High,

I just read that Georgia needs to recount all votes manually and I wonder what manually is supposed to mean. Do they otherwise use machines? If so, why does it take so long?
In Germany, the polling stations close at 18:00 and we usually get the manually counted preliminary results between 22:00 and 23:00 on that same day. And I cannot remember any election where the final results changed noteworthy.

What happens if multiple recounting two parties/candidates have exactly the same number of votes? Do you hold a second election or flip a coin?



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Hello, Gerhard Strangar -> All.
On 11/11/20 7:01 PM you wrote:

High, I just read that Georgia needs to recount all votes manually
and I wonder what manually is supposed to mean. Do they otherwise
use machines? If so, why does it take so long? In Germany, the
polling stations close at 18:00 and we usually get the manually
counted preliminary results between 22:00 and 23:00 on that same
day. And I cannot remember any election where the final results
changed noteworthy.

There are multiple ways voting is done, and multiple ways they get
counted. It depends on the state.

This year, it was more complicated because of a larger number of mail in ballots than normal.

But many states I believe, if the first count is extremely close like
1-2% I think requires an automatic recount.

What happens if multiple recounting two parties/candidates have
exactly the same number of votes? Do you hold a second election or
flip a coin?

It depends on each states election laws and which office it is for.

Regardless of what you might see, there often are more people on the
Ballot than the Democrat and Republican candidates. They generally
don't get much exposure, nor have the huge budgets, but they are there.

Leaving the Presidential election aside, because it's its own
monstrosity.
A Senate race, for example, might require a majority of votes to be
declared winner. A simple majority is 51%. If you have other
candidates, smaller party or independent, in the race it is possible for
no one to get 51% of the vote. In that case, there is going to be a run
off election at a later date between the top vote getters.

With the President, again depending on the state, the popular vote is
supposed to indicate which candidate gets the Electoral College votes
for that state. Most states, I believe are winner take all, meaning
whoever gets the most popular votes get all of the Electoral votes for
that state. Some states might, or at least did, could split the
Electoral votes.

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Am 11 Nov 20 14:33:32 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Counting votes>

This year, it was more complicated because of a larger number of mail in ballots than normal.

What's complicated about those? We use two envelopes, the outer one contains the name of the person who voted and needs to be on the list and not have voted yet. Then the outer envelope gets opened and the inner one goes into the mail-in box. After that, the inner ones get opened and the ballots are put onto different stacks than the in-person votes (to verify if the results differ are lot, which might be due to attempted fraud). But neither opening envelopes nor counting ballots is complicated.



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Hello, Gerhard Strangar -> Charles Pierson.
On 11/12/20 6:58 AM you wrote:

Am 11 Nov 20 14:33:32 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar
zum Thema <Counting votes> CP> This year, it was more complicated
because of a larger number of mail in CP> ballots than normal.
What's complicated about those? We use two envelopes, the outer one
contains the name of the person who voted and needs to be on the
list and not have voted yet. Then the outer envelope gets opened and
the inner one goes into the mail-in box. After that, the inner ones
get opened and the ballots are put onto different stacks than the
in-person votes (to verify if the results differ are lot, which
might be due to attempted fraud). But neither opening envelopes nor
counting ballots is complicated.

Not necessarily the mail in ballots themselves, but the volume of them.
The sheer number of mail in ballots surprised me.

I mean, I can understand not wanting to go be in a large crowd on
election day to vote. However, with the early voting option, I had many
family members all over the country go vote in person without crowds.

I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my ballot
wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential fraud. I've had
too many instances of mail not mine being delivered to my address to
feel otherwise, and not just my neighbors, but mail for addresses not in
my neighborhood.

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Am 12 Nov 20 07:00:30 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Counting votes>

I mean, I can understand not wanting to go be in a large crowd on
election day to vote. However, with the early voting option, I had many family members all over the country go vote in person without crowds.

I've heard of people waiting in line for over an hour. But what's going on there? Our polling stations are open on Sundays from 8:00 to 18:00 hours with 500-1000 voters per station and I'd say they're pretty much equipartitioned over time. Only when church is out there might be up to 20 people at once, but I don't think it takes more than five minutes for all of them to vote.



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On 11-12-20 07:00, Charles Pierson <=-
spoke to Gerhard Strangar about Counting votes <=-

I mean, I can understand not wanting to go be in a large crowd on
election day to vote. However, with the early voting option, I had
many family members all over the country go vote in person without
crowds.

