• AMIGA Moderator?

    From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to All on Fri May 15 20:01:15 2020
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    MODerator: {Not Found}
    Email:

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Gary McCulloch on Fri May 15 19:02:16 2020
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    TITLe: Commodore Amiga

    Lang: ENGLISH

    DESCription:
    This conference is a friendly meeting place for owners and users
    of Commodore Amiga Computer, including the A500, A600 A1000, A1200
    A1500, A2000, A2500, A3000, A4000, and AmigaOne. Also to include
    the CDTV and CD32 consoles, computers and peripherals.

    MODerator: {Not Found}
    Email:

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is AWOL. Don't know when or if he'll be back. You could update the area in the echolist if you like.

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 15 22:35:42 2020
    .-: On Fri 15-May-2020 7:02p, Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 said to Gary
    McCulloch :-.

    AI: Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is AWOL.
    AI: Don't know when or if he'll be back. You could update the area in the
    AI: echolist if you like.


    We need to see if we can hunt him down. If not, maybe vote on who should step into the Moderator and Co-Moderator spot. The more active this echo is, the better it stands as an active echo on FidoNet. We will also need a AMIGA.RUL (This Echos Rules).

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to All on Fri May 15 22:39:12 2020
    AI: Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is AWOL.

    This name does not even show up on the current Nodelist. So maybe we need to move on. If he shows back up, we can always offer him the spot back. What does everyone here think?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Gary McCulloch on Fri May 15 21:58:02 2020
    We need to see if we can hunt him down. If not, maybe vote on who
    should step into the Moderator and Co-Moderator spot. The more active this echo is, the better it stands as an active echo on FidoNet. We will also need a AMIGA.RUL (This Echos Rules).

    Sounds like a plan and I support you if you would like to do that.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 16 10:57:30 2020
    Hi Alan,

    On 2020-05-15 19:02:16, you wrote to Gary McCulloch:

    Not found in the ELIST.RPT - Needs Updating...

    Does it? It happily existed for many years without being in the elist and without a moderator!

    TAGname: AMIGA Group: FIDO

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is AWOL.

    No he wasn't. He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat May 16 11:55:58 2020
    Hi Wilfred!

    16 May 2020 10:57, from Wilfred van Velzen -> Alan Ianson:

    Not found in the ELIST.RPT - Needs Updating...
    Does it? It happily existed for many years without being in the elist
    and without a moderator!

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is
    AWOL.
    No he wasn't. He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    I have to agree with Wilfred on both points.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Sat May 16 06:10:08 2020
    .-: On Sat 16-May-2020 10:57a, Wilfred Van Velzen@2:280/464.0 said to Alan Ianson :-.
    WV: Hi Alan,

    WV: On 2020-05-15 19:02:16, you wrote to Gary McCulloch:

    WV: >> Not found in the ELIST.RPT - Needs Updating...

    WV: Does it? It happily existed for many years without being in the elist and WV: without a moderator!

    WV: >> TAGname: AMIGA Group: FIDO

    WV: AI> Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is AWOL.

    WV: No he wasn't. He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    WV: Bye, Wilfred.

    As an Amiga owner yourself, you feel this area does not need a Moderator or rules?

    Who did Allen tried to hijack it from?

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Gary McCulloch on Sat May 16 13:50:09 2020
    Hi Gary,

    On 2020-05-16 06:10:08, you wrote to me:

    WV: AI> Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he
    is AWOL.

    WV: No he wasn't. He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    As an Amiga owner yourself, you feel this area does not need a
    Moderator or rules?

    I "feel" that about a lot of areas.

    Who did Allen tried to hijack it from?

    There wasn't a moderator around in 2015 when he out of the blue posted area rules pretending to be the moderator. That's what I call hijacking.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Gary McCulloch on Sat May 16 10:11:20 2020
    Re: Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Gary McCulloch to All on Fri May 15 2020 22:39:12


    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is AWOL.

    This name does not even show up on the current Nodelist.

    he was having some serious health problems the last i heard... in and out of the hospital numerous times... that was a few years ago...

    So maybe we need to move on.

    yup... list the echo if you like...

