• same as it ever was

    From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Thu Jan 4 03:36:00 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    I trust you've not already had help finishing it off

    Just me so it all worked out as planned. :-) I don't think I'll be replacing it once it is gone as it was a tad pricey. However I did have to make up for the 2017-01-01 toast since they were out of stock of the good stuff back then and had to 'settle' for Glenfiddich.

    I think the 2018-01-01 cybertoast has been the best so far, including the inclusion of the 15yo Glenlivet. It might make it to next year (2019-01-01) but I am not betting on it.

    You did well

    You too. I feel really good about it. I am not sure how we're going to manage
    topping it. Any ideas?

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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    2019-01-01 is 362 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2497 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Jan 8 14:57:18 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 04-Jan-2018 03:36 <=-

    I trust you've not already had help finishing it off

    Just me so it all worked out as planned. :-)

    That's good... :)

    I don't think I'll be
    replacing it once it is gone as it was a tad pricey. However I did
    have to make up for the 2017-01-01 toast since they were out of stock
    of the good stuff back then and had to 'settle' for Glenfiddich.

    You might have done worse... ;) But then, of course, the 15yo
    Glenlivet was calling your name this year... ;)

    I think the 2018-01-01 cybertoast has been the best so far, including
    the inclusion of the 15yo Glenlivet. It might make it to next year (2019-01-01) but I am not betting on it.

    Just have to refrain from dipping into it in the meantime... when one
    can make it last for a couple of years, the pricey-ness becomes less of
    an issue, besides.... :)

    I feel really good about it. I am not sure how we're going
    to manage topping it. Any ideas?

    Maybe we don't need to try topping it... just maintaining the quality
    would be sufficient... ;) I much doubt I'd be ready to get ta new
    bottle by then, so I'd not be upgrading.... ;) Besides, the important
    thing is the toast... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Tue Jan 9 05:25:57 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    You might have done worse...

    You sound like my neighbour. He is always saying things like that whereas I usually say the opposite, that things can be better.

    But then, of course, the 15yo Glenlivet was calling your name
    this year

    Yes it was. However the real reason it ended up here was planning ahead and I managed to nab it way back in early September prior to "99 bottles of beer on the wall". Nothing was left to chance.

    Maybe we don't need to try topping it

    True. Also it appears we have 357 days to think about it but at this point in time I am in full agreement with your above sentiment.

    maintaining the quality would be sufficient

    I am convinced we can manage that, even without the "bottles of beer" countdown.

    the important thing is the toast... :)

    Agreed.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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    2019-01-01 is 357 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2492 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Jan 13 02:27:52 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 09-Jan-2018 05:25 <=-

    You might have done worse...

    You sound like my neighbour. He is always saying things like that
    whereas I usually say the opposite, that things can be better.

    I'll say that, too... when appropriate... ;)

    But then, of course, the 15yo Glenlivet was calling your name
    this year

    Yes it was. However the real reason it ended up here was planning
    ahead and I managed to nab it way back in early September prior to "99 bottles of beer on the wall". Nothing was left to chance.

    And likewise, I'd picked up my new bottle earlier in the year as well...
    I still have a smidge of the leftover Glenmorangie from our cooking echo picnic, so could have used that... but had planned for the Macallan.. :)

    Maybe we don't need to try topping it

    True. Also it appears we have 357 days to think about it but at this point in time I am in full agreement with your above sentiment.

    Yup, still most of the year before the next toast... ;)

    maintaining the quality would be sufficient

    I am convinced we can manage that, even without the "bottles of beer" countdown.

    Exactly.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jan 13 05:19:50 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    things can be better.

    I'll say that, too... when appropriate... ;)

    In this case I think you might be right. I've been experimenting with it and so far haven't been able to improve upon it whatsoever. The best so far has been in the order of 5-ish milliseconds. I was guesstimating that I might be able to trim it down to microseconds but so far no such luck.

    I still have a smidge of the leftover Glenmorangie

    I don't recall the last time I had any but offhand am guessing at least 25-ish years ago. Same with Oban which I spied a bottle of when purchasing the 15yo Glenlivet. That might be something worth reinvestigating on 2019-01-01 but am sure I will have to plan ahead for ... say Semptember-ish again.

    ----- "<Esc>:read !datediff '2018-09-01' '2018-01-13'" starts
    231 days
    ----- "<Esc>:read !datediff '2018-09-01' '2018-01-13'" ends

    'datediff' is a little bash script I wrote just for the occasion as a companion
    to the "bottles of beer" subject generator. It now appears to have evolved into an offline Fidonet "bottles of beer" msg generator for Little Mikey. So far it has created two test msg's posted in the TUXPOWER echo and might see some airtime here in ASIAN_LINK come 2018-09-24, just in time for the 2019-01-01 "bottles of beer" countdown ... maybe. Maybe we'll think up something better and perhaps less annoying? ;-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Future cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 353 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2488 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jan 17 01:20:12 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 13-Jan-2018 05:19 <=-

    In this case I think you might be right. I've been experimenting with
    it and so far haven't been able to improve upon it whatsoever. The
    best so far has been in the order of 5-ish milliseconds. I was guesstimating that I might be able to trim it down to microseconds but
    so far no such luck.

    I'd say you might as well quit while you are ahead... you are already
    more spot on than I'm ever likely to even approach... ;)

    I still have a smidge of the leftover Glenmorangie

    I don't recall the last time I had any but offhand am guessing at
    least 25-ish years ago.

    This was left from the tasting at the Cooking Echo... I don't think I
    ever bought any for myself... I was given some Glenfiddich once, but I
    tend to just get the Macallan and the Glenlivet for myself.. :)

    Same with Oban which I spied a bottle of when purchasing the 15yo Glenlivet. That might be something worth reinvestigating on
    2019-01-01 but am sure I will have to plan ahead for ... say
    September-ish again.

    And maybe you'll still have some of the 15yo Glenlivet left... :)

    'datediff' is a little bash script I wrote just for the occasion as a companion to the "bottles of beer" subject generator. It now appears
    to have evolved into an offline Fidonet "bottles of beer" msg
    generator for Little Mikey. So far it has created two test msg's
    posted in the TUXPOWER echo and might see some airtime here in
    ASIAN_LINK come 2018-09-24, just in time for the 2019-01-01 "bottles
    of beer" countdown ... maybe. Maybe we'll think up something better
    and perhaps less annoying? ;-)

    Perhaps... :) What is the TUXPOWER echo anyway....?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jan 17 03:44:31 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    I'd say you might as well quit while you are ahead... you are
    already more spot on than I'm ever likely to even approach...

    Ye of little faith. :::tsk, tsk:::

    Anyhow it is too late now since Little Mikey got set loose on this echo. Just earlier today I caught and fixed one obvious flaw in the latest "bottle of beer(s)" msg generator (See "No more bottles of beer on the wall." versions 7f0b96f7-b2d0-46d4-93ab-087d125baaad and the corrected version 0f51e93f-1de7-4147-8da0-a94b626f11a9).

    Speaking of UUIDs, what do you think of this latest idea for identification? Apparently there are more unique randomly generated UUIDs than there are particles in the entire universe. "Billions and billions", as Carl Sagan was fond of saying but in this case we're talking more than trillions and trillions.

    I tend to just get the Macallan and the Glenlivet for myself..

    That works for me. :-)

    And maybe you'll still have some of the 15yo Glenlivet left...

    Don't bet the farm on it. My best guess is that for 2019-01-01 I'll go with a fresh bottle, perhaps Oban, but for sure a 12yo Glenlivet. Also I noticed a "The Glenlivet Founder's Reserve Scotch Whisky" edition that caught my eye back
    in September. It was priced about 5 dollars less than the 12yo. Not a big saving but perhaps worthy of purchase for comparing and contrasting purposes. Then again I might break down and buy the more expensive Oban as I do recall that one being very tasty way back when. Also I might totally break with tradition and try one of the single malts from the Glenora Distillery. For some strange reason the "Glen Breton 15 Year Old - Battle of the Glen" calls out to me but is a tad pricey, even moreso than the 15yo Glenlivet.

    We'll see I am sure.

    What is the TUXPOWER echo anyway....?

    Another dead Fidonet echo. 'Tux' is the name of the Linux penguin (logo).

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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    2019-01-01 is 349 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2484 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jan 17 09:07:07 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-01-17 03:44:31, you wrote to Nancy Backus:

    Don't bet the farm on it. My best guess is that for 2019-01-01 I'll
    go with a fresh bottle, perhaps Oban, but for sure a 12yo Glenlivet.
    Also I noticed a "The Glenlivet Founder's Reserve Scotch Whisky"
    edition that caught my eye back in September. It was priced about 5 dollars less than the 12yo. Not a big saving but perhaps worthy of purchase for comparing and contrasting purposes.

    I've tasted the Founder's Reserve, but didn't find it remarkable compared to the 12yo. But I guess it was ok for its price... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Jan 17 12:45:38 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    I've tasted the Founder's Reserve, but didn't find it
    remarkable compared to the 12yo.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    But I guess it was ok for its price... ;)

    Five dollars savings isn't that much difference. Knowing that the 12yo is my usual choice all things considered I'd be inclined to stick with it. If all I am looking for is to save money then Irish whisky is the way to go, such as Bushmills which I found to be very enjoyable.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jan 17 14:16:53 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-01-17 12:45:38, you wrote to me:

    If all I am looking for is to save money then Irish whisky is the way
    to go, such as Bushmills which I found to be very enjoyable.

    It's more then a decade ago when I tasted Bushmills, so I don't remember it to well... But Irish whisky's have their own specific tastes, which you can't compare too well with the Scotisch single malts I think.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Jan 17 13:30:49 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    Irish whisky's have their own specific tastes, which you can't
    compare too well with the Scotisch single malts I think.

    True. However I still like Irish whisky albiet not as much as single malt scotch. I don't drink all that often so cost isn't as big as a factor as it would be if I did drink more often, and given that I'd probably buy more Irish whisky ... or perhaps even Canadian whisky.

    Speaking of Canadian whisky, especially aged single malts, the 15yo "Battle of the Glen" has my interest which happens to be more expensive then comparable Scottish single malts. Given the claim that they were the first North American
    distillers of single malt whisky, they just might be worth the additional cost.
    After all being located in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia which is probably the most
    Scottish locale outside of Scotland they could have what it takes to make a winner. The biggest problem is that they are located on the opposite side of North America and it is vastly easier to find and purchase a Scottish single malt scotch than it is to find and buy a Canadian whisky whose distillery is on
    the other side of the country. Odd that it would be true, but it is.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jan 17 15:26:59 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-01-17 13:30:49, you wrote to me:

    Irish whisky's have their own specific tastes, which you can't
    compare too well with the Scotisch single malts I think.

    True. However I still like Irish whisky albiet not as much as single malt scotch.

    There is nothing wrong with Irish whisky. You just shouldn't compare it to Scotish single malts. It's apples and oranges. ;)
    Just like American Bourbon, which you shouldn't compare to those either, although it's called whiskey too...

    Speaking of Canadian whisky, especially aged single malts, the 15yo "Battle of the Glen" has my interest which happens to be more
    expensive then comparable Scottish single malts.

    I don't know any. I once tasted a rye whiskey from Seagram (is that Canadian?).
    But that is more like bourbon, than single malt...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Jan 17 17:54:14 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    There is nothing wrong with Irish whisky. You just shouldn't
    compare it to Scotish single malts. It's apples and oranges. ;)

    No, it's whisky and whisky. Scotch is only called scotch because it is whisky made in Scotland. In the case of the single malt scotches, I'd be inclined to compare them to single male whisky and cited a possible contender that is made in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, which happens to be located on the east coast of Canada. If they made it in Scotland it would indeed be a single malt scotch but instead is called a single malt whisky since it isn't made in Scotland BUT is definetly worthy of comparison to Scotish single malts.

    I once tasted a rye whiskey from Seagram (is that Canadian?).

    It used to be. I am not sure anymore. Anyhow I don't believe they make, or ever made, a single malt whisky. As far as the 'e' in whiskey, I've heard that
    the Irish added that in to spite the Scots. ;-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jan 17 19:38:41 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-01-17 17:54:14, you wrote to me:

    There is nothing wrong with Irish whisky. You just shouldn't
    compare it to Scotish single malts. It's apples and oranges. ;)

    No, it's whisky and whisky.

    Or whisky and whiskey and bourbon? ;)

    Scotch is only called scotch because it is whisky made in Scotland.

    "Scotch" is an American thing, we never call it that over here. ;)

    In the case of the single malt scotches, I'd be inclined to compare
    them to single male whisky

    "male"? Is that a typo or intentional? ;)

    and cited a possible contender that is made in Cape Breton, Nova
    Scotia, which happens to be located on the east coast of Canada. If
    they made it in Scotland it would indeed be a single malt scotch but instead is called a single malt whisky since it isn't made in Scotland
    BUT is definetly worthy of comparison to Scotish single malts.

    I don't know that one, but you are probably right. But when it comes to the typical Irish whiskeys (like Jamesons) I find them closer to Bourbon's than to the Scotish single malts, taste wise. Although does the typical Irish whiskey exist? I have for instance an unopened Connemara peated single malt here, that isn't so typical.

    I once tasted a rye whiskey from Seagram (is that Canadian?).

    It used to be. I am not sure anymore. Anyhow I don't believe they make, or ever made, a single malt whisky. As far as the 'e' in whiskey, I've heard that the Irish added that in to spite the Scots. ;-)

    That won't surprise me at all, if true. ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Jan 17 23:34:32 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    Or whisky and whiskey and bourbon? ;)

    Sure. But you brought up the bourbon not me. I have no plans involving bourbon.

    "male"? Is that a typo or intentional?

    A typo. Sorry if it caused any confusion. :-)

    (like Jamesons) I find them closer to Bourbon's than to the
    Scotish single malts

    I've never had Jamesons but I thought Bushmills was closer in taste to Scottish
    single malts than to bourbon.

    I have for instance an unopened Connemara peated single malt here

    That sounds interesting. I'll have to look that one up.

    As for the Glen Bretons, the Glenora Distillery makes around 11 offerings of their single malts, the "Battle of the Glen" 15yo being the one that captures my eye.

    https://www.glenoradistillery.com/glenora-whiskey

    I think any of them could be directly comparable to any Scottish single malt whisky.

    heard that the Irish added that in to spite the Scots. ;-)

    That won't surprise me at all, if true. ;)

    It brought a smile to my face when I read it. I believe the article was about Irish distilleries attempting to recapture the whisky market from the Scottish.
    They claim to be the first and that the Scots stole their business.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jan 18 11:01:01 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-01-17 23:34:32, you wrote to me:

    I have for instance an unopened Connemara peated single malt here

    That sounds interesting. I'll have to look that one up.

    Do you like peated whisky's?

    I've never had Jamesons but I thought Bushmills was closer in taste to Scottish single malts than to bourbon.

    It's too long ago for me since I last tasted it to remember it's taste...

    As for the Glen Bretons, the Glenora Distillery makes around 11
    offerings of their single malts, the "Battle of the Glen" 15yo being
    the one that captures my eye.

    https://www.glenoradistillery.com/glenora-whiskey

    I think any of them could be directly comparable to any Scottish single malt whisky.

    Probably. My favourite whisky shop has two bottlings of Glen Bretons available.
    The regular 10yo and the Ice 10yo, but they are a bit to expensive for me (45,99 and 53,99 Euros), to just try them...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Jan 18 12:50:10 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    Do you like peated whisky's?

    I recall Oban being peaty and I liked that. However that was ~25 years ago so perhaps my tastebuds have changed their minds since then. Like I've already said, I don't drink that often and when I do I tend to go with the regular, trusty 12yo Glenlivet.

    they are a bit to expensive for me (45,99 and 53,99 Euros), to
    just try them...

    Same situation here except I have never noticed if they are available at any of
    the stores locally. I will definetly have a look next time ... which will probably be no sooner than September. Your above quoted prices look about right (70.05 and 82.24 CAD).

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jan 18 15:05:55 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-01-18 12:50:10, you wrote to me:

    Do you like peated whisky's?

    I recall Oban being peaty and I liked that.

    Oban has just a little bit of a peated taste. Not comparable to for instance Laphroaig or Ardbeg.

    However that was ~25 years ago so perhaps my tastebuds have changed
    their minds since then. Like I've already said, I don't drink that
    often and when I do I tend to go with the regular, trusty 12yo
    Glenlivet.

