• Asia/Asian?

    From Anatol Berejan@1:154/10 to All on Thu Feb 10 00:38:10 2022
    What does Asia has to do with it?

    AB.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Anatol Berejan on Thu Feb 10 09:04:47 2022
    Hey Anatol!

    What does Asia has to do with it?

    What does Asia have to do with what?

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Hwon gelpeð, se þe wide siþað.
    Little boasts the one who travels widely.
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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Feb 10 16:28:15 2022
    Hi Maurice...

    Hey Anatol!
    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    Life is good,
    Maurice
    ... Hwon gelpe?, se ?e wide si?a?.
    Little boasts the one who travels widely.

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    Ciao!
    /|ug (https://t.me/aabolins)

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to August Abolins on Thu Feb 10 14:09:15 2022
    Hey August!

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been
    forgotten.

    I knew there was something that has long since been forgotten. Thank you for the timely reminder.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Eal þæt þu her sceawast hit is sceaduwa gelic, æll hit gewitað.
    All that you see here is like a shadow; it will all vanish.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Thu Feb 10 15:23:13 2022
    Hi August,

    On 2022-02-10 16:28:15, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

    Hey Anatol!
    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    Life is good,
    Maurice
    ... Hwon gelpe?, se ?e wide si?a?.
    Little boasts the one who travels widely.

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    The Asian's are long gone from fidonet, so Maurice hi-jacked the area for his personal tests, and chatting... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Feb 10 14:34:06 2022
    Hey Wilfred!

    Maurice hi-jacked the area for his personal tests, and
    chatting...

    I think it was more of a lo-jacking as I did have the proper blessings ... at the time.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Freond deah feor ge neah; byð near nyttra.
    A friend is useful, far or near; the nearer the better.
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Feb 11 07:04:16 2022
    Hi! Wilfred,

    On 10 Feb 22 15:23, you wrote to August Abolins:

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been
    forgotten.

    The Asian's are long gone from fidonet, so Maurice hi-jacked the area
    for his personal tests, and chatting... ;)

    Perhaps the echo is little used for its intended purpose, then.

    OTOH, my N640C is an ex-sysop (and ex-NC) from Zone 6. There's another ex-Zone 6 refugee listed in Net633. So, the potential is there. There may be others, lurking...

    Maybe the echo's moderator needs to advertise the echo... more widely? ;)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Ghil Zvidgzul@2:5030/1081.117 to August Abolins on Thu Feb 10 17:52:12 2022
    Hello, August!

    Hey Anatol!
    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    Life is good,
    Maurice
    ... Hwon gelpe?, se ?e wide si?a?.
    Little boasts the one who travels widely.

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    When I think of Asia I think of chinese food, anime, nintendo and sega.
    And the air doesn't smell like Nintendo anymore. :(

    Ghil.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Fri Feb 11 04:33:02 2022

    On 2022 Feb 10 16:28:14, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    nope ;)

    =====>8 Echolist - 1997 Sep 01 8<=====

    ASIAN_LINK
    International chat echo - members on 6 continents
    A general chat conference for those interested in
    topics related to Asia and Asian culture. The echo
    currently has members writing from South Korea, Japan,
    Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Macao, Thailand, Malaysia,
    the Philippines, Australia, Canada, the USA, Germany,
    Sweden, the Netherlands, Belgium, Russia, Bulgaria,
    Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, the People's Republic of
    China, Luxembourg, Spain, Brazil, India and South Africa.
    The English language is standard on the echo but
    foreign languages are permitted with an English
    translation.
    Echomail traffic is roughly 50% from North America,
    15% from Europe, 25% from Asia, 5% from South America and
    5% from Africa.
    Zone 1 Co-Moderator: Bill Oxner (1:388/4) and Sue
    Matthews (1:105/330)
    Zone 2 Co-Moderator: Thomas Sturm (2:2488/144.8) and
    Mike Roark (2:2480/7009)
    Zone 3 Co-Moderator: Roger Buck (3:711/508)
    Zone 4 Co-Moderator: Sergio Charlab (4:802/21)
    Zone 6 Co-Moderator: Patrick Jaderborg (6:760/1) and
    Suchit Nanda (6:606/1)
    Origin:
    Distribution: Zone 1 BACKBONE, Zone 3 BACKBONE, Zones 2, 4, 5 and 6
    Gateways: Belgium via 2:29/777, Zone 3 via 3:711/508
    Language:
    # Nodes: 2000 Volume: 200/day Rules:
    Flags:
    Moderators: Sue Matthews, 1:105/330
    Last changed: 04 Aug 97 by Sue Matthews, 1:105/330

    =====>8 EOP 8<=====


    )\/(ark

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to mark lewis on Fri Feb 11 09:23:00 2022
    Hello mark lewis!

    ** On Friday 11.02.22 - 04:33, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

    On 2022 Feb 10 16:28:14, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    nope ;)

    =====>8 Echolist - 1997 Sep 01 8<=====

    ASIAN_LINK
    International chat echo - members on 6 continents
    A general chat conference for those interested in
    topics related to Asia and Asian culture. [..]

    That's not what the latest ELISTing says. :/ This is why I
    suggested that the real intention is not represented.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Sat Feb 12 07:11:24 2022
    On 2022 Feb 11 09:23:00, you wrote to me:

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    nope ;)

    =====>8 Echolist - 1997 Sep 01 8<=====

    ASIAN_LINK
    International chat echo - members on 6 continents
    A general chat conference for those interested in
    topics related to Asia and Asian culture. [..]

    That's not what the latest ELISTing says. :/

    i know that... i was answering your statement that the original purpose et al is not really forgotten and is easily found...

    This is why I suggested that the real intention is not represented.

    i see nothing wrong with the current description... it just isn't as detailed as previous ones were and is a little more broad in topic coverage...

    )\/(ark

    "The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
    ... Why the fuss over plutonium? How can a Disney character be dangerous?
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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to mark lewis on Sat Feb 12 18:36:08 2022
    Hi mark...

