• 3d printing

    From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to All on Sun Aug 11 00:06:44 2019
    Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.

    Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time with it.

    Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints come out great, only a few failed ones.)
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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 01:03:58 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to All on Sun Aug 11 2019 00:06:44

    Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.

    I have been for the past few years. Not as a hobby unto itself, but to produce custom functional parts
    for projects and household things. It's been extremely useful.

    Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time with it.

    I've heard mixed but mostly positive reviews of this. The price seems right.

    I have a Prusa i3 MK3. Very happy with it. Having assembled it from parts makes it a bit easier for me
    to troubleshoot hardware problems when they come up.

    Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints come out great, only a few failed ones.)

    Read everything you can about fine-tuning your printer - adjusting belts, levelling the bed, setting the
    initial z-axis height, etc. Small changes here and there can make a big difference. Learn about your
    slicer software and make sure you're using the best settings there for your printer. When things are out
    of whack (in hardware or software) each problem produces its own symptoms. Follow some forums (Reddit
    has several good 3D printing communities) and you'll see what other people are up to, what problems they
    run into and how they solve them.

    At one point I was worried that I would spend more time fiddling with the printer itself rather than
    using it to further my actual projects. Now I'm able to just use it, and outside of regular maintenance
    (also something you should look into) I don't have to mess with it much.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 11:04:33 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to All on Sun Aug 11 2019 12:06 am

    Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.

    Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time with it.

    Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints come out great, only a few failed ones.) ---

    I haven't gotten into it yet, but I've thought of buying a 3D printer if I had more room in the house. It still seems like a bit of a novelty to me though, and I'm not quite sure what I'd use one for.. I've heard you can 3D print replacement parts for things around the house though (such as hinges for cabinet doors, etc.).

    Nightfox

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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to echicken on Sun Aug 11 17:56:56 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: echicken to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 2019 01:03 am

    I have been for the past few years. Not as a hobby unto itself, but to produce custom functional parts for projects and household things. It's been extremely useful.

    I've started with some toy/fun type models, I'm now starting to look at useful models for household things. (Shelves, brackets, etc.)


    I've seen quite a few videos about the Prusa's, they seem quite popular too. It seems to either be the Ender series or the Prusa's that people are going for.

    I think my settings and tolarances are pretty good right now. Tomorrow I'll be getting a new glass plate, so I'll have to adjust the nozzle height again.

    I'm also getting an octaprint kit tomorrow, that should be fun the play with. (Could have set one up myself, but figured a pre-configured kit was easier and not that expensive).
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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to Nightfox on Sun Aug 11 18:03:05 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 2019 11:04 am

    I haven't gotten into it yet, but I've thought of buying a 3D printer if I had more room in the house. It still seems like a bit of a novelty to me though, and I'm not quite sure what I'd use one for.. I've heard you can 3D print replacement parts for things around the house though (such as hinges for cabinet doors, etc.).

    Mine is actually on my kitchen island, not to big.

    It does seem like a little bit of a novelty, but it seems like there could be some interesting uses.

    I found some models for some DIY nanoleaf like lights, so I might try printing them soon.
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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 18:37:30 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to echicken on Sun Aug 11 2019 17:56:56

    I'll be getting a new glass plate, so I'll have to adjust the nozzle

    If a spring-steel sheet is available for your printer, I'd recommend trying it. Makes it extremely easy
    to lift prints off of the bed once they're done. (This is standard with the i3.)

    I'm also getting an octaprint kit tomorrow, that should be fun the play with. (Could have set one up myself, but figured a pre-configured kit was easier and not that expens

    I have an OctoPi set up. It's been useful, especially since the printer is on the other side of the room
    from my desk (I wouldn't trust a USB cable that long, nor do I want to shuffle SD cards around). Remote
    monitoring and timelapse videos are fun extras, and there are some other useful plug-ins.

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/ALLEYCAT to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Aug 13 09:56:54 2019
    Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.

    Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time with it.

    Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints come out great, only a few failed ones.)
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    When you get the hang of it, let me know, perhaps you would be able to print me a nice housing for my kuman 7" Touch Screen :-)


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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to echicken on Tue Aug 13 11:29:27 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: echicken to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 2019 06:37 pm

    If a spring-steel sheet is available for your printer, I'd recommend trying it. Makes it extremely easy to lift prints off of the bed once they're done. (This is standard with the i3.)

    I'll have to look into spring-steel sheets.

    Found one for 17$ here: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P2DCPGH


    Yes, that is part of my main reason for the OctoPi. Getting a little tired with having to pull out the SD card, put gcode on it and move back to the printer.
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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to Mortifis on Tue Aug 13 11:59:09 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Mortifis to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Aug 13 2019 09:56 am

    When you get the hang of it, let me know, perhaps you would be able to print me a nice housing for my kuman 7" Touch Screen :-)

    I'm in no way a designer, so I'm not sure how well that would work out. Would probably need an STL file made by someone for that screen.

    I did find a $12 case on Amazon, when looking up the screen: https://www.amazon.com/Kuman-Raspberry-Screen-Case-Holder/dp/B07K4YFBH9

    Personally I'd probably buy a case, especially since you can get one as low as $12. Looks a lot nicer than what I'd expect to come off a 3d printer, LOL. :)
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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Aug 13 12:34:54 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to echicken on Tue Aug 13 2019 11:29:27

    Yes, that is part of my main reason for the OctoPi. Getting a little tired with having to pull out the SD card, put gcode on it and move back to the printer.

