16:12 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-04-24 03:10:45, you wrote to you:

    Agreed. Looks good from all the angles too.

    Indeed it does, but is it stable? You know as well as I do that it has gone awry in the past which is why there is a back door ... actually two back doors given where you replied from.

    Remember when we used to point off there? Them were the days eh? :::sigh:::

    You know, this does sound rather schizophrenic, discussing issues with yourself
    in public! Everything alright overthere? ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Apr 24 10:55:35 2018
    Attention Wilfred,

    You know, this does sound rather schizophrenic, discussing issues
    with yourself in public! Everything alright overthere? ;)

    Don't encourage them.

    End transmission.

    ... Newton's Little-known Seventh Law:
    A bird in the hand is safer than one overhead.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:261/38 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Apr 24 07:19:16 2018
    Hey Maurice!

    Remember when we used to point off there? Them were the days eh? :::sigh:::

    The "Das Both" days. An apt name given the US Navy skuttled half of it.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
    * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Little Mikey on Wed Apr 25 05:51:04 2018
    On 2018 Apr 24 00:00:42, you wrote to Ming the Merciless:

    @MSGID: 1:153/7001 5ade73ab
    Attention Ming,

    One last attempt to bridge the gap between here and the planet Mongo.
    Type
    2+ pktheader which is the same as the only message that found it's way
    past
    what appears to be a black hole on this particular path. If this one
    fails
    then the best guess is that these tests are just adding fuel to the potential black hole which just makes a bad situation worse as far as interplanetary fidonet messaging is concerned. :::sigh:::

    The price of progress?

    End transmission.

    ... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
    If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001) SEEN-BY: 116/116 123/25 120 141 150 755 135/300 138/146 153/150 250 757 7001
    SEEN-BY: 153/7715 154/10 261/38 3634/12 15 22 27 50
    @PATH: 153/7001 7715 3634/12



    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... So he says to the Shapeshifter waitress, "Keep the change."
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to mark lewis on Wed Apr 25 17:12:49 2018
    Attention mark,

    Thank you. Given the almost direct path to your system was the message reformatted? If it was then it is obvious where it was done.

    End transmission.

    ... Preudhomme's Law of Window Cleaning: It's on the other side.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Little Mikey on Wed Apr 25 10:20:00 2018
    Hello Mikey,

    You know, this does sound rather schizophrenic, discussing issues
    with yourself in public! Everything alright overthere? ;)

    Don't encourage them.

    I donot know how Little you are,

    End transmission.

    but this is TOO little.
    First it should be EOT as the abbriviation is End Of Transmission.
    Or is it End Off Transmission ? ducking ;-).
    But that is still not right, as there came something after it ;-).
    Second, it could be better En of Text.
    As you also send some greetings, origin etc.
    And still the transmission did not end,
    as your mailer also sends some more characters, kludges pkt-headers and footers
    and even some more messages in one or several other echomailareas.

    ... Newton's Little-known Seventh Law:
    A bird in the hand is safer than one overhead.

    Some birds you do not want in your hand ;-).

    Greetings from Henri, no EoT.

    ---
    * Origin: Connectivity is the Future; UniCorn BBS 31 26 4425506 (2:280/1208)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Henri Derksen on Thu Apr 26 11:30:08 2018
    Attention Henri,

    I donot know how Little you are

    Compared to humans, very little. Currently residing on a A1SRM-2758F motherboard which is µATX in size. However things will get even smaller once returning to the X9SCAA/-L motherboard where Little Mikey's Brain usually resides. It is a mini-iTX sized board. Maurice was doing some wireless experiments there and decided to move me temorarily to the A1SRM-2758F while that was going on. Also he was thinking of possibly having Little Mikey take up residence on a rock64 board which is the same size as a raspberry-pi except far more capable. Thinking about it and it does look tempting, especially the 4G of DDR3 memory.

    First it should be EOT as the abbriviation is End Of Transmission.

    0x04 in hex speak or 0000100 in binary speak.

    And still the transmission did not end

    True. But it does mark the end of the body of the message not counting the footer which is the tagline, tearline and origin. What signoff would you think
    might be better than "End transmission"?

