On 25 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

Thanks for those comforting words, but I still worry.

It is a privilege to announce that after today, I don't think that there
any doubt that President Trump will be re-elected.

According to who? The self-appointed chairman of the
Committee to RE-Elect the President (C.R.E.E.P.)?

At least 24 Democrats and 1 Republican disagree, each claiming
one of them will win the prize next November.

Robert Mueller testified under oath

In sworn testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, and the
House Intelligence Committee, Mueller told everyone that due to an
OLC memo from long ago in which one lawyer's opinion was that a
sitting president could not be indicted, it was not DOJ policy for
him to do so, even though his report did not exonerate the president.
He also clearly stated that Donald Trump can be indicted after he
leaves office.

I expect every presidential candidate is going to have a field
day with this. Except for the incumbent, whose only recourse will
be to duck and hide.

that his investigation was not obstructed,

Mueller's report showed at least two instances in which Trump
tried to fire him. It was also shown in his report the president's attempts to cover it up with lies and deceipt.

yet the Democrats want to impeach Trump for obstructing a investigation

Had the president actually fired the special counsel, it would have
been obstruction of justice, which is most definitely an impeachable offense. His efforts to cover up what he did can also be considered obstruction.

that the lead investigator said was not obstructed.

The AG claimed the Mueller report fully exonerated Trump. The special counsel testified on live television that the AG lied, that the report does not exonerate Trump, and that Trump can be charged after he leaves office.

The Dems wanted The Empire Strikes back but what they got was re-runs of
Matlock instead.

The only show on today was Mueller testifying before the Congress.
With real people, not actors playing a part.

The so called Mueller Report is a joke, what happened yesterday indicates
that his name was used because of his prestigious reputation but the 14 people who put it together were all Democrats and Hillary Clinton supporters and donated heavily to her campaign and even partied with her the night of the election. That must of been one helluva hangover the morning after - the kind that is remedied with a little more of the dog that bit you last night. Breakfast of Champions - even though they lost, still there is this hangover to deal with...

He seemed incoherent, lost and even appeared to be drugged not knowing key elements of the report that bared his name. He knew nothing of Fusion GPS,
He did not even know who Corey Lewandowski was. This was a disaster for the Dems. He was not prepared. It is obviously clear that he was a figurehead.

It is time to investigate the investigators.

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On 25 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not obstructed, yet the Democrats want to impeach Trump for obstructing a investigation that the lead investigator said was not obstructed.

Attempts to Obstruct do not have to be successful to be a crime. You
are totally misconstruing what the Mueller report and Muller said.

This is a matter of record, it's not hear say, he did under oath say that his investigation was not obstructed....

Game Over.

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On 24 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Jul 24 18:06:12, you wrote to aaron thomas:

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not obstructed,

he did no such thing, liar...

Deny it all you wish, the fact remains, as it is a matter of record.

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On 2019 Jul 25 07:06:08, you wrote to me:

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not
obstructed,

he did no such thing, liar...

Deny it all you wish, the fact remains, as it is a matter of record.

no, it is not, liar... he said no such thing about the investigation, obstruction, or collusion...

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Hello Greg,

[..]

The only show on today was Mueller testifying before the Congress.
With real people, not actors playing a part.

The so called Mueller Report is a joke, what happened yesterday indicates
that his name was used because of his prestigious reputation but the 14 people who put it together were all Democrats and Hillary Clinton
supporters and donated heavily to her campaign and even partied with her
the night of the election. That must of been one helluva hangover the
morning after - the kind that is remedied with a little more of the dog
that bit you last night. Breakfast of Champions - even though they lost, still there is this hangover to deal with...

Excuse me? As special counsel, Bob Mueller had overseen the work
of almost 60 people (lawyers and FBI agents) who interviewed hundreds
of people and conducted countless investigations. His report speaks
for itself, and is largely available for the general public to read.

He seemed incoherent, lost and even appeared to be drugged not knowing key
elements of the report that bared his name. He knew nothing of Fusion GPS,
He did not even know who Corey Lewandowski was. This was a disaster for the Dems. He was not prepared. It is obviously clear that he was a figurehead.

On, come now. Bob Mueller was the perfect witness. Ask any
competent lawyer, and they will tell you if their witness is going
to testify, that is exactly what they would want them to do.