    Yep, it really took a lot of hassle out of the printing process for me. Some slicers will even send
    gcode directly to an OctoPrint server so that you don't have to upload it manually via the web UI.
    (Slic3r does this, anyway, with an option to begin printing immediately after the upload completes.)

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  • From echicken@VERT/ECBBS to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Aug 13 12:38:12 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to Mortifis on Tue Aug 13 2019 11:59:09

    When you get the hang of it, let me know, perhaps you would be able
    to print me a nice housing for my kuman 7" Touch Screen :-)

    I'm in no way a designer, so I'm not sure how well that would work out. Would probably need an STL file made by someone for that screen.

    There would almost certainly already be one on Thingiverse or similar.

    I did find a $12 case on Amazon, when looking up the screen:

    Probably faster and cheaper for him. :)

    Personally I'd probably buy a case, especially since you can get one as low as $12. Looks a lot nicer than what I'd expect to come off a 3d printer, LOL. :)

    The main reason I would print one instead would be for whatever extra stuff I might be putting around or
    behind the screen. This would require some design work, but that's where this stuff really comes in
    handy for me. I'm sick of jamming custom projects into off-the-shelf enclosures, and I'd rather produce
    a new purpose-built case.

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Nightfox on Wed Sep 4 11:41:22 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Sun Aug 11 2019 11:04 am

    I haven't gotten into it yet, but I've thought of buying a 3D printer if I h hings around the house though (such as hinges for cabinet doors, etc.).

    I think they are useful for custom things like if you are in need of a case for your custom SD hard-drive simulator for a classic computer, and you print out a bad ass replica of what the commodore 1541 drive looked like, and stick your little usb SD drive in it. Stuff like that.

    Beyond that 3D printing is going to be big in the future for 2 things:

    1.. Medical... when they are full on printing replacement organs and skin for skin grafting... it's almost there.

    2.. Home purchasing and food... For when you need a new spatula and you go on to bed bath and beyond and "purchase" the print routine for one and print your own. Or, need food and we all have some kind of organic edible crap and some machine with flavors all hooked up to the printer, and you call mcdonalds and "print up" a big mac, yum.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Zombie Mambo on Wed Sep 4 09:29:51 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Wed Sep 04 2019 11:41 am

    1.. Medical... when they are full on printing replacement organs and skin for skin grafting... it's almost there.

    I've heard of prosthetic legs & such bring 3D printed in a couple instances.

    2.. Home purchasing and food... For when you need a new spatula and you go on to bed bath and beyond and "purchase" the print routine for one and print your own. Or, need food and we all have some kind of organic edible crap and some machine with flavors all hooked up to the printer, and you call mcdonalds and "print up" a big mac, yum.

    You could probably just purchase a spatula pattern once and 3d-print one whenever you need a new spatula. And also, I've heard of NASA (I think) "printing" a pizza for astronauts a while ago.

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  • From Jamestyree@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Sep 10 14:16:53 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to All on Sun Aug 11 2019 12:06 am

    Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.

    Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time with it.

    Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints come out great, only a few failed ones.)

    Hello Ernest,

    I have a Shapeoko 2 from Inventables.com. I have had it for a couple of years but I don't use it very much any longer. My other hobby includes vintage stereo systems, including reel to reel tape decks. I got one deck made by Akai and after 30 years, the aluminum cams inside that were responsible for playing, recording, FF/RW (everything was manual back then) had started to disintegrate. I was able to recreate one that worked perfectly and shared it on thingiverse.com. About a year after I had shared it, I was contacted by a business in Montana USA that services and restores the reel to reel decks. Aparently Akai decks were pleagued with the issue of poor castings and the cams (there were 4 in each deck) would just crumble after 2-3 decades of use.

    Anyway, I was commisioned by them to create the complete set of cams which took a couple of weeks. Nobody makes them any longer and they were used in 15 different models. Collectors were starving for a new source for them. I am happy to share that I made perfect models and sold the rights to them to the folks that commisioned me. He's selling them for $75 a set (all four could fit in the palm of your hand). He's happy, I was very well compensated and the community is very pleased with them!

    James

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 13 10:16:00 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Jamestyree to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Sep 10 2019 02:16 pm

    Re: 3d printing
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to All on Sun Aug 11 2019 12:06 am

    Just curious if anyone is into 3d printing.

    Just obtained an Ender-3 from a woot.com special. Having a good time wit it.

    Total newbie at it... but trying to get the hang of it. (Most prints com out great, only a few failed ones.)

    Hello Ernest,

    I have a Shapeoko 2 from Inventables.com. I have had it for a couple of yea but I don't use it very much any longer. My other hobby includes vintage stereo systems, including reel to reel tape decks. I got one deck made by A and after 30 years, the aluminum cams inside that were responsible for playi recording, FF/RW (everything was manual back then) had started to disintegra I was able to recreate one that worked perfectly and shared it on thingiverse.com. About a year after I had shared it, I was contacted by a business in Montana USA that services and restores the reel to reel decks. Aparently Akai decks were pleagued with the issue of poor castings and the c (there were 4 in each deck) would just crumble after 2-3 decades of use.

    Anyway, I was commisioned by them to create the complete set of cams which t a couple of weeks. Nobody makes them any longer and they were used in 15 different models. Collectors were starving for a new source for them. I am happy to share that I made perfect models and sold the rights to them to the folks that commisioned me. He's selling them for $75 a set (all four could in the palm of your hand). He's happy, I was very well compensated and the community is very pleased with them!