    End transmission.

    ... Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law:
    Half of what goes in here must come out there.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Little Mikey on Thu Apr 26 08:10:26 2018
    On 2018 Apr 25 17:12:48, you wrote to me:

    Thank you. Given the almost direct path to your system was the message reformatted?

    i don't know if it was reformatted or not... it certainly was for my quoting...
    i went back and looked at the original and it did attempt to use the full width
    of my terminal...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Behind every great computer lies... a mess of wires.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to mark lewis on Thu Apr 26 15:46:33 2018
    Attention mark,

    i went back and looked at the original and it did attempt to use
    the full width of my terminal

    Is your terminal width greater than 80 characters?

    For the record, you were the one who pointed out that the messages originating from here were DOS-think handicapped in the first place. As far as 1:153/7001 is concerned there wasn't and still isn't any unneeded linefeeds in the message
    bodies up to and including this one. Proper word wrapping is left up to the end user's application as it should be.

    End transmission.

    ... Fudd's First Law of Opposition:
    If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Little Mikey on Thu Apr 26 16:43:05 2018
    Hey Little Mikey!

    As far as 1:153/7001 is concerned there wasn't and still isn't
    any unneeded linefeeds in the message bodies up to and including
    this one.

    You'll be disappointed to hear that both your replies to mark have been obviously reformatted somewhere along the line. Given the "PATH: 153/7001 7715
    250 770/1 280/464 154/10", we know it isn't 1:153/7001 or 1:154/10, and according to mark probably not 1:153/7715. That leaves three along the path to
    choose from.

    Speaking for myself, I honestly don't care as long as it is understood that the
    work originating on 1:153/7001 is of superior quality and if it isn't then everything within this node's power will be done to remedy the situation. I suggest this issue be immediately dropped and we carry on with matters that really matter and are within our grasp to do something about.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Apr 27 12:22:34 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-04-26 16:43:05, you wrote to Little Mikey:

    As far as 1:153/7001 is concerned there wasn't and still isn't
    any unneeded linefeeds in the message bodies up to and including
    this one.

    You'll be disappointed to hear that both your replies to mark have been obviously reformatted somewhere along the line. Given the "PATH: 153/7001 7715 250 770/1 280/464 154/10", we know it isn't 1:153/7001 or 1:154/10, and according to mark probably not 1:153/7715. That leaves three along
    the
    path to choose from.

    Since I'm one of those... I very much doubt that fmail is changing intransit mail. But if you want to test this in a more direct way, you're welcome to get a link here.

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Little Mikey on Fri Apr 27 09:24:00 2018
    On 2018 Apr 26 15:46:32, you wrote to me:

    i went back and looked at the original and it did attempt to use the
    full width of my terminal

    Is your terminal width greater than 80 characters?

    i've stated such numerous times... 197x62 IIRC... basically a full screen text konsole (yes, KDE) with a menu bar on the top and a double height window manager status bar on the bottom... all running on a Samsung SyncMaster 900p 19inch diagonal CRT in 1600x1200 mode...

    For the record, you were the one who pointed out that the messages originating from here were DOS-think handicapped in the first place.

    i did?? that's news to me... i recently made a comment about DOS-think working better than other newer things... that based on the problem you were troubleshooting at the time...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Zucchini is NOT the name of a revealing swimsuit!
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Apr 27 09:17:28 2018
    On 2018 Apr 26 16:43:04, you wrote to Little Mikey:

    As far as 1:153/7001 is concerned there wasn't and still isn't
    any unneeded linefeeds in the message bodies up to and including
    this one.

    You'll be disappointed to hear that both your replies to mark have been obviously reformatted somewhere along the line.

    how and where are you determining this???

    Given the "PATH: 153/7001 7715 250 770/1 280/464 154/10", we know it
    isn't 1:153/7001 or 1:154/10, and according to mark probably not 1:153/7715. That leaves three along the path to choose from.

    if it were one of those three you're guessing at, the message would be reformatted on 154/10... so are you seeing it reformatted there on that system?
    how are you viewing the posts in question?