    On 2022 Feb 11 09:23:00, you wrote to me:
    That's not what the latest ELISTing says. :/
    i know that... i was answering your statement that the original purpose et al is not really forgotten and is easily found...
    This is why I suggested that the real intention is not represented.
    i see nothing wrong with the current description... it just isn't as detailed as previous ones were and is a little more broad in topic coverage...
    )\/(ark
    "The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a shiny thing!"
    ... Why the fuss over plutonium? How can a Disney character be dangerous? ---

    I appreciate the research! But new people wouldnt realize how/where/necessity to dig up the old elist.rpt files. And.. the descriptions *can* change over the years. Maybe Carol now wants a more generic/all-encompassing chat as opposed to one focused on Asian culture.

    Ciao!
    /|ug (https://t.me/aabolins)

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Anatol Berejan on Sat Mar 5 10:15:48 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Anatol Berejan to All on Thu Feb 10 2022 12:38 am

    What does Asia has to do with it?

    AB.

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    The echo dates back to Z6 (former zone) and though we rarely see any posters from Asia anymore, randomly 1 or 2 pop up in Z3 (where the remainder of Z6 voted to move to when we couldn't sustain Z6 any longer).

    It's always been a chatty echo and a freindly one. Lots of tech talk too and folks test things here too. Telegram users here too but we don't see many.

    We do stay out of politics as it's got several ther echos that can be used for that.
    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Mar 5 10:21:59 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Maurice Kinal to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Feb 10 2022 02:34 pm

    Hey Wilfred!

    Maurice hi-jacked the area for his personal tests, and
    chatting...

    I think it was more of a lo-jacking as I did have the proper blessings ... a the time.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Freond deah feor ge neah; byð near nyttra.
    A friend is useful, far or near; the nearer the better.

    Still do! I don't mind a little testing! Heck, I do it here too! Also I use it for new node testing so they don't get lost in the mist in the bigger echos for that.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Paul Quinn on Sat Mar 5 10:27:41 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Paul Quinn to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Feb 11 2022 07:04 am

    Hi! Wilfred,

    On 10 Feb 22 15:23, you wrote to August Abolins:

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been
    forgotten.

    The Asian's are long gone from fidonet, so Maurice hi-jacked the area for his personal tests, and chatting... ;)

    Perhaps the echo is little used for its intended purpose, then.

    OTOH, my N640C is an ex-sysop (and ex-NC) from Zone 6. There's another ex-Z 6 refugee listed in Net633. So, the potential is there. There may be other lurking...

    Maybe the echo's moderator needs to advertise the echo... more widely? ;)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Hey SysOp! You'd better upgrade me or el%$^&%NO CARRIER

    Yup Paul! Saw a point crop up for a short time. India, listed in Z2, Russian looking name. Of course there's me, ex-Z6C. Terry Roati is now Z3 full time (used to be Z6).

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ghil Zvidgzul on Sat Mar 5 10:34:01 2022
    Re: Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Ghil Zvidgzul to August Abolins on Thu Feb 10 2022 05:52 pm

    Hello, August!

    Hey Anatol!
    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    Life is good,
    Maurice
    ... Hwon gelpe?, se ?e wide si?a?.
    Little boasts the one who travels widely.

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    When I think of Asia I think of chinese food, anime, nintendo and sega.
    And the air doesn't smell like Nintendo anymore. :(

    Ghil.

    LOL, I think of those too but you probably didn't know Singapore Z6 made huge contributions in the days of early Fidonet with software development of all sorts. They largly implemented a lot of the tech standards we use today in message handling if I recall right.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to August Abolins on Sat Mar 5 10:38:23 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Sat Feb 12 2022 06:36 pm

    Hi mark...

    On 2022 Feb 11 09:23:00, you wrote to me:
    That's not what the latest ELISTing says. :/
    i know that... i was answering your statement that the original purpose
    al is not really forgotten and is easily found...
    This is why I suggested that the real intention is not represented.
    i see nothing wrong with the current description... it just isn't as
    detailed as previous ones were and is a little more broad in topic coverage.
    )\/(ark
    "The soul of a small kitten in the body of a mighty dragon. Look on my
    majesty, ye mighty, and despair! Or bring me catnip. Your choice. Oooh, a sh thing!"
    ... Why the fuss over plutonium? How can a Disney character be dangerou ---

    I appreciate the research! But new people wouldnt realize how/where/necessi to dig up the old elist.rpt files. And.. the descriptions *can* change over the years. Maybe Carol now wants a more generic/all-encompassing chat as opposed to one focused on Asian culture.

    Ciao!
    /|ug (https://t.me/aabolins)

    Yup! I think it's just how we all like it and while more former Z6 folks would be nice, there just aren't many of us!

    xxcarol
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Mar 5 18:04:34 2022
    Hey Carol!

    Heck, I do it here too!

    Which one? Hi or lo jacking ... or are there other jackings worthy of mention?

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Ðe wes molde imynt, er ðu of moder come.
    For you the dust was intended, before you came from your mother.
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    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/1000 to Maurice Kinal on Sat Mar 5 17:17:53 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Maurice Kinal to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Mar 05 2022 06:04 pm

    Hey Carol!

    Heck, I do it here too!

    Which one? Hi or lo jacking ... or are there other jackings worthy of menti

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Ðe wes molde imynt, er ðu of moder come.
    For you the dust was intended, before you came from your mother.

    LOL! Well, just made a Diamond heist?

    xxcarol
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 6 09:10:00 2022
    Hello Carol Shenkenberger!

    ** On Saturday 05.03.22 - 10:15, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Anatol Berejan:

    It's always been a chatty echo and a freindly one. Lots
    of tech talk too and folks test things here too. Telegram
    users here too but we don't see many.

    The beauty of Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) is that it opens
    access to some Fidonet echos for ALL smartphone users,
    initially.

    Then, if there is an alternative laptop/desktop option, maybe
    that person could be persuaded to enter the Fidonet world for a
    totally immersive experience?

    Android users could be persuaded to try Aftershock or HotdogEd.

    It's really up to users/moderators of this world to educate.

    But Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) is the only option for iPhone
    users.

    Getting started with Telegram is just TWO steps:

    [1] Install Telegram
    [2] Send %HELP and %LIST to the @Fido2telebot to get started!

    Do Aftershock/HotdogEd make it easier than that? :D



    --
    ../|ug

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to August Abolins on Sun Mar 6 19:25:47 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: August Abolins to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 06 2022 09:10 am

    Hello Carol Shenkenberger!