    If he shows back up, we can always offer him the spot back. What
    does everyone here think?

    that would be up to the new moderator but it would be a good gesture...


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat May 16 10:13:41 2020
    Re: Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Alan Ianson on Sat May 16 2020 10:57:30


    Not found in the ELIST.RPT - Needs Updating...

    Does it? It happily existed for many years without being in the
    elist and without a moderator!

    hummm...

    TAGname: AMIGA Group: FIDO

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is AWOL.

    No he wasn't. He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    how can it be hijacked if it is not listed and doesn't have a moderator? you cannot have it both ways ;)


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to mark lewis on Sat May 16 17:45:51 2020
    Hi mark,

    On 2020-05-16 10:13:41, you wrote to me:

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is
    AWOL.

    No he wasn't. He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    how can it be hijacked if it is not listed and doesn't have a moderator? you cannot have it both ways ;)

    He posted area rules as moderator out of the blue, without even consulting the area participants first. I call that hijacking...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat May 16 08:50:00 2020
    Hello Wilfred,

    Not found in the ELIST.RPT - Needs Updating...

    Does it? It happily existed for many years without being in the elist
    and without a moderator!

    The area was created by someone at some point. At some point someone also added the area to the elist and added the area to the backbone so we could enjoy it today.

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is
    AWOL.

    No he wasn't.

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of record.

    He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    I think not. Can you define "hijack" for us?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 16 18:04:23 2020
    Hi Alan,

    On 2020-05-16 08:50:00, you wrote to me:

    Does it? It happily existed for many years without being in the elist
    and without a moderator!

    The area was created by someone at some point. At some point someone also added the area to the elist and added the area to the backbone so we could enjoy it today.

    Irrelevant...

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of the Amiga area but he is
    AWOL.

    No he wasn't.

    Allen Prunty was the last moderator of record.

    Elisting an area doesn't magically make you the moderator. The elist has no authority in fidonet, it's just a list.

    He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    I think not. Can you define "hijack" for us?

    I already did in other messages.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat May 16 12:01:40 2020
    Re: Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to mark lewis on Sat May 16 2020 17:45:51


    how can it be hijacked if it is not listed and doesn't have a
    moderator? you cannot have it both ways ;)

    He posted area rules as moderator out of the blue, without even consulting the area participants first. I call that hijacking...

    moderators do not have to consult anyone about anything regarding their echo ;)

    your definition does not apply i this case...


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to mark lewis on Sat May 16 18:46:17 2020
    Hi mark,

    On 2020-05-16 12:01:40, you wrote to me:

    how can it be hijacked if it is not listed and doesn't have a
    moderator? you cannot have it both ways ;)

    He posted area rules as moderator out of the blue, without even
    consulting the area participants first. I call that hijacking...

    moderators do not have to consult anyone about anything regarding their echo ;)

    He never was the moderator...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat May 16 10:49:36 2020
    Hello Wilfred,

    He tried to hijack it, but failed...

    I think not. Can you define "hijack" for us?

    I already did in other messages.

    To hijack something means to take it by force.

    Allen Prunty never tried to take anything from anyone, he gave his time and effort freely.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Gary McCulloch on Sat May 16 22:29:46 2020
    Hi Gary!

    16 May 2020 06:10, from Gary McCulloch -> Wilfred Van Velzen:

    As an Amiga owner yourself, you feel this area does not need a
    Moderator or rules?

    I think that in current time with current message volumes, it is best if nobody is a moderator, or everybody ... however you want to look at it.

    Who did Allen tried to hijack it from?

    You can read it here in the echo, just rescan it.

    He came out of nowhere and claimed himself moderator, without consent of the people communicating in the echo.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Alan Ianson on Sat May 16 22:35:50 2020
    Hi Alan!

    16 May 2020 10:49, from Alan Ianson -> Wilfred van Velzen:

    To hijack something means to take it by force.