    I have my favorites, but I also like to try out whisky's I haven't tasted before. Specially when they are on sale. ;)

    they are a bit to expensive for me (45,99 and 53,99 Euros), to
    just try them...

    Same situation here except I have never noticed if they are available at any of the stores locally. I will definetly have a look next time ... which will probably be no sooner than September. Your above quoted prices look about right (70.05 and 82.24 CAD).

    That's along the current exchange rate between CAD en EUR. Btw: The euro prices
    are including our current tax rate of 21%.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Jan 18 15:48:46 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    Not comparable to for instance Laphroaig or Ardbeg.

    I'll have to take your word on that. The selections in this part of the world are far more limited than your part of the world.

    I also like to try out whisky's I haven't tasted before.
    Specially when they are on sale. ;)

    For sure. However I don't get to the stores often enough to take advantage of sales ... if indeed they actually have sales often enough on the local scene.

    The euro prices are including our current tax rate of 21%.

    That makes it even better since the Canadian prices don't include taxes. Here in BC there is at least a 15% increase on the listed price. You might be getting a better deal on east coast Canadian single malts than we do here on the west coast do ... not that it is a big surprise to anyone here.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jan 18 18:30:29 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-01-18 15:48:46, you wrote to me:

    The selections in this part of the world are far more limited than
    your part of the world.

    Webstores don't deliver in your part of the world?

    I also like to try out whisky's I haven't tasted before.
    Specially when they are on sale. ;)

    For sure. However I don't get to the stores often enough to take
    advantage
    of sales ...

    Webstores have sales too! ;)

    The euro prices are including our current tax rate of 21%.

    That makes it even better since the Canadian prices don't include taxes. Here in BC there is at least a 15% increase on the listed price. You
    might
    be getting a better deal on east coast Canadian single malts than we do here on the west coast do ...

    Strange? Or not?

    not that it is a big surprise to anyone here.

    Why is that?

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Jan 18 19:27:45 2018
    Hey Wilfred!

    Webstores don't deliver in your part of the world?

    No. From what I've heard they will take your money and get a courier company to deliver whatever it is you've bought.

    Webstores have sales too!

    I've heard that. amazon is the main player in this part of the world for web shopping. I don't know if you can buy alcohol on webstores. The only thing I use a browser for is to do searches and it being a text browser nobody supports
    it for doing online sales ... thank goodness.

    If it isn't in the local store or they cannot or will not get it, then it is unlikely I'll ever buy it.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Jan 22 18:15:52 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 17-Jan-2018 03:44 <=-

    on the wall." versions 7f0b96f7-b2d0-46d4-93ab-087d125baaad and the corrected version 0f51e93f-1de7-4147-8da0-a94b626f11a9).
    Speaking of UUIDs, what do you think of this latest idea for identification? Apparently there are more unique randomly generated
    UUIDs than there are particles in the entire universe. "Billions and billions", as Carl Sagan was fond of saying but in this case we're
    talking more than trillions and trillions.

    Interesting concept.... What's the guarantee that some other machine
    wouldn't generate an identical number by random...?

    And maybe you'll still have some of the 15yo Glenlivet left...

    Don't bet the farm on it. My best guess is that for 2019-01-01 I'll
    go with a fresh bottle, perhaps Oban, but for sure a 12yo Glenlivet.

    I thought you were going to try to save the 15yo.... turning out to be
    too hard to ignore, is it...?

    Also I noticed a "The Glenlivet Founder's Reserve Scotch Whisky"
    edition that caught my eye back in September. It was priced about 5 dollars less than the 12yo. Not a big saving but perhaps worthy of purchase for comparing and contrasting purposes.

    Might be a disappointment like the Gold... Apparently it doesn't have
    an age listed either...?

    Then again I might break down and buy the more expensive Oban as I do recall that one being very tasty way back when. Also I might totally break with tradition and try one of the single malts from the Glenora Distillery. For some strange reason the "Glen Breton 15 Year Old -
    Battle of the Glen" calls out to me but is a tad pricey, even moreso
    than the 15yo Glenlivet.

    If it makes any difference, the next one will be a decade for me... ;)

    We'll see I am sure.

    Probably depends on the state of the exchequer when the time comes... ;)

    What is the TUXPOWER echo anyway....?

    Another dead Fidonet echo. 'Tux' is the name of the Linux penguin (logo).

    Ah, so another Linux echo... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... Acronym....Your initial nym.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Tue Jan 23 04:57:19 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    What's the guarantee that some other machine wouldn't generate
    an identical number by random

    For version 4 (random) variant 1 UUIDs, the odds are 1 in 5.3x10^36 (5.3 undecillion). The odds are cut in half for variant 2 UUIDs since an extra bit is required to distinguish it from variant 1s. Given the total traffic for Fidonet, nevermind just this echo, the odds are against it given a half-decent random number generator.

    I thought you were going to try to save the 15yo

    I said from the onset, and I quote, "Don't bet the farm on it". The only thing
    I guarenteed was that it would last until 2018-01-01. It achieved that much ... and beyond. As we speak, the bottle sits on a side cupboard in the kitchen
    in plain view of anyone looking in that direction. Given this, as well as 2019-01-01 being 343 days from now, what do you think the odds of making it to 2019-01-01 are?

    Might be a disappointment like the Gold... Apparently it
    doesn't have an age listed either...?

    I noticed that. Also the Gold wasn't a disappointment, it just wasn't worth the additional cost comparing it to 12yo Glenlivet. If someone shows up with a
    bottle to share I would let them in.

    Ah, so another Linux echo

    Sort of. I believe the intent was to cover scripting but to be honest the packed msg format isn't really friendly to scripting formats (eg tab stops).

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 343 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2478 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jan 26 19:08:08 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 23-Jan-2018 04:57 <=-

    What's the guarantee that some other machine wouldn't generate
    an identical number by random

    For version 4 (random) variant 1 UUIDs, the odds are 1 in 5.3x10^36
    (5.3 undecillion). The odds are cut in half for variant 2 UUIDs since
    an extra bit is required to distinguish it from variant 1s. Given the total traffic for Fidonet, nevermind just this echo, the odds are
    against it given a half-decent random number generator.

    Ok, you've lost me... but I think I almost follow... No guarantee, just
    rather unlikely... :)

    I thought you were going to try to save the 15yo

    I said from the onset, and I quote, "Don't bet the farm on it". The
    only thing I guarenteed was that it would last until 2018-01-01. It achieved that much ... and beyond. As we speak, the bottle sits on a
    side cupboard in the kitchen in plain view of anyone looking in that direction. Given this, as well as 2019-01-01 being 343 days from now, what do you think the odds of making it to 2019-01-01 are?

    Originally, you had said you'd probably put it out of sight... which
    would make the odds of lasting a little higher... ;) If it's out where
    it can be seen, yeah, more likely to be imbibed.... ;)

    Might be a disappointment like the Gold... Apparently it doesn't
    have an age listed either...?

    I noticed that. Also the Gold wasn't a disappointment, it just wasn't worth the additional cost comparing it to 12yo Glenlivet. If someone shows up with a bottle to share I would let them in.

    Some things are best bought by someone else... ;)

    Ah, so another Linux echo

    Sort of. I believe the intent was to cover scripting but to be honest
    the packed msg format isn't really friendly to scripting formats (eg
    tab stops).

    It tends to compress them away....?

    ttyl neb

    ... My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jan 27 04:20:47 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    No guarantee, just rather unlikely... :)

    We'll see come Set. 24. There should be 99 in a row up to Jan. 1, 2019 generated by the same routine. By all accounts no two of the UUIDs should be duplicated.

    you had said you'd probably put it out of sight

    I am sure I meant up to Jan 1st. which is what I did. It was only missing about 2 ounces as I was curious when I bought it whether or not it was worth all the hassel and expense. Again, all things considered, I'd opt out for the 12yo Glenlivet next time.

    If it's out where it can be seen, yeah, more likely to be imbibed

    So far nobody has even noticed. It might even make it to 2019-01-01 by continuing to hide in plain sight, although I don't recommend placing any wagers on it ... especially wagers involving the farm.

    Some things are best bought by someone else...

    Possibly. The track record thus far has me purchasing the best with only a couple exceptions that happened over 20 years ago and my memory isn't as good as it used to be ... that is if my current memory serves me right about past memory.

    It tends to compress them away....?

    They usually are ignored which makes scripts and code misaligned and thus hard to read and decypher.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 339 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2474 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Mon Feb 5 00:59:13 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    It keeps whispering your name....?

    Not that I have heard ... yet. It is still sitting on the side cupboard in plain sight and other than us chatting about it I haven't been thinking about it at all.

    I believe you were talking about them... or was it just one of
    them, and you've now found a second one....?

    Originally I heard about it on the radio except I missed the name so it could have been one or the other. The one that looks serious can be found at https://shelterpoint.ca - specifically https://shelterpoint.ca/wp-content/uploads/whisky-reflection-cropped.png - and might be available at a local wine and beer store I will check out one of these days.

    Maybe your grandchildren will follow suit some year.... ;)

    :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 330 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2465 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.18(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Feb 6 01:55:14 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 05-Feb-2018 00:59 <=-

    It keeps whispering your name....?

    Not that I have heard ... yet. It is still sitting on the side
    cupboard in plain sight and other than us chatting about it I haven't
    been thinking about it at all.

    Ok, then... we can stop chatting about it... for now... :)

    I believe you were talking about them... or was it just one of
    them, and you've now found a second one....?

    Originally I heard about it on the radio except I missed the name so
    it could have been one or the other. The one that looks serious can
    be found at https://shelterpoint.ca - specifically https://shelterpoint.ca/wp-content/uploads/whisky-reflection-cropped.png
    - and might be available at a local wine and beer store I will check
    out one of these days.

    You'll just have to report on it when/if you do... :)

    Maybe your grandchildren will follow suit some year.... ;)

    :-)

    I know... it would be nice, wouldn't it... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... Acronym....Your initial nym.

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jan 31 17:31:38 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 27-Jan-2018 04:20 <=-

    No guarantee, just rather unlikely... :)

    We'll see come Set. 24. There should be 99 in a row up to Jan. 1,
    2019 generated by the same routine. By all accounts no two of the
    UUIDs should be duplicated.

    I'd expect that you'd not get duplicates, using the same machine for the
    whole set... My wondering was more about whether a different machine, elsewhere, might not hit the same randomly generated number, purely by random.... unless somewhere incorporated in the routine is something
    also identifying the source of the message...

    you had said you'd probably put it out of sight

    I am sure I meant up to Jan 1st. which is what I did.

    I'm sure that in the discussion, you'd indicated the good possibility
    that it might last through 2018 for the next one as well, but the no
    chance that it would make it to the next 5Nov one in 2024...

    It was only missing about 2 ounces as I was curious when I bought it whether or not it was worth all the hassel and expense. Again, all
    things considered, I'd opt out for the 12yo Glenlivet next time.

    12yo seems to be a good age for the good single malts, balancing taste
    with affordability... I'd not turn down an older one, of course, but not
    so likely to buy for myself... ;)

    If it's out where it can be seen, yeah, more likely to be imbibed

    So far nobody has even noticed. It might even make it to 2019-01-01
    by continuing to hide in plain sight, although I don't recommend
    placing any wagers on it ... especially wagers involving the farm.

    Oh, I don't put wagers on anything... even the sure things, as one
    really never knows... ;) I do expect that I'll still have my 12yo
    Macallan at that point... I might, though, get something fancier to add
    to the collection... after all, the next one is a decade year for me...

    Some things are best bought by someone else...

    Possibly. The track record thus far has me purchasing the best with
    only a couple exceptions that happened over 20 years ago and my memory isn't as good as it used to be ... that is if my current memory serves
    me right about past memory.

    There is that bottle that your daughters bought you... in that over 20
    years ago category, to be sure... ;)

    It tends to compress them away....?

    They usually are ignored which makes scripts and code misaligned and
    thus hard to read and decypher.

    Ah... pretty much what I was thinking... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Shake a family tree, and some nuts are sure to fall out!

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Wed Feb 7 21:59:29 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    You'll just have to report on it when/if you do... :)

    For sure. First I have to check if the store in question does have it in stock
    and at what price. If the price is right I'll have to come up with an excuse to buy and try it out.

    Speaking of trying things out, I was looking at a version 2 UUID and tried replacing the 48 bit MAC address with an extra-special Fidonet address containing a 12 bit user number which would assure every user of a particular BBS an unique identifier as part of the UUID. For example "Maurice Kinal" 48 bit hex id would be 100991b59bad. With the current datetime then the UUID would be; f4635300-0c54-11e8-9dd1-100991b59bad. Knowing the UUID's version, then running 'uuidparse' yields;

    ----- '<Esc>:read !uuidparse f4635300-0c54-11e8-9dd1-100991b59bad' starts
    UUID VARIANT TYPE TIME f4635300-0c54-11e8-9dd1-100991b59bad DCE time-based 2018-02-07 22:19:25,173632+0000
    ----- '<Esc>:read !uuidparse f4635300-0c54-11e8-9dd1-100991b59bad' ends

    Note that the fractional part of the datetime is in microseconds.

    For the record, Little Mikey's 48 bit hex id would be 100991b59000. The last 3
    nibbles is what makes the Fidonet node's unique to a specific user. The first 9 nibbles is the hex representation of the Little Mikey's node number, 1:153/7001.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 328 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2463 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.18(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Thu Feb 1 22:42:47 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    unless somewhere incorporated in the routine is something also
    identifying the source of the message...

    In the case of UUIDs, there are the Version 1 and 2 UUIDs that incorporate the MAC address and datetime stamp of the local machine. Version 3 and 5 UUIDs encorporate namespaces instead of date and MAC addresses. Personally I prefer the purely random Version 4 UUIDs.

    you'd indicated the good possibility that it might last through
    2018

    Since then I have had my doubts about it making it to the 2019-01-01 cybertoast.

    Speaking of single malts, it turns out there are two local sources (Vancouver Island). Neither gives the age of their offerings but I don't believe they have been around long enough to have a 12yo.

    after all, the next one is a decade year for me

    I didn't know that. Thank you for the heads up.

    There is that bottle that your daughters bought you

    Dec 1997 which is just over 20 years ago. A very tough act to follow.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 334 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2469 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Sun Feb 4 01:51:04 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 01-Feb-2018 22:42 <=-

    unless somewhere incorporated in the routine is something also
    identifying the source of the message...

    In the case of UUIDs, there are the Version 1 and 2 UUIDs that
    incorporate the MAC address and datetime stamp of the local machine. Version 3 and 5 UUIDs encorporate namespaces instead of date and MAC addresses. Personally I prefer the purely random Version 4 UUIDs.

    I'd think those last more likely to have duplicates elsewhere... unless everyone else was using the ones that incorporate their ID....

    you'd indicated the good possibility that it might last through
    2018

    Since then I have had my doubts about it making it to the 2019-01-01 cybertoast.

    It keeps whispering your name....? <G>

    Speaking of single malts, it turns out there are two local sources (Vancouver Island). Neither gives the age of their offerings but I
    don't believe they have been around long enough to have a 12yo.

    I believe you were talking about them... or was it just one of them, and
    you've now found a second one....? If they are indeed quite young,
    you'll just have to wait until they are able to offer a 10 or 12yo... ;)

    There is that bottle that your daughters bought you

    Dec 1997 which is just over 20 years ago. A very tough act to follow.

    That's about what I thought it was... Maybe your grandchildren will
    follow suit some year.... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected from happening.

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Feb 12 22:51:06 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 07-Feb-2018 21:59 <=-

    You'll just have to report on it when/if you do... :)

    For sure. First I have to check if the store in question does have it
    in stock and at what price. If the price is right I'll have to come
    up with an excuse to buy and try it out.

    True, finding it available is the first step... and hopefully for not
    too much... ;)

    Speaking of trying things out, I was looking at a version 2 UUID and
    tried replacing the 48 bit MAC address with an extra-special Fidonet address containing a 12 bit user number which would assure every user
    of a particular BBS an unique identifier as part of the UUID. For
    example "Maurice Kinal" 48 bit hex id would be 100991b59bad. With the current datetime then the UUID would be; f4635300-0c54-11e8-9dd1-100991b59bad. Knowing the UUID's version,
    then running 'uuidparse' yields;
    ----- '<Esc>:read !uuidparse f4635300-0c54-11e8-9dd1-100991b59bad'
    starts UUID VARIANT TYPE TIME f4635300-0c54-11e8-9dd1-100991b59bad DCE time-based 2018-02-07 22:19:25,173632+0000 ----- '<Esc>:read !uuidparse f4635300-0c54-11e8-9dd1-100991b59bad' ends
    Note that the fractional part of the datetime is in microseconds.

