• Most recent elisting of this area

    From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to All on Fri Jan 22 10:17:31 2021
    Hi All,

    The most recent one I found is from: 01 DECEMBER 2004


    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:379/5 Group: FIDO
    Distribution: Z1-Z6 BackBones, FidoSpine, Z1B
    Gateways:
    Language: English
    # Nodes: N/A Volume: N/A Rules:
    Flags: <Real Names Only>
    Notes: /REA
    Moderators: Barry Bogart, 1:260/432
    Bobby Queen, 1:379/5, wizard@shelby.net
    Last changed: 14-Jun-2004 by wizard@shelby.net, 1:261/1551, Bobby Queen <wizard@shelby.net>
    WARNING! This listing is subject to being removed within the next 30
    days if it is not updated by a moderator or messenger.



    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.2 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jan 23 08:40:18 2021
    Hi All,

    The most recent one I found is from: 01 DECEMBER 2004


    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:379/5 Group: FIDO
    Distribution: Z1-Z6 BackBones, FidoSpine, Z1B
    Gateways:
    Language: English
    # Nodes: N/A Volume: N/A Rules:
    Flags: <Real Names Only>
    Notes: /REA
    Moderators: Barry Bogart, 1:260/432
    Bobby Queen, 1:379/5, wizard@shelby.net
    Last changed: 14-Jun-2004 by wizard@shelby.net, 1:261/1551, Bobby Queen <wizard@shelby.net>
    WARNING! This listing is subject to being removed within the next 30
    days if it is not updated by a moderator or messenger.

    PMFJI.. I just happened to notice some life in here.

    So.. is this one making the rounds? Is it worth it? (to keep the "aliases allowed" status? ..and is someone assuming the mod role?
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Sat Jan 23 17:45:40 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-01-23 08:40:18, you wrote to me:

    The most recent one I found is from: 01 DECEMBER 2004


    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:379/5 Group: FIDO
    Distribution: Z1-Z6 BackBones, FidoSpine, Z1B
    Gateways:
    Language: English
    # Nodes: N/A Volume: N/A Rules:
    Flags: <Real Names Only>
    Notes: /REA
    Moderators: Barry Bogart, 1:260/432
    Bobby Queen, 1:379/5, wizard@shelby.net
    Last changed: 14-Jun-2004 by wizard@shelby.net, 1:261/1551, Bobby
    Queen <wizard@shelby.net>

    Btw: Those nodes and sysops haven't been in the nodelist for more then 15 years.

    WARNING! This listing is subject to being removed within the next
    30
    days if it is not updated by a moderator or messenger.

    PMFJI.. I just happened to notice some life in here.

    So.. is this one making the rounds?

    Look at the seenby's below. I've seen bigger, but it reaches a fair amount of nodes.

    And I only have a couple of messages this month in this area, and before that just a single one from 2016.

    Is it worth it? (to keep the "aliases allowed" status?

    Above is says "Real Names Only", and I like that, but well, "ANYTHING_GOES"... ;)

    ..and is someone assuming the mod role?

    Do we need one? If anything goes? ;)

    SEEN-BY: 103/705 106/127 124/5016 153/757 802 6809 203/0 221/0 1 6 360 SEEN-BY: 240/5832 280/464 292/8125 335/364 423/81 120 460/58 712/848 SEEN-BY: 4500/1
    @PATH: 153/757 221/6 1 280/464

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to August Abolins on Sat Jan 23 11:40:22 2021
    On 23 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...
    PMFJI.. I just happened to notice some life in here.

    So.. is this one making the rounds? Is it worth it? (to keep the

    You never know. I'm exploring whatever echo areas my feed carries slowwly.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jan 23 11:46:48 2021
    On 23 Jan 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...
    Moderators: Barry Bogart, 1:260/432
    Bobby Queen, 1:379/5, wizard@shelby.net
    Last changed: 14-Jun-2004 by wizard@shelby.net, 1:261/1551, Bobby
    Queen <wizard@shelby.net>

    Btw: Those nodes and sysops haven't been in the nodelist for more then
    15 years.

    Bobby Queen is a familiar name. From years ago as you said.
    PMFJI.. I just happened to notice some life in here.

    So.. is this one making the rounds?

    Look at the seenby's below. I've seen bigger, but it reaches a fair
    amount of nodes.
    And I only have a couple of messages this month in this area, and before that just a single one from 2016.