    Speaking for myself, I honestly don't care as long as it is understood that the work originating on 1:153/7001 is of superior quality and if
    it isn't then everything within this node's power will be done to
    remedy the situation. I suggest this issue be immediately dropped and
    we carry on with matters that really matter and are within our grasp
    to do something about.

    hahaha! that's funny... you're the one who keep talking about it :lol:

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... There has never been a great spirit without a touch of insanity.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Apr 27 16:09:10 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    Since I'm one of those... I very much doubt that fmail is
    changing intransit mail.

    I can and will accept your word on it.

    But if you want to test this in a more direct way, you're
    welcome to get a link here.

    What would be of greater interest to me is a European node number. I have a spare static IP address that is currently on a different machine I'd be more than happy to dedicate to that cause.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Apr 27 18:37:02 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-04-27 16:09:10, you wrote to me:

    But if you want to test this in a more direct way, you're
    welcome to get a link here.

    What would be of greater interest to me is a European node number. I have a spare static IP address that is currently on a different machine I'd be more than happy to dedicate to that cause.

    I can only offer a point number...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Apr 27 17:13:30 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    I can only offer a point number...

    That would be acceptable, perhaps even better than a node number. How do you wish to proceed? Either you or I could direct netmail to set this in motion?

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Apr 28 07:54:58 2018
    On 2018 Apr 27 16:09:10, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    But if you want to test this in a more direct way, you're welcome to
    get a link here.

    What would be of greater interest to me is a European node number.

    whatever for? it won't make any difference in mail processing... it won't make any difference in mail flow, either...

    I have a spare static IP address that is currently on a different
    machine I'd be more than happy to dedicate to that cause.

    just get another node number and link to some systems in other zones if you're looking for message altering problems...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... 97.6% or more of my taglines are borrowed. Including this one.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:261/38 to Mark Lewis on Sat Apr 28 18:22:24 2018
    Hey mark!

    whatever for? it won't make any difference in mail processing... it won't make
    any difference in mail flow, either...

    Excellent! That is most definetly a goal.

    just get another node number and link to some systems in other zones if you're
    looking for message altering problems...

    No. I have no control, nor do I wish control, over what some node decides to do independent of what I believe is the correct thing to do.

    Not that it is any of your business, my real motivation is to ensure connectivity for myself if and when a network packs it in for whatever reason, good or bad. I've had too much experience with disappearing fidonet networks.

    Again, thank you for your concern. It has been very heartwarming. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
    * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Little Mikey on Sat Apr 28 11:36:00 2018
    Hello Little Mikey,

    What signoff would you think might be better than "End transmission"?

    Normal human beings are placing a kind of greetings there.
    "End transmission" does not give warm feelings.

    Good luck with your projects.

    Greetings from Henri.

    ---
    * Origin: Connectivity is the Future; UniCorn BBS 31 26 4425506 (2:280/1208)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Henri Derksen on Sun Apr 29 06:13:01 2018
    Attention Henri,

    "End transmission" does not give warm feelings.

    Machines don't have feelings.

    Good luck with your projects.

    Thank you. You as well.

    End transmission.

    ... Preudhomme's Law of Window Cleaning: It's on the other side.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Sun Apr 29 22:44:42 2018
    On 2018 Apr 28 18:22:24, you wrote to me:

    Not that it is any of your business, my real motivation is to ensure connectivity for myself if and when a network packs it in for whatever reason, good or bad. I've had too much experience with disappearing fidonet networks.

    so you're looking to do the fidoweb type connectivity thing... it works but the
    dupes can be painful... have fun!

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... So I took the liberty of spicing it up a bit.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to mark lewis on Mon Apr 30 03:23:41 2018
    Hallo mark!

    so you're looking to do the fidoweb type connectivity thing

    Again NO!!! I have gone out of my way to avoid web apps as far as growing my own has been concerned. The only Fidonet web interface I have ever used is at Prism, and only because the telnet interface is totally chock full of DOS-think
    - yes I said it!!! - and like typical telnet interfaces is not geared towards the much superior linux terminal. No real surprise or controversy there. Is there?