    He unilaterally claimed to be the moderator.
    Without consulting the active members here.
    You can read the story back here in the echo.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat May 16 17:07:52 2020
    Re: Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to mark lewis on Sat May 16 2020 18:46:17


    how can it be hijacked if it is not listed and doesn't have a
    moderator? you cannot have it both ways ;)

    He posted area rules as moderator out of the blue, without even
    consulting the area participants first. I call that hijacking...

    moderators do not have to consult anyone about anything regarding their echo ;)

    He never was the moderator...

    he was when he relisted it since it had fallen off the echolist back in ~2003... for an area to be carried on the backbone, it needs to be listed in the echolist and have a moderator... that means that the area was non-existant until he brought it back... if there was another area of the same name that someone cross linked to this one, then that's a different problem... one that should have been straightened out back then...

    if the area is not listed and has no moderator, then it will be removed from the backbone distribution when backbone.na is updated...

    so, is it to be listed and carried by the backbone or no?


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Richard Menedetter on Sat May 16 17:13:07 2020
    Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Richard Menedetter to Alan Ianson on Sat May 16 2020 22:35:50


    You can read the story back here in the echo.

    i have only 328 messages in this area since Sept 2018... there is no such story available here or from any of my backbone links... AFAIK, my system retains the most messages of all of the backbone stars...

    perhaps you would be so kind as to post a URL to the echo for the time period in question? that would be better than assuming that everyone can retrieve historical messages to match your local message base..


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Richard Menedetter on Sat May 16 15:22:52 2020
    To hijack something means to take it by force.

    He unilaterally claimed to be the moderator.
    Without consulting the active members here.

    He was the elisted moderator.

    You can read the story back here in the echo.

    I was here at the time. I don't want to go back and look at it again.

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to Mark Lewis on Sat May 16 17:29:35 2020
    Well, This sparked conversation. I am not asking to be a Moderator. I am suggesting we should pick one, and a Co for back-up. Drum up some friendly rules and go from there. No warden is needed. Fill out those blanks in the form at the start of this thread.
    I have not been on the networks long, but have ran an Amiga BBS here on Telnet going on 10 years. I am here to support this echo.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GARY MCCULLOCH on Sat May 16 19:10:00 2020
    We need to see if we can hunt him down. If not, maybe vote on who sho
    d step into the Moderator and Co-Moderator spot. The more active this echo is
    the better it stands as an active echo on FidoNet. We will also need a AMIGA.
    L (This Echos Rules).

    He was my local net hub. He was down forever and at some point they finally delisted him. If you want to list the echo I would suggest you do it.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MARK LEWIS on Sat May 16 19:12:00 2020
    So maybe we need to move on.

    yup... list the echo if you like...

    If he shows back up, we can always offer him the spot back. What
    does everyone here think?

    that would be up to the new moderator but it would be a good gesture...

    How does one currently ELIST a Zone 1 echo? I thought the coordinator had passed on and the post was empty?

    Mike

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to mark lewis on Sun May 17 12:31:06 2020
    Hi mark!

    16 May 2020 17:13, from mark lewis -> Richard Menedetter:

    You can read the story back here in the echo.
    i have only 328 messages in this area since Sept 2018... there is no
    such story available here or from any of my backbone links...

    Ask Alan, he has the messages available.
    Sadly they did not survive my headcrash :/

    AFAIK, my system retains the most messages of all of the backbone
    stars...

    There are other systems that are not backbone stars.

    perhaps you would be so kind as to post a URL to the echo for the time period in question?

    URL??
    Ask Alan ... he has those messages still available.

    that would be better than assuming that everyone can retrieve
    historical messages to match your local message base..

    Anyways ... there is not much to it.
    Alan Prunty started posting Rules out of nowhere one day.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Alan Ianson on Sun May 17 12:34:48 2020
    Hi Alan!

    16 May 2020 15:22, from Alan Ianson -> Richard Menedetter:

    To hijack something means to take it by force.
    He unilaterally claimed to be the moderator.
    Without consulting the active members here.
    He was the elisted moderator.

    The Elist is a private plaything of a very small number of nodes.
    It has NO MEANING to fidonet, apart that those small number of nodes use it as a listing of echos _THEY_ distribute.
    Which is their good right, but it does not mean anything to anybody outside of those small number of nodes.