    Interesting experiment... :)

    For the record, Little Mikey's 48 bit hex id would be 100991b59000.
    The last 3 nibbles is what makes the Fidonet node's unique to a
    specific user. The first 9 nibbles is the hex representation of the Little Mikey's node number, 1:153/7001.

    So then random number actually is a coded version of the BBS's id, the
    time and the user's name... I can see where that would end up being essentially unique... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... Post unto others as you would have them post unto you.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Tue Feb 13 04:44:27 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    and hopefully for not too much... ;)

    For sure that is the key. I am planning to check next week and might take the plunge if the price is right.

    So then random number actually is a coded version of the BBS's
    id, the time and the user's name...

    Exactly except there is no randomness in this particular version despite the format being the same as the random version.

    I can see where that would end up being essentially unique... :)

    Yes up to a certain datetime, depending on whether it is signed (~3400 AD) or unsigned (~5236 AD). Also there are limitations as to how many UUIDs can be generated per cycle between version 1 and version 2 datetime based UUIDs with version 2 being more limited (1 per 7 seconds) which is a very big problem if the UUID is generated by the node as opposed to the user generating it when creating the message. I don't know how long it takes you to generate messages but I know it takes me more than 7 seconds even for a oneliners. I still think
    the purely random version 4 UUIDs is the way to go especially if the node is generating them.

    Anyhow it was an interesting idea while it lasted.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 322 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2457 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.18(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Feb 19 18:41:12 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 13-Feb-2018 04:44 <=-

    and hopefully for not too much... ;)

    For sure that is the key. I am planning to check next week and might
    take the plunge if the price is right.

    And was the price right....? Or wasn't it even available...?

    So then random number actually is a coded version of the BBS's
    id, the time and the user's name...

    Exactly except there is no randomness in this particular version
    despite the format being the same as the random version.

    I think the non-random would be more useful, then... and less likely to
    cause any duplications inadvertantly....

    I can see where that would end up being essentially unique... :)

    Yes up to a certain datetime, depending on whether it is signed (~3400
    AD) or unsigned (~5236 AD).

    That sounds far enough away that we shouldn't have to worry about it,
    then... :)

    Also there are limitations as to how many UUIDs can be generated per
    cycle between version 1 and version 2 datetime based UUIDs with version
    2 being more limited (1 per 7 seconds) which is a very big problem if
    the UUID is generated by the node as opposed to the user generating it when creating the message. I don't know how long it takes you to
    generate messages but I know it takes me more than 7 seconds even for a oneliners. I still think the purely random version 4 UUIDs is the way
    to go especially if the node is generating them.

    It takes me much longer than 7 seconds.... :) But I have noticed that
    when I upload a reply packet to a bbs, the datetime stamp on all the
    messages in the packet sometimes is changed to the time it was
    uploaded... and that can be 10-12 messages all within 1 or 2 seconds...

    Anyhow it was an interesting idea while it lasted.

    Indeed... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... What messages? You sent me messages?? {WOOF WOOF *burp!*}

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Wed Feb 21 19:06:16 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    And was the price right....? Or wasn't it even available...?

    I haven't checked yet. From the web site they claim that it should be available at the store next door to where I normally buy groceries but I have yet to come up with an excuse to potentially liberate a bottle if indeed it is available and the price is right. It may have to wait until Sept. 24th when the "99 Bottles of Beer" routine kicks in as that is the nearest date of interest to me ... unless you can come up with one in the meantime.

    I think the non-random would be more useful

    Potentially yes given that a proper date (ie four digit year) and source node with user number can be derived from it. Even if the datetime stamp is the BBS's as opposed to the user's it is of consequence as opposed to the FTN datetime stamp alone which is obsolete (2 digit year) and lacks timezone.

    That sounds far enough away that we shouldn't have to worry about
    it

    Given how long it has been since the official declaration of obsolescence of the FTN datetime format I question whether it even matters whatsoever. Also I have doubts that MS based nodes will ever have a suitable uuid generator/parser
    without Fidonet providing one. However, given that Windows can generate a proper email datetime stamp (four digit year) I believe the current accepted datetime stamp could be updated without causing any grief ... errrrr ... probably. ;-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 314 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2449 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.18(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Feb 20 13:00:00 2018
    Nancy...

    take the plunge if the price is right.

    And was the price right....? Or wasn't it even available...?

    We'll have to ask Bob Barker or Drew Carey. <BG>

    It takes me much longer than 7 seconds.... :) But I have noticed that NB>when I upload a reply packet to a bbs, the datetime stamp on all the NB>messages in the packet sometimes is changed to the time it was NB>uploaded... and that can be 10-12 messages all within 1 or 2 seconds...

    I've noticed when downloading QWK packets on my BBS, if using the MTel
    Telnet client, the time on the QWK Packet is in UTC/GMT/Z Time. Yet, if
    I download it via SyncTerm, it shows up as my local time zone (U.S.
    Central Time). As long as I get the messages, I don't care what time was
    on the packet.

    Daryl

    ===
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    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Win32
    * Origin: FIDONet: The Thunderbolt BBS - wx1der.dyndns.org (1:19/33)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Feb 26 19:38:00 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 21-Feb-2018 19:06 <=-

    And was the price right....? Or wasn't it even available...?

    I haven't checked yet. From the web site they claim that it should be available at the store next door to where I normally buy groceries but
    I have yet to come up with an excuse to potentially liberate a bottle
    if indeed it is available and the price is right.

    I thought the chance to try it out was being put forth as the excuse...
    and its proximity of availability as a plus...

    It may have to wait until Sept. 24th when the "99 Bottles of Beer"
    routine kicks in as that is the nearest date of interest to me ...
    unless you can come up with one in the meantime.

    Celebrating Canada's 150th year with a Canadian single malt...?

    That sounds far enough away that we shouldn't have to worry about it

    Given how long it has been since the official declaration of
    obsolescence of the FTN datetime format I question whether it even
    matters whatsoever. Also I have doubts that MS based nodes will ever
    have a suitable uuid generator/parser without Fidonet providing one. However, given that Windows can generate a proper email datetime stamp (four digit year) I believe the current accepted datetime stamp could
    be updated without causing any grief ... errrrr ... probably. ;-)

    Just have to get some people to join your bandwagon to get it off the
    ground in the first place... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Bureaucrats cut red tape...... Lengthwise!

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Tue Feb 27 05:06:57 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    I thought the chance to try it out was being put forth as the
    excuse...

    I suppose that could work if I don't come up with something better before the next trip to town. Then again the price will have to be right and as of this date I am unsure.

    Celebrating Canada's 150th year with a Canadian single malt...?

    Except that was July 1st, 2017. For the record I didn't celebrate it, along with many other Canadians. When it comes to flagwaving we're not all that good
    about celebrations ... unless of course there is a hockey championship of some sort at stake. Speaking of which, I watched the women's Olympic gold medal game where your women stole the gold from our women and broke a 20 year tradition. :::sigh:::

    Just have to get some people to join your bandwagon to get it off
    the ground in the first place... ;)

    Not counting Fidonet, that officially happened sometime back in 2002-ish. As per usual the powers that be in Fidonet are decades out of step ... if indeed they ever knew an honest standard even if it whacks them across the side of the
    head with a two by four. :::snicker:::

    Oh well ... we'll carry on no matter what. Right? ;-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Daryl Stout on Wed Feb 28 18:48:58 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 20-Feb-2018 13:00 <=-

    take the plunge if the price is right.
    And was the price right....? Or wasn't it even available...?

    We'll have to ask Bob Barker or Drew Carey. <BG>

    They wouldn't know, either... ;)

    It takes me much longer than 7 seconds.... :) But I have noticed that
    when I upload a reply packet to a bbs, the datetime stamp on all the
    messages in the packet sometimes is changed to the time it was
    uploaded... and that can be 10-12 messages all within 1 or 2 seconds...

    I've noticed when downloading QWK packets on my BBS, if using the
    MTel Telnet client, the time on the QWK Packet is in UTC/GMT/Z Time.
    Yet, if I download it via SyncTerm, it shows up as my local time zone (U.S. Central Time). As long as I get the messages, I don't care what
    time was on the packet.

    Similarly, when downloading, the datetime stamps can be affected by the
    bbs for me... I'm always using the same telnet client to both up and download... so that isn't affecting the datestamp for me... I don't
    worry too much about the timestamp either, as long as it doesn't cause
    other problems... The upload timestamp change can cause messages to go
    missing if other bbses see them as dupes for some reason, though....

    ttyl neb

    ... If things improve with age then I'm approaching magnificence.

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Mar 2 20:42:04 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 27-Feb-2018 05:06 <=-

    I thought the chance to try it out was being put forth as the
    excuse...

    I suppose that could work if I don't come up with something better
    before the next trip to town. Then again the price will have to be
    right and as of this date I am unsure.

    If the price is high, one needs a better excuse than if it is easily affordable... ;)

    Celebrating Canada's 150th year with a Canadian single malt...?

    Except that was July 1st, 2017. For the record I didn't celebrate it, along with many other Canadians. When it comes to flagwaving we're
    not all that good about celebrations ...

    That was the actual "birthdate"... but the year continues through until
    July 1st, 2018... :) We don't do celebrations all that much ourselves,
    though we did pick up a couple of things during our bicentennial year,
    just for the fun of it... :)

    unless of course there is a
    hockey championship of some sort at stake. Speaking of which, I
    watched the women's Olympic gold medal game where your women stole the gold from our women and broke a 20 year tradition. :::sigh:::

    I didn't watch it... but heard that it was a close game, IIRC....

    Just have to get some people to join your bandwagon to get it off
    the ground in the first place... ;)

    Not counting Fidonet, that officially happened sometime back in
    2002-ish. As per usual the powers that be in Fidonet are decades out
    of step ... if indeed they ever knew an honest standard even if it
    whacks them across the side of the head with a two by four.
    :::snicker:::
    Oh well ... we'll carry on no matter what. Right? ;-)

    That's been my policy all along.. ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... MODEM? I've been calling this BBS with a Tarot deck.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sat Mar 3 04:00:57 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    If the price is high, one needs a better excuse than if it is
    easily affordable... ;)

    Welllllll ... I looked today and it cost as much as the 15yo Glenlivet. All I could come up with in the moment was, "Nice bottle and nice label." However it
    didn't take much further thought to conclude no matter how good the contents might be it isn't worth the cost to me. 12yo Glenlivet wins again except I didn't purchase that either. I can wait until the next official cybertoast.

    the year continues through until July 1st, 2018

    Ah! Yeah that might have worked had the price been right.

    it was a close game

    It took a shoot out to settle it. Can't get any closer than that. Both teams are always more or less evenly matched despite the outcome of previous olympics. Personally I find it the only game in town and have watched every final since it started (1998). I cannot say the say the same for the men and was really disappointed when they allowed NHL players to participate.

    Oh well ... we'll carry on no matter what. Right? ;-)

    That's been my policy all along.. ;)

    That works for me.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Mar 6 01:02:48 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 03-Mar-2018 04:00 <=-

    If the price is high, one needs a better excuse than if it is
    easily affordable... ;)

    Welllllll ... I looked today and it cost as much as the 15yo
    Glenlivet. All I could come up with in the moment was, "Nice bottle
    and nice label." However it didn't take much further thought to
    conclude no matter how good the contents might be it isn't worth the
    cost to me.

    Oh, well... ;)

    12yo Glenlivet wins again except I didn't purchase that
    either. I can wait until the next official cybertoast.

    After all, that is likely to still be there as a regular item... :) And
    I'd guess you aren't out of the previous purchase yet.... :)

    the year continues through until July 1st, 2018

    Ah! Yeah that might have worked had the price been right.

    Which, unfortunately, it wasn't....

    it was a close game

    It took a shoot out to settle it. Can't get any closer than that.

    Indeed. :)

    Both teams are always more or less evenly matched despite the outcome
    of previous olympics. Personally I find it the only game in town and
    have watched every final since it started (1998). I cannot say the
    say the same for the men and was really disappointed when they allowed
    NHL players to participate.

    I've not been watching them at all... just hearing results on the news
    on the radio, if at all... :) I did hear tell that the women's teams
    are evenly matched, and have between them dominated the olympics all
    along...

    ttyl neb

    ... If you don't care where you are, then you can't get lost.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Wed Mar 7 15:58:33 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Oh, well...

    Yes indeed. I would have liked to support a local concern but considering how little I consume I don't believe it will make a difference.

    that is likely to still be there as a regular item

    As long as I don't wait until it's too close to Christmas. I made that mistake
    a couple years ago.

    I've not been watching them at all

    Same here as I no longer have a TV. I don't plan on buying one either. I streamed the women's gold medal game on an el-cheapo tablet I happen to have for testing wireless connectivity. That was the first time I ever did such a thing and since then the tablet has been sitting idle. I may dust it off for the world junior hockey championship game which happens just after New Year's Day if the Canadian kids are contenders which they usually are.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Mar 12 19:30:56 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 07-Mar-2018 15:58 <=-

    Oh, well...

    Yes indeed. I would have liked to support a local concern but
    considering how little I consume I don't believe it will make a difference.

    Probably true... :) They'll have to sink or swim on their own... ;)

    that is likely to still be there as a regular item

    As long as I don't wait until it's too close to Christmas. I made
    that mistake a couple years ago.

    True... likely to all be sold out before you get there if you wait too
    long... ;)

    I've not been watching them at all

    Same here as I no longer have a TV. I don't plan on buying one
    either. I streamed the women's gold medal game on an el-cheapo tablet
    I happen to have for testing wireless connectivity. That was the
    first time I ever did such a thing and since then the tablet has been sitting idle.

    Don't even have one of those here... ;)

    I may dust it off for the world junior hockey
    championship game which happens just after New Year's Day if the
    Canadian kids are contenders which they usually are.

    Sounds like a nice idea... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sun Mar 18 04:11:38 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    They'll have to sink or swim on their own

    That is probably true even if I had bought one and it turned out to be good as it would be unlikely that I'd buy another given the cost. Maybe 2024.

    Don't even have one of those here

    I used to but after it died I never bothered replacing it. I am not sure how many years ago that was but I never found myself missing anything of note. I get my daily dose of news from the radio these days (CBC Radio One) along with some other food for thought.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Mar 23 01:00:20 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 18-Mar-2018 04:11 <=-

    They'll have to sink or swim on their own

    That is probably true even if I had bought one and it turned out to be good as it would be unlikely that I'd buy another given the cost.
    Maybe 2024.

    As long as they are still in business and haven't raised the price too
    terribly much... <G>

    I used to but after it died I never bothered replacing it. I am not
    sure how many years ago that was but I never found myself missing
    anything of note. I get my daily dose of news from the radio these
    days (CBC Radio One) along with some other food for thought.

    My daily news dose is the headlines from the NPR news... the classical
    station I listen to has that on the hour various times throughout the
    day... sufficient to keep me informed... :)

    So... are you having spring weather in your area...? We've had a week
    of fairly sunny but still cold weather here... the snow is gradually
    receding, and I can see the snowdrops again... But the snow is still
    covering the area where my tulips and daffodils are, so I don't know if
    they are starting to poke through yet...

    ttyl neb

    ... Friendliest thing in the whole world: A wet dog.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Fri Mar 23 04:37:41 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Maybe 2024.

    As long as they are still in business and haven't raised the price
    too terribly much... <G>

    I have serious doubts about that but we won't know for sure until we get there.

    are you having spring weather in your area...?

    Yes except the next couple of days are cooler and wetter than it has been this month. Definetly nothing to complain about all things considered. Certainly better than the east coast.

    Spotted the first bumblebee in early Febuary although we did get some colder weather that month, including some snow.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:18/200 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Apr 16 20:49:49 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 23 Mar 18 0:37:41 <=-

    Found this in a "dump" of messages when a sysop changed systems... I'm
    thinking maybe I never answered it.... that could explain why things got
    so quiet... ;)

    Maybe 2024.
    As long as they are still in business and haven't raised the price
    too terribly much... <G>

    I have serious doubts about that but we won't know for sure until we
    get there.

