• 90 bottles of beer on the wall...

    From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.250 to Nancy Backus on Tue Oct 3 03:07:18 2017
    Hey Nancy!

    Probably best to not strain the budget....

    What budget? I think it broke ages ago if what was happening then could be called a budget. :-/

    Anyhow I doubt the 15 year old will make it to 2024 so I probably will have to do something more dramatic for that occasion. We'll see when we get there I am
    sure.

    I'll still be on the bottle I just purchased... they tend to last
    me for years

    Show off. I'll see if I can replicate that with the 15 year old. I think that
    might be doable ... 2019-01-01 that is. 2024-11-05 looks to be a bridge too far from the current perspective.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Oct 3 17:07:04 2017
    Hello Maurice,

    On Tue Oct 03 2017 03:07:18, Maurice Kinal wrote to Nancy Backus:

    What budget? I think it broke ages ago if what was happening then
    could be called a budget. :-/

    Speaking of budget strain, I just made a nice little purchase. I'll get more into detail when I have more time for a lengthy write-up as well as some of the
    tinkering involved the past few days. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Oct 3 23:03:26 2017
    Hey Nicholas!

    Speaking of budget strain, I just made a nice little purchase.

    I believe that 'budget strain' and 'purchase' are synonymous, especially when 'purchase' is an unexpected and required expense such as trees breaching a roof
    during a storm. However given the 'nice little' preceding purchase I am guessing it is desirable in your case.

    I'll get more into detail when I have more time

    I'll be here.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Oct 3 21:42:18 2017
    Hello Maurice,

    On Tue Oct 03 2017 23:03:26, Maurice Kinal wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Speaking of budget strain, I just made a nice little purchase.

    I believe that 'budget strain' and 'purchase' are synonymous,
    especially when 'purchase' is an unexpected and required expense such
    as trees breaching a roof during a storm. However given the 'nice
    little' preceding purchase I am guessing it is desirable in your case.

    True. It wasn't a budget strain, it was just the closest conversation I could jump into that would be on topic. ;)

    I'll get more into detail when I have more time

    I'll be here.

    I'm fairly certain I'll be ditching both Rpi3's in the near future. I just got the winning bid (the only bid!) on ebay for an HP Proliant ML310e Gen8 server, 3.3ghz Xeon quad core processor, 32gb ram, 2x1TB hd's in raid 1, onboard raid controller, iLO, all the bells and whistles. I was actually surprised it came with Windows Server 2012 R2 activated, but I wiped it anyways.. cuz it's Windows. ;)

    Been tinkering for the past few days. I've never messed with a server before, so I've gone through a LOT of trial and error (mostly error). But I'm getting more comfortable with it, and am now testing out VMWare ESXi as well as Proxmox
    (currently). There will be many virtualizations in my future. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Oct 4 03:29:30 2017
    Hey Nicholas!

    it was just the closest conversation I could jump into that would
    be on topic.

    Ah! I changed the subject to 89 as that even makes it closer numerically speaking to what the subject was (is?).

    HP Proliant ML310e Gen8 server

    That looks pretty good from what I just read about it online. I think you'll want to add a pcie usb3 to it as I didn't notice any onboard usb3. I recommend
    having at least one usb3 port for hot swapping drives. Speaking for myself I have been spoiled by usb3 hotswapping drives and would insist that any future motherboard be usb3 capable.

    3.3ghz Xeon quad core processor

    E3-1200 series. You should be getting 8 penguins on bootup given 2 threads per
    core. :-)

    A modern E3-1200 is on my wishlist although I might be persuaded to go with a 16 core Atom if the opportunity presented itself today.

    32gb ram

    A tad overkill but since it came with the system what the heck. I have 32gb ddr3 ecc ram on the server here which is likely what you have there. ecc is worth the additional expense but next time I'd probably settle for 16gb.

    Maybe 32gb on a 16 core cpu, especially if running multiple virtualized systems.

    but I wiped it anyways.. cuz it's Windows.

    That makes perfect sense to me.

    I've never messed with a server before

    I prefer them to desktops.

    There will be many virtualizations in my future.

    Not at the moment but I have had fun with virtualization in the past. I'd probably be more tempted if I had the proper hardware to swap out to a virtualized subspace. The HP and Xeon E3 ought to be ready willing and able to
    do proper hardware swapping. Given what you now have a proper virtuallized network should be quite attractive I would think.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Oct 4 16:16:46 2017
    Hello Maurice,

    On Wed Oct 04 2017 03:29:30, Maurice Kinal wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    HP Proliant ML310e Gen8 server

    That looks pretty good from what I just read about it online. I think you'll want to add a pcie usb3 to it as I didn't notice any onboard
    usb3. I recommend having at least one usb3 port for hot swapping
    drives. Speaking for myself I have been spoiled by usb3 hotswapping drives and would insist that any future motherboard be usb3 capable.