    In other words it has exactly the same meaning as if I create a textfile in my /var/www/html directory where I claim to be moderator of this echo.

    You can read the story back here in the echo.
    I was here at the time. I don't want to go back and look at it again.

    I was here as well, and it did not go down with me and others at all that he hijacked this echo without consulting BEFORE in the echo, where he had access, as he was able to post his new "rules".

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Mike Powell on Sun May 17 08:56:14 2020
    Re: Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Mike Powell to MARK LEWIS on Sat May 16 2020 19:12:00


    How does one currently ELIST a Zone 1 echo? I thought the coordinator
    had passed on and the post was empty?

    yes, ben passed away... there's two new echolist projects underway... one of them, managed by vince coen, is active now... the backbone is waiting on stabilization of one or both projects before moving forward with the existing methods that have been in place for years...

    the basic steps to get an echo on the backbone are contained in the BOFAQ document... this document will be posted soon-ish in the backbone's public echo... until then, existing versions from ~2003 are still fairly valid...


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Richard Menedetter on Sun May 17 09:05:16 2020
    Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Richard Menedetter to Alan Ianson on Sun May 17 2020 12:34:48


    The Elist is a private plaything of a very small number of nodes.

    incorrect...

    It has NO MEANING to fidonet,

    of course not...

    apart that those small number of nodes use it as a listing of
    echos _THEY_ distribute.

    incorrect...

    the echolist lists echos and their associated meta data as maintained by the echos' moderators... nothing more... listed echos are from any/all FTNs, not just fidonet...

    the backbone.na file contains the list of echos that the backbone carries...

    backbone.na is not the same entity as the echolist...

    echos must be in the echolist before they can be carried by the backbone...

    echos are added/removed to/from the backbone by request of the moderator following established procedures in the backbone's public echo... echos may also be removed from the backbone if their listing falls out of the echolist for too long...


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Richard Menedetter on Sun May 17 11:54:38 2020
    Hi Alan!

    I was here as well, and it did not go down with me and others at all that he hijacked this echo without consulting BEFORE in the echo, where he had access, as he was able to post his new "rules".

    Yep, you & Wilfred created the same stir then as now.

    I agree Allen should have brought the moderator situation to the echo before posting rules etc. That is what Gary did so that is why I supported him.

    I don't think that Allen, Gary or anyone else being moderator makes them "The BOSS of you" or anything like that.

    Anyway, I have said what I have to say and with that I'll drop this thread and leave the echo as it was.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MARK LEWIS on Sun May 17 17:24:00 2020
    echos must be in the echolist before they can be carried by the backbone...

    echos are added/removed to/from the backbone by request of the moderator follow
    ng established procedures in the backbone's public echo... echos may also be re
    oved from the backbone if their listing falls out of the echolist for too long.

    I think this is one of those "Z1 does it different than Z2" things.

    The Z1 moderator was MIA. Allen relisted it in the Z1 echolist, which has
    no bearing on the Z2 folks.

    Mike

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Mike Powell on Sun May 17 19:55:17 2020
    Re: AMIGA Moderator?
    By: Mike Powell to MARK LEWIS on Sun May 17 2020 17:24:00


    I think this is one of those "Z1 does it different than Z2" things.

    possibly but it doesn't matter, really...

    The Z1 moderator was MIA.

    yes...

    Allen relisted it in the Z1 echolist,

    no... he relisted it in the echolist... the echolist is not simply a z1 thing... it has traditionally been a list for all FTNs to list their echos in... it was never started or intended to be a zone 1 thing... there weren't any zones back when the echolist was first incarnated...

    which has no bearing on the Z2 folks.

    so they say...


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  • From Phillip Taylor@1:275/201.30 to All on Mon May 18 00:43:41 2020
    On Sat 16-May-2020 19:10 , Mike Powell@1:2320/105.0 said to Gary Mcculloch:
    @CHRS: ASCII 1
    We need to see if we can hunt him down. If not, maybe vote on
    who sho
    d step into the Moderator and Co-Moderator spot. The more active this
    echo is
    the better it stands as an active echo on FidoNet. We will also need a
    AMIGA.
    L (This Echos Rules).