    James

    Recently I pulled some old vinyl from storage and discovered my cheap Emerson stereo I bought in the 1980's would play them slowly, like the the belt was dragging. Anyways, after a little searching it appears that it is common for the rubber belts from that era to break down and turn to sticky mush, and another issue with older audio equipment was small plastic gears losing
    teeth, or completely disintegrating due to age or chemical composition of the plastics.

    Another observation with just about any electronic vintage device is there's quite a few bad of leaky capacitors out there. Some are in such bad shape
    they are corroding the traces on the circuit boards. I'm sure you ran into similar problems, but I felt like venting on how it makes collecting old
    items a bit of a challenge.

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  • From Jamestyree@VERT/AMSTRAD to Moondog on Sat Sep 14 16:31:59 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Moondog to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 13 2019 10:16 am

    belt was dragging. Anyways, after a little searching it appears that it is common for the rubber belts from that era to break down and turn to sticky mush, and another issue with older audio equipment was small plastic gears losing
    teeth, or completely disintegrating due to age or chemical composition of the plastics.

    I don't remember what it's called, but all the "rubber" in everything we use today isn't rubber, it's man made. After so much time, it revers to it's original gooey state. There are products that you can buy that you spray on "rubber" to preserve and lengthen their life but I've never used them. I had to replace a belt in an 8-track player recently and it was stuck on EVERYTHING in the deck and was so hard to clean. Once it gets on your skin, it's there for days!!

    Glad to hear that you're getting back into vinyl!! There's that whole debate over what sounds better, digital music or analog but I'm not in it for the absolute quality of the sound. I enjoy the entire process of getting the record out of the sleeve, using an anti-static brush to clean the dust off, manually place the needle on the record and then sit back and enjoy looking at the album art and reading whatever is on the jacket.

    I have a Sony HAP-S1, digital music player for music that I don't have on tape or vinyl. It's like a giant MP3 player. It's nice, but I don't feel any connection to the music like I do when I own the album, reel or cassette. All of the hipsters are really helping to revive vinyl and I think that is awesome. You really see so much more NEW music getting released on Vinyl again!

    I rememberwhen I thought $7 was a lot to spend on a record and today it's $20 or more!! Still, I think it's great!

    Moondog, what kind of music were you into back when your records were new?
    What did you pull out of storage? :-) I used to love Van Halen, AC/DC, Pat Benetar, Heart, etc. Now, at 51, I've added a good bit of folk music, some classical, and jazz. I'm close to owing all of the Steve Miller Band's records. Not counting all of the re-releases and live albums (I hate live albums).

    James

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jamestyree on Sun Sep 15 08:33:00 2019
    On 09-14-19 16:31, Jamestyree wrote to Moondog <=-

    Glad to hear that you're getting back into vinyl!! There's that whole debate over what sounds better, digital music or analog but I'm not in
    it for the absolute quality of the sound. I enjoy the entire process
    of getting the record out of the sleeve, using an anti-static brush to clean the dust off, manually place the needle on the record and then
    sit back and enjoy looking at the album art and reading whatever is on
    the jacket.

    Yeah, I don't buy the "vinyl sounds better" argument, but I to see the charm in handling and playing vinyl. That side is something that modern media can't capture and reproduce. And album art is definitely better on a 12" cover! :)

    I have a Sony HAP-S1, digital music player for music that I don't have
    on tape or vinyl. It's like a giant MP3 player. It's nice, but I
    don't feel any connection to the music like I do when I own the album, reel or cassette. All of the hipsters are really helping to revive
    vinyl and I think that is awesome. You really see so much more NEW
    music getting released on Vinyl again!

    I think if there's more emphasis on the whole playing experience of vinyl, its future is assured. Sure, I love the convenience of being able to carry my entire music collection with me on the phone, but there is something special about the process and experience of spinning a record. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 15 14:05:33 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Vk3jed to Jamestyree on Sun Sep 15 2019 08:33 am

    sit back and enjoy looking at the album art and reading whatever is on the jacket.

    Yeah, I don't buy the "vinyl sounds better" argument, but I to see the charm handling and playing vinyl. That side is something that modern media can't capture and reproduce. And album art is definitely better on a 12" cover! :


    old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.
    has a warm sound to it.
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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@VERT/LOSTCAUS to Jamestyree on Sun Sep 15 14:15:30 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Jamestyree to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Tue Sep 10 2019 02:16 pm

    I have a Shapeoko 2 from Inventables.com. I have had it for a couple of years but I don't use it very much any longer. My other hobby includes vintage stereo systems, including reel to reel tape decks. I got one deck made by Akai and after 30 years, the aluminum cams inside that were responsible for playing, recording, FF/RW (everything was manual back then) had started to disintegrate. I was able to recreate one that worked perfectly and shared it on thingiverse.com. About a year after I had shared it, I was contacted by a business in Montana USA that services and restores the reel to reel decks. [..snip..]

    That's awesome, perfect use for a 3d printer. I haven't really started yet with trying to design anything, but having a bit of fun going through thingiverse.


    That's great, that there is an actual need for the part you designed and it is helping collectors keep their machines running. A little compensation is nice too... ;)
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Mon Sep 16 08:14:00 2019
    On 09-15-19 14:05, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.
    has a warm sound to it.