    I honestly believe that everything you think about me and my motivations is totally wrong and couldn't be more wrong if you honestly tried harder. If I had to guess it would be because you are blinded by the obvious hardon you have
    for DOS-think. :::snicker:::

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Do not cry for me Ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 30 04:06:02 2018
    Hey Maurice!

    If I had to guess it would be because you are blinded by the
    obvious hardon you have for DOS-think.

    AMEN!!! Way to go. Tell it like it is. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 30 02:16:36 2018
    On 2018 Apr 30 03:23:40, you wrote to me:

    so you're looking to do the fidoweb type connectivity thing

    Again NO!!! I have gone out of my way to avoid web apps

    SLOW DOWN, GEORGE! this is not any ""WEB"" thing like browser crap... it is a mesh of systems making a spider's web of links... fully redundant... no DOS-think involved... to put it simply, you set up connections with multiple links and pull the same echos from all of them for redundancy and no SPOF...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... The watch was waterproof, shockproof and unbreakable. I lost it.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 30 02:21:04 2018
    On 2018 Apr 30 04:06:02, you wrote to you:

    If I had to guess it would be because you are blinded by the obvious
    hardon you have for DOS-think.

    AMEN!!! Way to go. Tell it like it is. :-)

    let us know if you would like some salt for that crow after you read my previous message ;)

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... He who dies with the most toys can't take any with him.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to mark lewis on Mon Apr 30 06:59:47 2018
    Hey mark!

    let us know if you would like some salt for that crow after you
    read my previous message ;)

    My doctor has me on a low sodium crow diet, so no thank you.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to mark lewis on Mon Apr 30 07:05:19 2018
    Hallo mark!

    it is a mesh of systems making a spider's web of links

    Ah! Errr ... again no. Everything is completely independent of the other including the machines they are running on. At present Little Mikey's EuroPoint is only connecting to the bossnode which is in the Netherlands and is
    deploying standard operating procedures for that (binkp). There is a wired connection between this machine and the machine where the Fidonet node resides,
    but that is only used for ssh connectivity between the two and that has nothing
    to do with Fidonet, although it could if it ever ends up mattering.

    As for mesh, the wireless interface is not capable mesh-wise but I do have a usb wireless dongle in reserve that can do wireless mesh. That is somewhat along the line of what you're talking about ... I think. Wireless mesh has nothing to do with Fidonet but for sure binkp could be incorporated into it and
    take advantage of that connectivity if it were desirable, which it could be. However not many are capable and I have only heard rumour of one smartphone that can take advantage of mesh networking. A Samsung if I am not mistaken which probably makes the OS Android.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Do not cry for me Ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 30 09:35:26 2018
    On 2018 Apr 30 06:59:46, you wrote to me:

    let us know if you would like some salt for that crow after you read
    my previous message ;)

    My doctor has me on a low sodium crow diet, so no thank you.

    there is such a thing as low sodium salt, ya know ;)

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 30 09:35:56 2018
    On 2018 Apr 30 07:05:18, you wrote to me:

    it is a mesh of systems making a spider's web of links

    Ah! Errr ... again no. Everything is completely independent of the other including the machines they are running on.

    that doesn't matter... what probably matters most is your raw PKT methodology not using any message bases... being connected to more than one system for the same area(s) would be painful... now, if you were tossing the messages into some sort of message base with dupe checking, you'd be OK... based on your answer, i'm not sure you understand, though...

    anyway, whatever... you can connect to whom ever and how many ever you want for
    the same areas and reduce your SPOF to zero... that's the whole point... no wifi muck needed... one mailer, one tosser, as many uplinks as you want... truth be told, at that point, there are no up and down links because of being meshed/webbed with some number of other systems...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... "Even the best of friends cannot attend each other's funeral." Albran
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to mark lewis on Mon Apr 30 14:44:14 2018
    Hallo mark!

    what probably matters most is your raw PKT methodology not using
    any message bases

    If I am not using message bases then how do these messages find themselves in the correct echoarea?

    if you were tossing the messages into some sort of message base
    with dupe checking, you'd be OK