    Yeah, me and my exploring echos. Probably skewing the stats for people.
    Is it worth it? (to keep the "aliases allowed" status?

    Above is says "Real Names Only", and I like that, but well, "ANYTHING_GOES"... ;)


    Real Names or Handles, I'm good either way.

    ..and is someone assuming the mod role?

    Do we need one? If anything goes? ;)


    It's not even something to worry about unless it starts getting actual
    traffic.

    By the way, where do you find thise old listing Wilfred?

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Charles Pierson on Sat Jan 23 19:55:06 2021
    Hi Charles,

    On 2021-01-23 11:46:48, you wrote to me:

    Moderators: Barry Bogart, 1:260/432
    Bobby Queen, 1:379/5, wizard@shelby.net
    Last changed: 14-Jun-2004 by wizard@shelby.net, 1:261/1551,
    Bobby
    Queen <wizard@shelby.net>

    Btw: Those nodes and sysops haven't been in the nodelist for more then
    15 years.

    Bobby Queen is a familiar name. From years ago as you said.

    I don't remember him.

    PMFJI.. I just happened to notice some life in here.

    So.. is this one making the rounds?

    Look at the seenby's below. I've seen bigger, but it reaches a fair
    amount of nodes. And I only have a couple of messages this month in
    this area, and before that just a single one from 2016.

    Yeah, me and my exploring echos. Probably skewing the stats for
    people.

    Maybe you should let these dead areas R.I.P. ! ;)

    Is it worth it? (to keep the "aliases allowed" status?

    Above is says "Real Names Only", and I like that, but well,
    "ANYTHING_GOES"... ;)

    Real Names or Handles, I'm good either way.

    Fidonet is mostly Real Names only. The less exceptions the less confusing it is, and the less discussions it will trigger.

    ..and is someone assuming the mod role?

    Do we need one? If anything goes? ;)

    It's not even something to worry about unless it starts getting actual traffic.

    It's nothing to worry about unless someone misuses his freedom.

    By the way, where do you find thise old listing Wilfred?

    A while back I downloaded all the old elisting files I could find, so I have an archive that goes back as far as 1987. But the early years are far from complete.

    Janis also has a lot of them: http://www.filegate.net/echolist/


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jan 23 14:48:07 2021
    On 23 Jan 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...
    Bobby Queen is a familiar name. From years ago as you said.

    I don't remember him.

    I think I recognize his name from BATPOWER. I followed that Echo a lot.
    Yeah, me and my exploring echos. Probably skewing the stats for people.

    Maybe you should let these dead areas R.I.P. ! ;)

    They way I see it, they might get used again, or sysops will clean them off their systems so they can vanish into the night.

    Real Names or Handles, I'm good either way.

    Fidonet is mostly Real Names only. The less exceptions the less
    confusing it is, and the less discussions it will trigger.


    I don't get that. If you don't like the rules of an echo, don't use the Echo. simple enough.

    It's not even something to worry about unless it starts getting actua traffic.

    It's nothing to worry about unless someone misuses his freedom.

    There is that.

    By the way, where do you find thise old listing Wilfred?

    A while back I downloaded all the old elisting files I could find, so I have an
    archive that goes back as far as 1987. But the early years are far
    from
    complete.

    Janis also has a lot of them: http://www.filegate.net/echolist/

    Thanks. I'd like to check those out.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Charles Pierson on Sat Jan 23 23:00:55 2021
    Hi Charles,

    On 2021-01-23 14:48:07, you wrote to me:

    Bobby Queen is a familiar name. From years ago as you said.

    I don't remember him.

    I think I recognize his name from BATPOWER. I followed that Echo a lot.

    Another one of those dead areas? I see some of my links have it, but it doesn't exist on my system.

    Maybe you should let these dead areas R.I.P. ! ;)

    They way I see it, they might get used again,

    There is always someone that asks if the area is still active in those areas. :-/

    or sysops will clean them off their systems so they can vanish into
    the night.

    Some do, but don't bother to disconnect it from their links. So if there is a message, they still get it and the area might get auto created again.

    Which ever way, areas never vanish completely...

    Real Names or Handles, I'm good either way.

    Fidonet is mostly Real Names only. The less exceptions the less
    confusing it is, and the less discussions it will trigger.

    I don't get that. If you don't like the rules of an echo, don't use
    the Echo. simple enough.