    True enough... ;)

    are you having spring weather in your area...?

    Yes except the next couple of days are cooler and wetter than it has
    been this month. Definetly nothing to complain about all things considered. Certainly better than the east coast.

    Thankfully we are far enough inland that we missed most of that east
    coast nasty weather... but we did just have a minor ice storm this past weekend... things melted quickly, no damage that I saw... and this week
    is just supposed to be rainy and cool (highs in 40s(F))...

    Spotted the first bumblebee in early Febuary although we did get some colder weather that month, including some snow.

    Your spring does come earlier than ours... Haven't seen and bumblebees,
    but the birds are back and singing, which is a good sign... :) My
    daffodils are up about 6 inches or so... they got iced, but seem to be
    ok despite it... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... I was not CREATING a disturbance, I was improving one already there.
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Tue Apr 17 04:36:03 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Found this in a "dump" of messages when a sysop changed systems

    Understood. I have two paths for fidonet messaging and one of them is completely dead and has been for at least a month, but even before that it has been hit and miss for weeks at a time. I've gave up on it when I discovered that someone along that path is reformatting my messages. This one via your neck of the woods is VASTLY more reliable and never screws with messages that I've ever noticed.

    that could explain why things got so quiet

    Could be. Things aren't what they used to be that is for sure. However I am still here ... wherever 'here' actually is. ;-/

    but we did just have a minor ice storm

    I heard Toronto had over a 100,000 power outages that other day due to it so perhaps you only caught the edge of it. Also they have been getting more winterish weather before this particular bout with high winds and icey 'rain'.
    Still nothing like the back to back storms on the east coast has been seeing so
    far this year from what we see of it from this angle. As for us, we're seeing wet, windy and cool weather since we last talked but have had a couple nice days of sunshine. Last I heard we're ontrack to have a higher than normal amount of rain this month given we're only at the halfway point.

    Your spring does come earlier than ours

    For sure. This spring has been cooler and wetter than average but is still better than last year and is definetly more springish than the northeast, including this year.

    but the birds are back and singing

    I noticed a local male hummingbird doing it's mating dealie at the northeastern
    corner of my place so I figure it has a nest somewhere in the bushes there. I haven't located it yet and when I do I am hoping my neighbour will get some good pictures of it once it attracts a female to occupy it with a new harvest of young. Also the local quail have been less active than usual so I think they are getting ready to sprout soon. The females like to travel in packs with their young in between when they make the rounds, and my backyard is on their daily foraging route. No young yet but should see some soon.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Apr 18 09:17:54 2018
    On 2018 Apr 17 04:36:02, you wrote to Nancy Backus:


    Found this in a "dump" of messages when a sysop changed systems

    Understood. I have two paths for fidonet messaging and one of them is completely dead and has been for at least a month, but even before that it has been hit and miss for weeks at a time.

    which uplink?

    I've gave up on it when I discovered that someone along that path is reformatting my messages.

    not someone... something... probably buggy BBS or mail tosser... without knowing more, we cannot track it down and try to get it fixed...

    This one via your neck of the woods is VASTLY more reliable and never screws with messages that I've ever noticed.

    funny how traditional "DOS-think" shite seems to work the best, eh? ;) ;) ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to mark lewis on Wed Apr 18 15:28:46 2018
    Hey mark!

    which uplink?

    Check the nodelist. It should be obvious.

    probably buggy BBS or mail tosser

    Yes. However the sysop in question chose the software although given the situation there really isn't much of a choice. Speaking for myself, I chose to
    grow my own and as you can probably see it is compliant to fts-0001.016 unlike most of the current software deployed in Fidonet, or at least the more popular obvious abandonware. You can place me as more of a traditionalist despite the fact what my choices would imply to the contrary.

    we cannot track it down and try to get it fixed

    Heh, heh. I've been suckered by statements like that in the past. If you are truly serious let us take up this conversation in FTSC_PUBLIC or NET_DEV where it might make a difference, although I am highly skeptical it will ever make a difference. My choice would be FTSC_PUBLIC and my strategy would be to continue pointing out the obvious flaws in fts-0001.016 and where it really needs an overhaul. Mind you I'll probably get censured there given my past experience with that echo but I really don't mind taking a bullet for a worthwhile cause.

    funny how traditional "DOS-think" shite seems to work the best

    Actually the least buggy stuff is the most portable and appears to be mostly linux deployed. hpt comes to mind. However it can be argued to be chock full of DOS-think in spite of OS it is being deployed on.

    I believe my bash scripting is more in line with UNIX-think as well as the old fashioned Fidonet hobby bullshit I've heard in the past. If I am not mistaken the last time I heard, "It is only a hobby", was from you in the LINUX echo way
    back when. ;-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to mark lewis on Wed Apr 18 18:16:04 2018
    Hello mark,

    18 Apr 18 09:17 at you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

    funny how traditional "DOS-think" shite seems to work the best, eh? ;)

    Nancy posted her message from my Linux system...

    Later,
    Sean

    ... To everyone, life in the first person is a mystery.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Limestone, TN, USA (1:18/200)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Sean Dennis on Wed Apr 18 23:18:13 2018
    Attention Sean,

    Nancy posted her message from my Linux system...

    But neither your system or Nancy are part of this particular issue. Having said that, the uplink that is getting it right is also a linux based system so any DOS-think leakage via it's tosser which I believe is hpt. The uplink on the broken path - currently dead other than excessive polls given zero traffic - is DOS-think based and if I am not mistaken could easily be termed as abandonware. Also that particular uplink isn't responsible for the reformatting of compliant fts-0001.016 msgs but instead a system along the path.

    Thank you for the opportunity to try out this newest test.

    End transmission.

    ... Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law:
    Half of what goes in here must come out there.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Little Mikey on Wed Apr 18 22:53:18 2018
    Hello Little,

    18 Apr 18 23:18 at you wrote to me:

    But neither your system or Nancy are part of this particular issue.

    You're correct; I was saying that as an aside.

    Having said that, the uplink that is getting it right is also a linux based system so any DOS-think leakage via it's tosser which I believe
    is hpt. The uplink on the broken path - currently dead other than excessive polls given zero traffic - is DOS-think based and if I am
    not mistaken could easily be termed as abandonware. Also that
    particular uplink isn't responsible for the reformatting of compliant fts-0001.016 msgs but instead a system along the path.

    I'd ask that you report that broken link to someone who can either contact the sysop or reroute around that system.

    Later,
    Sean

    ... Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Limestone, TN, USA (1:18/200)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Sean Dennis on Thu Apr 19 04:04:12 2018
    Attention Sean,

    I'd ask that you report that broken link to someone who can
    either contact the sysop or reroute around that system.

    It is being routed around else this particular reply to your reply wouldn't be happening. As for contacting the sysop that isn't an issue as last time this happened there was no problem with this node - 1:153/7001 - contacting it to point out there was obvious breakage. However that fixes nothing and the fts-0001.016 MSGs - up to and including this one - don't get beyond that particular node as well as yours and every other message whether or not they are indeed fts-0001.016 compliant, which they usually aren't. Complaining about it achieves nothing as past experience has proved many, many, many times.

    This node - 1:153/7001 - is one of the few, perhaps the only Fidonet node, that
    knows how to hack a working pktheader when a link demonstrates that it cannot handle fts-0001.016 compliant pktheader(s). I am aware of many Fidonet nodes, most in very sensitive positions, that are noncompliant and have been noncompliant for decades now.

    End transmission.

    ... Anthony's Law of Force: Don't force it, get a larger hammer.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Sun Apr 22 09:16:08 2018
    On 2018 Apr 18 15:28:46, you wrote to me:

    which uplink?

    Check the nodelist. It should be obvious.

    the nodelist doesn't list links... the only thing i might be able to determine would be your *C and they do not have to provide any mail or files other than netmail...

    probably buggy BBS or mail tosser

    Yes. However the sysop in question chose the software although given
    the situation there really isn't much of a choice.

    in a manner of speaking, you might be right... i'm slightly familiar with the software being used... i have to talk to it, too, since 715 and 7715 are direct
    uplinks and he's also a backbone star hub again...

    )\/(ark

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    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
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    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Sean Dennis on Sun Apr 22 09:21:24 2018
    On 2018 Apr 18 18:16:04, you wrote to me:

    funny how traditional "DOS-think" shite seems to work the best, eh? ;)

    Nancy posted her message from my Linux system...

    i saw that... i was more interested in maurice's comment... besides, we tease each other with that "DOS-think" thing ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to mark lewis on Sun Apr 22 16:00:49 2018
    Hey mark!

    ok, i've not seen either one here...

    I got a response on the netmail I sent to the link and it turns out for whatever reason 1:153/7001 got dropped from all the areas it was connected to.

    making sure you are connected to the area

    Great guess as it turns out. However it is unneeded as I now have the answer.

    I respectfully apologize for any grief this issue may have caused.

    send them over in a plain zip file

    Heh, heh. I haven't created a zip file in AGES. If I am not mistaken it was around 1998-ish when the local Fidonet (Nanaimo) network died.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Apr 28 00:27:50 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 17-Apr-2018 04:36 <=-

    Found this in a "dump" of messages when a sysop changed systems

    Understood. I have two paths for fidonet messaging and one of them is completely dead and has been for at least a month, but even before
    that it has been hit and miss for weeks at a time. I've gave up on it when I discovered that someone along that path is reformatting my messages. This one via your neck of the woods is VASTLY more reliable
    and never screws with messages that I've ever noticed.

    I probably forgot to change the "read" back to "unread" so that I'd find
    the message again when I went back through to packets to answer them...
    I managed to get over a week behind again... Had an urgent (and intense) project to deal with for the last week or so, and didn't do anything but download packets for later.... Fortunately I'd left this one "unread"
    and found it... <G>

    that could explain why things got so quiet

    Could be. Things aren't what they used to be that is for sure.
    However I am still here ... wherever 'here' actually is. ;-/

    I'm still here, even when quiet... just not piping up like I should
    be... <G>

    but we did just have a minor ice storm

    I heard Toronto had over a 100,000 power outages that other day due to
    it so perhaps you only caught the edge of it. Also they have been
    getting more winterish weather before this particular bout with high
    winds and icey 'rain'.

    Yes, that ice storm was much worse west of us... halfway to Buffalo got
    at least twice as much ice as we did, and Buffalo even more... I'd guess Toronto was similar to Buffalo... Where we are, the ice wasn't too
    thick and the roads weren't too treacherous... thankfully that's all
    past us now... :)

    Still nothing like the back to back storms on the east coast has been seeing so far this year from what we see of it from this angle.

    For sure... I've been very grateful that we didn't get much at all of
    all those nor'easters that hit the east coast...

    As for us, we're seeing wet, windy and cool weather
    since we last talked but have had a couple nice days of sunshine.
    Last I heard we're ontrack to have a higher than normal amount of rain this month given we're only at the halfway point.

    Dunno how we are doing with rain this month... I did see that we got
    more snow than normal over the past season, though, and double the usual
    in March alone...

    Your spring does come earlier than ours

    For sure. This spring has been cooler and wetter than average but is still better than last year and is definetly more springish than the northeast, including this year.

    Spring seems to finally be here... even though the weekend promises to
    be cool and possibly snow mixed with the rain... But my daffodils are
    blooming nicely, along with the hyacinths... :) Finally... <G>

    but the birds are back and singing

    I noticed a local male hummingbird doing it's mating dealie at the northeastern corner of my place so I figure it has a nest somewhere in
    the bushes there. I haven't located it yet and when I do I am hoping
    my neighbour will get some good pictures of it once it attracts a
    female to occupy it with a new harvest of young.

    That would be nice... :)

    Also the local quail have been less active than usual so I think they
    are getting ready to sprout soon. The females like to travel in packs with their young in between when they make the rounds, and my backyard
    is on their daily foraging route. No young yet but should see some soon.

    No quail here that I know of... that sounds like an interesting sight
    to see... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... It's Cat's house. We just pay the mortgage, buy the food.

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (1:229/452)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sat Apr 28 03:54:35 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    just not piping up like I should be... <G>

    I've noticed.

    Spring seems to finally be here... even though the weekend
    promises to be cool and possibly snow mixed with the rain...

    It's been gorgeous here over the last week, no rain, +20C highs, perfectly blue
    skies, etc. However just before the sun went down the wind picked up and there
    was a hint of chill to it. Like you it also is supposed to cool off this weekend, except not quite cool enough for snow thank goodness, with a chance of
    showers.

    No quail here that I know of... that sounds like an interesting
    sight to see... :)

    It is highly entertaining, especially with the hordes of chicks. Also they've gotten used to me so as long as I keep a safe distance they aren't spooked by me watching. One of the last times I saw them (no chicks) I noticed they had a
    spotter in the pear tree and pointed it out to the neighbour stating that is was as close to a partridge in a pear tree as we will ever get. As far as I know there are no partridges in this neck of the woods.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 248 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2383 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri May 4 17:23:18 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 28-Apr-2018 03:54 <=-

    just not piping up like I should be... <G>

    I've noticed.

    I do have some excuse... it's been a very busy month or so, so messaging
    has taken a back-burner... Hopefully things will settle down some
    now... :)

    Spring seems to finally be here... even though the weekend
    promises to be cool and possibly snow mixed with the rain...

    It's been gorgeous here over the last week, no rain, +20C highs,
    perfectly blue skies, etc. However just before the sun went down the
    wind picked up and there was a hint of chill to it. Like you it also
    is supposed to cool off this weekend, except not quite cool enough for snow thank goodness, with a chance of showers.

    We've had a few (mostly sunny) days in the 80s, a taste of summer...
    today is in the 70s and there's supposedly a thunderstorm appoaching
    this afternoon... We did have a little snow mixed in with the rain last weekend, but that should be the last of it... 60s mostly for the next
    few days, they say...

    Definitely spring though... the flowering trees are in flower, the
    forsythia is in full bloom, the daffodils and tulips and hyacinths and
    other bulbs are also... ;)

    No quail here that I know of... that sounds like an interesting
    sight to see... :)

    It is highly entertaining, especially with the hordes of chicks. Also they've gotten used to me so as long as I keep a safe distance they
    aren't spooked by me watching. One of the last times I saw them (no chicks) I noticed they had a spotter in the pear tree and pointed it
    out to the neighbour stating that is was as close to a partridge in a
    pear tree as we will ever get. As far as I know there are no
    partridges in this neck of the woods.

    None here, either... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... If absolutely everything goes wrong ... take a nap.

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (1:229/452)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sat May 5 03:44:42 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    it's been a very busy month or so, so messaging has taken a
    back-burner

    Understood. You aren't missing anything as far as I can tell.

    60s mostly for the next few days, they say...

    We're doing a tad better than that but not by much. No snow that is for sure.
    Tommorrow is supposed to be nice - ~20C-ish. Still haven't spotted any quail but the neighbour claims he heard them in the brambles the other day. No reported chicks yet but I think it is too soon and the hens are probably still sitting on eggs. I guesstimate we won't see any chicks until mid-June or thereabouts.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 241 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2376 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon May 7 20:50:02 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 05-May-2018 03:44 <=-

    it's been a very busy month or so, so messaging has taken a
    back-burner

    Understood. You aren't missing anything as far as I can tell.

    I have been reading, just not replying... I notice that you were doing
    some more experimenting again... ;)

    60s mostly for the next few days, they say...

    We're doing a tad better than that but not by much. No snow that is
    for sure. Tommorrow is supposed to be nice - ~20C-ish. Still haven't spotted any quail but the neighbour claims he heard them in the
    brambles the other day. No reported chicks yet but I think it is too
    soon and the hens are probably still sitting on eggs. I guesstimate
    we won't see any chicks until mid-June or thereabouts.

    Yup, one needs must wait for chicks to hatch... ;) The songbirds here
    are getting quite loud... and I've seen evidence of nestbuildings... ;)
    Also a hawk perched on a high light post on the expressway... Definite
    signs of spring... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... LIFE: Well, one thing led to another, and then we died.

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (1:229/452)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Nancy Backus on Tue May 8 03:06:33 2018
    Hallo Nancy!

    I notice that you were doing some more experimenting again... ;)

    Always ... as evidenced by this particular reply.

    Yup, one needs must wait for chicks to hatch...

    Just under a month from what I've heard on the subject. I think they are pretty mobile shortly after hatching. Still no sign of them as of this writing.