    ** On Saturday 05.03.22 - 10:15, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Anatol Berejan

    It's always been a chatty echo and a freindly one. Lots
    of tech talk too and folks test things here too. Telegram
    users here too but we don't see many.

    The beauty of Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) is that it opens
    access to some Fidonet echos for ALL smartphone users,
    initially.

    Then, if there is an alternative laptop/desktop option, maybe
    that person could be persuaded to enter the Fidonet world for a
    totally immersive experience?

    Android users could be persuaded to try Aftershock or HotdogEd.

    It's really up to users/moderators of this world to educate.

    But Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) is the only option for iPhone
    users.

    Getting started with Telegram is just TWO steps:

    [1] Install Telegram
    [2] Send %HELP and %LIST to the @Fido2telebot to get started!

    Do Aftershock/HotdogEd make it easier than that? :D



    --
    ../|ug


    Exactly and I like it! We move forward, or die.

    xxcarol
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 7 10:39:00 2022
    Hello Carol Shenkenberger!

    ** On Sunday 06.03.22 - 19:25, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to August Abolins:

    The beauty of Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) is that it opens
    access to some Fidonet echos for ALL smartphone users,
    initially.

    [...]

    But Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) is the only option for
    iPhone users.

    Getting started with Telegram is just TWO steps:

    [1] Install Telegram
    [2] Send %HELP and %LIST to the @Fido2telebot to get
    started!

    Do Aftershock/HotdogEd make it easier than that? :D

    Exactly and I like it! We move forward, or die.

    Does anyone know an iPhone user who you could entice to give
    the Telegram + @Fido2telebot solution a try?

    I use it on a modest Blackberry Q10 (Android 4.3) myself. The
    screen is not ideal for incoming originally wide lines (the
    body of the text tends to honour the presence of hard CRs., and
    the since the screen is a perfect 2"x2" square, there is no
    landscape-view option. However, I understand that smartphones
    with 16:9 screens can be tilted horizontally to get a better
    representation of some messages that arrive in the original 70-
    80char per line form.

    And.. I also use the desktop version which I find is the
    easiest way to produce a reply.


    --
    ../|ug

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 7 16:38:01 2022
    Hey August!

    The screen is not ideal for incoming originally wide lines (the
    body of the text tends to honour the presence of hard CRs., and
    the since the screen is a perfect 2"x2" square, there is no
    landscape-view option.

    None of that should matter. What does matter is the word wrapping upon display. I note that in the case of the original it appears to hardwrap at 72 characters which I believe goes back to the teletype days ... either that or line printers, although I doubt that since there were many printers back then that could do much more than 80 characters nevermind 72.

    However, I understand that smartphones with 16:9 screens can be
    tilted horizontally to get a better representation of some
    messages that arrive in the original 70-80char per line form.

    With the default font, an android based tablet can handle 80 character width on both portrait and landscape modes (16:9). I imagine the same can be said for smartphones and other handheld devices.

    And.. I also use the desktop version which I find is the
    easiest way to produce a reply.

    Proper word wrapping would be required to convince me. I have a tablet that can produce proper MSGs that is entirely capable of both displaying and creating MSGs that does this the correct way without ANY changes to standards ... or worse; goofy kludges that create more problems and solve absolutely nothing.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Feorma þu symle in þinum ferðe god.
    Always foster in your heart what is good.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.1.16(1)-release (x86_64-moosile-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to August Abolins on Sun Mar 13 18:47:42 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: August Abolins to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 07 2022 10:39 am

    Hello Carol Shenkenberger!

    ** On Sunday 06.03.22 - 19:25, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to August Abolins:

    The beauty of Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) is that it opens
    access to some Fidonet echos for ALL smartphone users,
    initially.

    [...]

    But Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) is the only option for
    iPhone users.

    Getting started with Telegram is just TWO steps:

    [1] Install Telegram
    [2] Send %HELP and %LIST to the @Fido2telebot to get
    started!

    Do Aftershock/HotdogEd make it easier than that? :D

    Exactly and I like it! We move forward, or die.

    Does anyone know an iPhone user who you could entice to give
    the Telegram + @Fido2telebot solution a try?

    I use it on a modest Blackberry Q10 (Android 4.3) myself. The
    screen is not ideal for incoming originally wide lines (the
    body of the text tends to honour the presence of hard CRs., and
    the since the screen is a perfect 2"x2" square, there is no
    landscape-view option. However, I understand that smartphones
    with 16:9 screens can be tilted horizontally to get a better
    representation of some messages that arrive in the original 70-
    80char per line form.

    And.. I also use the desktop version which I find is the
    easiest way to produce a reply.


    --
    ../|ug


    Smile, I could but don't want the overhead on my cell. Perhaps another here?

    xxcarol
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  • From Christian Jacob@2:240/1120.34 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 14 08:34:01 2022
    //Hello Carol,//

    am *13.03.22* um *22:47:42* schreibst Du in Area *ASIAN_LINK*
    an *August Abolins* ueber *"Asia/Asian?"*.


    Getting started with Telegram is just TWO steps:

    [1] Install Telegram
    [2] Send %HELP and %LIST to the @Fido2telebot to get
    started!

    Do Aftershock/HotdogEd make it easier than that? :D

    Exactly and I like it! We move forward, or die.

    Does anyone know an iPhone user who you could entice to give the Telegram
    + @Fido2telebot solution a try?

    ALthough FidoNet is not as popular as in the 20s anymore and I really do understand that people who actually still use it would love to see more
    users come back or even experience FidoNet the first time, I don't think that telegram is the best way.

    It IS modern and well adopted, but personally, I don't trust telegram.
    Also, this platform has quite a tendency to attract people with kind of
    a weird view on the world.

    Lately, I thought that reviving FidoNet especially in the eastern reagion of Zone 2 would allow people from respective countries to communicate with the "outside" world bypassing their governments' control over the internet.

    Solutions such as Telegram would not fit into that idea though. :)


    Viele Gruesse,
    Christian Jacob
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Christian Jacob on Mon Mar 14 09:34:00 2022
    Hello Christian!