    With these dead areas "the rules" don't exist anymore.


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jan 23 17:26:44 2021
    On 23 Jan 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...
    I think I recognize his name from BATPOWER. I followed that Echo a lo

    Another one of those dead areas? I see some of my links have it, but it doesn't
    exist on my system.

    Yes. It's dead now. But I learned a lot back in the days when I did Batch Files. Those are some archives that I'd like to find.

    Maybe you should let these dead areas R.I.P. ! ;)

    They way I see it, they might get used again,

    There is always someone that asks if the area is still active in those areas. :-/


    That's from Sysop's not taking dead areas off of their system. Users either
    see the area and question it, or downlinks see it available and do so.
    Some do, but don't bother to disconnect it from their links. So if there is a message, they still get it and the area might get auto created
    again.

    Which ever way, areas never vanish completely...

    That's not necessarily a bad thing.

    I don't get that. If you don't like the rules of an echo, don't use the Echo. simple enough.

    With these dead areas "the rules" don't exist anymore.


    So what room does anyone have to complain about what happens then?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Charles Pierson on Sat Jan 23 15:34:40 2021
    Re: Re: Most recent elisting of this area
    By: Charles Pierson to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Jan 23 2021 05:26 pm

    Yes. It's dead now. But I learned a lot back in the days when I did Batch Files. Those are some archives that I'd like to find.

    I am connected to that area but have not seen new files in there. It's possible you could find files in that area at..

    http://www.filegate.net/bfds/ <- don't forget the ending /

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... 1st rule of intelligent tinkering - save all the parts
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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Alan Ianson on Sat Jan 23 18:05:21 2021
    On 23 Jan 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...
    Yes. It's dead now. But I learned a lot back in the days when I did B Files. Those are some archives that I'd like to find.

    I am connected to that area but have not seen new files in there. It's possible
    you could find files in that area at..

    http://www.filegate.net/bfds/ <- don't forget the ending /

    Thanks. I was referring to the message area Archives. I liked the stuff explained there.

    If I ever managed to cobble together one of my antique systems to run some
    form of DOS I'd probably snag any files there for sure though.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Charles Pierson on Sun Jan 24 13:08:02 2021
    Hi Charles,

    On 2021-01-23 17:26:44, you wrote to me:

    I think I recognize his name from BATPOWER. I followed that Echo
    a lo

    Another one of those dead areas? I see some of my links have it, but
    it doesn't exist on my system.

    Yes. It's dead now. But I learned a lot back in the days when I did Batch Files. Those are some archives that I'd like to find.

    Here's some: https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/bbs/msgs/dynamic-frame.plx?&schema=fidonet&echo=batpower

    Some do, but don't bother to disconnect it from their links. So if
    there is a message, they still get it and the area might get auto
    created again.

    Which ever way, areas never vanish completely...

    That's not necessarily a bad thing.

    I don't know. Maybe some should become read-only, to keep its history as an archive. And no one should be allowed to post in it. But that is impossible with to realise...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.2 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Jan 25 09:24:39 2021
    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:379/5 Group: FIDO
    Distribution: Z1-Z6 BackBones, FidoSpine, Z1B

    So.. is this one making the rounds?

    Look at the seenby's below. I've seen bigger, but it reaches a fair amount of nodes.

    I'm not officially linked up to this one. I'm just reading this through the public webby portal that TRMB provides. There is no "see kludges/seen-bys" this way. The seen-by list looks impressive.


    Is it worth it? (to keep the "aliases allowed" status?

    Above is says "Real Names Only", and I like that, but well, "ANYTHING_GOES"... ;)

    I wasn't paying attention to the written description. I thought someone said this echo was one of the few that allowed aliases.


    ..and is someone assuming the mod role?

    Do we need one? If anything goes? ;)

    So true! LOL
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.2 to Charles Pierson on Mon Jan 25 09:35:36 2021
    Fidonet is mostly Real Names only. The less exceptions the less confusing it is, and the less discussions it will trigger.


    I don't get that. If you don't like the rules of an echo, don't use the Echo. simple enough.

    The problem is that "the rules" are not readily obvious to a newcomer. At best, rules might get posted once a month (if there someone who has assumed a mod role). But a newcomer could arrive 29 days before the next rules posting.
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.2 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Jan 25 09:51:26 2021

    Which ever way, areas never vanish completely...

    That's not necessarily a bad thing.