What do I mean by that?

A good witness is someone who -

1. answers only the questions being asked of him;

2. if the question requires a "yes" or "no" answer, gives
a "yes" or "no" answer;

3. does not grandstand or offer more information that is required; and

4. if he did not fully hear the question, asks to repeat it so that
he is not giving an answer to something that they were not asked ...

Now compare how Bob Mueller conducted himself with how your beloved
president conducted himself. And do note the difference.

It is time to investigate the investigators.

All 435 members of the House of Representatives?
What about the 100 members of the Senate? Or should
just the president's lawyer (Bob Barr) be investigated?

Time to face the facts. The president is a crook. Just like Nixon.
Only Nixon had the decency to resign from office in disgrace.

--Lee

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On 26 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

He seemed incoherent, lost and even appeared to be drugged not knowing ke
elements of the report that bared his name. He knew nothing of Fusion GP He did not even know who Corey Lewandowski was. This was a disaster for Dems. He was not prepared. It is obviously clear that he was a figurehe

On, come now. Bob Mueller was the perfect witness. Ask any
competent lawyer, and they will tell you if their witness is going
to testify, that is exactly what they would want them to do.

He indicated that did not want to go, but he was sent.
I actually feel sorry for the guy - he was not prepared, answered no or I do not recall, or flat out indicated that he was not going to provide an answer.
I think someone reported over 200 times. He was intentionally used by the democrats to get Trump at any cost. They tried to bait him several times but provided no bombshell answers that that Democrats could use.

Even MSNBC called it a disaster.

The best quote did not from the inside the hearing, it came from outside and from the President of the United States,
"The Democrats had nothing and now they have worse then nothing."

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On 07-25-19 06:53, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=-

On 25 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not obstructed, yet the Democrats want to impeach
Trump for obstructing a
investigation that the lead investigator said was not obstructed.

Attempts to Obstruct do not have to be successful to be a crime. You
are totally misconstruing what the Mueller report and Muller said.

This is a matter of record, it's not hear say, he did under oath say
that his investigation was not obstructed....

Irrelevant to the elements of a crime of obstruction of justice.

Dale Shipp
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On 26 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was n obstructed, yet the Democrats want to impeach
Trump for obstructing a
investigation that the lead investigator said was not obstructed

Irrelevant to the elements of a crime of obstruction of justice.

Yeah the entire case is irrelevant as well as a complete waste of time. Obstruction wouldn't be considered to be a crime if he did, but he didn't. Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not obstructed. This was one of the gotcha questions that the Democrats asked the other day,
to try to burn down the President - it failed just as every other attempt.

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On 07-24-19 18:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=-

It is a privilege to announce that after today, I don't think

that

there is any doubt that President Trump will be re-elected.

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was

not

obstructed, yet the Democrats want to impeach Trump for

obstructing a

investigation that the lead investigator said was not

obstructed.

Attempts to Obstruct do not have to be successful to be a crime. You
are totally misconstruing what the Mueller report and Muller said.

It seems to me that in order for a charge of 'obstruction' to be
successful there would have to be some underlying criminal
investigation that was being obstructed. There was no underlying crime
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On 2019 Jul 26 06:49:30, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was n
[sic] obstructed, yet the Democrats want to impeach Trump for
obstructing a investigation that the lead investigator said was not
obstructed

Irrelevant to the elements of a crime of obstruction of justice.

Yeah the entire case is irrelevant as well as a complete waste of time.

obstruction is ALWAYS relevant! what are you? a damned crook like so many others???

Obstruction wouldn't be considered to be a crime if he did, but he
didn't.

obstruction is ALWAYS a crime!

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not obstructed.

he did no such thing...

This was one of the gotcha questions that the Democrats asked the
other day,

it was not a "gotcha" question but you surely seem to have misunderstood it like so many other ignorant people...

if mueller actually did say this then provide a link to an undoctored video...

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On 2019 Jul 26 10:40:26, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

Attempts to Obstruct do not have to be successful to be a crime. You
are totally misconstruing what the Mueller report and Muller said.

It seems to me that in order for a charge of 'obstruction' to be successful there would have to be some underlying criminal
investigation that was being obstructed.

nope... how could they obstruct an investigation being done in secret? they couldn't... granted, this investigation was not done in secret... i'm shooting at your blanket statement that the investigation also has to be being obstructed... that's false...