There were crowds at many of the early voting places also. I saw
reports of six hour waits at some. That was in larger towns, e.g.
Houston.

I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my ballot wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential fraud. I've
had too many instances of mail not mine being delivered to my address
to feel otherwise, and not just my neighbors, but mail for addresses
not in my neighborhood.

I did not trust the mail either, especially after seeing all that Trump
and his appointees were doing to muck up the post office. There was a
third option, which I used. Drop boxes where you could place your mail
in ballot.

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Hello, Gerhard Strangar -> Charles Pierson.
On 11/12/20 6:24 PM you wrote:

Am 12 Nov 20 07:00:30 schrob Charles Pierson an Gerhard Strangar
zum Thema <Counting votes> CP> I mean, I can understand not wanting
to go be in a large crowd on CP> election day to vote. However, with
the early voting option, I had many CP> family members all over the
country go vote in person without crowds. I've heard of people
waiting in line for over an hour. But what's going on there? Our
polling stations are open on Sundays from 8:00 to 18:00 hours with
500-1000 voters per station and I'd say they're pretty much
equipartitioned over time. Only when church is out there might be up
to 20 people at once, but I don't think it takes more than five
minutes for all of them to vote.

You've got many different methods for how people vote, based on how each
state does it. Depending on where they live, they might have several
offices up for election.

There isn't one national method for voting, so there isn't an easy
answer.

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Hello, Dale Shipp -> Charles Pierson.
On 11/13/20 1:34 AM you wrote:

On 11-12-20 07:00, Charles Pierson <=- -=> spoke to Gerhard

Strangar about Counting votes <=- CP> I mean, I can understand not
wanting to go be in a large crowd on CP> election day to vote.
However, with the early voting option, I had CP> many family members
all over the country go vote in person without CP> crowds. There
were crowds at many of the early voting places also. I saw reports
of six hour waits at some. That was in larger towns, e.g. Houston.

That's completely possible, even probable of course. It's just not
something anyone that I know experienced, even here in Houston.

I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my

ballot CP> wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential
fraud. I've CP> had too many instances of mail not mine being
delivered to my address CP> to feel otherwise, and not just my
neighbors, but mail for addresses CP> not in my neighborhood. I did
not trust the mail either, especially after seeing all that Trump
and his appointees were doing to muck up the post office. There was
a third option, which I used. Drop boxes where you could place your
mail in ballot.

I've had issues with the post office going back nearly a decade now.
They moved our delivery from the local branch to a different office back
around 2010. The service hasn't nearly been as good since.

As a personal choice, I don't trust drop boxes either. But then I might
just have trust issues.



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On 12 Nov 2020 at 06:24p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

I've heard of people waiting in line for over an hour. But what's going
on there? Our polling stations are open on Sundays from 8:00 to 18:00 hours with 500-1000 voters per station and I'd say they're pretty much equipartitioned over time. Only when church is out there might be up to
20 people at once, but I don't think it takes more than five minutes for all of them to vote.

What's going on is that the American right has realized that it
is a dying minority, and the only way it can hang onto power is
via nefarious means. Thus, they will try and disenfranchise
voters or otherwise use authoritarian tactics in desperate (and,
frankly, pathetic) bids to stay relevant. Reducing the number
of polling stations, making it harder for people (particularly
Black and Brown people), gerrymandering congressional districts
to give them an edge in the legislature even though they're strictly
a minority most places.... That's what leads to these absurdly
long lines etc.

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On 11-13-20, DALE SHIPP said to CHARLES PIERSON:

On 11-12-20 07:00, Charles Pierson <=-
spoke to Gerhard Strangar about Counting votes <=-

I simply don't trust the mail enough to be 100% confident my ballot wouldn't get lost accidentally, let alone any potential fraud. I've
had too many instances of mail not mine being delivered to my address
to feel otherwise, and not just my neighbors, but mail for addresses
not in my neighborhood.

I did not trust the mail either, especially after seeing all that Trump DS>and his appointees were doing to muck up the post office.

The only `muck up the post office' that took place was leftie mail carriers throwing away mail-in ballots....and postal supervisors ordering employees to mark mail-in ballots recieved late, as having been recieved on time.


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