    Getting buzzed by multiple hummingbirds. Haven't spotted any nests as of yet but they are really hard to spot given their teeny-tiny size. I am sure there is at least one very close to my front door which is where I am getting buzzed by them as well as the bush at the northeast corner.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Tue May 8 03:59:45 2018
    Attention Maurice,

    "MSGID: 2:280/464.113 5af11439" arrived intact - no obvious DOS-think word wrapping in packed msg - along "PATH: 280/464 154/10".

    No such luck along "PATH: 280/464 770/1 393/68 261/38 153/7715" which is chock full of linefeeds that were not in the original, nor in the packed msg from the
    above listed path. Someone along this path has an inferior packer.

    End transmission.

    ... Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law:
    Half of what goes in here must come out there.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:261/38 to Little Mikey on Tue May 8 01:11:42 2018
    Hey Little Mikey!

    On this BBS, word wrapping in definetly DOS-think based in the display, but I think the packed msg will be unbounded. We'll see when you get this reply.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
    * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Maurice Kinal on Tue May 8 05:21:08 2018
    Hallo Maurice!

    On this BBS, word wrapping in definetly DOS-think based in the
    display, but I think the packed msg will be unbounded.

    The packed msg resulting from this path; "261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464", is not unbounded. I am fairly certain it isn't 261/38 and know for a fact that it isn't 280/464.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Tue May 8 05:35:29 2018
    Attention Maurice,

    On this BBS, word wrapping in definetly DOS-think based in the
    display, but I think the packed msg will be unbounded.

    You are 100% correct. Given this path; "PATH: 261/38 153/7715", it is now confirmed that neither of these nodes are doomed to the DOS-think bounded message body hell of death ... as far as adding it to messages where it didn't exist in the first place that is.

    End transmission.

    ... Anthony's Law of Force: Don't force it, get a larger hammer.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Tue May 8 05:47:41 2018
    Attention Maurice,

    On this BBS, word wrapping in definetly DOS-think based in the
    display, but I think the packed msg will be unbounded.

    Nope. It has been corrupted by the DOS-think bounded packed message hell of death. Path this time is, "PATH: 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464 154/10".

    Take your pick.

    End transmission.

    ... Newton's Little-known Seventh Law:
    A bird in the hand is safer than one overhead.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Little Mikey on Tue May 8 06:20:35 2018
    Hallo Little!

    It has been corrupted by the DOS-think bounded packed message
    hell of death.

    Shouldn't that be, DOS-think bounded packed message body hell of death? If I am not mistaken it is only the message body that is deemed unbounded by fts-0001.016. Regardless we all know that the originals were indeed unbounded and that if any of us really cared it can be narrowed down to where the corruption is occuring.

    I vote that this subject now be dropped. It is of no consequence.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Thu May 10 14:53:40 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 08-May-2018 03:06 <=-

    I notice that you were doing some more experimenting again... ;)

    Always ... as evidenced by this particular reply.

    So I see.... coming from Little Mikey's EuroPoint... ;)

    Yup, one needs must wait for chicks to hatch...

    Just under a month from what I've heard on the subject. I think they
    are pretty mobile shortly after hatching. Still no sign of them as of this writing.

    Just have to wait for them.... :)

    Getting buzzed by multiple hummingbirds. Haven't spotted any nests as
    of yet but they are really hard to spot given their teeny-tiny size.
    I am sure there is at least one very close to my front door which is
    where I am getting buzzed by them as well as the bush at the northeast corner.

    Sounds like they think you are getting too close to their nests... :)
    They probably don't realize that they are giving it away to you, and now
    you'll be tempted to look more closely... ;) Do you have an alternate
    way in/out of the house...?

    ttyl neb

    ... Borg Burgers: We do it our way; your way is irrelevant.

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (1:229/452)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Nancy Backus on Fri May 11 03:38:32 2018
    Hallo Nancy!

    Just have to wait for them.... :)

    I am sure they'll be along once they are good and ready.

    Sounds like they think you are getting too close to their nests

    In the past it was usually their food supply, such as feeders, flowers, etc. However after seeing the male showing off in the northeat corner I am almost convinced there indeed is a nest there.

    you'll be tempted to look more closely... ;)

    Not really but I have made it a point to watch the bush in question to see if I
    can spot a point of entry/departure whenever entering or leaving my abode.

    Do you have an alternate way in/out of the house...?

    Yes but it's not very convenient and probably as annoying, maybe moreso, to them. I think leaving well enough alone and having them get used to me might be the best idea all around. Also now that the bush in question has gotten more leafier I am extremely doubtful a nest and be spotted without causing way too much grief. I am content to leave Mother Nature's creatures to do their thing with minimal hassel from this particular Mother Nature's creature.

    Still haven't spotted any quail so I am convinced they are nesting somewhere in
    the neighbourhood, perhaps the brambles where the neighbour heard at least of couple of them cooing. I am sure they'll be passing by again once the latest batch is mobile as there are far too many food sources along this well trodden path for them to abandon it.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Fri May 11 06:23:50 2018
    On 2018 May 08 01:11:42, you wrote to Little Mikey:

    On this BBS, word wrapping in definetly DOS-think based in the display,
    but
    I think the packed msg will be unbounded.

    in FTN specs, "unbounded" refers to the message body *length*... it has nothing
    to do with line format... in other words, by the specification, there is no limit to the message body size... packed messages still have to be separated by
    nulls, though... if you are finding messages that left your system with no LFs on each line and they are being seein elsewhere with LFs on each line, then yes, you have found a buggy tosser in the line... one that needs to be fixed or
    removed...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Wise men make proverbs, but fools repeat them...
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:396/45 to mark lewis on Fri May 11 11:05:01 2018
    Hallo mark!

    in FTN specs, "unbounded" refers to the message body *length*...

    I stand corrected.

    packed messages still have to be separated by nulls, though...

    The fifth one when counting null terminators in a single packed message ... ignoring any false nulls within the first 14 bytes of the msg_header(s) that is.

    if you are finding messages that left your system with no LFs on
    each line and they are being seein elsewhere with LFs on each
    line, then yes, you have found a buggy tosser in the line...

    Actually it was you (and Nicholas Boel) who pointed them out to me in this particular echoarea. As far as I was concerned nothing here generates or uses them other than to seperate paragraphs. Word wrapping is left to highly capable editors such as vim. That way displays that are not DOS-think 80 columns wide such as smart phones can be deployed to their fullest extent. For
    example this particular paragraph on a 60 character wide display would look something like this;

    ----- 60 character width word wrapping starts
    Actually it was you (and Nicholas Boel) who pointed them
    out to me in this particular echoarea. As far as I was
    concerned nothing here generates or uses them other than to
    seperate paragraphs. Word wrapping is left to highly
    capable editors such as vim. That way displays that are
    not DOS-think 80 columns wide such as smart phones can be
    deployed to their fullest extent. For example this
    particular paragraph on a 60 character wide display would
    look something like this;
    ----- 60 character width word wrapping ends

    The above linefeeds should be preserved even on DOS-think crippleware given all
    the lines are less than 80 columns.

    one that needs to be fixed or removed...

    Best of luck with that. It has been a bug since forever.
    SEEN-BY: 15/0 18/200 19/25 33 36 34/999 90/1 116/18 120/544 123/140 124/5014 SEEN-BY: 124/5016 130/803 153/7715 154/10 203/0 218/700 220/60 221/0 222/2 SEEN-BY: 227/0 229/426 230/150 152 240/1120 5832 250/1 261/38 100 1466
    SEEN-BY: 266/404 512 267/155 275/100 280/464 1027 5003 282/1031 1056 291/1 SEEN-BY: 291/111 310/31 320/119 219 340/400 342/13 387/21 393/68 396/45 SEEN-BY: 423/120 712/848 770/1 801/161 189 2320/0 1 100 105 3634/12 24
    SEEN-BY: 5020/830 1042 31999/99
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Fri May 11 13:38:43 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-05-11 11:05:01, you wrote to mark lewis:

    @MSGID: 2:280/464.113 5af578dd
    @REPLY: 1:3634/12.73 5af56f37
    ...
    Best of luck with that. It has been a bug since forever.
    SEEN-BY: 154/10 203/0 221/0 229/426 240/5832 280/464 464 5003 310/31 SEEN-BY: 423/120 770/1 2320/100
    @PATH: 280/464

    No tear and origin line?

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri May 11 11:48:27 2018
    Hallo Wilfred!

    No tear and origin line?

    I caught that too late. Sorry about that. This one should be fine.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Fri May 11 11:42:14 2018
    Hey Maurice!

    Oooops! Accidently deleted the footer before sending. I am surprised it made it and am going to fix that so it won't happen in the future.

    Is my face red.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Maurice Kinal on Fri May 11 15:06:46 2018
    Hi Maurice,

    On 2018-05-11 11:48:27, you wrote to me:

    No tear and origin line?

    I caught that too late. Sorry about that. This one should be fine.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113) SEEN-BY: 154/10 203/0 221/0 229/426 240/5832 280/464 464 5003 310/31 SEEN-BY: 423/120 770/1 2320/100
    @PATH: 280/464

    Yes it is! ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Fri May 11 11:11:10 2018
    On 2018 May 11 11:05:00, you wrote to me:

    The above linefeeds should be preserved even on DOS-think crippleware
    given
    all the lines are less than 80 columns.

    they were... the path was different than you have been testing, though...

    one that needs to be fixed or removed...

    Best of luck with that. It has been a bug since forever.

    i don't think i've seen what tosser it is so word might be passed to its author... since you still seem to be hunting it, i'm guessing you don't know, yet, either...

    )\/(ark

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    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... I am not the Santa of the Internet.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to mark lewis on Fri May 11 13:28:09 2018
    Hello mark,

    11 May 18 11:11 at you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

    i don't think i've seen what tosser it is so word might be passed to
    its author... since you still seem to be hunting it, i'm guessing you don't know, yet, either...

    If the tosser has a registered FTSC product ID, you might be able to pull that from the packets in question. A long shot but something I thought of.

    Later,
    Sean

    ... That does not compute.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Limestone, TN, USA (1:18/200)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to mark lewis on Fri May 11 17:45:17 2018
    Hallo mark!

    the path was different than you have been testing, though...

    Probably. To be honest I haven't been keeping track.

    i don't think i've seen what tosser it is

    That I cannot say. All I know for certain is who it isn't and in those cases I
    mostly know what tosser they are using. Not all of them but most of them.

    As for fixing bugs, the ones produced here are the ones that I am interested in
    fixing, like the last one that inadvertently deleted what I am calling the message footer. However that one was me being a tad too heavy handed with the delete entire line function of this editor. :-/

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Sean Dennis on Fri May 11 17:57:39 2018
    Hallo Sean!

    If the tosser has a registered FTSC product ID, you might be able
    to pull that from the packets in question.

    So far it has never been the last node in the path, which is the one I am recieving pkts from. In those cases the 'damage' was already done upstream of that link.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.19(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Fri May 11 12:48:19 2018
    Re: same as it ever was
    By: Maurice Kinal to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri May 11 2018 11:48 am

    No tear and origin line?

    I caught that too late. Sorry about that. This one should be fine.

    It is, but I'm not sure the tear and origin lines are needed today although I am used to seeing them and like them there.

    I wonder about the problems you have been seeing with LFs. Have you tested against Synchronet and Mystic? I have Synchronet running now so it would not be hard to test and I have a mostly configured Mystic that could be tested with a little more configuration on my part.

    Both of those packages are still being developed so if a problem was found it could be reported and fixed (given time).

    I also wonder about the PKT files you were having a problem with, Type 2 I think? Could you send me a netmail using one of those pkt files? I'm curious if Synchronet will toss it. I'm sure it will but there is only one way to know for sure.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


    ... Did you ever stop to think, and then forget to start again?
    --- SBBSecho 3.04-Linux
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 11 20:20:05 2018
    Hallo Alan!

    Have you tested against Synchronet and Mystic?

    As of today, there are 2 links to 1:153/7001 and neither are currently using either. We might want to check with Nicholas about Synchronet as he might have
    an inside track on that. As far as Mystic goes you would know far more than I about that.

    Could you send me a netmail using one of those pkt files?

    Can do. Last time we checked you were running Mystic and I believe only 2+ pkt
    headers were doable. Currently I could send one of each, Type 2, 2+ and 2.2 via 1:153/7001 but you'll have to give me some time while I review the particular script I used to generate the three. Offhand I would guess that 2.2
    isn't compatible and have only found one node that can handle 2.2 pkts. He happens to be a link to both of us.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Little Mikey@1:153/7001 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 12 00:41:58 2018
    Attention Alan,

    I also wonder about the PKT files you were having a problem with,
    Type 2 I think?

    From this vantage point it is almost everyone who has issues with Type 2 other than 1:153/7001 and 1:154/10. For the record 1:153/7001 can handle Type 2, 2+ and 2.2 pkt headers as well as Little Mikey's EuroPoint. As for the EuroPoint's bossnode, only Type 2+ headers have been deployed due to the pointiness of that connection. Also that is an independent machine to 1:153/7001. Also, also it has been established that 1:153/7715 can handle Type
    2+ and 2.2 but not Type 2 pkt headers.

    Could you send me a netmail using one of those pkt files?

    All 3 - Type 2, 2+ and 2.2 - have been sent directly to 1:153/757 from 1:153/7001 each individually wrapped in it's own yummy pkt type goodness for easy identification.

    End transmission.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Little Mikey on Sat May 12 01:26:21 2018
    Hallo Little!

    As for the EuroPoint's bossnode, only Type 2+ headers have been
    deployed due to the pointiness of that connection.

    Consider this reply as confirmation.

    Also that is an independent machine to 1:153/7001.

    -={ uname -a }=-
    Linux lilmikey 4.16.7 #1 SMP Sun May 6 18:12:52 UTC 2018 x86_64 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

    Not the latest kernel but close enough. Too many objtool warnings to upgrade to 4.16.8 which I am positive you can confirm. You have a beefier cpu for experimenting with so-called kernel upgrades.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 12 01:53:32 2018
    Hey Maurice!

    -={ uname -a }=-
    Linux lilmikey 4.16.7 #1 SMP Sun May 6 18:12:52 UTC 2018 x86_64 Intel(R)
    Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

    Note that I didn't bother word wrapping the above quote just to demonstrate that it arrived intact, but you already know that don't you?

    -={ uname -a }=-
    Linux mikey 4.16.8 #1 SMP Wed May 9 08:40:38 UTC 2018 x86_64 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU C2758 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

    As shown above we are using different machines.

    You have a beefier cpu for experimenting with so-called kernel
    upgrades.

    Indeed. Double the penguins on bootup as well. I won't even mention the difference in quantity and quality of memory. Mind you taking affordability into account, you definetly have the advantage. Also to your advantage is uptime in a power outage given power consumption from a 12VDC backup battery.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 12 02:28:08 2018
    Hallo Maurice!

    Note that I didn't bother word wrapping the above quote

    It got buggered up somewhere between here and there.

    Double the penguins on bootup as well.

    That is nice. I vote we double it again with an eight core, two threads per core, Xeon D series, which if I do the math correctly adds up to 16 penguins on
    bootup. If we wait until next year we might evn find a suitable 10nm jobber. I think those will be called Ice Lake and noticed there is already optimizations for them in gcc-8. ;-)

    Also to your advantage is uptime in a power outage given power
    consumption from a 12VDC backup battery.

    If that is our only concern then I believe the Rock64 we are contemplating adding to the mix here would most definetly win in that category. Mind you only four penguins on bootup but then again so is this one ... not to mention at far greater power consumption ... nevermind purchase price and runtime costs. Offhand I think the Rock64 might be a winner with 4G of DDR3, which is exactly what this machine is limited to.

    On the other hand, 16 penguins on bootup with 128G of ECC DDR4 is EXTREMELY tempting despite the fact that we can't afford it. Given that, power consumption and runtime costs are moot points. :::sigh:::

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Sean Dennis on Sat May 12 01:29:56 2018
    On 2018 May 11 13:28:08, you wrote to me:

    i don't think i've seen what tosser it is so word might be passed to
    its author... since you still seem to be hunting it, i'm guessing you
    don't know, yet, either...

    If the tosser has a registered FTSC product ID, you might be able to
    pull that from the packets in question. A long shot but something I thought of.

    that's very true... the problem is to figure out which system it is with the problem... as i understand it, there's two mystic systems in the questionable path... don't know what tossers they are using, though... i think maurice has been able to eliminate other systems in that path but i haven't been keeping up
    with his tracking...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 12 01:34:42 2018
    On 2018 May 11 17:45:16, you wrote to me:

    the path was different than you have been testing, though...

