• Microsoft Win10 ARM

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jagossel on Fri Oct 26 09:56:55 2018
    Re: Microsoft Win10 ARM
    By: Jagossel to Nightfox on Fri Oct 26 2018 08:39 am

    I've heard Microsoft has been working on a version of Win10 that runs
    on ARM but I don't know of any such devices on the market yet. I
    thought it was st in development, and that PC makers were still
    working on ARM-based Windows devices.

    That wasn't the impression that I got years ago. I thought with Windows 8, they did come up with an ARM version of Windows, and it was called "Windows 8 RT", and was not well received by the consumers and Microsoft scraped the idea pretty quickly when Windows 8.1 was released (or at least pulled it off the market pretty quickly).

    Windows 8 RT was a separate thing. It did run on ARM, but the problem was that it only ran the new-style Windows "Metro" apps, which people didn't find useful. I think people also found it confusing, since it was a version of Windows that didn't run any of the regular Windows desktop software. So it didn't sell well and it was pulled off the market. Microsoft is trying again with this ARM verson of Windows 10 though. This new ARM Windows 10 has the desktop interface and will run desktop Windows software, and even includes an x86 emulator for compatibility so it can run 32-bit Intel software on ARM.

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Nightfox on Fri Oct 26 08:39:24 2018
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    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Thu Oct 25 2018 17:08:42

    I've heard Microsoft has been working on a version of Win10 that runs on ARM but I don't know of any such devices on the market yet. I thought it was st in development, and that PC makers were still working on ARM-based Windows devices.

    That wasn't the impression that I got years ago. I thought with Windows 8, they did come up with an ARM version of Windows, and it was called "Windows 8 RT", and was not well received by the consumers and Microsoft scraped the idea pretty quickly when Windows 8.1 was released (or at least pulled it off the market pretty quickly).

    Who knows...


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jagossel on Fri Oct 26 10:07:02 2018
    Re: Microsoft Win10 ARM
    By: Nightfox to Jagossel on Fri Oct 26 2018 09:56 am

    Here are a couple of pages on this: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-arm-here-stay-whether-you-it-or-not

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jagossel on Sat Oct 27 11:28:00 2018
    On 10-26-18 08:39, Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-

    That wasn't the impression that I got years ago. I thought with Windows
    8, they did come up with an ARM version of Windows, and it was called "Windows 8 RT", and was not well received by the consumers and
    Microsoft scraped the idea pretty quickly when Windows 8.1 was released (or at least pulled it off the market pretty quickly).

    I think when people see "Windows", they expect to be able to do everything on it that they can on their (Windows) desktop or laptop, while Windows RT, from what I understand was an experience that was more like using a tablet - limited app selection, etc.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Oct 27 11:30:00 2018
    On 10-26-18 09:56, Nightfox wrote to Jagossel <=-

    though. This new ARM Windows 10 has the desktop interface and will run desktop Windows software, and even includes an x86 emulator for compatibility so it can run 32-bit Intel software on ARM.

    That may have better luck, depending on how good the emulation is in terms of both speed and accuracy. Time will tell. But will they get it out in time, before all the popular Windows software goes 64 bit?


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  • From Chai@VERT/FRUGALBB to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 27 17:14:00 2018
    That may have better luck, depending on how good the emulation is in
    terms of both speed and accuracy. Time will tell. But will they get
    it out in time, before all the popular Windows software goes 64 bit?

    What exactly is the advantage of having ARM processors? Is it just battery life? As I understand, obtaining additional speed out of a CPU is problematic due to the physics limitations of current CPU hardware. Therefore, it's unlikely that any CPU would outperform an Intel in the immediate future.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 29 09:48:32 2018
    Re: Re: Microsoft Win10 ARM
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Oct 27 2018 11:30 am

    though. This new ARM Windows 10 has the desktop interface and will
    run desktop Windows software, and even includes an x86 emulator for
    compatibility so it can run 32-bit Intel software on ARM.

    That may have better luck, depending on how good the emulation is in terms of both speed and accuracy. Time will tell. But will they get it out in time, before all the popular Windows software goes 64 bit?

    I'm wondering if a lot of Windows software will still have a 32-bit option for a while, since 64-bit Intel/AMD processors can run 32-bit software without much (if any) performance impact.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Chai on Mon Oct 29 10:04:20 2018
    Re: Re: Microsoft Win10 ARM
    By: Chai to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 27 2018 05:14 pm

    What exactly is the advantage of having ARM processors? Is it just battery life? As I understand, obtaining additional speed out of a CPU is problematic due to the physics limitations of current CPU hardware. Therefore, it's unlikely that any CPU would outperform an Intel in the immediate future.

    I believe battery life is a main advantage, and perhaps performance per watt. Intel's processors with their 10 nanometer manufacturing technology has been significantly delayed, and I think some companies are worried that Intel is stagnating.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Oct 31 10:41:00 2018
    On 10-29-18 09:48, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That may have better luck, depending on how good the emulation is in terms of both speed and accuracy. Time will tell. But will they get it out in time, before all the popular Windows software goes 64 bit?

    I'm wondering if a lot of Windows software will still have a 32-bit
    option for a while, since 64-bit Intel/AMD processors can run 32-bit software without much (if any) performance impact.

    Hard to tell. The tipping point will be when memory requirements start to exceed a few GB for a single instance, then 64 bit will become highly advantageous, same if we see a lot of common software manipulating lots of huge numbers or data structures.


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