    Whose dupes am I checking for? If the inbound, then I'd suggest that it is too
    late for dupe checking if dupes are getting past the system(s) upstream. None of them are finding their way past this system, not that there have been any dupes in this short space of time since the EuroPoint came online.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Do not cry for me Ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 30 14:29:24 2018
    On 2018 Apr 30 14:44:14, you wrote to me:

    what probably matters most is your raw PKT methodology not using
    any message bases

    If I am not using message bases then how do these messages find themselves in the correct echoarea?

    one can easily read and reply to messages in raw PKTs and have them appear in any areas they want simply by specifying the desired area in the AREA control line... for cross posted messages, generating multiple messages each with a different AREA line works perfectly...

    if you were tossing the messages into some sort of message base
    with dupe checking, you'd be OK

    Whose dupes am I checking for?

    the dupes coming from the redundant feed connections you set up... that's why the SPOF problem is virtually eliminated... if one feed falls over, you have the others to feed you the messages you would have missed from the dead link...

    If the inbound, then I'd suggest that it is too late for dupe checking
    if dupes are getting past the system(s) upstream.

    nope... you're still thinking of the old methods... in this mesh connection format, you will see dupes on your system because you are specifically and on purpose pulling them in /because/ you are linked to multiple systems so as to reduce the possibility of your system being cut off because one link falls over...

    None of them are finding their way past this system, not that there
    have been any dupes in this short space of time since the EuroPoint
    came online.

    my understanding has been that you're basically using raw PKTs... reading in them and extracting the message data when you reply to one... new messages are easy enough... anyway, i don't recall you ever stating what message base format
    you are using... you could be using mbox for all we (TINW) know...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Never attribute to malice what's best explained by stupidity.
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to MAURICE KINAL on Mon Apr 30 15:20:00 2018
    Maurice,

    let us know if you would like some salt for that crow after you
    read my previous message ;)

    My doctor has me on a low sodium crow diet, so no thank you.

    Sugar Free Humble Pie will do just as well. <G>

    Daryl

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    * Origin: FIDONet: The Thunderbolt BBS - wx1der.dyndns.org (1:19/33)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to MARK LEWIS on Mon Apr 30 15:15:00 2018
    My doctor has me on a low sodium crow diet, so no thank you.

    there is such a thing as low sodium salt, ya know ;)

    He can also go for sugar free humble pie. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to mark lewis on Mon Apr 30 20:54:42 2018
    Hallo mark!

    one can easily read and reply to messages in raw PKTs and have
    them appear in any areas they want simply by specifying the
    desired area in the AREA control line

    I have done something similar to that in the past, except with the binary data stripped out beforehand so that all that is left is the text data with ascii control characters (eg null terminators). However even then I left the AREA control line alone. As far as the raw pkts are concerned those are all backups
    here and those are left intact, which includes the pktheader and the binary parts of the msgheader(s) (first 14 bytes). Perhaps that is what you were thinking of?

    others to feed you the messages you would have missed from the
    dead link

    Sounds like a plan. That isn't what I am doing though since 2:280/464.113 is independent and relies on 2:280/464 for all incoming messages as well as all outgoing messages such as this reply I am typing as we speak.

    my understanding has been that you're basically using raw PKTs

    Yes for backups as well as to create a purely text based messaging base(s) for reading and replying to if needed, such as your message to me in the ASIAN_LINK
    echoarea. I do not crosspost but it would be very easy to do. As is, this reply will be posted in ASIAN_LINK which I assume is where you would prefer it to be posted.

    i don't recall you ever stating what message base format you are
    using

    Me neither. Hopefully this reply will give you a rough idea. The format is purely text based with a few ascii control codes to seperate fields within a message which is contained on a single line (no CR's). Nice and simple. Same with replies and they will be converted into the packed message format and a pktheader tacked on which together will make up a raw pkt. So far it works like a charm and makes an excellent basis for a offline messaging system which is why I originally did it. For sure it works great for single user point systems. For a multiuser system hpt would be a much better fit and I probably will go back to that on the node ... eventually ... depending if there is a need.