    With something like 5% intermodulation distorton - something rarely talked about with analog media. To my ears, that muddies the audio a bit, especially when there's massed vocals or instruments. But my sensory processing is likely different to most.

    A lot of people do say CDs sound "harsh". The cause of this, from what I've read, turned out to be the sharp cutoff above 20 kHz, due to the anti aliasing filters and relatively low sample rate. At one stage, a CD player was released, which deliberately allowed aliased audio above 20 kHz to bleed through, and apparently, people did find this one less harsh. Vinyl can reproduce ultrasonic frequencies well, especially with the right shaped stylus.
    This capability has been used in the 1970s to enable quadrophonic LPs to be pressed.

    And yes, before you say it, MP3, AAC and other lossy compressed audio can sound noticably degraded too, though in different ways. Certain audio tracks really show up these issues. And oddly enough, for me, VBR compression seems to sound worse than CBR to me.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sun Sep 15 16:35:22 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 15 2019 02:05 pm

    Yeah, I don't buy the "vinyl sounds better" argument, but I to see the

    old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.
    has a warm sound to it.

    That could also have something to do with the electronics, not just the fact that it's on vinyl. If you plug a record player into a PC and digitize it, the digitized version should sound the same, but that would depend on the equipment you're playing it back on.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sun Sep 15 18:54:00 2019
    MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    sit back and enjoy looking at the album art and reading whatever is on the jacket.

    Yeah, I don't buy the "vinyl sounds better" argument, but I to see the charm handling and playing vinyl. That side is something that modern media can't capture and reproduce. And album art is definitely better on a 12" cover! :

    old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.
    has a warm sound to it.

    I agree. There's really not much doubt about it, especially
    noticeable when wearing (good) headphones.

    Along the same lines, sort of, is that an old fashioned
    vacuum-tube amplifier will usually sound better as compared to a
    modern solid-state one, assuming decent enough speakers are used.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sun Sep 15 18:38:38 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Sep 15 2019 06:54 pm

    Along the same lines, sort of, is that an old fashioned
    vacuum-tube amplifier will usually sound better as compared to a
    modern solid-state one, assuming decent enough speakers are used.

    I could see that with early solid-state amps.. I heard the early solid-state amps weren't very popular because they just didn't sound a sgood, but I think solid-state technology has advanced fairly well. I have a Fender Mustang III v2 amp, which is a solid-state modeling amp that simulates the sound of other Fender amps. It might not sound exactly like the other amps, but IMO it sounds pretty darn good. At its price, I think it's a very good value too.. I previously had a Fender '65 Twin Reissue amp, and I wanted something a bit smaller and lighter, which is why I bought the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly less expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.

    I've heard good things about the Boss Katana amps too (which are also solid-state modeling amps).

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Mon Sep 16 20:04:00 2019
    On 09-15-19 18:54, Gamgee wrote to MRO <=-

    old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.
    has a warm sound to it.

    I agree. There's really not much doubt about it, especially
    noticeable when wearing (good) headphones.

    A "warm" sound is often attributed to a modest amount of even harmonic distortion, FYI.

    Along the same lines, sort of, is that an old fashioned
    vacuum-tube amplifier will usually sound better as compared to a
    modern solid-state one, assuming decent enough speakers are used.

    It depends on the application. Sure, early solid state amps were bad, but modern MOSFET amplifiers are a different breed altogether.


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  • From Jamestyree@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Thu Sep 19 13:10:51 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 15 2019 02:05 pm

    old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.
    has a warm sound to it.

    I agree. Most MP3's just don't sound as good. I have a few albums that are FLAC files (supposedly "lossless recordings") that are supposed to sound as good as the original master recording. But I'll stick with my records. :)

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  • From Jamestyree@VERT/AMSTRAD to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Thu Sep 19 13:13:45 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Ernest J Gainey Iii to Jamestyree on Sun Sep 15 2019 02:15 pm

    That's awesome, perfect use for a 3d printer. I haven't really started yet with trying to design anything, but having a bit of fun going through thingiverse.

    I can kill a lot oftime looking through Thingiverse! I used TinkerCad (free) to design the parts. It looks cartoonish compared to some of the full-fledged CAD software out there but once you get used to it, it's really not bad.

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  • From Jamestyree@VERT/AMSTRAD to Vk3jed on Thu Sep 19 13:17:13 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Sep 16 2019 08:14 am

    On 09-15-19 14:05, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    old vinyl does. i'm not sure about the new stuff.
    has a warm sound to it.

    With something like 5% intermodulation distorton - something rarely talked about with analog media. To my ears, that muddies the audio a bit, especially when there's massed vocals or instruments. But my sensory processing is likely different to most.

    A lot of people do say CDs sound "harsh". The cause of this, from what I've read, turned out to be the sharp cutoff above 20 kHz, due to the anti aliasing filters and relatively low sample rate. At one stage, a CD player was released, which deliberately allowed aliased audio above 20 kHz to bleed through, and apparently, people did find this one less harsh. Vinyl can reproduce ultrasonic frequencies well, especially with the right shaped stylus.

    My hearing is NOT what it used to be! I have trouble hearing the deeper bass range and my wife gets on me for turning up the TV as much as I do. I do NOT have audiophile level hearing and am amazed at how sensitive some people's hearing can be.

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  • From Jamestyree@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Thu Sep 19 13:19:45 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Sep 15 2019 06:38 pm

    the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly less expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.