    I don't know. Maybe some should become read-only, to keep its history as an archive. And no one should be allowed to post in it. But that is impossible with to realise...

    Yes.. that would be hard to get a fidonet-wide consensus to do that.

    However, having some echos revitalized by showing up could be a good thing. What's lacking is attracting a userbase to maintain the chat momentum. Where *is* everybody?

    I told a cousin of mine that I would be reducing my FB usage next to zero. And if she wanted to reach me then she could try https://t.me/aabolins ..and go from there. She's still sticking with FB; based on all the selfie's and automatic live posting of the most recent restaurant or shopping destination, she's not much of a conversationalist anyway.
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Mon Jan 25 18:59:49 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-01-25 09:24:39, you wrote to me:

    Is it worth it? (to keep the "aliases allowed" status?

    Above is says "Real Names Only", and I like that, but well,
    "ANYTHING_GOES"... ;)

    I wasn't paying attention to the written description. I thought someone said this echo was one of the few that allowed aliases.

    I think I saw that too, but the elisting says something else.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Mon Jan 25 19:02:13 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-01-25 09:51:26, you wrote to me:

    I don't know. Maybe some should become read-only, to keep its history
    as an archive. And no one should be allowed to post in it. But that is
    impossible with to realise...

    Yes.. that would be hard to get a fidonet-wide consensus to do that.

    It's impossible. Best would be if it was a technical feature. But since it isn't. And it won't happen that every used piece of software in fidonet will be updated to support it.

    However, having some echos revitalized by showing up could be a good thing.

    I think there's plenty of areas already. More isn't necessarily better. Everybody has limited time to spend in fido. So concentrating this in a few areas is better then spreading it out over more and more... If you do that enough everyone has his own favourite area, and everybody is talking to himself. ;)

    What's lacking is attracting a userbase to maintain the chat momentum. Where *is* everybody?

    I think we've passed that station, fidonet is slowely dying... :-(

    I told a cousin of mine that I would be reducing my FB usage next to
    zero. And if she wanted to reach me then she could try https://t.me/aabolins ..and go from there. She's still sticking with
    FB; based on all the selfie's and automatic live posting of the most recent restaurant or shopping destination, she's not much of a conversationalist anyway.

    ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to August Abolins on Mon Jan 25 14:34:34 2021
    Re: Re: Most recent elisting of this area
    By: August Abolins to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Jan 25 2021 09:24 am

    Above is says "Real Names Only", and I like that, but well,
    "ANYTHING_GOES"... ;)

    I wasn't paying attention to the written description. I thought someone said this echo was one of the few that allowed aliases.

    That was me who said that. As far as I remember this was an area where alias's could and would be used if folks wanted too. Several did use an alias and folks would use their real name if that's what they wanted.

    I see in Bobby Queen's rules he stipulated real names. Bobby Queen "rescued" a lot of areas in the early 2000's but I think the original rules didn't do that although I don't know who the original moderator is now, or if there is a record of those rules.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Error: The system has been taken over by sheep at line 19960
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Alan Ianson on Mon Jan 25 20:07:00 2021
    Hello Alan!

    ** On Monday 25.01.21 - 14:34, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

    I see in Bobby Queen's rules he stipulated real names.
    Bobby Queen "rescued" a lot of areas in the early 2000's
    but I think the original rules didn't do that although I
    don't know who the original moderator is now, or if there
    is a record of those rules.

    The BQ name sounds very familiar to me.

    A record of the rules should be in the echolist archives that
    someone pointed you to.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.48
    * Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)
  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Jan 25 21:06:00 2021
    Hello Wilfred!

    ** On Monday 25.01.21 - 19:02, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

    I don't know. Maybe some should become read-only, to keep
    its history

    Yes.. that would be hard to get a fidonet-wide consensus
    to do that.

    It's impossible. Best would be if it was a technical
    feature. But since it isn't. And it won't happen that
    every used piece of software in fidonet will be updated to
    support it.

    I guess that is what netmail is for! <g> But, it's not good
    for sysops who are generally hands-off with these things and
    prefer automation to rule.

    The enthusiasm to improve the echomail system simply dwindled
    among the remaining sysops when "internet" seduced people away
    from doing things on BBSes. :(


    However, having some echos revitalized by showing up could
    be a good thing.

    I think there's plenty of areas already. More isn't
    necessarily better.