    ** On Monday 14.03.22 - 08:34, you wrote to Carol:

    Getting started with Telegram is just TWO steps:

    [1] Install Telegram
    [2] Send %HELP and %LIST to the @Fido2telebot to get
    started!

    Do Aftershock/HotdogEd make it easier than that? :D


    ALthough FidoNet is not as popular as in the 20s anymore
    and I really do understand that people who actually still
    use it would love to see more users come back or even
    experience FidoNet the first time, I don't think that
    telegram is the best way.

    Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) may not be the best final solution..
    but it's a useful option and a step forward to reach smartphone
    users.


    It IS modern and well adopted, but personally, I don't
    trust telegram. Also, this platform has quite a tendency
    to attract people with kind of a weird view on the world.

    User's of Telegram don't get any of the "weird view" channels
    unless they actually look for then and join them. There are no
    ads promoting that stuff unlike the "Suggestions" system found
    on Facebook for example. You can be certain that Facebook is
    to be trusted much less than Telegram. ;)

    The Fidonet groups are private. In otherwords, searching for
    "asian_link" in the standard S)earch feature won't turn
    anything up. Prospective participants need to use the
    specially crafted invite-link that the @Fido2telebot provides
    following the %LINK command.

    This privacy also makes sure that no robots or spammers can
    post anything.

    The one for this echo is:

    ASIAN_LINK (https://t.me/+TlC5K7EkqxOR8E4u) - ASIAN_LINK is a
    friendly international Fidonet chat echo. All are welcome to
    participate.

    You can see the little intro-page on the web before you join!


    Lately, I thought that reviving FidoNet especially in the
    eastern reagion of Zone 2 would allow people from
    respective countries to communicate with the "outside"
    world bypassing their governments' control over the
    internet.

    Telegram on it's own can also be used to make live-voice
    "calls" between contacts. It's rather quite efficient that
    way.

    Solutions such as Telegram would not fit into that idea
    though. :)

    I'll use it to primarily have it notify me when a post is made
    in a favourite echo. Then, it's a quick way to just take a look
    at the messages from the convenience of the phone that might be
    my my beside.

    If I want to engage in a reply, I simply use the desktop
    version of the app on my computer - as I am doing now - 'cuz
    typing all this is much easier with a full-size keyboard.

    As people are introduced to the content on some basic Fidonet
    echos, hopefully they can be steered toward other tools (nntp,
    offline readers, bbsing, etc) to get a more emmersive
    experience of echomail - if they want - just as you have done
    with the newly revived and well-supported Winpoint!


    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Mobile? ASIAN_LINK https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6rwskq (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Mar 14 11:47:00 2022
    Hello Maurice!

    ** On Monday 07.03.22 - 16:38, you wrote to me:

    The screen is not ideal for incoming originally wide
    lines (the body of the text tends to honour the presence
    of hard CRs., and the since the screen is a perfect 2"x2"
    square, there is no landscape-view option.

    None of that should matter. What does matter is the word
    wrapping upon display. I note that in the case of the
    original it appears to hardwrap at 72 characters which I
    believe goes back to the teletype days ... either that or
    line printers, although I doubt that since there were many
    printers back then that could do much more than 80
    characters nevermind 72.

    As it stands now, the @Fido2telebot interface tries to not
    modify message content in transit. The exception might be in
    R)eplies from the Telegram side by only quoting as far back as
    the 3rd level, and not anything higher.

    It would be nice to have CRs removed from the EOLs within a
    paragraph so that the messages arriving from the Fido side
    would look less jaggy on my 2x2 screen. But my eye has adapted
    quite well to that, and now I don't mind as much.


    However, I understand that smartphones with 16:9 screens
    can be tilted horizontally to get a better representation
    of some messages that arrive in the original 70-80char
    per line form.

    With the default font, an android based tablet can handle
    80 character width on both portrait and landscape modes
    (16:9). I imagine the same can be said for smartphones
    and other handheld devices.

    I have not found a font-type or fontsize control on my
    Blackberry. The lettering is already pretty small as it is. :(


    And.. I also use the desktop version which I find is the
    easiest way to produce a reply.

    Proper word wrapping would be required to convince me. I
    have a tablet that can produce proper MSGs that is
    entirely capable of both displaying and creating MSGs that
    does this the correct way without ANY changes to standards
    ... or worse; goofy kludges that create more problems and
    solve absolutely nothing.

    The current incarnation of @Fido2telebot is barely 3 years in
    the making. It has made tremendous strides in features and
    functionaly during that time. Many of those are probably due to
    my whining and [strike-through]complaints![/strikethrough]
    suggestions. LOL.

    The developer has recognized that maybe it is time to release
    the code on github.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Mobile? ASIAN_LINK https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6rwskq (2:221/1.58)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 14 21:20:45 2022
    Hey August!

    I have not found a font-type or fontsize control on my Blackberry.
    The lettering is already pretty small as it is. :(

    No surprise there. On a google device there is a configure thingy which has a section called "Display". There are four font sizes to choose from on my particular device. I switched from default to the largest size but that didn't have any effect on the terminal (termux). I believe it requires it's own fonts.

    In you case I am guessing that it is less than 72 characters given what you are saying about it. Also I am guessing that @Fido2telebot has a hardcoded wrap at 72 characters (1960's teletype machines). Judging by what I see at this end your msg's are fine but definetly look dated.

    I'll look up all this stuff if anyone is interested but I doubt I'll ever use it other than for testing. I don't have much love for these so-called smart devices. To me they look like perfect targets for ye olde sledge hammer. :::evil grin:::

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Help, help, I'm being repressed!
    --- GNU bash, version 5.1.16(1)-release (x86_64-moosile-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Mar 14 21:39:00 2022
    Hello Maurice!

    [...] Also I am guessing that @Fido2telebot has a
    hardcoded wrap at 72 characters (1960's teletype
    machines). Judging by what I see at this end your msg's
    are fine but definetly look dated.

    "dated"?

    I am forcing a shorter than usual line-length with OpenXP.

    123456789+123456789+123456789+123456789+123456789+123456789+123
    456789+

    There should be a CR after char 63 above.