    Probably. To be honest I haven't been keeping track.

    i know it was or i would not have mentioned it...

    @PATH: 280/464 154/10 3634/12

    i don't think i've seen what tosser it is

    That I cannot say. All I know for certain is who it isn't and in
    those cases I mostly know what tosser they are using. Not all of them
    but most of them.

    as just noted in another post, from what i have seen, you're down to two systems... one in Z1 and one in Z3... both run mystic but i don't know what tossers they are using and i don't know what versions of mystic...

    As for fixing bugs, the ones produced here are the ones that I am interested in fixing, like the last one that inadvertently deleted
    what I am calling the message footer. However that one was me being a
    tad too heavy handed with the delete entire line function of this
    editor. :-/

    yeah, i saw that and deleted my respons(es) because you had already been notified about the oops...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to mark lewis on Sat May 12 08:23:09 2018
    Hallo mark!

    you're down to two systems... one in Z1 and one in Z3

    I believe that is correct. I'd have to look it up on the node to confirm but that can be readily done if needed.

    both run mystic

    That I don't know for certain as I have never had direct exchanges with them. I have seen posts from them in the past but that was far too many messages ago.
    Doesn't the Z3 one run the so-called Raspberry Pi echoarea that mostly resembles a newsgroup? :::shudder:::

    I have that one turned on in Prism but am only lurking there. I am avoiding turning it on both the EuroPoint as well as the Brain.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 12 05:01:10 2018
    Re: same as it ever was
    By: Maurice Kinal to Alan Ianson on Fri May 11 2018 08:20 pm

    As of today, there are 2 links to 1:153/7001 and neither are currently using either. We might want to check with Nicholas about Synchronet as he might have an inside track on that. As far as Mystic goes you would know far more than I about that.

    Nicholas Is very knowledgeable when it comes to Synchronet, and Mystic too if I'm not mistaken. I haven't seen him around the echoes in a while.

    Could you send me a netmail using one of those pkt files?

    Can do. Last time we checked you were running Mystic and I believe only 2+ pkt headers were doable. Currently I could send one of each, Type 2, 2+ and 2.2 via 1:153/7001 but you'll have to give me some time while I review the particular script I used to generate the three. Offhand I would guess that 2.2 isn't compatible and have only found one node that can handle 2.2 pkts. He happens to be a link to both of us.

    I recieved Three of them a short while ago so they tossed OK. :)

    I'm going to see what the log says and I'll netmail you a reply. Thanks.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 12 05:07:31 2018
    Re: same as it ever was
    By: Maurice Kinal to mark lewis on Sat May 12 2018 08:23 am

    Doesn't the Z3 one run the so-called Raspberry Pi echoarea that mostly resembles a newsgroup? :::shudder:::

    Yes, but all that comes from Fmail on the fido side.

    I read a post from a fido node this morning before I left for work in that area, a question I have been wondering about myself. When I got home there were 5 or so thoughtful replies. It's not all bad.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 12 15:45:18 2018
    Hallo Alan!

    Nicholas Is very knowledgeable when it comes to Synchronet, and
    Mystic too if I'm not mistaken. I haven't seen him around the
    echoes in a while.

    Neither have I. Last time I did it was in this echo.

    I recieved Three of them a short while ago so they tossed OK. :)

    Excellent. Definetly good to know if and when the issue of supported pkt types
    rears it's ugly head in the future.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 12 15:51:03 2018
    Hallo Alan!

    Yes, but all that comes from Fmail on the fido side.

    Could be. All I see is the tearline and it claims "SoupGate-Win32 v1.05" for the mostpart.

    I read a post from a fido node this morning before I left for
    work in that area, a question I have been wondering about myself.
    When I got home there were 5 or so thoughtful replies. It's not
    all bad.. :)

    It's not the content, it's the formatting that sucks methinks. Lately the subject is the micro SD cards and write cycles which is a very good topic. Personally I dislike SD cards and am interested in the performance of the Rock64's USB3 port for use as hotswapping 2.5" SDDs and maybe even regular 2.5"
    spinney drives. A powered USB3 hub might be an excellent addition to a Rock64 and thus making it even more attractive than a raspi then it already is.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Maurice Kinal on Sat May 12 15:47:45 2018
    Re: same as it ever was
    By: Maurice Kinal to Alan Ianson on Sat May 12 2018 03:51 pm

    It's not the content, it's the formatting that sucks methinks.

    That's true, lines that go half way across the screen with just ">>>>>..." can make it hard to read.

    A powered USB3 hub might be an excellent addition to a Rock64 and thus making it even more attractive than a raspi then it already is.

    I'll have to look at the Rock64. I have been looking at Pi's but haven't got one yet.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 12 23:40:50 2018
    Hallo Alan!

    That's true, lines that go half way across the screen with just
    ">>>>>..." can make it hard to read.

    That can and does happen in echoareas but I am more willing to overlook it given that there is at least the opportunity for gems that are without equal in
    Fidonet echoareas.

    I'll have to look at the Rock64. I have been looking at Pi's but
    haven't got one yet.

    raspis are okay, cheaper and are by far with greater support but then are extremely limiting developmentally speaking. I did have a raspi here not too long ago but once I built my own pure 64 bit linux-gnu quickly outgrew it. Plus I didn't like having to ass a swap partition to overcome the lack of memory that is required by said 64 bit development host. Swap greatly reduces the life expectancy of microSD cards. In comparison a rock64 can be had with 4G pf DDR3 which should be more than enough for said arm64 based development system with zero swap space thereby greatly enhancing life expectancy. Also with a USB3 port tyhe opportunity for expansion to hotswappable external storage is GREATLY enhanced. So despite the additional cost, the opportunities
    far outweigh the additional costs ... or so it would seem.

    As of this writing, the above is unknown and is pure speculation on my part, but I do know that a raspi falls short of what I want/require out of such a thing. Also I am in no particular rush to find out given the working x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu I have at my disposal as we speak. The EuroPoint has never had it so good. ;-)

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Sun May 13 00:50:46 2018
    Hey Maurice!

    opportunity for gems that are without equal in Fidonet echoareas.

    Hear, hear! I couldn't have said that better myself.

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.

    Indeed. It's like we are of one mind.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Wed May 30 17:42:58 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 11-May-2018 03:38 <=-

    So, I wondered why you hadn't responded to my last message, and
    discovered now that you had, but that not only had I not left it
    unmarked for Read, but I'd also forgotten to Save it... guess things
    were too crazy that day.... ;) But I've gone searching and found
    this... so back to normal, I suppose... ;)

    Just have to wait for them.... :)

    I am sure they'll be along once they are good and ready.

    And have the chicks hatched yet...?

    Sounds like they think you are getting too close to their nests

    In the past it was usually their food supply, such as feeders,
    flowers, etc. However after seeing the male showing off in the
    northeat corner I am almost convinced there indeed is a nest there.

    And hummingbirds are so tiny it's hard to see their nests anyway... :)

    you'll be tempted to look more closely... ;)

    Not really but I have made it a point to watch the bush in question to
    see if I can spot a point of entry/departure whenever entering or
    leaving my abode.

    Did you find such...?

    Do you have an alternate way in/out of the house...?

    Yes but it's not very convenient and probably as annoying, maybe
    moreso, to them. I think leaving well enough alone and having them
    get used to me might be the best idea all around. Also now that the
    bush in question has gotten more leafier I am extremely doubtful a
    nest and be spotted without causing way too much grief. I am content
    to leave Mother Nature's creatures to do their thing with minimal
    hassel from this particular Mother Nature's creature.

    Guess that's the best way then... Have they become more used to you...?

    Still haven't spotted any quail so I am convinced they are nesting somewhere in the neighbourhood, perhaps the brambles where the
    neighbour heard at least of couple of them cooing. I am sure they'll
    be passing by again once the latest batch is mobile as there are far
    too many food sources along this well trodden path for them to abandon
    it.

    Sounds likely that they are nesting, then.... and in due time, you'll
    see the chick procession... ;)

    And from an earlier conversation, I had occasion yesterday to be in a
    liquor store, and took at gander at the scotch selections, just on
    general principles... not in the market to buy at the moment... ;) I
    noticed the Glenlivet Founders Reserve on the shelf... priced slightly
    below the fifth of Glenlivet 12... There was an open space where the
    shelf tag said 1 liter Glenlivet 12, and next to that, a slot where
    there were 1.75 liter boxed bottles of Glenlivet 12, for a bit over
    $100... I suppose that if one were likely to drink something like that
    more frequently than I do, that the last could be a good deal... but
    still a fair bit more than I'd wish to be dropping at one time... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Thu May 31 05:59:33 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    And have the chicks hatched yet...?

    Not that I've seen. I am predicting mid June before they show themselves, or at least the quail and their chicks. Also I haven't seen any humingbirds within the last couple of weeks, male or female. I am not sure this is a good or bad sign.

    And hummingbirds are so tiny it's hard to see their nests
    anyway... :)

    From what I've seen of pictures of their nests they would indeed be near impossible to spot, especially in the bush in question. I haven't seen any activity there since the male was doing it's mating ritual way back when. I am
    not sure if he decided to move on to greener pastures, sort of speak.

    Sounds likely that they are nesting, then.... and in due time,
    you'll see the chick procession... ;)

    They haven't failed me yet. I give it another couple of weeks.

    and took at gander at the scotch selections

    I haven't done that since checking out the price of the local (Campbell River) single malt. As you can see below there is plenty of time.

    there were 1.75 liter boxed bottles of Glenlivet 12, for a bit
    over $100...

    The largest size they carry here is 750ml. Given the size and accounting for the exchange rate 100 USD sounds about right. However I agree with you about dropping that much at one time and would probably stick to the 750ml size. Maybe this time I'll try the Glenlivet Founders Reserve if the local store is carrying this time around. We'll see I am sure.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jun 1 18:04:10 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 31-May-2018 05:59 <=-

    And have the chicks hatched yet...?

    Not that I've seen. I am predicting mid June before they show
    themselves, or at least the quail and their chicks.

    Mid June would make sense... :)

    Also I haven't seen any humingbirds within the last couple of weeks,
    male or female. I am not sure this is a good or bad sign.

    Probably nothing to worry about... I'd guess they are tending the
    nest... and not venturing out much... maybe more in the evening for
    insects...? I don't suppose you have one of those sugar water feeders
    set out for them...?

    And hummingbirds are so tiny it's hard to see their nests
    anyway... :)

    From what I've seen of pictures of their nests they would indeed be
    near impossible to spot, especially in the bush in question. I
    haven't seen any activity there since the male was doing it's mating ritual way back when. I am not sure if he decided to move on to
    greener pastures, sort of speak.

    Or they just aren't making such a splash at the moment...

    and took at gander at the scotch selections

    I haven't done that since checking out the price of the local
    (Campbell River) single malt. As you can see below there is plenty of time.

    True... and I don't expect to need to actually purchase anything in the meantime,. or even for... ;)

    there were 1.75 liter boxed bottles of Glenlivet 12, for a bit
    over $100...

    The largest size they carry here is 750ml. Given the size and
    accounting for the exchange rate 100 USD sounds about right. However
    I agree with you about dropping that much at one time and would
    probably stick to the 750ml size. Maybe this time I'll try the
    Glenlivet Founders Reserve if the local store is carrying this time around. We'll see I am sure.

    I believe a friend of mine had occasion to try the Founders Reserve, and
    wasn't particularly impressed with it... And from reading the box, I
    didn't see any reason to consider purchasing it, even in the future...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jun 2 03:00:21 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Mid June would make sense... :)

    That is based on roughly four weeks and change since I last spotted them doing their usual foraging routine.

    and not venturing out much

    Maybe. I did see a bright red one (male) in the back just the other evening so
    your assessment might have some truth to it. It didn't buzz me and appeared to
    be concentrating on other things, such as chasing down an insect that my eyes couldn't pick up on. They sure are speedy little critters.

    I don't suppose you have one of those sugar water feeders set out
    for them...?

    Almost all the neighbours have them so the local hummingbirds are more than looked after that way. Also there are more than enough wild roses etc. that are in bloom so there are natural sources of nectar. However we just went through a record dry May so I might have to pick up the slack this year. We'll
    see.

    I don't expect to need to actually purchase anything in the
    meantime

    Same here. Maybe late November, and given;

    I believe a friend of mine had occasion to try the Founders
    Reserve, and wasn't particularly impressed with it...

    Okay. Thanks for the heads up. Given the price differential between it and 12yo I'll more than likely stick to the 12yo.

    And from reading the box, I didn't see any reason to consider
    purchasing it, even in the future...

    Same here except the lower cost initially was an attraction. I am glad we discussed it as it wasn't all that much cheaper so the extra couple of dollars is probably worth dishing out in this case. I'll more than likely wait until late November before taking the plunge so there is plenty of time. However I don't want to wait too long since they tend to sell out of Glenlivet just before Christmas and I'll have to settle for a substitution that I'd rather not.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Jun 4 19:57:12 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 02-Jun-2018 03:00 <=-

    Mid June would make sense... :)

    That is based on roughly four weeks and change since I last spotted
    them doing their usual foraging routine.

    You'll have to let us know when you do spot the chicks out and about...

    and not venturing out much

    Maybe. I did see a bright red one (male) in the back just the other evening so your assessment might have some truth to it. It didn't
    buzz me and appeared to be concentrating on other things, such as
    chasing down an insect that my eyes couldn't pick up on. They sure
    are speedy little critters.

    That they are.... :)

    I don't suppose you have one of those sugar water feeders set out
    for them...?

    Almost all the neighbours have them so the local hummingbirds are more than looked after that way. Also there are more than enough wild
    roses etc. that are in bloom so there are natural sources of nectar. However we just went through a record dry May so I might have to pick
    up the slack this year. We'll see.

    Maybe at least water the wild roses....? ;)

    I don't expect to need to actually purchase anything in the
    meantime

    Same here. Maybe late November, and given;
    I believe a friend of mine had occasion to try the Founders
    Reserve, and wasn't particularly impressed with it...

    Okay. Thanks for the heads up. Given the price differential between
    it and 12yo I'll more than likely stick to the 12yo.

    If you really want to try it, I would'nt stop you... <G> But I've
    pretty much figured it's just a ploy.... ;)

    And from reading the box, I didn't see any reason to consider
    purchasing it, even in the future...

    Same here except the lower cost initially was an attraction. I am
    glad we discussed it as it wasn't all that much cheaper so the extra couple of dollars is probably worth dishing out in this case.

    I'd be more inclined to get a 10yo Glenlivet over the Founders Reserve, actually... ;)

    I'll more than likely wait until late November before taking the plunge
    so there is plenty of time. However I don't want to wait too long since they tend to sell out of Glenlivet just before Christmas and I'll have
    to settle for a substitution that I'd rather not.

    That sounds like late November is good timing then, for sure... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Tue Jun 5 03:01:58 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    You'll have to let us know when you do spot the chicks out and
    about...

    I'll do better than that and put some pictures up for grabs. The neighbour has
    all the professional photography stuff and takes some excellent wildlife pictures. I am sure he has some from previous years of quails with chicks but we'll get a fresh supply from this years crop.

    Maybe at least water the wild roses....?

    No need to yet. We got some rain today and are expecting more. Hopefully we don't end up with watering restrictions. It was a record dry May this year.

    I'd be more inclined to get a 10yo Glenlivet over the Founders
    Reserve, actually... ;)

    I've never seen a 10yo. 12 and up and usually just 12yo Glenlivet. Last year was different though with the Founders and the 18yo at the local store. I had to go to Nanaimo to get the 15yo. This year I'll stick to the standard 12yo unless something extrodinary happens in the meantime. Definetly enough time between now and 2019-01-01. Speaking of which Little Mikey is still locked and
    loaded for Sept. 24th. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 210 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2345 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jun 7 22:49:02 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 05-Jun-2018 03:01 <=-

    You'll have to let us know when you do spot the chicks out and
    about...

    I'll do better than that and put some pictures up for grabs. The neighbour has all the professional photography stuff and takes some excellent wildlife pictures. I am sure he has some from previous
    years of quails with chicks but we'll get a fresh supply from this
    years crop.

    Those should be interesting... :)

    Maybe at least water the wild roses....?

    No need to yet. We got some rain today and are expecting more.
    Hopefully we don't end up with watering restrictions. It was a record
    dry May this year.