    At the moment I don't really have much use for USB. VMs haven't seemed to install properly booting from a USB stick in recent attempts, so I've been using the DVD-ROM as well as just loading the ISO from the local drive. I've been tinkering with both VMWare ESXi as well as Proxmox, both of which have their own pros and cons as I think I'm going to go that route for the server and worry about all my actual servers being separated and virtualized, rather than in the past running and managing multiple servers on one OS. However, if and when I do need it, I'd most likely go that route. I'm already looking into a couple more hard drives so I don't have to worry about space in the near future.

    3.3ghz Xeon quad core processor

    E3-1200 series. You should be getting 8 penguins on bootup given 2 threads per core. :-)

    Yep! I was looking at dual Xeon processor servers too, but the fact that it was
    brand new still in the original packaging and the price of this Proliant was just too good to pass up ($299).

    32gb ram

    A tad overkill but since it came with the system what the heck. I
    have 32gb ddr3 ecc ram on the server here which is likely what you
    have there. ecc is worth the additional expense but next time I'd probably settle for 16gb.

    Yeah, most likely overkill, but on the other hand, I won't have to worry about upgrading. ;)

    I've never messed with a server before

    I prefer them to desktops.

    It's growing on me fairly quickly. All I need a desktop for is my gaming addiction. ;)

    The HP and Xeon E3 ought to be ready willing and able to do proper hardware swapping. Given what you now have a proper virtuallized
    network should be quite attractive I would think.

    Agreed. I'm taking my time trying things out to see what I like, and so I don't
    pick something I'll want to change soon after when I have a bunch of VMs already setup. Once I make that decision I may make some room to give LFS some more of my time. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Oct 4 22:01:03 2017
    Hey Nicholas!

    VMs haven't seemed to install properly booting from a USB stick in
    recent attempts, so I've been using the DVD-ROM as well as just
    loading the ISO from the local drive.

    I've never tried booting a VM from USB stick but have recently booted a maintenence system from a usb flash drive using the usb3 addon card. Mostly I use it to copy development images I created to a regular sata drive (sometimes a ssd) and make it bootable for a targetted system. I was using it to create bootable uSD cards for the raspi3 via a card reader plugged into one of the ports on the addon card.

    I'm already looking into a couple more hard drives so I don't
    have to worry about space in the near future.

    I have trouble filling up a single drive nevermind more. As we speak my latest
    custom build for a 8 core (single thread per core) C2758 sits at around 750M for the root/boot system and around 800M for all the source, build scripts and latest packages built from the source and acripts. At this rate it would take forever for me to fill a terrabyte drive, nevermind multiple ones. However I do have backup drives although they probably need to be upgraded soon.

    Once I make that decision I may make some room to give LFS some
    more of my time.

    Definetly well worth whatever space you dedicate to it ... and then some. These days 8G is more than enough free space to build a custom root/boot. I think between two terrabyte drives you should be able to find enough space for it.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Oct 5 16:09:56 2017
    Hello Maurice,

    On Wed Oct 04 2017 22:01:02, Maurice Kinal wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    VMs haven't seemed to install properly booting from a USB stick
    in recent attempts, so I've been using the DVD-ROM as well as
    just loading the ISO from the local drive.

    I've never tried booting a VM from USB stick but have recently booted
    a maintenence system from a usb flash drive using the usb3 addon card. Mostly I use it to copy development images I created to a regular sata drive (sometimes a ssd) and make it bootable for a targetted system.
    I was using it to create bootable uSD cards for the raspi3 via a card reader plugged into one of the ports on the addon card.

    It's odd, I don't do anything different with the USB stick, besides hit F11 for
    the boot menu at startup and select the USB drive to be loaded from first.

    Then I go through the same install procedure as I normally would, and when it comes time to reboot into my newly created system, it hangs on boot because it doesn't recognize any operating system. Wierd stuff, I tell ya!

    I'm already looking into a couple more hard drives so I don't
    have to worry about space in the near future.

    I have trouble filling up a single drive nevermind more. As we speak
    my latest custom build for a 8 core (single thread per core) C2758
    sits at around 750M for the root/boot system and around 800M for all
    the source, build scripts and latest packages built from the source
    and acripts. At this rate it would take forever for me to fill a terrabyte drive, nevermind multiple ones. However I do have backup
    drives although they probably need to be upgraded soon.