    True. It's a matter of promoting what is already configured and
    ready to rock'n'roll.


    Everybody has limited time to spend in fido. So
    concentrating this in a few areas is better then spreading
    it out over more and more... If you do that enough
    everyone has his own favourite area, and everybody is
    talking to himself. ;)

    What this hobby needs are sysops who are either young people who
    don't have adulting responsibilities or seniors who still have
    lucid minds.

    Wrt to spreading out the conversations over echos, that would be
    necessary as people delve into specific topics. But generic
    echos (coffee_klatsch, chat, asian_link) are perfect entry
    points for conversation. Then, as people get familiar with
    their BBS or Boss, they can learn about echos that could cater
    to more specific topics.

    The problem with this echomail hobby is lack of awareness and
    promotion.


    What's lacking is attracting a userbase to maintain the
    chat momentum. Where *is* everybody?

    I think we've passed that station, fidonet is slowely
    dying... :-(

    Promotion! Maybe we need to offer hats with MEGA (make echomail
    great again) LOL


    ..a cousin of mine.. She's still sticking with FB; based
    on all the selfie's and automatic live posting of the most
    recent restaurant or shopping destination, she's not much
    of a conversationalist anyway.

    ;)

    She's a bad example. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned her. She
    doesn't even use email very much. Her "email" is FB Messenger
    (the chat mechanism). Since she was used to that, I thought
    Telegram wouldn't be too hard for her. She primarily wanted my
    cellphone number, but I did not want to disclose it. Telegram
    seemed to the next best option - for her. I would not expect
    her to be interested in the echos.

    But I had a few other people (ex echomail users) poised to join
    us in the generic chat echos. They were under the assumption
    that echomail died in 2000 when dial-up died. Again.. this is
    all due to unawareness of the current state of things and the
    modern internet-way to rejoin echomail.
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.48
    * Origin: My Westcoast Point (1:153/757.21)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Alan Ianson on Tue Jan 26 13:48:57 2021
    Hi Alan,

    On 2021-01-25 14:34:34, you wrote to August Abolins:

    I wasn't paying attention to the written description. I thought
    someone said this echo was one of the few that allowed aliases.

    That was me who said that. As far as I remember this was an area where alias's could and would be used if folks wanted too. Several did use an alias and folks would use their real name if that's what they wanted.

    I see in Bobby Queen's rules he stipulated real names. Bobby Queen "rescued" a lot of areas in the early 2000's but I think the original rules
    didn't do that although I don't know who the original moderator is now, or if there is a record of those rules.

    Here are some of the elistings from the first one I could find:

    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    A Net260 & Net2613 echo without heavy moderation.
    Origin: 1:2613/5
    Distribution: Net260 and Net2613
    Gateways:
    Language:
    # Nodes: Volume: Rules:
    Flags:
    Moderators: David Moufarrege, 1:2613/404
    Last changed: 05 Aug 97 by david@kraut.xg.com

    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation.
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:2613/404 Group: Fido
    Distribution: FidoSpine, NAB
    Gateways:
    Language: English
    # Nodes: N/A Volume: 4333/mo Rules:
    Flags:
    Notes:
    Moderators: NetCoordinator, 1:2613/0
    NetCoordinator, 1:260/0
    Last changed: 29-Aug-98 by David Moufarrege, 1:2613/403

    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:2613/404.0 Group: Fido
    Distribution: World Wide Backbone, NAB, Z1B
    Gateways:
    Language: English
    # Nodes: N/A Volume: N/A Rules:
    Flags:
    Notes:
    Moderators: Barry Bogart, 1:260/432
    Last changed: 1-Nov-1999 by David Moufarrege, 1:1/0

    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:2613/404.0 Group: Fido
    Distribution: World Wide Backbone, NAB, Z1B
    Gateways:
    Language: English
    # Nodes: N/A Volume: N/A Rules:
    Flags:
    Notes:
    Moderators: Barry Bogart, 1:260/432
    Last changed: 5-May-2000 by barry@sanatorium.darktech.org, 1:261/1551, barry@sanatorium.darktech.org

    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:379/5 Group: FIDO
    Distribution: Z1-Z6 BackBones, FidoSpine, Z1B
    Gateways:
    Language: English
    # Nodes: N/A Volume: N/A Rules:
    Flags: <Real Names Only>
    Notes: /REA
    Moderators: Barry Bogart, 1:260/432, barry@the-sanatorium.dyn.dhs.org
    Bobby Queen, 1:379/5, wizards@shelby.net
    Last changed: 16-Dec-2000 by wizards@shelby.net, 1:261/1551, Bobby Queen <wizards@shelby.net>

    The first one by Bobby Queen, was the first one with the /REA flag.