    Are those amps for a stereo or something more like a guitar?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jamestyree on Thu Sep 19 10:06:30 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Jamestyree to Nightfox on Thu Sep 19 2019 01:19 pm

    the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly less
    expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.

    Are those amps for a stereo or something more like a guitar?

    Those are guitar amps.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jamestyree on Thu Sep 19 10:16:03 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Jamestyree to MRO on Thu Sep 19 2019 01:10 pm

    I agree. Most MP3's just don't sound as good. I have a few albums that are FLAC files (supposedly "lossless recordings") that are supposed to sound as good as the original master recording. But I'll stick with my records. :)

    FLAC is lossless in that it doesn't remove any data during compression, as opposed to a format like MP3.. And it's lossless compared to the original digital audio (i.e., WAV file or CD audio track) - All of the digital data is preserved in FLAC format. With MP3, some of the audio data (which many people are not likely to hear) is lost, which results in a smaller file size, but it doesn't 100% match the original data.

    I have a hard time believing that a lossless format such as FLAC can't sound as good as vinyl. The Nyquist sampling theorem says that if the sample rate is at least double the highest frequency in the audio, the recording can faithfully reproduce the original sound. Some people have argued that the standard CD sample rate isn't enough for some recordings - but these days there are higher definition digital formats (i.e., 24-bit 192khz recordings). Also, I'd think it might depend on the device/hardware you're playing the music on. Record players and devices for playing FLAC/MP3s tend to have different hardware, different speakers, etc., which may have an effect on the sound. Many PCs and laptops use fairly inexpensive audio codecs/hardware, and might not have the best speakers, which can definitely reduce the sound quality.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 20 09:05:00 2019
    On 09-19-19 13:17, Jamestyree wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My hearing is NOT what it used to be! I have trouble hearing the
    deeper bass range and my wife gets on me for turning up the TV as much
    as I do. I do NOT have audiophile level hearing and am amazed at how sensitive some people's hearing can be.

    My hearing is still pretty good, equivalent to that of a much younger person. I did start from a very high base. At 15, I could hear frequencies as high as 27 kHz. In my late 20s, my upper midrange and high frequencies were more sensitive than normal. In addition, I have weird sensory processing. Sometimes it's a nuisance, but OTOH, it's really good for breaking down sounds into components that include a representation of what's happened to the sound since it was generated. That part is quite sensitive to distortions introduced by audio hardware and software.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 20 09:39:00 2019
    On 09-19-19 13:19, Jamestyree wrote to Nightfox <=-

    @VIA: VERT/AMSTRAD
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Sep 15 2019 06:38 pm

    the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly less expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.

    Are those amps for a stereo or something more like a guitar?

    Yes big difference. Guitar amps don't necessarily need to be "hi fi". The right amount and type of distortion can enhance the sound of a guitar. Valve/tube amps are particularly good at adding the right richness to guitar sounds.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Fri Sep 20 09:54:00 2019
    On 09-19-19 10:16, Nightfox wrote to Jamestyree <=-

    FLAC is lossless in that it doesn't remove any data during compression,
    as opposed to a format like MP3.. And it's lossless compared to the original digital audio (i.e., WAV file or CD audio track) - All of the digital data is preserved in FLAC format. With MP3, some of the audio data (which many people are not likely to hear) is lost, which results
    in a smaller file size, but it doesn't 100% match the original data.

    Agreed on all counts there. FLAC should sound as good as the source PCM audio.

    I have a hard time believing that a lossless format such as FLAC can't sound as good as vinyl. The Nyquist sampling theorem says that if the sample rate is at least double the highest frequency in the audio, the recording can faithfully reproduce the original sound. Some people

    That's correct.

    have argued that the standard CD sample rate isn't enough for some recordings - but these days there are higher definition digital formats

    There is an argument that the ear and brain are subconsciously sensitive to ultrasonic frequencies. We may not directly perceive them, but it appears their presence or abscence can affect the perceived audio quality. Audio that has the ultrasonic range heavily filtered (e.g. CD) has been said to sound "harsh" by some people. I recall reading about a CD player (in the 90s I think) that deliberately allowed some of the aliased (> 24 kHz) energy to bleed through, which some people thought sounded better in listening tests.

    Another possible culprit is severe phase shifting in the upper audio frequencies caused by sharp analog filters, necessary at 44.1 kHz sampling rates. With sample rates as high as 192k, it's possible to do the first stage of antialiasing filtering digitally, where sharp cutoffs can be achieved with no phast shifting/distortion. Then, the analog filter can be much simpler, because it no longer has to filter out audio at 24 kHz, only from around 150 kHz (the DSP has removed everything else in between), which means no severe phase shifting in the audible frequency range.

    (i.e., 24-bit 192khz recordings). Also, I'd think it might depend on

    In theory, higher sampling rates with good source material should be as good a sound as you can get, if the rest of the chain is hi fi.

    the device/hardware you're playing the music on. Record players and devices for playing FLAC/MP3s tend to have different hardware,
    different speakers, etc., which may have an effect on the sound. Many
    PCs and laptops use fairly inexpensive audio codecs/hardware, and might not have the best speakers, which can definitely reduce the sound
    quality.