There was no underlying crime

there absolutely are crimes being performed... quite a few of them, actually...
the emoluments clause has been broken many times and continues to be broken now...

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Hello Greg,

LL> >He seemed incoherent, lost and even appeared to be drugged not
knowing ke
LL> > elements of the report that bared his name. He knew nothing of
Fusion GP
LL> > He did not even know who Corey Lewandowski was. This was a disaster for
LL> > Dems. He was not prepared. It is obviously clear that he was a figurehe
LL>
LL> On, come now. Bob Mueller was the perfect witness. Ask any
LL> competent lawyer, and they will tell you if their witness is going
LL> to testify, that is exactly what they would want them to do.

He indicated that did not want to go, but he was sent.

A reluctant warrior. But still true to his word. Unlike his former
boss (AG Bill Barr), after being subpoena'd he did show up to testify.

I actually feel sorry for the guy - he was not prepared, answered no or I do
not recall, or flat out indicated that he was not going to provide an
answer.

He held his own, and did quite well for a fellow who is almost age 75.
Even if he has lost a few steps due to age. Sharp as a tack, not
missing a beat, he told the truth - unlike the piece of orange crap
we have residing in the oval office.

I think someone reported over 200 times. He was intentionally used by the
democrats to get Trump at any cost. They tried to bait him several times
but provided no bombshell answers that that Democrats could use.

I am sure some folks would have loved for Mueller to have given
them some sound bites that would have sunk Trump's boat. But that
was wishful thinking on their part, probably due to their hopes of
using Mueller's testimony to get President Trump to resign from
office.

Even MSNBC called it a disaster.

Given their lineup of commentators, that is probably true. But that
does not change who Mueller is, or change any of his testimony.

The best quote did not from the inside the hearing, it came from outside and
from the President of the United States, "The Democrats had nothing and now they have worse then nothing."

Some Democrats were expecting too much from Mueller. None of his
testimony surprised me, as he has testified before the Congress some
89 times, always in the same dry manner. The scope of his tesimony
was also quite limited, as he had stated beforehand.

With Mueller's testimony in the bag, we can all move forward in this impeachment inquiry, with many more witnesses to come between now and
election day ...

--Lee

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Hello Bob,

It is a privilege to announce that after today, I don't think

that

there is any doubt that President Trump will be re-elected.

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was

not

obstructed, yet the Democrats want to impeach Trump for

obstructing a

investigation that the lead investigator said was not

obstructed.

Attempts to Obstruct do not have to be successful to be a crime. You
are totally misconstruing what the Mueller report and Muller said.

It seems to me that in order for a charge of 'obstruction' to be
successful there would have to be some underlying criminal
investigation that was being obstructed. There was no underlying crime

Aside from Russians meddling in our elections ...

--Lee

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On 07-26-19 06:49, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=-

investigation that the lead investigator

said was not obstructed

Irrelevant to the elements of a crime of obstruction of justice.

Yeah the entire case is irrelevant as well as a complete waste of
time. Obstruction wouldn't be considered to be a crime if he did, but
he didn't. Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation
was not obstructed.

As Mueller and others have said -- attempts to obstruct justice is a
very serious crime. It is still a crime even if the attempt is not
successful. The Mueller report laid out all the legal requirments for
multiple attempts at obstruction of justice by Trump. In case you
missed it, or the news outlets you watch omitted it, he also said that
Trump could be prosecutted for those attempts once he is not in office.

SO -- you just keep on spouting your mantra. It is not relevant.

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On 07-26-19 10:40, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=-

Attempts to Obstruct do not have to be successful to be a crime. You
are totally misconstruing what the Mueller report and Muller said.

It seems to me that in order for a charge of 'obstruction' to be successful there would have to be some underlying criminal
investigation that was being obstructed. There was no underlying
crime .

Nope. Attempts to obstruct an investigation is a crime -- whether or
not that investigation eventually produces evidence of a crime. Besides
which, the Mueller investigation did produce evidence of multiple crimes
and guilty pleas and guilty convictions and prison sentences have
resulted as a result of his investigation.

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On 26 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

what are you? a damned crook like so many others???