    I plan on having one VM dedicated to a media server. So I'm sure at some point I'll end up using up all my space. Unless I keep it clean and wipe what I *think* we're done with (probably only to find out later we weren't really done
    with it). Our kids will want to watch a movie they haven't seen in 6 months sometimes, so I have to be careful what I get rid of. ;)

    Once I make that decision I may make some room to give LFS some
    more of my time.

    Definetly well worth whatever space you dedicate to it ... and then
    some. These days 8G is more than enough free space to build a custom root/boot. I think between two terrabyte drives you should be able to find enough space for it.

    I may not even use it for any kind of productive system whatsoever. I just want
    to do it for the experience at the moment. Who knows, though. After I actually complete it I may be interested enough to continue on with it.

    Seems as though for the first time doing it, it will take extra long since I need to go through the entire book (it's a big book!) to make sure I don't miss
    anything. I've read the first 5-6 chapters and skimmed the rest a couple of times now already just to get myself ready for what's to come. It's definitely intimidating, but I'll eventually overcome when I have some free time and the server is deployed full time. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Oct 5 21:45:21 2017
    Hey Nicholas!

    it hangs on boot because it doesn't recognize any operating
    system. Wierd stuff, I tell ya!

    Yes it is. I am betting it has something to do with (U)EFI in the bios. Also HP likes to do things differently without informing anybody that matters. I haven't had a HP server for a couple decades now but I do recall the last one being a real pain until I finally got it straight, and then it was rock solid.
    That would have been in the mid to late 1990's so it has been awhile and there was no (U)EFI crap back then.

    I plan on having one VM dedicated to a media server.

    That makes sense given what little I know about your network there.

    Unless I keep it clean and wipe what I *think* we're done with
    (probably only to find out later we weren't really done with it).

    Heh, heh. Good luck with that.

    it will take extra long since I need to go through the entire book

    Understood. Take your time. I see no need for rushing.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Oct 5 20:34:22 2017
    Hello Maurice,

    On Thu Oct 05 2017 21:45:20, Maurice Kinal wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    it hangs on boot because it doesn't recognize any operating
    system. Wierd stuff, I tell ya!

    Yes it is. I am betting it has something to do with (U)EFI in the
    bios. Also HP likes to do things differently without informing
    anybody that matters. I haven't had a HP server for a couple decades
    now but I do recall the last one being a real pain until I finally got
    it straight, and then it was rock solid. That would have been in the
    mid to late 1990's so it has been awhile and there was no (U)EFI crap
    back then.

    I'm not even sure it has UEFI. I can't see anything in the BIOS about it. So now you've sparked my interest, and I found a link on the HP website that gave me a clue. I've been partitioning with GPT, and it seems I need to do it with MBR only. At least now I know why. ;)

    it will take extra long since I need to go through the entire
    book

    Understood. Take your time. I see no need for rushing.

    Something I have very little of, but winter here is coming soon. That's my time
    to hibernate inside (my job is primarily outdoors).

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:229/452 to Maurice Kinal on Thu Oct 5 21:17:46 2017
    Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 03-Oct-2017 03:07 <=-

    Probably best to not strain the budget....

    What budget? I think it broke ages ago if what was happening then
    could be called a budget. :-/

    Ok, then, the pocketbook... ;)

    Anyhow I doubt the 15 year old will make it to 2024 so I probably will have to do something more dramatic for that occasion. We'll see when
    we get there I am sure.

    That is a little ways off yet, to be sure.... I might even need to get something more by that point... :)

    I'll still be on the bottle I just purchased... they tend to last
    me for years

    Show off. I'll see if I can replicate that with the 15 year old. I
    think that might be doable ... 2019-01-01 that is.

    Depends how much help you have in polishing it off... if you can keep it
    mostly under wraps, it should last at least to 2019, maybe even to
    2020... :)

    2024-11-05 looks to be a bridge too far from the current perspective.

    And possibly worth a special purchase by then, anyway... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Nicholas Boel on Fri Oct 6 03:55:29 2017
    Hey Nicholas!

    I've been partitioning with GPT, and it seems I need to do it
    with MBR only. At least now I know why.

    Right. The neighbour had that exact problem about a couple or few years ago. I tried gpt when it first reared it's ugly head and never cared much for it. So far I have gotten away with the old fashioned mbr way but had to do some jiggery-pokery on the Supermicro A1SRM-2758F board's bios to ensure it would boot.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Don't cry for me I have vi.
    --- GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-silvermont-linux-gnu)
    * Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)