    That's true, though the comments about the "harshness" of CDs comes from the hi fi community from people who had both a CD player and a turntable on the same system. I'd like to see what they'd think of a good 96 or 192k recording on quaity hardware.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 20 00:58:00 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Jamestyree to Moondog on Sat Sep 14 2019 04:31 pm

    Re: 3d printing
    By: Moondog to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 13 2019 10:16 am

    belt was dragging. Anyways, after a little searching it appears that it common for the rubber belts from that era to break down and turn to stic mush, and another issue with older audio equipment was small plastic gear losing
    teeth, or completely disintegrating due to age or chemical composition of the plastics.

    I don't remember what it's called, but all the "rubber" in everything we use today isn't rubber, it's man made. After so much time, it revers to it's original gooey state. There are products that you can buy that you spray on "rubber" to preserve and lengthen their life but I've never used them. I ha to replace a belt in an 8-track player recently and it was stuck on EVERYTHI in the deck and was so hard to clean. Once it gets on your skin, it's there for days!!

    Glad to hear that you're getting back into vinyl!! There's that whole debat over what sounds better, digital music or analog but I'm not in it for the absolute quality of the sound. I enjoy the entire process of getting the record out of the sleeve, using an anti-static brush to clean the dust off, manually place the needle on the record and then sit back and enjoy looking the album art and reading whatever is on the jacket.

    I have a Sony HAP-S1, digital music player for music that I don't have on ta or vinyl. It's like a giant MP3 player. It's nice, but I don't feel any connection to the music like I do when I own the album, reel or cassette. A of the hipsters are really helping to revive vinyl and I think that is aweso You really see so much more NEW music getting released on Vinyl again!

    I rememberwhen I thought $7 was a lot to spend on a record and today it's $2 or more!! Still, I think it's great!

    Moondog, what kind of music were you into back when your records were new? What did you pull out of storage? :-) I used to love Van Halen, AC/DC, Pat Benetar, Heart, etc. Now, at 51, I've added a good bit of folk music, some classical, and jazz. I'm close to owing all of the Steve Miller Band's records. Not counting all of the re-releases and live albums (I hate live albums).

    James

    I have several older AC/DC albums, Nazareth, Eagles, Foriegner, Bob Seagar, Styx, plus some others I recovered that were older, like some Johnny Cash, Janis Joplin, Young Rascals, the Animals, and Rolling Stones. I think
    there's some Beatles stuff in the cabinet.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Sep 20 01:29:00 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Vk3jed to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:39 am

    On 09-19-19 13:19, Jamestyree wrote to Nightfox <=-

    @VIA: VERT/AMSTRAD
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Sep 15 2019 06:38 pm

    the Mustang amp. If I had known the Mustang was significantly less expensive, I may have bought the Mustang amp in the first place.

    Are those amps for a stereo or something more like a guitar?

    Yes big difference. Guitar amps don't necessarily need to be "hi fi". The right amount and type of distortion can enhance the sound of a guitar. Valve/tube amps are particularly good at adding the right richness to guitar sounds.


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    Most musicians choose an amplifier not for it's accurate sound reproduction, but for it's flawed design characteristics (harmonic distortion, uneven frequency response.) Same goes with vintage speakers. The only time a guitarist wants a clean amp and good speakers is when they produce their sound before the amp via effects boards or pedals,and want only amplification. How it was explained to me was vacuum tubes produce warm even harmonics, while transistors produce harsher odd harmonics. Some of this is aged information
    or heresay, due to the changes over the years from germanium to silicon transistors, and CMOS JFETS have been observed behaving harmonically similar
    to vacumm tubes. Even among basic bulk components such as op amps there are folks who swear one vendor's version of the same chip sounds way better even though their specs are slightly different.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Fri Sep 20 20:18:00 2019
    On 09-20-19 01:29, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Most musicians choose an amplifier not for it's accurate sound reproduction, but for it's flawed design characteristics (harmonic distortion, uneven frequency response.) Same goes with vintage
    speakers. The only time a guitarist wants a clean amp and good speakers

    That's true, and the introducton of musician's equipment into a thread that was originally about the fidenity of recording media (vinyl and digital) really muddied the waters, because there is a big difference between creation (where imperfections can be part of the artistic process) and faithful reproduction of music

    is when they produce their sound before the amp via effects boards or pedals,and want only amplification. How it was explained to me was
    vacuum tubes produce warm even harmonics, while transistors produce harsher odd harmonics. Some of this is aged information or heresay,
    due to the changes over the years from germanium to silicon

    Tubes have a couple of differences to transistors in practical circuits. Firstly, for moderate power levels, tube power amplifiers are often "single ended", which has the second harmonic as its strongest harmonic. Transistorised amps, including MOSFETs are usually configured as a complementary pair, which tends to cancel out even harmonics. Not the best for musicians, who want those even harmonics. Tube aplifiers also almost aways have transformer coupled outputs, which are another source of distortion (for better or worse), due to their iron core. Modern (hi fi) amps are generally DC coupled to the speakers.

    transistors, and CMOS JFETS have been observed behaving harmonically similar to vacumm tubes. Even among basic bulk components such as op
    amps there are folks who swear one vendor's version of the same chip sounds way better even though their specs are slightly different.

    It also depends on the exact circuit design used.