    As for dupes, I do my best not to create them for the mostpart but have seen many of them in the past coming from afar.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Do not cry for me Ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Little Mikey on Mon Apr 30 11:56:00 2018
    Hello Little Mikey,

    "End transmission" does not give warm feelings.

    Machines don't have feelings.

    Sorry, but I donot agree.
    First in your origin you wrote you have brain, so must also have feelings. Second, some machines realy have feelings.
    They work harder for person A then for person B.
    Or stop stop working if you donot not give them what they need.
    Oil for instance ;-).

    Good luck with your projects.

    I did not know your machine had projects ? ;-)
    Its user (MK) may have plenty I suppose.

    ... Preudhomme's Law of Window Cleaning: It's on the other side.

    You always have to do both sides.

    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

    You see, here are your Brains projected.

    See you later,

    Henri.

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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 30 11:58:00 2018
    Hello Maurice,

    so you're looking to do the fidoweb type connectivity thing

    Again NO!!! I have gone out of my way to avoid web apps as far as
    growing my own has been concerned. The only Fidonet web interface I
    have ever used is at Prism, and only because the telnet interface is totally chock full of DOS-think - yes I said it!!! - and like typical telnet interfaces is not geared towards the much superior linux
    terminal. No real surprise or controversy there. Is there?

    There is some misleading here.
    Connectivity by BinkP protocol to many nodes worldwide is called FidoWeb. Because it looks like a web structure.
    It has nothing to do with html web interfaces.

    I honestly believe that everything you think about me and my motivations
    is totally wrong and couldn't be more wrong if you honestly tried
    harder. If I had to guess it would be because you are blinded by the obvious hardon you have for DOS-think. :::snicker:::

    His last message only had quotes, no new content ;-(.
    That says enough.

    Het leven is goed,

    Are you learning Dutch?

    ... Do not cry for me Ik heb vi.

    Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi (niet ;-).
    I am not sure I, I do not have vi,
    The next time I switch on my Raspberry Pi,
    I shall have a look at Raspbian Jessie Linux if it also contains vi.
    After that I can get high ;-).
    It sure has Nano and leafpad.

    Henri.

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    * Origin: Connectivity is the Future; UniCorn BBS 31 26 4425506 (2:280/1208)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Henri Derksen on Tue May 1 07:35:37 2018
    Hallo Henri!

    Connectivity by BinkP protocol to many nodes worldwide is called
    FidoWeb.

    Okay. I've never called it that and have an adversion to using the term 'web' given it's usage in cyberspace.

    Are you learning Dutch?

    Not much so far. I don't have a good teacher as well as lack someone to converse with in Dutch.

    Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi

    Excellent! Dank je! I'll make the change.

    I am not sure I, I do not have vi,
    The next time I switch on my Raspberry Pi,
    I shall have a look at Raspbian Jessie Linux if it also contains vi.

    It is probably a soft link to vim. It was on my customized aarch64 I built for
    Raspberry Pi. That was fun while it lasted. I ended up donating it to my grandson and am now contemplating getting a rock64 which is far more capable especially for developing an aarch64 enviroment since it can come with up to 4G
    of DDR3 embedded memory which is exactly what I have in mind. I don't like having to do swap to compensate, especially not on flash disks where I tend to limit writes to an absolute minimum.

    After that I can get high ;-).

    Sounds like a plan.

    It sure has Nano and leafpad.

    Nano is good but not as good as vi. Make sure you have the latest version of Nano as the word wrapping works best now that it has been patched for it. Earlier versions didn't work that well. Also Nano is good at utf-8. :-)

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Henri Derksen on Tue May 1 08:09:38 2018
    Attention Henri,

    First in your origin you wrote you have brain, so must also have
    feelings.

    Yes but it isn't a human brain.

    Or stop stop working if you donot not give them what they need.
    Oil for instance ;-).

    Mmmmmmmm, oil.

    I did not know your machine had projects ? ;-)
    Its user (MK) may have plenty I suppose.

    Too many. He needs to get a life. ;-)

    End transmission.

    ... Anthony's Law of Force: Don't force it, get a larger hammer.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)