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Tue Jan 26 13:54:28 2021
    Hi August,

    On 2021-01-25 21:06:00, you wrote to me:

    It's impossible. Best would be if it was a technical
    feature. But since it isn't. And it won't happen that
    every used piece of software in fidonet will be updated to
    support it.

    I guess that is what netmail is for! <g> But, it's not good
    for sysops who are generally hands-off with these things and
    prefer automation to rule.

    The enthusiasm to improve the echomail system simply dwindled
    among the remaining sysops when "internet" seduced people away
    from doing things on BBSes. :(

    These kind of extensions don't fit into the current standards. So it's very hard (= impossible) to get them implemented in all fidonet software. So it won't happen.

    Everybody has limited time to spend in fido. So
    concentrating this in a few areas is better then spreading
    it out over more and more... If you do that enough
    everyone has his own favourite area, and everybody is
    talking to himself. ;)

    What this hobby needs are sysops who are either young people who
    don't have adulting responsibilities or seniors who still have
    lucid minds.

    The world has moved on. I think it's impossible to attract more then a few youngsters...

    Wrt to spreading out the conversations over echos, that would be
    necessary as people delve into specific topics. But generic
    echos (coffee_klatsch, chat, asian_link) are perfect entry
    points for conversation.

    But do you need 3 or more of those? 1 Should be enough. ;)

    Then, as people get familiar with their BBS or Boss, they can learn
    about echos that could cater to more specific topics.

    The problem with this echomail hobby is lack of awareness and
    promotion.

    I don't think all the promotion in the world can revive this hobby to it's former state/glory...


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Alan Ianson on Tue Jan 26 07:24:22 2021
    On 25 Jan 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...
    I wasn't paying attention to the written description. I thought someo said this echo was one of the few that allowed aliases.

    That was me who said that. As far as I remember this was an area where alias's could and would be used if folks wanted too. Several did use an alias and folks
    would use their real name if that's what they wanted.

    I believe that there were quite a few echos like that at some point. I never really understood the 'real names' requirement for message areas, since
    Aliases or Handles were such a big part of the BBS community, at least in my area. But I accepted it.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to August Abolins on Tue Jan 26 07:26:06 2021
    On 25 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...
    I see in Bobby Queen's rules he stipulated real names.
    Bobby Queen "rescued" a lot of areas in the early 2000's
    but I think the original rules didn't do that although I
    don't know who the original moderator is now, or if there
    is a record of those rules.

    The BQ name sounds very familiar to me.


    I recognize his name too, as I mentioned earlier, primarilyy from the
    BATPOWER echo.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to August Abolins on Tue Jan 26 07:40:54 2021
    On 25 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...
    I guess that is what netmail is for! <g> But, it's not good
    for sysops who are generally hands-off with these things and
    prefer automation to rule.

    That's how you wind up with a million dead echos in Fido-land.

    The enthusiasm to improve the echomail system simply dwindled
    among the remaining sysops when "internet" seduced people away
    from doing things on BBSes. :(

    Too true. And on top of it, in a sort of perversely ironic way, a lot of the things that drew me to the BBS community in the first place vanished with the exodus.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)
  • From Charles Pierson@2:280/464 to August Abolins on Tue Jan 26 08:48:55 2021
    I think there's plenty of areas already. More isn't
    necessarily better.

    True. It's a matter of promoting what is already configured and
    ready to rock'n'roll.

    And there is the rub. Any "promotion" of BBSes outside of BBSes is usuallt limited to blogs or other online nostalgia type articles. Even those1 "12
    BBSes you should check out Today" type articles are basically Nostalgia tyoe pieces.

    Everybody has limited time to spend in fido. So
    concentrating this in a few areas is better then spreading
    it out over more and more... If you do that enough
    everyone has his own favourite area, and everybody is
    talking to himself. ;)

    Maurice doesn't seem to mind. ;-)

    What this hobby needs are sysops who are either young people who
    don't have adulting responsibilities or seniors who still have
    lucid minds.