    Rain is a better waterer anyway... ;) As long as you get enough of
    it... ;) I don't think we had a dry May here... we did seem to be
    getting enough May showers that I was reworking the proverb to June
    flowers... ;)

    I'd be more inclined to get a 10yo Glenlivet over the Founders
    Reserve, actually... ;)

    I've never seen a 10yo. 12 and up and usually just 12yo Glenlivet.

    I've seen it from time to time, with both Glenlivet and Macallan...

    Last year was different though with the Founders and the 18yo at the
    local store. I had to go to Nanaimo to get the 15yo.

    And do you have any of that left now...? ;)

    This year I'll stick to the standard 12yo unless something
    extraordinary happens in the meantime. Definetly enough time between
    now and 2019-01-01.

    I'll probably still have plenty of the 12yo I bought last year... :)

    Speaking of which Little Mikey is still locked and loaded for
    Sept. 24th. :-)

    Of which, I seem to be drawing a blank... another countdown...?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jun 8 03:26:48 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Those should be interesting...

    You will be the first to know.

    Rain is a better waterer anyway...

    Agreed. So far June has been cool and somewhat wet. May was hot and dry. The
    flowers don't seem to be suffering any.

    I've seen it from time to time, with both Glenlivet and Macallan

    I have a Macallan 10yo I bought awhile back. It was about 10 CAD more than the
    12yo Glenlivet.

    And do you have any of that left now...? ;)

    No. The 'hiding in plain sight' idea didn't work. Another good theory bites the dust. However it definetly was enjoyed by all who partook. I don't regret
    buying it but I don't plan on repeating ... or at least not before 2024 and probably not even then. We'll see.

    Of which, I seem to be drawing a blank... another countdown...?

    Sept 24 is when '99 bottles of beer' becomes official for the Jan. 1st cybertoast. For Nov. 5th it is sometime late July but we shouldn't see that kick in until July 2024, which if I am not mistaken should be 2243 days from now (2342-99). Doing the math and pumping the result into 'date' gives us 'Mon
    Jul 29 00:00:00 UTC 2024' or 2024-07-29 in cybertoast-speak. I haven't verified it but it looks about right.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 207 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2342 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jun 8 04:09:57 2018
    Hallo Maurice!

    2024-07-29 in cybertoast-speak

    Actually the calculation should have been (2342-100) and not (2342-99). Therefore the countdown kicks in on 2024-07-28 which makes 2024-11-05 the 'No more bottles of beer on the wall' day as it should be. See below for additional verification;

    -={ cal -n5 7 2024 }=-
    July 2024 August 2024 September 2024
    Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
    1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
    7 8 9 10 11 12 13 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
    14 15 16 17 18 19 20 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
    21 22 23 24 25 26 27 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
    28 29 30 31 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 29 30

    October 2024 November 2024
    Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
    1 2 3 4 5 1 2
    6 7 8 9 10 11 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
    13 14 15 16 17 18 19 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
    20 21 22 23 24 25 26 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
    27 28 29 30 31 24 25 26 27 28 29 30

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jun 8 06:04:16 2018
    Hey Maurice!

    Actually the calculation should have been (2342-100) and not
    (2342-99).

    No. My first calculation is correct and 2024-07-29 is the '99 bottles of beer on the wall' day, which makes 2024-11-05 the 'No more bottles of beer on the wall' day as it should be. Also your handy-dandy calendar confirms my calaculation. As a follow up here is the '99 bottles of beer on the wall' calendar for 2019-01-01;

    -={ cal -n5 9 2018 }=-
    September 2018 October 2018 November 2018
    Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
    1 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3
    2 3 4 5 6 7 8 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    9 10 11 12 13 14 15 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
    16 17 18 19 20 21 22 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
    23 24 25 26 27 28 29 28 29 30 31 25 26 27 28 29 30
    30
    December 2018 January 2019
    Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
    1 1 2 3 4 5
    2 3 4 5 6 7 8 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
    9 10 11 12 13 14 15 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
    16 17 18 19 20 21 22 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
    23 24 25 26 27 28 29 27 28 29 30 31
    30 31

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jun 8 06:33:04 2018
    Hallo Maurice!

    As a follow up here is the '99 bottles of beer on the wall'
    calendar

    Sweet. 'cal' is definetly a keeper.

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

    ... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.23(1)-release (x86_64-bonnell-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Jun 9 18:50:22 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 08-Jun-2018 03:26 <=-

    Those should be interesting...

    You will be the first to know.

    OK.

    Rain is a better waterer anyway...

    Agreed. So far June has been cool and somewhat wet. May was hot and
    dry. The flowers don't seem to be suffering any.

    Seem to be doing ok here, too... :)

    I've seen it from time to time, with both Glenlivet and Macallan
    I have a Macallan 10yo I bought awhile back. It was about 10 CAD more than the 12yo Glenlivet.

    Prices do seem to vary... :)

    And do you have any of that left now...? ;)

    No. The 'hiding in plain sight' idea didn't work. Another good
    theory bites the dust. However it definetly was enjoyed by all who partook. I don't regret buying it but I don't plan on repeating ...

    At least you had help... ;) I still think you should have tucked it
    away... <G> I shared my bottle with my brother when he was up in April,
    but I still have most of it left... :)

    or at least not before 2024 and probably not even then. We'll see.

    All depends on what is available then, and what takes your fancy... :)

    Of which, I seem to be drawing a blank... another countdown...?

    Sept 24 is when '99 bottles of beer' becomes official for the Jan. 1st cybertoast.

    Oh, right... that WAS trying to niggle at me... ;)

    For Nov. 5th it is sometime late July but we shouldn't
    see that kick in until July 2024, which if I am not mistaken should be 2243 days from now (2342-99). Doing the math and pumping the result
    into 'date' gives us 'Mon Jul 29 00:00:00 UTC 2024' or 2024-07-29 in cybertoast-speak. I haven't verified it but it looks about right.

    Yup... looks about right....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jun 10 13:11:17 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Oh, right... that WAS trying to niggle at me... ;)

    I noticed when doing a search for a different countdown that '99 bottles of beer' generated many progamming examples hits. It appears to be an excellent tutorial for many different languages. However what sets aside our '99 bottles
    of beer' from the pack is the one verse per day generator as well as it being married to a messaging forum. Also it occurred to me after posting the two different '99 bottles of beer' calendars that there could be multiple spinoff opportunities at our fingertips, the tagline in the footer of my replies to you
    being a prime example.

    Just a thought. :::evil grin:::

    Anyhow I still cannot find a better countdown for this particular idea.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 205 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2340 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jun 13 15:19:10 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 10-Jun-2018 13:11 <=-

    I noticed when doing a search for a different countdown that '99
    bottles of beer' generated many progamming examples hits. It appears
    to be an excellent tutorial for many different languages. However
    what sets aside our '99 bottles of beer' from the pack is the one
    verse per day generator as well as it being married to a messaging
    forum.

    I suppose that does set it somewhat apart... ;)

    Also it occurred to me after posting the two different '99
    bottles of beer' calendars that there could be multiple spinoff opportunities at our fingertips, the tagline in the footer of my
    replies to you being a prime example.
    Just a thought. :::evil grin:::

    You do always have such evil thoughts.... ;)

    Anyhow I still cannot find a better countdown for this particular
    idea.

    After all, when all that nasty beer is gone, one can bring out the good
    stuff and toast the occasion with a nice single malt scotch... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... On the other hand, you have different fingers.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Thu Jun 14 03:18:45 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    I suppose that does set it somewhat apart...

    The only alternative to beer I've seen is '99 bottles of pop' but then with all
    the sugar in pop, beer just might be more politically correct these days nevermind more healthy than pop. Bottomline for our cause is that it is still starting out at 99 so I'm inclined to go with the more traditional beer, unless
    of course we can come up with a better countdown.

    You do always have such evil thoughts

    Definetly bad to the bone.

    toast the occasion with a nice single malt scotch

    That is still the goal.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 201 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2336 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Jun 16 16:17:12 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 14-Jun-2018 03:18 <=-

    The only alternative to beer I've seen is '99 bottles of pop' but then with all the sugar in pop, beer just might be more politically correct these days nevermind more healthy than pop.

    If it were sugar instead of the HFCS that is most common in pop, it
    would be probably no worse than beer, and to my mouth, much tastier...
    but I avoid the HFCS nowadays...

    Bottomline for our cause is that it is still starting out at 99 so
    I'm inclined to go with the more traditional beer, unless of course
    we can come up with a better countdown.

    I'll try to give it some thought... maybe a brainstorm will hit... :)

    You do always have such evil thoughts

    Definetly bad to the bone.

    And you enjoy it... ;)

    toast the occasion with a nice single malt scotch

    That is still the goal.

    But of course... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... A little boredom in your life is seldom fatal.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jun 17 02:57:56 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    If it were sugar instead of the HFCS

    I'll have to take your word on it. I don't drink pop or beer at the moment but
    if my choice was limited to one or the other I think i'd go with beer.

    I'll try to give it some thought... maybe a brainstorm will hit

    Sounds like a plan. We have 99 days to come up with something before the current Little Mikey robotized countdown kicks off.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 198 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2333 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Jun 26 23:33:42 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 17-Jun-2018 02:57 <=-

    If it were sugar instead of the HFCS

    I'll have to take your word on it. I don't drink pop or beer at the moment but if my choice was limited to one or the other I think i'd go with beer.

    At this point, I'd probably go with water... I've never liked beer,
    probably never will, it's the hops in it... and pop usually has HFCS
    nowadays, which has proven to be not so good for my body....

    I'll try to give it some thought... maybe a brainstorm will hit

    Sounds like a plan. We have 99 days to come up with something before
    the current Little Mikey robotized countdown kicks off.

    Does it have to be one syllable....? ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Jun 27 12:47:00 2018
    Nancy,

    At this point, I'd probably go with water... I've never liked beer,

    I'll take 2 liters of flavored water a day over beer, as I never
    cared for alcoholic beverages myself. While beer is a diuretic, if I get bloated, I'll take some Lasix...then prepare to spend the day near the
    toilet.

    Daryl

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jun 27 17:59:15 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    At this point, I'd probably go with water...

    I'll take mine neat ... the single malt that is. Beer? I like beer but don't drink it much these days. However it still remains locked and loaded as the countdown in Little Mikey's Brain and I see we're down to 89 days as of this writing. As they say, time's a wastin' ... whoever they are.

    Does it have to be one syllable....?

    Errrrr ... not really sure what 'it' is but I'll take a chance and say no it doesn't have to be one syllable. In fact I'm willing to say, "The more the merrier! Bring `em on!"

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 188 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2323 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jun 28 17:03:54 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 27-Jun-2018 17:59 <=-

    At this point, I'd probably go with water...

    I'll take mine neat ... the single malt that is.

    Oh, I take mine neat, too... I was talking about water as a beverage,
    not as something to sip and savor, as a single malt... :)

    Beer? I like beer but don't drink it much these days. However it
    still remains locked and loaded as the countdown in Little Mikey's
    Brain and I see we're down to 89 days as of this writing. As they
    say, time's a wastin' ... whoever they are.

    We are getting there... ;)

    Does it have to be one syllable....?

    Errrrr ... not really sure what 'it' is but I'll take a chance and say
    no it doesn't have to be one syllable. In fact I'm willing to say,
    "The more the merrier! Bring `em on!"

    'It' is the word to replace 'beer' in the countdown... ;) So, if it
    doesn't have to be one syllable, like beer, one could use, say, 'water'
    or even 'single malt', although the latter is highly unlikely... I'd not
    want to drink a bottle a day of the single malt, tasty as it is... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Daryl Stout on Thu Jun 28 17:12:54 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to NANCY BACKUS on 27-Jun-2018 12:47 <=-

    At this point, I'd probably go with water... I've never liked beer,

    I'll take 2 liters of flavored water a day over beer, as I never
    cared for alcoholic beverages myself.

    I drink the flavored water, too... but not to that degree.... probably
    2-3, maybe 4, 12-oz cans a day....

    While beer is a diuretic, if I get bloated, I'll take some Lasix...
    then prepare to spend the day near the toilet.

    I just try not to get bloated... I don't use the lasix at all... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... I guess I have disposable income. I sure dispose of it fast.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jun 29 06:11:45 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    I was talking about water as a beverage

    That works for me.

    I'd not want to drink a bottle a day of the single malt, tasty as
    it is

    Not to mention cost. Perhaps that is why it is "99 bottles of beer on the wall" rather than "99 bottles of single malt scotch on the wall"? Also the song doesn't specify the rate of removal and passage of said bottles so cost would be a very serious consideration given the rate of the singing of the entire song. Mind you they are being passed around which implies multiple consumers.

    Hopefully cost is being shared.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 186 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2321 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Jun 29 20:36:00 2018
    Nancy,

    I drink the flavored water, too... but not to that degree.... probably NB>2-3, maybe 4, 12-oz cans a day....

    Whatever I can do to prevent kidney stones...that catheter is a curse.

    I just try not to get bloated... I don't use the lasix at all... ;)

    It's rare that I get to that point. But, if I'm going to use it, I
    make sure I'm not going anywhere on errands...except back and forth to
    the bathroom. :P

    ... I guess I have disposable income. I sure dispose of it fast.

    You got that right!!

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Jul 2 00:35:10 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 29-Jun-2018 06:11 <=-

    I was talking about water as a beverage
    That works for me.
    I'd not want to drink a bottle a day of the single malt, tasty as
    it is

    Not to mention cost. Perhaps that is why it is "99 bottles of beer on
    the wall" rather than "99 bottles of single malt scotch on the wall"?

    Quite probably figures into it...

    Also the song doesn't specify the rate of removal and passage of said bottles so cost would be a very serious consideration given the rate
    of the singing of the entire song. Mind you they are being passed
    around which implies multiple consumers.
    Hopefully cost is being shared.

    One would certainly hope... Of course, the song normally wouldn't be
    sung over the course of one bottle per day, so the bottles of beer might
    be taken down more quickly... and there one would also hope that the
    cost was shared as well as the beer... (except of course, I'd not be
    sharing the beer, since I find the taste of it totally nasty...)

    Maybe we could use bottles of water on the wall...? Those are less
    objectable to me than beer.... and certainly cost less.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Mon Jul 2 17:34:57 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    since I find the taste of it totally nasty

    Like everything, there is beer and then there is beer.

    Maybe we could use bottles of water on the wall

    It seems to me the original concern wasn't about the bottled beverage but instead the threat of 98 days of countdown where all that changes is the number
    of bottles, with only the last two days offering some variation - "1 bottle of beer on the wall" and "Go to the store and buy some more" on the 0 bottle day.
    Given the previous 98 days I doubt that is enough to placate anyone who would object being subjected to the months of daily annoyance. I seriously doubt that bottles of water are going to be much less objectionable to those who will
    potentionally object.

    For example something like the "The 12 Days of Christmas" might be more acceptable given it is only 12 days instead of 100 and has more variety in the offerings per day. Having said that I don't believe "The 12 Days of Christmas"
    is appropriate for the occasion in question but it is a very good example of a countdown song.

    Speaking for myself, who took the time to program the routine, I am inclined to
    leave well enough alone including the bottled beer which is traditional as far as the original song is concerned, although I did find one reference where pop was an acceptable substitution. Personally I don't agree but then again I have
    no claim whatsoever for "99 Bottles of Beer". Probably the best source of information is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Bottles_of_Beer especially the section labelled "Mathematically inspired variants". However it still lacks any suggestion for a reduction in duration of the potential annoyance in the Little Mikey's Brain implimentation.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Cybertoasts of note:
    2019-01-01 is 183 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
    2024-11-05 is 2318 days from now and falls on a Tuesday.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jul 4 21:28:12 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 02-Jul-2018 17:34 <=-

    since I find the taste of it totally nasty

    Like everything, there is beer and then there is beer.

    That's what my brothers kept saying... as I rejected one more of the
    supposedly much better beers... I really really don't like the hops in
    beer... the only "beer" I've been able to tolerate has been Smithwicks,
    which apparently has no hops in it... actually drank a good 2-3 oz of
    that last year... :)

    Maybe we could use bottles of water on the wall

    It seems to me the original concern wasn't about the bottled beverage
    but instead the threat of 98 days of countdown where all that changes
    is the number of bottles, with only the last two days offering some variation - "1 bottle of beer on the wall" and "Go to the store and
    buy some more" on the 0 bottle day. Given the previous 98 days I
    doubt that is enough to placate anyone who would object being
    subjected to the months of daily annoyance. I seriously doubt that bottles of water are going to be much less objectionable to those who
    will potentionally object.