    I do this because then my own messages look nicer (not
    haphazardly wrapped) when I look at them with Telegram on my
    Blackberry! ;)

    I also find it easier to read line-lengths that closer resemble
    the width of a printed page or newspaper column than the
    totally free-flowed paragraphs that sometimes arrive here.


    I'll look up all this stuff if anyone is interested but I
    doubt I'll ever use it other than for testing. I don't
    have much love for these so-called smart devices. To me
    they look like perfect targets for ye olde sledge hammer.
    :::evil grin:::

    Even using the Telegram and Fido link-up just to get
    notifications when a message has appeared in an echo is amusing
    and handy. It permits taking a quick survey of the new arrival
    to see if it needs a reply or not.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Mobile? ASIAN_LINK https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6rwskq (2:221/1.58)
  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to August Abolins on Tue Mar 15 03:13:32 2022
    Hey August!

    There should be a CR after char 63 above.

    Yes there is.

    I do this because then my own messages look nicer (not
    haphazardly wrapped) when I look at them with Telegram on my
    Blackberry! ;)

    Above is 72 wrapped.

    I also find it easier to read line-lengths that closer
    resemble the width of a printed page or newspaper column
    than the totally free-flowed paragraphs that sometimes
    arrive here.

    Above is 64 wrapped.

    I've been doing 72 wrapped for quotes. Also, these are 72 multibyte characters which when deployed are likely to get screwed up when doing bytewise wraps where one character = 1 byte. Hence my use of the word "dated".

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Nu hit ys on swines dome, cwæð se ceorl sæt on eoferes hricge.
    It's up to the pig now, said the man sat on the boar's back.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.1.16(1)-release (x86_64-moosile-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint @ (2:280/464.113)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Mar 21 16:07:53 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Maurice Kinal to August Abolins on Mon Mar 07 2022 04:38 pm

    Hey August!

    The screen is not ideal for incoming originally wide lines (the
    body of the text tends to honour the presence of hard CRs., and
    the since the screen is a perfect 2"x2" square, there is no landscape-view option.

    None of that should matter. What does matter is the word wrapping upon display. I note that in the case of the original it appears to hardwrap at characters which I believe goes back to the teletype days ... either that or line printers, although I doubt that since there were many printers back the that could do much more than 80 characters nevermind 72.

    However, I understand that smartphones with 16:9 screens can be
    tilted horizontally to get a better representation of some
    messages that arrive in the original 70-80char per line form.

    With the default font, an android based tablet can handle 80 character width both portrait and landscape modes (16:9). I imagine the same can be said fo smartphones and other handheld devices.

    And.. I also use the desktop version which I find is the
    easiest way to produce a reply.

    Proper word wrapping would be required to convince me. I have a tablet that can produce proper MSGs that is entirely capable of both displaying and creating MSGs that does this the correct way without ANY changes to standard ... or worse; goofy kludges that create more problems and solve absolutely nothing.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Feorma þu symle in þinum ferðe god.
    Always foster in your heart what is good.

    The 72 is a hold over from punch card days. Leaves end space for control characters.

    xxcarol
    --- SBBSecho 2.11-Win32
    * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS, shenks.synchro.net (1:275/100)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Christian Jacob on Mon Mar 21 16:11:54 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Christian Jacob to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 14 2022 08:34 am

    //Hello Carol,//

    am *13.03.22* um *22:47:42* schreibst Du in Area *ASIAN_LINK*
    an *August Abolins* ueber *"Asia/Asian?"*.


    Getting started with Telegram is just TWO steps:

    [1] Install Telegram
    [2] Send %HELP and %LIST to the @Fido2telebot to get
    started!

    Do Aftershock/HotdogEd make it easier than that? :D

    Exactly and I like it! We move forward, or die.

    Does anyone know an iPhone user who you could entice to give the Telegra
    + @Fido2telebot solution a try?

    ALthough FidoNet is not as popular as in the 20s anymore and I really do understand that people who actually still use it would love to see more users come back or even experience FidoNet the first time, I don't think tha telegram is the best way.

    It IS modern and well adopted, but personally, I don't trust telegram.
    Also, this platform has quite a tendency to attract people with kind of
    a weird view on the world.

    Lately, I thought that reviving FidoNet especially in the eastern reagion of Zone 2 would allow people from respective countries to communicate with the "outside" world bypassing their governments' control over the internet.

    Solutions such as Telegram would not fit into that idea though. :)


    Viele Gruesse,
    Christian Jacob

    Oh, I think it's helped get some of the eastern Russians in. Younger kids today are glued to cellphones and if it's not an 'app', it tends to not exist.

    Whet the appetite with a cellphone app then expand.

    xxcarol
    --- SBBSecho 2.11-Win32
    * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS, shenks.synchro.net (1:275/100)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 21 16:16:57 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: August Abolins to Christian Jacob on Mon Mar 14 2022 09:34 am

    Hello Christian!

    ** On Monday 14.03.22 - 08:34, you wrote to Carol:

    Getting started with Telegram is just TWO steps:

    [1] Install Telegram
    [2] Send %HELP and %LIST to the @Fido2telebot to get
    started!

    Do Aftershock/HotdogEd make it easier than that? :D


    ALthough FidoNet is not as popular as in the 20s anymore
    and I really do understand that people who actually still
    use it would love to see more users come back or even
    experience FidoNet the first time, I don't think that
    telegram is the best way.

    Telegram (+ @Fido2telebot) may not be the best final solution..
    but it's a useful option and a step forward to reach smartphone
    users.


    It IS modern and well adopted, but personally, I don't
    trust telegram. Also, this platform has quite a tendency
    to attract people with kind of a weird view on the world.

    User's of Telegram don't get any of the "weird view" channels
    unless they actually look for then and join them. There are no
    ads promoting that stuff unlike the "Suggestions" system found
    on Facebook for example. You can be certain that Facebook is
    to be trusted much less than Telegram. ;)

    The Fidonet groups are private. In otherwords, searching for
    "asian_link" in the standard S)earch feature won't turn
    anything up. Prospective participants need to use the
    specially crafted invite-link that the @Fido2telebot provides
    following the %LINK command.

    This privacy also makes sure that no robots or spammers can
    post anything.