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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Nightfox on Fri Sep 20 14:50:18 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to Jamestyree on Thu Sep 19 2019 10:16 am

    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Jamestyree to MRO on Thu Sep 19 2019 01:10 pm

    I agree. Most MP3's just don't sound as good. I have a few albums that FLAC files (supposedly "lossless recordings") that are supposed to soun as good as the original master recording. But I'll stick with my record :)

    FLAC is lossless in that it doesn't remove any data during compression, as o With MP3, some of the audio data (which many people are not likely to hear)

    I have a hard time believing that a lossless format such as FLAC can't sound ginal sound. Some people have argued that the standard CD sample rate isn't you're playing the music on. Record players and devices for playing FLAC/MP not have the best speakers, which can definitely reduce the sound quality.

    Nightfox


    I feel like I can hear the difference. Always did even back when cd's first came out. There are for sure better/higher quality formats now. But you get into streaming issues with the size differences. Satellite radio is one industry that streams low-quality. I don't know what format they use, but it sux.
    I bet there's a higher tier service you can pay for that is lossless or at least better. But it seems like im listening to a 128k mp3 when i listen to Sirius. When i flip to a CD or FM it's like night and day difference.

    So i canceled my subscription.


    FLAC is an excellent format.
    I won't rip songs to mp3 and I won't download music if its under 320kbps because like you said, you can notice it.

    Funny, audiophiles seem to swear by analog. I do too.
    There's a certain warmth, hum, ambience from recordings made pre-digital that give body to the songs you don't hear when you play their digital versions on the same equipment.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 15:52:31 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Fri Sep 20 2019 02:50 pm

    I feel like I can hear the difference. Always did even back when cd's first came out. There are for sure better/higher quality formats now. But you get into streaming issues with the size differences. Satellite radio is one industry that streams low-quality. I don't know what format they use, but it sux.
    I bet there's a higher tier service you can pay for that is lossless or at least better. But it seems like im listening to a 128k mp3 when i listen to Sirius. When i flip to a CD or FM it's like night and day difference.

    So i canceled my subscription.

    I stream music occasionally, but not a whole lot. Mostly I tend to play music from my own collection.

    FLAC is an excellent format.
    I won't rip songs to mp3 and I won't download music if its under 320kbps because like you said, you can notice it.

    I like to rip to FLAC, and I keep the FLAC files around, but I tend to convert to MP3 to play on my devices since the MP3s are smaller. I started using variable-bitrate MP3 (about 96kbit to 320) a few years ago. It sounds pretty good to me.

    Funny, audiophiles seem to swear by analog. I do too.
    There's a certain warmth, hum, ambience from recordings made pre-digital that give body to the songs you don't hear when you play their digital versions on the same equipment.

    One thing I think is funny is that some music (I thought most music these days) is recorded digitally for the master, so any analog copies (vinyl, etc.) would be based on a digital master. An early example is Dire Straits' album "Brothers In Arms", which was recorded digitally, but I've seen FLACs going around that were recorded from the vinyl. If something has a digital master recording, I doubt that creating a vinyl copy would make it sound better, and if it does sound better, I think that's a sign that the quality has more to do with the electronics of the player than the storage medium.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Sat Sep 21 00:43:00 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Fri Sep 20 2019 08:18 pm

    Tubes have a couple of differences to transistors in practical circuits. Firstly, for moderate power levels, tube power amplifiers are often "single ended", which has the second harmonic as its strongest harmonic. Transistorised amps, including MOSFETs are usually configured as a complementary pair, which tends to cancel out even harmonics. Not the best musicians, who want those even harmonics. Tube aplifiers also almost aways have transformer coupled outputs, which are another source of distortion (fo better or worse), due to their iron core. Modern (hi fi) amps are generally coupled to the speakers.

    transistors, and CMOS JFETS have been observed behaving harmonically similar to vacumm tubes. Even among basic bulk components such as op amps there are folks who swear one vendor's version of the same chip sounds way better even though their specs are slightly different.

    It also depends on the exact circuit design used.


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    Speaking of high end audio, I remember a challenge presented by the Amazing Randi to a maker of high end audio cables. He challenged them by saying even i self proclaimed and well established audiophiles would not be able to tell
    the[ difference between their high end cables and a set of Monster cables he picked up at Best Buy. The problem was none of these "audio experts" would suc bmit to a blind test because choosing the cheaper cable may ruin their reputations. I also recall Denon or a simialr company was trying to market a proprietary cable format to compete with HDMI, and they were charging $300
    for a 6 foot cable. The product reviewer needed a longer cable in order to perform his testing, so he asked a friend to figure out the wiring scheme.
    The "proprietary format" turned out the same pinout as a CAT 6 patch cable.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Sun Sep 22 09:37:00 2019
    On 09-21-19 00:43, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Speaking of high end audio, I remember a challenge presented by the Amazing Randi to a maker of high end audio cables. He challenged them
    by saying even i self proclaimed and well established audiophiles would not be able to tell the[ difference between their high end cables and a set of Monster cables he picked up at Best Buy. The problem was none

    Yeah, there was a lot of dodgy stuff going on with cables. The truth, AFAIK is as long as the impedance of the cable is low enough not to be significant, the cable should be audibly "transparent". Heavy enough elevtrical wire should do the trick.

    of these "audio experts" would suc bmit to a blind test because
    choosing the cheaper cable may ruin their reputations. I also recall Denon or a simialr company was trying to market a proprietary cable
    format to compete with HDMI, and they were charging $300 for a 6 foot cable. The product reviewer needed a longer cable in order to perform
    his testing, so he asked a friend to figure out the wiring scheme. The "proprietary format" turned out the same pinout as a CAT 6 patch cable.