    Oh, I don't know... the only objection I've heard so far in the echo was
    to the beer (and it wasn't even me)... ;)

    For example something like the "The 12 Days of Christmas" might be
    more acceptable given it is only 12 days instead of 100 and has more variety in the offerings per day. Having said that I don't believe
    "The 12 Days of Christmas" is appropriate for the occasion in question
    but it is a very good example of a countdown song.

    Agreed that it isn't all that appropriate for the occasion, since in the
    2024 case we're going to a Nov date, and in the 2019, it's smackdab in
    the middle of those 12 days... Plus, agreed as well that 12 days isn't
    really long enough a countdown... Besides, it's really a count up song,
    as the numbers get larger, not smaller.... <G>

    Speaking for myself, who took the time to program the routine, I am inclined to leave well enough alone including the bottled beer which
    is traditional as far as the original song is concerned, although I
    did find one reference where pop was an acceptable substitution. Personally I don't agree but then again I have no claim whatsoever for
    "99 Bottles of Beer". Probably the best source of information is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Bottles_of_Beer especially the
    section labelled "Mathematically inspired variants". However it still lacks any suggestion for a reduction in duration of the potential annoyance in the Little Mikey's Brain implimentation.

    Oh, well... do as you wish... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Thu Jul 5 03:51:48 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    the only objection I've heard so far in the echo was to the beer
    (and it wasn't even me)

    True. However I am willing to bet that it'll change once it gets going and they - whoever they are - will complain about the lack of tolerance for the daily dose of yet another bottle being taken down and passed around no matter what the beverage is, although I am probably going to leave the current program
    as is which is beer.

    Besides, it's really a count up song, as the numbers get larger,
    not smaller

    It was just an example and as if yet I can't come up with anything better.

    Oh, well... do as you wish

    I usually do but in this case I was hoping to spread the blame for the inevitable grief which should start in roughly 81 days. As far as Little Mikey
    is concerned it is still on (Sept 24th) and it is 100 days of counting down bottles of beer. Little Mikey is indifferent but will faithfully do it's part once it starts. As they say, you can count on it.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Jul 10 01:15:12 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 05-Jul-2018 03:51 <=-

    the only objection I've heard so far in the echo was to the beer
    (and it wasn't even me)

    True. However I am willing to bet that it'll change once it gets
    going and they - whoever they are - will complain about the lack of tolerance for the daily dose of yet another bottle being taken down
    and passed around no matter what the beverage is, although I am
    probably going to leave the current program as is which is beer.

    Oh, I don't know.... I'm not seeing anyone else jump in on the
    discussion at this point, so probably no one else even cares... <G>

    Besides, it's really a count up song, as the numbers get larger,
    not smaller

    It was just an example and as of yet I can't come up with anything
    better.

    Neither can I... I'll let you know if I do.... <G>

    Oh, well... do as you wish

    I usually do but in this case I was hoping to spread the blame for the inevitable grief which should start in roughly 81 days.

    Too bad... you get stuck with it all... ;)

    As far as Little Mikey is concerned it is still on (Sept 24th) and it
    is 100 days of counting down bottles of beer. Little Mikey is
    indifferent but will faithfully do its part once it starts. As they
    say, you can count on it.

    Heh.

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Tue Jul 10 16:31:09 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    so probably no one else even cares

    Until of course the time comes and then all bets are off as to who will be spreading the blame for all that ails fidonet despite the fact that it will be the first and perhaps the only time of it's occurance, which will be well after
    all that ails fidonet.

    I'll let you know if I do

    I do appreciate that.

    you get stuck with it all

    Business as usual. Mind you in this case I deserve all the blame since nobody else helped. I do have some legitimate references I could point to but I found
    those after I actually wrote the routine. Also it is a uniquely fidonet thingy
    since there is much FTN silliness hardcoded into it but having said that it is still me and nobody else who decided and followed through on said hardcoding. Besides I am certain I don't wish to share anything including blame with the FTSC. :::evil grin:::

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Jul 11 09:43:00 2018
    Nancy,

    ... Difference between a lawyer and a skunk? Nobody wants to hit a skunk!

    You have a valid point.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jul 13 18:28:48 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 10-Jul-2018 16:31 <=-

    so probably no one else even cares

    Until of course the time comes and then all bets are off as to who
    will be spreading the blame for all that ails fidonet despite the fact that it will be the first and perhaps the only time of it's occurance, which will be well after all that ails fidonet.

    That sounds just a bit cynical... ;)

    I'll let you know if I do

    I do appreciate that.

    No promises, of course.... ;)

    you get stuck with it all

    Business as usual. Mind you in this case I deserve all the blame
    since nobody else helped. I do have some legitimate references I
    could point to but I found those after I actually wrote the routine.

    So just confirmation after the fact... :)

    Also it is a uniquely fidonet thingy since there is much FTN silliness hardcoded into it but having said that it is still me and nobody else
    who decided and followed through on said hardcoding. Besides I am
    certain I don't wish to share anything including blame with the FTSC. :::evil grin:::

    There you have it, then... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Maurice Kinal on Sun Jul 15 04:47:29 2018
    Hallo Maurice!

    Just a tad cynical. That's what ~30 years of hacking does to one especially when dealing with DOS-think. I honestly thought that
    would have disappeared way back in late 1999 but perhaps that is
    what made me optimistic. Live and learn eh?

    Speaking of DOS-think, I see we're back to someone(s) crappy tosser putting in stinkin' CR's ... again. DOS-think crap just never ends. :::sigh:::

    Het leven is goed,
    Maurice

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jul 15 03:12:14 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    That sounds just a bit cynical

    Just a tad cynical. That's what ~30 years of hacking does to one especially when dealing with DOS-think. I honestly thought that would have disappeared way back in late 1999 but perhaps that is what made me optimistic. Live and learn eh?

    No promises, of course

    More reason for my cynicism? ;-)

    There you have it, then

    We'll see but at this stage I am guessing it will be game on and damn the torpedoes!

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Jul 17 21:54:22 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 15-Jul-2018 03:12 <=-

    That sounds just a bit cynical

    Just a tad cynical. That's what ~30 years of hacking does to one especially when dealing with DOS-think. I honestly thought that would have disappeared way back in late 1999 but perhaps that is what made me optimistic. Live and learn eh?

    Cynicism often comes from experience... ;)

    No promises, of course

    More reason for my cynicism? ;-)

    Nah... just realism.... ;)

    We'll see but at this stage I am guessing it will be game on and damn
    the torpedoes!

    Probably... :)

    And what sort of weather have you been having.....?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Wed Jul 18 05:52:33 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    And what sort of weather have you been having.....?

    Heat wave. Not as bad as what was happening in your neck of the woods but still too hot. Prediction is for cooler weather as the week drags on but that is a relative term that really has nothing to do with cool. What they should say hot but not quite as hot as it has been.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jul 20 18:22:52 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 18-Jul-2018 05:52 <=-

    And what sort of weather have you been having.....?

    Heat wave. Not as bad as what was happening in your neck of the woods
    but still too hot. Prediction is for cooler weather as the week drags
    on but that is a relative term that really has nothing to do with
    cool. What they should say hot but not quite as hot as it has been.

    We are officially in a drought now... At least we are having highs only
    in the high 80s (F) or even back into the 70s instead of the 90s we were
    having for way too long... We just had a couple of nights with the lows
    in the 50s, so have been able to cool the house off... :)

    Cool and hot are such relative terms.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sat Jul 21 09:50:13 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    At least we are having highs only in the high 80s (F) or even
    back into the 70s

    That is what happened here over the last two days (Thursday and Friday). Nights were the actual cool rather than the relative cool. It has been perfect
    but we're supposed to be back in the heat by Sunday. As for rain we could definetly use some of that but I don't believe it is as dry as last year at this time of year.

    Cool and hot are such relative terms

    Stinkin' relatives.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Jul 27 03:23:36 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 21-Jul-2018 09:50 <=-

    At least we are having highs only in the high 80s (F) or even
    back into the 70s

    That is what happened here over the last two days (Thursday and
    Friday). Nights were the actual cool rather than the relative cool.
    It has been perfect but we're supposed to be back in the heat by
    Sunday. As for rain we could definetly use some of that but I don't believe it is as dry as last year at this time of year.

    Our county is officially in a drought state... or at least has been....
    I've been away for a week, and if home got the rain we did here,
    camping, it might have made some strides towards mitigating things...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jul 29 03:06:09 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Our county is officially in a drought state

    No official word on drought here but it wouldn't surpise anyone if they do make
    the call soon. As for the interior mainland there are far too many wildfires going but they are being deemed as the new normal. Not as bad as last year but
    that could change in the drop of a hat.

    Weird but I still haven't seen any of the female quails and their chicks yet. Since May I have only seen two lonely looking male quail standing at the side of the road at different times, one in early June and the second one a couple weeks later. Offhand I think all the additional staycationers might be the reason for the hightened shyness of the quail. The nearest neighbour claims to
    have heard them in the brambles again but didn't actually see any of them, not even a spotter. This is the first summer I haven't spotted any for this length
    of time.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Jul 29 10:05:00 2018
    Nancy,

    Our county is officially in a drought state... or at least has been.... NB>I've been away for a week, and if home got the rain we did here,
    camping, it might have made some strides towards mitigating things...

    Much of Arkansas is as well...although a large area of rain and
    thunderstorms is approaching from the northwest as I answer this QWK
    packet. So, I'm hurrying to finish it, as I won't be doing any computer
    or BBS work again until Tuesday evening, when the rain and storms are
    forecast to have moved out.

    Daryl

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Aug 2 23:56:48 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 29-Jul-2018 03:06 <=-

    Our county is officially in a drought state

    No official word on drought here but it wouldn't surpise anyone if
    they do make the call soon. As for the interior mainland there are
    far too many wildfires going but they are being deemed as the new
    normal. Not as bad as last year but that could change in the drop of
    a hat.

    Thankfully wildfires are very rare in these parts... but I know our West
    Coast is beseiged with them... pretty scary ones, too... Meanwhile
    we've been getting some rain, and forecasts daily for more, so hopefully
    that turns the tide, and doesn't overbalance...

    Weird but I still haven't seen any of the female quails and their
    chicks yet. Since May I have only seen two lonely looking male quail standing at the side of the road at different times, one in early June
    and the second one a couple weeks later. Offhand I think all the additional staycationers might be the reason for the hightened shyness
    of the quail. The nearest neighbour claims to have heard them in the brambles again but didn't actually see any of them, not even a
    spotter. This is the first summer I haven't spotted any for this
    length of time.

    Weather might play into it, too. I suppose... Hopefully they are just
    being shy, and everything is ok with them... More people around could
    account for their reluctance to be out in the open, tis true... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Fri Aug 3 21:06:09 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Thankfully wildfires are very rare in these parts...

    Quite a few nasty ones just to the north of you in Ontario. However as of yesterday the number of wildfires in the interior of BC jumped to over 400. I did say it could all change at a drop of a hat.

    Hopefully they are just being shy, and everything is ok with them

    Agreed. However I'd feel more at ease if I caught sight of them every now and then just to confirm. This has definetly been the longest stretch of no contact since I have been in this neighbourhood.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Aug 4 22:57:12 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 03-Aug-2018 21:06 <=-

    Thankfully wildfires are very rare in these parts...

    Quite a few nasty ones just to the north of you in Ontario. However
    as of yesterday the number of wildfires in the interior of BC jumped
    to over 400. I did say it could all change at a drop of a hat.

    And it is pretty much the season for wildfires... I have been hearing of
    some of the ones in Oregon and other northwestern states, along with California... We don't hear that much about conditions in Canada... How
    far north of me are the ones in Ontario...?

    Hopefully they are just being shy, and everything is ok with them

    Agreed. However I'd feel more at ease if I caught sight of them every
    now and then just to confirm. This has definetly been the longest
    stretch of no contact since I have been in this neighbourhood.

    Is it worth a hike to the probable vicinity to see if they are still around....?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Sun Aug 5 16:36:21 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    How far north of me are the ones in Ontario...?

    From my understanding the bulk of the fires are in the northeast on the Ontario
    side of the Ontario/Quebec border. However the major one, to the northwest of you, is just south of Sudbury and is (was?) the greatest threat to life and limb. At one point it threatened to shut down the Trans Canada highway. I haven't heard much about it since then which was about a week ago. All I know is that they cannot spare any fire fighters to BC now that things are flaring up here. Apparently as of the last couple of days we are looking to import fire fighters from abroad.

    Is it worth a hike to the probable vicinity to see if they are
    still around....?

    No problem really since the hike is not much of a hike or at least it wasn't before the middle of May when I last spotted the local neighbourhood flock. I thought for sure they'd show themselves long before this. I have a bad feeling
    the slight increase in human activity this summer might have scared them off. Perhaps we were close to the tipping point prior to this season.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Aug 9 20:56:50 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 05-Aug-2018 16:36 <=-

    How far north of me are the ones in Ontario...?

    From my understanding the bulk of the fires are in the northeast on
    the Ontario side of the Ontario/Quebec border. However the major one,
    to the northwest of you, is just south of Sudbury and is (was?) the greatest threat to life and limb. At one point it threatened to shut
    down the Trans Canada highway. I haven't heard much about it since
    then which was about a week ago.

    I had a look at the map... not all that close to me, thankfully. We've
    heard nothing at all about those fires on our news, only about the ones
    in California and to a lesser extent about the ones in Oregon... Maybe
    by now the Sudbury one is contained....

    All I know is that they cannot spare
    any fire fighters to BC now that things are flaring up here.
    Apparently as of the last couple of days we are looking to import fire fighters from abroad.

    We've already been using National Guard troops, and I heard recently
    that regular Army troops are being trained to go help fight the fires as well...

    Is it worth a hike to the probable vicinity to see if they are
    still around....?

    No problem really since the hike is not much of a hike or at least it wasn't before the middle of May when I last spotted the local neighbourhood flock. I thought for sure they'd show themselves long before this. I have a bad feeling the slight increase in human
    activity this summer might have scared them off. Perhaps we were
    close to the tipping point prior to this season.

    Possible. Maybe they moved farther away from the human activity...?

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Fri Aug 10 02:48:16 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    California and to a lesser extent about the ones in Oregon...

    Right. They are also importing firefighters from New Zealand and Austrailia. Now that it is winter there I suppose they can spare them.

    Maybe they moved farther away from the human activity...?

    Errrr ... where would that be? I believe it only gets more active as you move away from this neck of the woods in any direction landwise. Maybe they learned
    to swim and chose to move to one of the nearby islands. Either that or hitched
    a ride on a boat. Although they can fly they aren't very good at it and the nearest island is a tad beyond their reach as far as my understanding of quails
    is concerned. Anyhow, as of this writing, still no sign of them.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Aug 13 20:19:16 2018
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 10-Aug-2018 02:48 <=-

    California and to a lesser extent about the ones in Oregon...

    Right. They are also importing firefighters from New Zealand and Austrailia. Now that it is winter there I suppose they can spare them.

    True... shouldn't be having wildfires there for the moment...

    Maybe they moved farther away from the human activity...?

    Errrr ... where would that be? I believe it only gets more active as
    you move away from this neck of the woods in any direction landwise.

    Hmmm... In that case, probably just are lying low... hopefully...

    Maybe they learned to swim and chose to move to one of the nearby
    islands. Either that or hitched a ride on a boat. Although they can
    fly they aren't very good at it and the nearest island is a tad beyond their reach as far as my understanding of quails is concerned.

    That doesn't sound too promising as to being able to move away from
    humans, then....

    Anyhow, as of this writing, still no sign of them.

    AIS, hopefully they are just lying low for the moment...

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nancy Backus on Tue Aug 14 03:09:29 2018
    Hey Nancy!

    Hmmm... In that case, probably just are lying low... hopefully

    BINGO! We were driving to town and about 1km down the road from here lo and behold a flock of about 20-30 of them ran across the road in front of us. No chicks but I imagine the chicks are all grown up by now. After all quail aren't all that big. No pictures as it happened too fast and we weren't prepared. However I was happy to see them and am not more hopeful that the local neighbourhood flock is just lying low for now and will show themselves again after Labour Day if not sooner.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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