    The one for this echo is:

    ASIAN_LINK (https://t.me/+TlC5K7EkqxOR8E4u) - ASIAN_LINK is a
    friendly international Fidonet chat echo. All are welcome to
    participate.

    You can see the little intro-page on the web before you join!


    Lately, I thought that reviving FidoNet especially in the
    eastern reagion of Zone 2 would allow people from
    respective countries to communicate with the "outside"
    world bypassing their governments' control over the
    internet.

    Telegram on it's own can also be used to make live-voice
    "calls" between contacts. It's rather quite efficient that
    way.

    Solutions such as Telegram would not fit into that idea
    though. :)

    I'll use it to primarily have it notify me when a post is made
    in a favourite echo. Then, it's a quick way to just take a look
    at the messages from the convenience of the phone that might be
    my my beside.

    If I want to engage in a reply, I simply use the desktop
    version of the app on my computer - as I am doing now - 'cuz
    typing all this is much easier with a full-size keyboard.

    As people are introduced to the content on some basic Fidonet
    echos, hopefully they can be steered toward other tools (nntp,
    offline readers, bbsing, etc) to get a more emmersive
    experience of echomail - if they want - just as you have done
    with the newly revived and well-supported Winpoint!


    --
    ../|ug


    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, they might still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collection trying to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball thing explained as related to ham radio related signals.

    xxcarol
    --- SBBSecho 2.11-Win32
    * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS, shenks.synchro.net (1:275/100)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 22:12:14 2022
    Hey Carol!

    The 72 is a hold over from punch card days. Leaves end space for
    control characters.

    I'll have to take your word on that. Last I heard from way-back-when it was teletype's fault. I refuse to vouch for the accuracy of way-back-when especially when it involves memory these days as the old grey brain just ain't like she used to be.

    A reference would be nice. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel.
    Fate ever goes as it must.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.1.16(1)-release (x86_64-moosile-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Mar 21 18:50:35 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Maurice Kinal to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 2022 10:12 pm

    Hey Carol!

    The 72 is a hold over from punch card days. Leaves end space for control characters.

    I'll have to take your word on that. Last I heard from way-back-when it was teletype's fault. I refuse to vouch for the accuracy of way-back-when especially when it involves memory these days as the old grey brain just ain like she used to be.

    A reference would be nice. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel.
    Fate ever goes as it must.

    Reference, 1983, A school in Navy. Also 1989-1995 A school instructor. A schhol is entry level navy training. In 1983 they taught me keypunching for cards. It had 80 characters. Control characters were the reseved space. Teletype redates that so it is possible it has a relation but as best I know, the keypunch card is the one related to modern computer use of the 72 as the older teletype was more of an input expectation without frames expected?

    xxcarol
    --- SBBSecho 2.11-Win32
    * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS, shenks.synchro.net (1:275/100)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 19:28:00 2022
    Hello Carol!

    ** On Monday 21.03.22 - 16:16, you wrote:

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running
    Z5, they might still be here todaay as a zone. In the
    end, it was a collection trying to push fidonet over
    packet radio and some other oddball thing explained as
    related to ham radio related signals.

    The BBS and/or echomail messaging probably had less appeal than
    the new kid in town - internet. Even access to the internet
    via POTS had much fewer busy-signal woes.

    And then, the new fun toy - a smartphone, started to attract
    the masses.

    WRT fidonet of packet radio, I had not heard of the effort. Was
    it announced in any of the Fidonews issues?

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: Mobile? ASIAN_LINK https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6rwskq (2:221/1.58)
  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 22:04:42 2022
    On 21 Mar 2022, Carol Shenkenberger said the following...

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, they might still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collection trying
    to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball thing explained as related to ham radio related signals.

    One thing that I never understood about Z5 and Z6 demise is that at least here, in Latin America, we have a strong retrocomputing community, so every now and then someone from our glorious past joins back to the family. In a slow pace, but steady, we were able to add 10 systems to Argentina, Brazil and Panama in the last 5 years.

    It's been a while since Z5 and Z6 are gone... There should have been someone on that area willing to come back...

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (macOS/64)
    * Origin: Saturn's Orbit BBS - Private System (4:801/188)
  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 22 14:53:53 2022
    Hey Carol!

    Reference, 1983, A school in Navy. Also 1989-1995 A school
    instructor.

    You have my (personal) reference beat as it goes back to a first year university computer science class back around 1973-ish. I definetly don't recall there being line lengths in punch card production. What I do recall from that time is me promising myself to never have anything to do with computers after that experience. I lived up to that promise until the late 1980s and by that time there were no punch cards to be seen, thank goodness. Nine track tapes were just starting to be phased out around then. In fact it was the act of porting data from nine track to exabyte (external scsii on a sparc2 to a networked nine track drive) that prompted me to learn c and unix. ftp became my game with a tad of telnet thrown in. That was just before running across fidonet.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Lef mon læces behofað; læran sceal mon geongne monnan.
    A sick man needs a doctor; a young man should be taught.
    --- GNU bash, version 5.1.16(1)-release (x86_64-moosile-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to August Abolins on Sun Mar 27 14:50:02 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: August Abolins to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 2022 07:28 pm

    Hello Carol!

    ** On Monday 21.03.22 - 16:16, you wrote:

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running
    Z5, they might still be here todaay as a zone. In the
    end, it was a collection trying to push fidonet over
    packet radio and some other oddball thing explained as
    related to ham radio related signals.

    The BBS and/or echomail messaging probably had less appeal than
    the new kid in town - internet. Even access to the internet
    via POTS had much fewer busy-signal woes.

    And then, the new fun toy - a smartphone, started to attract
    the masses.

    WRT fidonet of packet radio, I had not heard of the effort. Was
    it announced in any of the Fidonews issues?

    --
    ../|ug


    No, the packet radio was not. It was also looked at in Rumania (I think it was there).

    xxcarol
    --- SBBSecho 2.11-Win32
    * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS, shenks.synchro.net (1:275/100)
  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Flavio Bessa on Sun Mar 27 14:53:19 2022
    Re: Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Flavio Bessa to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 2022 10:04 pm

    On 21 Mar 2022, Carol Shenkenberger said the following...

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, they migh still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collection trying to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball thing explaine as related to ham radio related signals.