    He was my local net hub. He was down forever and at some point they finally
    delisted him. If you want to list the echo I would suggest you do it.

    Mike

    If the moderator is no longer active then I volunteer to do it.
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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to All on Mon May 18 11:48:15 2020
    .-: On Fri 15-May-2020 8:01p, Gary McCulloch wrote :-.
    GM: Not found in the ELIST.RPT - Needs Updating...

    GM: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- GM: TAGname: AMIGA Group: FIDO

    GM: TITLe: Commodore Amiga

    GM: Lang: ENGLISH

    GM: DESCription:
    GM: This conference is a friendly meeting place for owners and users
    GM: of Commodore Amiga Computer, including the A500, A600 A1000, A1200
    GM: A1500, A2000, A2500, A3000, A4000, and AmigaOne. Also to include
    GM: the CDTV and CD32 consoles, computers and peripherals.

    GM: RULEs: {Not Found}

    GM: MODerator: {Not Found}
    GM: Email:

    GM: COMODerator1: {Not Found}
    GM: Email: {Not Found}

    GM: VOLume: 10/month

    GM: ORIGIN: {Not Found}

    GM: RESTrictions: {None on Record}

    GM: DISTribution: All Zones

    GM: GATEway: None

    GM: Language: ENGLISH

    GM: From: {Not Found}
    GM: Email:

    GM: Updated on: 2020/05/15 and expires latest 2021/05/15
    GM: --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Okay, now that we have had a great discussion on this. I would like to nominate myself as a Moderator. I will see what I can do to get this echo listed. Do I need to do a speech?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gary McCulloch on Mon May 18 11:00:12 2020
    Hello Gary,

    GM: TAGname: AMIGA Group: FIDO

    Okay, now that we have had a great discussion on this. I
    would like to nominate myself as a Moderator. I will see what I can
    do to get this echo listed. Do I need to do a speech?

    You need to update/add the echo in the echolist. It's not hard to do, you need to send AMIGA.ECO to 2:25/21 and inside that file the keywords need for your echo.

    If you need help with that feel free to netmail me at the origin of this message or email me, agianson=at=gmail.com.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to mark lewis on Mon May 18 21:30:54 2020
    Hi mark!

    17 May 2020 09:05, from mark lewis -> Richard Menedetter:

    The Elist is a private plaything of a very small number of nodes.
    incorrect...

    So we disagree here ...

    It has NO MEANING to fidonet,
    of course not...

    Here we do agree.

    the backbone.na file contains the list of echos that the backbone carries...

    What is "the" backbone?
    Anyhow ... do not answer, as this will run in circles.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Alan Ianson on Mon May 18 21:34:02 2020
    Hi Alan!

    17 May 2020 11:54, from Alan Ianson -> Richard Menedetter:

    That is what Gary did so that is why I supported him.

    I do not oppose him.
    I have not read what he proposed. (I think he did not send anything yet)
    So I cannot comment of what I think of it.

    I don't think that Allen, Gary or anyone else being moderator makes
    them "The BOSS of you" or anything like that.

    Neither do I.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Gary McCulloch on Mon May 18 21:37:48 2020
    Hi Gary!

    18 May 2020 11:48, from Gary McCulloch -> All:

    GM: DESCription:
    GM: This conference is a friendly meeting place for owners and
    users
    GM: of Commodore Amiga Computer, including the A500, A600 A1000,
    A1200
    GM: A1500, A2000, A2500, A3000, A4000, and AmigaOne. Also to
    include
    GM: the CDTV and CD32 consoles, computers and peripherals.

    GM: RULEs: {Not Found}

    Okay, now that we have had a great discussion on this. I
    would like to nominate myself as a Moderator. I will see what I can
    do to get this echo listed. Do I need to do a speech?

    Speech is not needed for me ;)

    For me it would be interesting if you will stick with the rules not found, and how you see the role of a fiodnet moderator in 2020.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to Richard Menedetter on Tue May 19 07:37:40 2020
    .-: On Mon 18-May-2020 9:37p, Richard Menedetter@2:310/31.0 said to Gary
    RM: For me it would be interesting if you will stick with the rules not found, RM: and how you see the role of a fiodnet moderator in 2020.