I am a Patriot, like so many others.

Patriot
noun
a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.

it was not a "gotcha" question but you surely seem to have misunderstood
it like so many other ignorant people...

adjective: ignorant

lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
"he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid"

synonyms: uneducated, unknowledgeable, untaught, unschooled, untutored, untrained, illiterate, unlettered, unlearned, unread, uninformed, unenlightened, unscholarly, unqualified, benighted, backward; inexperienced, unworldly, unsophisticated;
unintelligent, stupid, simple, empty-headed, mindless;
informalpig-ignorant, thick, airheaded, (as) thick as two short planks, dense, dumb, dim, dopey, wet behind the ears, slow on the uptake, dead from the neck up, a brick short of a load, two sandwiches short of a picnic.

All that is missing is your photo...

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On 27 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

He held his own, and did quite well for a fellow who is almost age 75. Even if he has lost a few steps due to age. Sharp as a tack, not
missing a beat, he told the truth - unlike the piece of orange crap
we have residing in the oval office.

The President is 73 years of age and you don't see or hear him stammering.

I am sure some folks would have loved for Mueller to have given
them some sound bites that would have sunk Trump's boat. But that
was wishful thinking on their part, probably due to their hopes of
using Mueller's testimony to get President Trump to resign from
office.

You need to know what it means to be a Trump.
I would recommend to view.
Meet the Trumps from immigrant to President available on Netflix.

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Hello Greg,

what are you? a damned crook like so many others???

I am a Patriot, like so many others.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
~ Samuel Johnson, 4/7/1775

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

He held his own, and did quite well for a fellow who is almost age 75. >LL>Even if he has lost a few steps due to age. Sharp as a tack, not >LL>missing a beat, he told the truth - unlike the piece of orange crap
we have residing in the oval office.

The President is 73 years of age and you don't see or hear him stammering.

He was ranting and raving, live on television, after Mueller
testified before the Congress. His tweets also reflected his
growing paranoia.

I am sure some folks would have loved for Mueller to have given
them some sound bites that would have sunk Trump's boat. But that
was wishful thinking on their part, probably due to their hopes of >LL>using Mueller's testimony to get President Trump to resign from
office.

You need to know what it means to be a Trump.

I have never met a Trump. Not sure if I would ever want to.

I would recommend to view.

I am sure he puts on quite a show for his diminishing audience.

Meet the Trumps from immigrant to President available on Netflix.

Why not live in person at one of his rallies? Nah. The crowd
would probably start chanting "Send him back!"

--Lee

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obstruction is ALWAYS a crime!

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was

not

obstructed.

he did no such thing...

Uh, yes he did. He was asked flat out if his investigation had been obstructed or hampered in any way. His reply was: "No.
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On 29 Jul 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not obstructed.

he did no such thing...

Uh, yes he did. He was asked flat out if his investigation had been obstructed or hampered in any way. His reply was: No.

Wonderful, I have been saying such for a while now. I have been called a lair repeatedly, and few other choice words, as I am sure you are aware.

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On 07-29-19 19:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=-

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not obstructed.

he did no such thing...

Uh, yes he did. He was asked flat out if his investigation had been obstructed or hampered in any way. His reply was: No.

Wonderful, I have been saying such for a while now. I have been called
a lair repeatedly, and few other choice words, as I am sure you are aware.

No -- you have been told that whether or not the attempts at obstruction
were successful is irrelevant. The attempt itself is against the law.
Mueller said that in at least some cases, Trumps attempts at obstruction
were not successful because others did not carry out his orders.

I am not aware that anyone called you a lair[sic], I certainly have not
done so.

Dale Shipp
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On 30 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 07-29-19 19:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=-

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was no obstructed.

he did no such thing...

Uh, yes he did. He was asked flat out if his investigation had been obstructed or hampered in any way. His reply was: No.

Wonderful, I have been saying such for a while now. I have been calle a lair repeatedly, and few other choice words, as I am sure you are aware.

No -- you have been told that whether or not the attempts at obstruction were successful is irrelevant. The attempt itself is against the law. Mueller said that in at least some cases, Trumps attempts at obstruction were not successful because others did not carry out his orders.

I am not aware that anyone called you a lair[sic], I certainly have not done so.