    One thing that I never understood about Z5 and Z6 demise is that at leas here, in Latin America, we have a strong retrocomputing community, so every and then someone from our glorious past joins back to the family. In a slow pace, but steady, we were able to add 10 systems to Argentina, Brazil and Panama in the last 5 years.

    It's been a while since Z5 and Z6 are gone... There should have been someone on that area willing to come back...

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.


    Hehe, I tried with Z6 but in the end, we transitioned the remaining nodes to Z3. There have been a few popping back up, but in Z3.

    xxcarol
    --- SBBSecho 2.11-Win32
    * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS, shenks.synchro.net (1:275/100)
  • From John Dovey@2:460/256 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 28 04:17:56 2022
    Glad to see you, Carol!

    Re: Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Flavio Bessa to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 2022 10:04 pm
    On 21 Mar 2022, Carol Shenkenberger said the following...

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, they migh
    still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collection trying
    to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball thing explaine
    as related to ham radio related signals.

    One thing that I never understood about Z5 and Z6 demise is that at leas
    here, in Latin America, we have a strong retrocomputing community, so every
    and then someone from our glorious past joins back to the family. In a slow
    pace, but steady, we were able to add 10 systems to Argentina, Brazil and
    Panama in the last 5 years.

    It's been a while since Z5 and Z6 are gone... There should have been
    someone on that area willing to come back...

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.

    Hehe, I tried with Z6 but in the end, we transitioned the remaining nodes to
    Z3. There have been a few popping back up, but in Z3.
    xxcarol

    I'm ex Z5, but now Z4. RT is in New Zealand.. I know of only one board running in South Africa, and he's QWKNet only.

    *** [Netmail-to-Telegram address: 474405162@2:460/256]

    ... Tag, you are IT!
    --- tg BBS v0.7.1
    * Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS from Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/256)
  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Jonh on Mon Mar 28 04:38:54 2022
    Glad to see You, John!
    Glad to see you, Carol!
    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, they migh
    still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collection
    trying to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball
    thing explaine as related to ham radio related signals. One thing that I never understood about Z5 and Z6 demise is that at leas here, in Latin America, we have a strong retrocomputing community, so every and then someone from our glorious past joins back to the family. In a slow pace, but steady, we were able to add 10 systems to Argentina, Brazil and Panama in the last 5 years. It's been a
    while since Z5 and Z6 are gone... There should have been someone on
    that area willing to come back... ... I put a dollar in one of
    those change machines. Nothing changed.
    Hehe, I tried with Z6 but in the end, we transitioned the remaining
    nodes to Z3. There have been a few popping back up, but in Z3.
    I'm ex Z5, but now Z4. RT is in New Zealand.. I know of only one board running in South Africa, and he's QWKNet only.

    --- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    * Origin: WinPoint (1:153/757.1315)
  • From Mike Dippel@1:135/393.1 to August Abolins on Sat Apr 2 09:25:30 2022
    On 2/10/2022 4:25 PM, August Abolins wrote to Maurice Kinal:

    Hey Anatol!
    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    Life is good,
    Maurice
    ... Hwon gelpe?, se ?e wide si?a?.
    Little boasts the one who travels widely.

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.


    I was wondering about that as well. I wanted my son to be able to use this forum to
    confer with his girlfriend in Thailand. I'm sure he could still do this, but I thought it was
    dedicated to Asian-related info.

    Mike

    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
    * Origin: The Hobby Line! BBS - hobbylinebbs.com (1:135/393.1)
  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Mike Dippel on Sat Apr 2 18:43:43 2022
    Hi Mike...

    On 2/10/2022 4:25 PM, August Abolins wrote to Maurice Kinal:
    Hey Anatol!
    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    Life is good,
    Maurice
    ... Hwon gelpe?, se ?e wide si?a?.
    Little boasts the one who travels widely.

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    I was wondering about that as well. I wanted my son to be able to use this forum to
    confer with his girlfriend in Thailand. I'm sure he could still do this, but I thought it was
    dedicated to Asian-related info.
    Mike

    Well, apparently the Asian angle/perspective/participants focus is no longer a thing. Internationals from a variety of backgrounds are certainly welcome to the frey. CHAT and COFFEE_KLATSCH are also good places to spread one's keyboard wings.

    Ciao!
    /|ug (https://t.me/aabolins)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MIKE DIPPEL on Tue Apr 5 14:02:00 2022
    I was wondering about that as well. I wanted my son to be able to use this fo
    m to
    confer with his girlfriend in Thailand. I'm sure he could still do this, but thought it was
    dedicated to Asian-related info.

    It used to be. I suspect that, like on another network I used to be on,
    the Asian nodes dried up and/or quit participating and, as a result, the
    "link" was broken.

    If she can find a BBS in Thailand that is willing to carry this echo, then
    it could still suit your purpose.

    Mike


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  • From August Abolins@2:460/256 to Mike Dippel on Tue Apr 5 21:54:12 2022
    Hi Mike...

    On 2/10/2022 4:25 PM, August Abolins wrote to Maurice Kinal:
    Hey Anatol!
    What does Asia has to do with it?
    What does Asia have to do with what?
    Life is good,
    Maurice
    ... Hwon gelpe?, se ?e wide si?a?.
    Little boasts the one who travels widely.

    The origin/concept/purpose of this echo has probably been forgotten.

    I was wondering about that as well. I wanted my son to be able to use this forum to
    confer with his girlfriend in Thailand. I'm sure he could still do this, but I thought it was
    dedicated to Asian-related info.
    Mike

    If either party has Telegram, this echo is readily available on their tablets/phones.

    Just steer them to:

    [ASIAN_LINK](https://t.me/+TlC5K7EkqxOR8E4u) - ASIAN_LINK is a friendly international Fidonet chat echo. All are welcome to participate.

    https://t.me/+TlC5K7EkqxOR8E4u

    Ciao!
    /|ug (https://t.me/aabolins)

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 12 16:40:16 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: August Abolins to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 2022 07:28 pm

    Hello Carol!

    ** On Monday 21.03.22 - 16:16, you wrote:

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running
    Z5, they might still be here todaay as a zone. In the
    end, it was a collection trying to push fidonet over
    packet radio and some other oddball thing explained as
    related to ham radio related signals.