    IF I was elected Moderator....

    The AMIGA echo would be a staple on the FidoNet backbone. It would be a standard echo offered from all HUBs, not just an elective. For me, I had to request for this echo to be added. This should not be the case.

    Rules... Well, I would have to create a AMIGA.RUL to go with the AMIGA echo. But I would like the members of this echo and those interested in this echo to contribute to the writing of these rules.

    As for my role, well it would be to try to keep this echo active. Trying tro spark AMIGA discussions on various topics. With Amiga Hardware old and new still out there, Software still being made. Old software being found. Emulators allowing peaple to load Workbench and play old games, music and utilties. I think this echo should flourish.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Gary McCulloch on Tue May 19 11:52:34 2020
    IF I was elected Moderator....

    The AMIGA echo would be a staple on the FidoNet backbone. It would be
    a standard echo offered from all HUBs, not just an elective. For me, I had to request for this echo to be added. This should not be the case.

    I don't think there is any getting around this. Once an echo is carried by the backbone each of the stars will have the area and make it available to others but other nodes may carry the area if they wish, there is no requirement to carry any area at all although most hubs will work to connect you to the areas you would like to be connected to.

    I think it is good for a moderator to add areas they want widely distributed to the backbone and keep it updated so it doesn't fall off the backbone from neglect. An area may be removed from the backbone at some point for lack of traffic also but I don't think that will happen to this area.

    In any case if you would like to moderate this area I support you. You'll need the support of the users of the area, at least a mojority of the users.

    If folks could post there support for Garry with a yes or no I think that's enough.

    Do you, the readers of this area support Gary?

    Gary for Moderator? Yes/No

    I don't know how many are here with us but I would hold off for a week or so and give folks a chance to think on it and reply.

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Alan Ianson on Tue May 19 17:23:24 2020
    Do you, the readers of this area support Gary?
    Gary for Moderator? Yes/No
    ^^^
    Been lurking around here reading this for the past several days. If Gary
    wants to put in the time to do this...no problem. Am giving my vote because this is 1 of the echoes I read everyday & enjoy...so want it to continue.

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 20 20:03:30 2020
    .-: On Tue 19-May-2020 11:52a, Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 said to Gary
    AI: I don't know how many are here with us but I would hold off for a week or AI: so and give folks a chance to think on it and reply.

    I am patient. Meanwhile lets get this echo active.

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  • From Strahinja Bojovic@2:382/147 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 21 21:15:21 2020
    The AMIGA echo would be a staple on the FidoNet backbone. It would be AI>> a standard echo offered from all HUBs, not just an elective. For me, I ha AI>> to request for this echo to be added. This should not be the case.

    I don't think there is any getting around this. Once an echo is carried by AI>the backbone each of the stars will have the area and make it available to AI>others but other nodes may carry the area if they wish, there is no AI>requirement to carry any area at all although most hubs will work to AI>connect you to the areas you would like to be connected to.

    I think it is good for a moderator to add areas they want widely AI>distributed to the backbone and keep it updated so it doesn't fall off the AI>backbone from neglect. An area may be removed from the backbone at some AI>point for lack of traffic also but I don't think that will happen to this AI>area.

    In any case if you would like to moderate this area I support you. You'll AI>need the support of the users of the area, at least a mojority of the users.

    If folks could post there support for Garry with a yes or no I think that's AI>enough.

    Do you, the readers of this area support Gary?

    Gary for Moderator? Yes/No

    Yes

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri May 22 10:58:00 2020
    Do you, the readers of this area support Gary?
    Gary for Moderator? Yes/No

    Yes

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gary McCulloch on Sun May 31 21:58:48 2020
    Hello Gary,

    AI: I don't know how many are here with us but I would hold off for a
    AI: week or so and give folks a chance to think on it and reply.

    I am patient. Meanwhile lets get this echo active.

    I have seen two or three posts where you were supported so I would say go ahead and do that if you are still thinking about it.

    Did you get the files I sent you?