    I've seen 1 mention lately of someone helping their teenage son set-up a BBS. As far as Seniors with lucid minds, there are several of us around. That's
    not the problem. The problem is open minds. Also finding ways to innovate
    BBSes without fundementally changing what BBSes are.

    Wrt to spreading out the conversations over echos, that would be necessary as people delve into specific topics. But generic
    echos (coffee_klatsch, chat, asian_link) are perfect entry
    points for conversation. Then, as people get familiar with
    their BBS or Boss, they can learn about echos that could cater
    to more specific topics.


    OK, Here is my question on this. Let's say we somehow get an influx of new users, say via TELEGRAM, since that is probably the easiest introduction to
    FTN style echomail and BBS messages to new people.

    Regardless if our thoughts on the matter as of yet people in the Fido
    community don't see Telegram as a BBS in the manner that it is being used here, so you are limited in what echoes you can carry.

    If a topic of discussion get's moved to an area that isn't connected to Telegram for whatever reason, how do we keep the new Telegram users involved?

    What's lacking is attracting a userbase to maintain the
    chat momentum. Where *is* everybody?

    I think we've passed that station, fidonet is slowely
    dying... :-(

    Promotion! Maybe we need to offer hats with MEGA (make echomail
    great again) LOL

    Maybe Fidonet is dying. BBS networks have come and gone over the years.

    It would be upsetting to me, because Fidonet was the first place I started having regular conversations with people from around the world. I played in
    an RPG over echomail with people from all over.

    But if Fidonet dies, it's Fidonet's fault. It appears to me that at least
    what I saw as a big part of what made Fidonet special is not embracedby many people any more.

    But I had a few other people (ex echomail users) poised to join
    us in the generic chat echos. They were under the assumption
    that echomail died in 2000 when dial-up died. Again.. this is
    all due to unawareness of the current state of things and the
    modern internet-way to rejoin echomail.

    "Had?" as in no longer interested? What happened?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Jan 26 14:27:15 2021
    Re: Re: Most recent elisting of this area
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Alan Ianson on Tue Jan 26 2021 01:48 pm

    ANYTHING_GOES
    Open, spirited and friendly discussions
    International Echo without heavy moderation.
    Status: Active
    Origin: 1:2613/404 Group: Fido
    Distribution: FidoSpine, NAB
    Gateways:
    Language: English
    # Nodes: N/A Volume: 4333/mo Rules:
    Flags:
    Notes:
    Moderators: NetCoordinator, 1:2613/0
    NetCoordinator, 1:260/0
    Last changed: 29-Aug-98 by David Moufarrege, 1:2613/403

    This looks like an entry from the days when this areas was active. I don't remember a volume of 4333/mo but there was traffic then.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... Some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug
    --- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Charles Pierson on Tue Jan 26 14:32:04 2021
    Re: Re: Most recent elisting of this area
    By: Charles Pierson to Alan Ianson on Tue Jan 26 2021 07:24 am

    I believe that there were quite a few echos like that at some point. I never really understood the 'real names' requirement for message areas, since Aliases or Handles were such a big part of the BBS community, at least in my area. But I accepted it.

    Real names was a fairly big thing in Fidonet but not othernets so much. Fidonet doesn't require real names but the echo rules did in a lot of (most) cases.

    There is no real name rule in any of the areas I moderate but I still use my real name in most fido areas because it is the norm in so many areas.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    ... My computer has EMS... Won't you help?
    --- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Alan Ianson on Tue Jan 26 19:08:29 2021
    On 26 Jan 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...
    Real names was a fairly big thing in Fidonet but not othernets so much. Fidonet
    doesn't require real names but the echo rules did in a lot of (most) cases.

    There is no real name rule in any of the areas I moderate but I still
    use my real name in most fido areas because it is the norm in so many areas.

    Mostly in the past I was only a user, so if my name or handle appeared in the From field was out of my control, so it's not something I ever really thought about.

    Now, I am setting the Fido echos I link to as real names, because I have noticed it is a fairly common requirement.

    I still don't realky understand why it is though. But I don't need to.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)
  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to August Abolins on Sat Jan 30 14:36:28 2021
    Hello, August Abolins.
    On 1/25/21 9:51 AM you wrote:

    However, having some echos revitalized by showing up could be a
    good thing. What's lacking is attracting a userbase to maintain
    the chat momentum. Where *is* everybody?

    That's been the question for 2 decades or so.


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