    The BBS and/or echomail messaging probably had less appeal than
    the new kid in town - internet. Even access to the internet
    via POTS had much fewer busy-signal woes.

    And then, the new fun toy - a smartphone, started to attract
    the masses.

    WRT fidonet of packet radio, I had not heard of the effort. Was
    it announced in any of the Fidonews issues?

    --
    ../|ug


    No announcement of it that I am aware of.

    xxcarol

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Flavio Bessa on Tue Apr 12 16:49:26 2022
    Re: Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Flavio Bessa to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 2022 10:04 pm

    On 21 Mar 2022, Carol Shenkenberger said the following...

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, they migh still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collection trying to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball thing explaine as related to ham radio related signals.

    One thing that I never understood about Z5 and Z6 demise is that at leas here, in Latin America, we have a strong retrocomputing community, so every and then someone from our glorious past joins back to the family. In a slow pace, but steady, we were able to add 10 systems to Argentina, Brazil and Panama in the last 5 years.

    It's been a while since Z5 and Z6 are gone... There should have been someone on that area willing to come back...

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.


    I can speak to Z6. When I left, I had no one able (or if able, willing) to keep it going. We voted to move to Z3 so did that. I transitioned 8 members (I think it was that) to a net in southern Z3 who had the right connectivity under a good NC of the time, then moved stateside again. Russel Teidt was left with less to work with and finally tossed in the towel.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to John Dovey on Tue Apr 12 16:52:46 2022
    Re: Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: John Dovey to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 28 2022 04:17 am

    Glad to see you, Carol!

    Re: Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Flavio Bessa to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 21 2022 10:04 pm
    On 21 Mar 2022, Carol Shenkenberger said the following...

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, t
    migh
    still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collectio
    trying
    to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball thing
    explaine
    as related to ham radio related signals.

    One thing that I never understood about Z5 and Z6 demise is that
    leas
    here, in Latin America, we have a strong retrocomputing community, s
    every
    and then someone from our glorious past joins back to the family. In
    slow
    pace, but steady, we were able to add 10 systems to Argentina, Brazi
    and
    Panama in the last 5 years.

    It's been a while since Z5 and Z6 are gone... There should have
    been
    someone on that area willing to come back...

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.

    Hehe, I tried with Z6 but in the end, we transitioned the remaining nod
    to
    Z3. There have been a few popping back up, but in Z3.
    xxcarol

    I'm ex Z5, but now Z4. RT is in New Zealand.. I know of only one board runni in South Africa, and he's QWKNet only.

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    ... Tag, you are IT!

    Is he! I'll see if I can find him. We were good friends until I lost contact.

    xxcarol
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  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Apr 13 10:47:20 2022

    Hello Carol!

    12 Apr 22 16:49, you wrote to Flavio Bessa:

    Russel Teidt was left with less to work with and
    finally tossed in the towel.

    Russel, is a ZIN under Zone3. atm....


    ,50,Kaffeien_Caffe,Bloemfontein_ZA,Russell_Tiedt,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:kaffeien.ddns.net




    Stephen


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  • From Dave Perrussel@1:275/89 to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Apr 15 18:34:11 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Carol Shenkenberger to Maurice Kinal on Mon Mar 21 2022 04:07 pm

    The 72 is a hold over from punch card days. Leaves end space for control characters.

    xxcarol

    I remember programming in FORTRAN about 35 years ago. You had to start on column 7 because anything to the left of that was reserved for line numbers and other stuff.

    Amazing how much of that sticks with you.

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Stephen Walsh on Mon Apr 18 17:07:48 2022
    Re: Asia/Asian?
    By: Stephen Walsh to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Apr 13 2022 10:47 am

    Hello Carol!

    12 Apr 22 16:49, you wrote to Flavio Bessa:

    Russel Teidt was left with less to work with and
    finally tossed in the towel.

    Russel, is a ZIN under Zone3. atm....


    ,50,Kaffeien_Caffe,Bloemfontein_ZA,Russell_Tiedt,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:ka




    Stephen



    Thanks!

    xxcarol
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue May 17 10:15:42 2022
    Hi, Flavio Bessa & Carol Shenkenberger ...

    I think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, they
    migh CS> still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collection
    trying CS> to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball thing
    explaine CS> as related to ham radio related signals.

    One thing that I never understood about Z5 and Z6 demise is that at leas
    here, in Latin America, we have a strong retrocomputing community, so
    every and then someone from our glorious past joins back to the family.
    In a slow pace, but steady, we were able to add 10 systems to Argentina,
    Brazil and Panama in the last 5 years.

    It's been a while since Z5 and Z6 are gone... There should have been
    someone on that area willing to come back...

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.


    Hehe, I tried with Z6 but in the end, we transitioned the remaining nodes to Z3. There have been a few popping back up, but in Z3.

    xxcarol
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to John Dovey on Sat Jan 7 20:00:22 2023
    Glad to see you, Carol!

    Re: Re: Asia/Asian? By: Flavio Bessa to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar
    21 2022 10:04 pm
    On 21 Mar 2022, Carol Shenkenberger said the following... > > CS> I
    think if telegram existed when Russel Tiedt was running Z5, they migh >
    still be here todaay as a zone. In the end, it was a collection
    trying > CS> to push fidonet over packet radio and some other oddball
    thing explaine > CS> as related to ham radio related signals. > >
    One thing that I never understood about Z5 and Z6 demise is that at leas
    here, in Latin America, we have a strong retrocomputing community, so
    every > and then someone from our glorious past joins back to the
    family. In a slow > pace, but steady, we were able to add 10 systems to
    Argentina, Brazil and > Panama in the last 5 years. > > It's been a
    while since Z5 and Z6 are gone... There should have been > someone on
    that area willing to come back... > > ... I put a dollar in one of
    those change machines. Nothing changed. >
    Hehe, I tried with Z6 but in the end, we transitioned the remaining
    nodes to Z3. There have been a few popping back up, but in Z3.
    xxcarol

    I'm ex Z5, but now Z4. RT is in New Zealand.. I know of only one board running in South Africa, and he's QWKNet only.
    What is RT, John?



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