    Feel free to netmail or email me if I can help at all.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Alan Ianson on Mon Jun 1 12:07:42 2020
    Hi Alan!

    19 May 2020 11:52, from Alan Ianson -> Gary McCulloch:

    Once an echo is carried by the backbone each of the stars will have
    the area and make it available to others

    What exactly do you mean by _THE_backbone.
    There is no such thing in official fidonet backbone.
    There are fidonet nodes, and they can have links to other nodes.
    For the sake of redundancy they should have more than one link per echo, so the distribution is not disrupted if one of the nodes stops forwarding for whatever reason.

    There is a group of 3 (?) people that call themselves the north American backbone.

    They have NO special role ... if they carry an echo great.
    If not you can get it from somewhere else ... no big problem.

    In any case if you would like to moderate this area I support you.

    I have not read the proposed rules.
    So I cannot comment if I am in support of that or not.

    You'll need the support of the users of the area, at least a mojority
    of the users.

    Naturally!

    If folks could post there support for Garry with a yes or no I think that's enough.
    Do you, the readers of this area support Gary?
    Gary for Moderator? Yes/No

    I have not seen the proposed rules.
    Maybe I missed it? (if yes please feel free to point me to them)

    Until then a No.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Richard Menedetter on Mon Jun 1 20:52:08 2020
    Hello Richard,

    Once an echo is carried by the backbone each of the stars will
    have the area and make it available to others

    What exactly do you mean by _THE_backbone.
    There is no such thing in official fidonet backbone.
    There are fidonet nodes, and they can have links to other nodes.
    For the sake of redundancy they should have more than one link per
    echo, so the distribution is not disrupted if one of the nodes stops forwarding for whatever reason.

    I use the term backbone generally. Whereever you can get a solid link or links is good.

    There is a group of 3 (?) people that call themselves the north
    American backbone.

    Yes, there are 3 today. In years past there was 4.

    They have NO special role ... if they carry an echo great.
    If not you can get it from somewhere else ... no big problem.

    No they are not special or official. The NAB has for years worked with the goal
    of providing and good, solid and meshed feed to the backbone echoes. In the early dial-up days it was needed. They fed the regions who fed the nets and so on. There were also zone gates that transfered mail in and out with other zones. They provided a critical service then and today they still provide a good solid mesh of the echoes for their links.

    I have not read the proposed rules.

    I have not read them either and was hoping I would not see them. I don't think they are needed.

    I only moderate a few areas myself and haven't put any rules in place for them since I don't think they are needed.

    If folks could post there support for Garry with a yes or no I
    think that's enough. Do you, the readers of this area support
    Gary? Gary for Moderator? Yes/No

    I have not seen the proposed rules.
    Maybe I missed it? (if yes please feel free to point me to them)

    I haven't seen any. If Gary proposes a set of rules then we could comment.

    I would propose a simple rule that doesn't need posting.

    1. We talk about the Amiga and related thing here.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX
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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to Alan Ianson on Wed Jun 3 11:29:19 2020
    .-: On Sun 31-May-2020 9:58p, Alan Ianson@1:153/757.0 said to Gary
    AI: I have seen two or three posts where you were supported so I would say go AI: ahead and do that if you are still thinking about it.

    AI: Did you get the files I sent you?

    AI: Feel free to netmail or email me if I can help at all.

    Yes, thank you for you support and help. I filled out the form and sent it in. I have not heard anything yet about that.

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  • From Gary McCulloch@1:154/50 to All on Wed Jun 3 11:32:14 2020
    Suggestions anyone?



    AMIGA.RUL

    This is the The Amiga International Echo, tag name AMIGA

    Moderator: Gary McCulloch

    This echo offers discussions for the Commodore Amiga Hardware and Software. Topics which are on-topic include the Amiga, Hardware, Software,
    Workbench, and Amiga emulation programs.

    Including the A500, A600 A1000, A1200 A1500, A2000, A2500, A3000, A4000,
    and AmigaOne. Also to include the CDTV and CD32 consoles, computers and peripherals. WinUAE and AmigaForever emulators.

    Thanks!
    Gary McCulloch
    1:154/50, spitfiretn{at}hotmail.com

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