On 2019 Jul 25 07:06:08, you wrote to me:

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not
obstructed,

he did no such thing, liar...

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On 07-26-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 07-25-19 06:53, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=-

On 25 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not obstructed, yet the Democrats want to impeach
Trump for obstructing a
investigation that ""the lead investigator said was not obstructed.""

***************************************************************************

Attempts to Obstruct do not have to be successful to be a crime.

There was no *obstruction*! Therefore...there is no `crime'!

You are totally misconstruing what the Mueller report and Muller said.

Mueller was (supposedly) the lead investigator. Mueller stated under oath
his investigation was NOT obstructed!


There is no `misconstruing' of anything:


No obstruction....no crime!

This is a matter of record, it's not hear say, he did under oath say
that his investigation was not obstructed....

Irrelevant to the elements of a crime of obstruction of justice.

Thats like saying someone was in a bank when it was robbed...happened to know the bank robber but had no involvement in the robbery or even any
foreknowledge of it.....but being arrested for `bank robbery' because his non involvement or even knowledge of the robbery ...is "Irrelevant to the
elements of a crime of..." bank robbery!


You don't even see the point of that...do you.


But.....this isn't the main point of this post.


By now you've heard a ton of stuff on the `Midland' shooting. Present politicians and those in the democrat 2020 race have lost no time getting
their faces in front of cameras demanding (get ready, folks) *more gun control*!


Chuck Schumer...that sorry bastard from NY....is out front of the pack screaming for `more background checks'!


Lots of other pieces of shi....er....democrats shouting the same stuff....


Here's a reality check:


In the first half of this Labor Day weekend.....there have been 25 people shot in Chicago! Seven of them died!


......Crickets..............


I see a photo of the present mayor of Chicago..Lori Lightfoot?....She doesn't look smart enough to be in a cross walk with a green light by herself! Let alone a `mayor' of anything! She has the look of another one of those (like Hussein Obama) who got `affirmative actioned' through law school...dopey!


But....consider....


Chicago is one of the strictest places in the country for gun control. Yet there are shootings and deaths on a weekly basis. Deaths by shooting number in the hundreds every year!


You lefties either don't see that putting more and more restrictions on firearms does nothing....or you deliberately intend to restrict the ownership and possession of firearms so tightly as to eliminate the meaning and spirit
of the Constitution's Second Amendment.


I know this won't ring any bells in the closed minds of any lefties....but passing more and more restrictions on firearms....the purchase and possession of ammunition....etc...only restricts law abiding citizens. It doesn't stop criminals from getting firearms. Or using them.


All these restrictions and laws that come out after a horrendous shooting only make that type of shooting far more likely, due to potential shooters knowing in advance there will more than likely be nobody at the place they choose to shoot up, with a firearm to oppose them.


That fact is (to use an old phrase) `as plain as the nose on your face'!







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On 07-27-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 07-26-19 06:49, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=-

investigation that the lead investigator

said was not obstructed

Irrelevant to the elements of a crime of obstruction of justice.

Yeah the entire case is irrelevant as well as a complete waste of
time. Obstruction wouldn't be considered to be a crime if he did, but
he didn't.

Its fun to watch the lefties' hypocrisy in full blown operation.


When asked about the Steele dosier Mueller exhibited confusion over the
mention of that; fumbling with the papers in front of him; displaying a look
of hearing of this `dossier' for the first time.

Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation
was not obstructed.

The left doesn't assign the same meaning and intent to mere words as normal people do. They verbally dance and fumble around, twisting word meanings to their liking, making them come out in conformance with their agenda.

As Mueller and others have said -- attempts to obstruct justice is a
very serious crime. It is still a crime even if the attempt is not DS>successful.

By that criteria Hillary Clinton should have already been tried and in prison for so many charges as to be serving a life sentence.

The Mueller report laid out all the legal requirments for
multiple attempts at obstruction of justice by Trump.

Not one of which could be added up to a chargeable offense against Trump.


Mueller sat through `testifying' (to apply a compassionate term to what was actually a stumbling, bumbling display of Alzheimer's middle stages on live
TV) and not one single legitimate criminal charge or impeachable offense against Trump did he point out.


Madler, Shiff and other leftie loonies sputtered...muttered....harumphed and spewed vague threats of `further investigations'....but they have nothing!

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