    Hmm, a fool and their money.... ;)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 22 06:57:00 2019
    Vk3jed wrote to Moondog <=-

    format to compete with HDMI, and they were charging $300 for a 6 foot cable. The product reviewer needed a longer cable in order to perform
    his testing, so he asked a friend to figure out the wiring scheme. The "proprietary format" turned out the same pinout as a CAT 6 patch cable.

    Hmm, a fool and their money.... ;)

    The Denon "Digital Audio Interconnect" cable (3 foot cat6 cable) on
    Amazon for $499 got reviewers to pile onto it - it's an entertaining
    read if you can find it.



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  • From Jamestyree@VERT/AMSTRAD to Moondog on Sun Sep 22 15:30:36 2019
    Re: 3d printing
    By: Moondog to Jamestyree on Fri Sep 20 2019 12:58 am

    I have several older AC/DC albums, Nazareth, Eagles, Foriegner, Bob Seagar, Styx, plus some others I recovered that were older, like some Johnny Cash, Janis Joplin, Young Rascals, the Animals, and Rolling Stones. I think there's some Beatles stuff in the cabinet.

    Ah, Nazareth. The first concert that I ever attended was Nazareth's. I was still in middle school and my older brother took me. Talk about jaw dropping! I have two or three Johnny Cash albums. I didn't get into the more alternative sounding stuff until college after meeting my future wife. She grew up with MTV and had a lot more exposure than I had, growing up in Charleston WV.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 22 16:06:00 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Sun Sep 22 2019 09:37 am


    Yeah, there was a lot of dodgy stuff going on with cables. The truth, AFAIK as long as the impedance of the cable is low enough not to be significant, t cable should be audibly "transparent". Heavy enough elevtrical wire should the trick.

    The company making the claims would support their quality claims by showing loads of graphs depicting frequency reponse and attenutation, however Randi said that was immaterial since he wanted a human "expert"to tell them apart in a blind test, not an oscilloscope. They may have been better in the ways of materials and manufacturing, however the doubt was if their $500 cable was
    more noticeable than a $25 cable. The audio guy I worked with said price was no concern, since a guy spending $10k on a set of speakers isn't going to bother with nickle and diming over the price of a cable.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 23 11:08:00 2019
    On 09-22-19 06:57, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The Denon "Digital Audio Interconnect" cable (3 foot cat6 cable) on
    Amazon for $499 got reviewers to pile onto it - it's an entertaining
    read if you can find it.

    I bet, sounds good for a giggle! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 11:12:00 2019
    On 09-22-19 16:06, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The company making the claims would support their quality claims by showing loads of graphs depicting frequency reponse and attenutation, however Randi said that was immaterial since he wanted a human
    "expert"to tell them apart in a blind test, not an oscilloscope. They

    Well, the product is marketed for use by humans, so actual double blind listening tests makes the most sense.

    may have been better in the ways of materials and manufacturing,
    however the doubt was if their $500 cable was more noticeable than a
    $25 cable. The audio guy I worked with said price was no concern,
    since a guy spending $10k on a set of speakers isn't going to bother
    with nickle and diming over the price of a cable.

    Yes, I reckon they would easily sell them. Me? I have too much Scots in my ancestry. I'm prepared to spend money for quality, but I'd still pay $50-$100 for decent electrical cable (copper is still somewhat expensive) than wasting $500 on something of dubious benefit.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 23 10:09:58 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 22 2019 06:57 am

    The Denon "Digital Audio Interconnect" cable (3 foot cat6 cable) on
    Amazon for $499 got reviewers to pile onto it - it's an entertaining
    read if you can find it.

    Recently I was at a store and saw a cat5 ethernet cable in a package that said "streaming internet cable".

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Mon Sep 23 14:32:00 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Mon Sep 23 2019 11:12 am

    On 09-22-19 16:06, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The company making the claims would support their quality claims by showing loads of graphs depicting frequency reponse and attenutation, however Randi said that was immaterial since he wanted a human "expert"to tell them apart in a blind test, not an oscilloscope. They

    Well, the product is marketed for use by humans, so actual double blind listening tests makes the most sense.

    may have been better in the ways of materials and manufacturing, however the doubt was if their $500 cable was more noticeable than a $25 cable. The audio guy I worked with said price was no concern, since a guy spending $10k on a set of speakers isn't going to bother with nickle and diming over the price of a cable.

    Yes, I reckon they would easily sell them. Me? I have too much Scots in my ancestry. I'm prepared to spend money for quality, but I'd still pay $50-$1 for decent electrical cable (copper is still somewhat expensive) than wastin $500 on something of dubious benefit.


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    You pay extra for the fancy braided cable sheathing and direction arrows embossed in the connectors.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Mon Sep 23 21:52:00 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 23 2019 10:09 am

    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Sun Sep 22 2019 06:57 am

    The Denon "Digital Audio Interconnect" cable (3 foot cat6 cable) on Amazon for $499 got reviewers to pile onto it - it's an entertaining read if you can find it.

    Recently I was at a store and saw a cat5 ethernet cable in a package that sa

    Nightfox

    Makes sense. Not the most technical term, but close enough for a
    non-technical consumer.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Tue Sep 24 21:49:00 2019
    On 09-23-19 14:32, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You pay extra for the fancy braided cable sheathing and direction
    arrows embossed in the connectors.

    Not the sort of thing I'd pay extra for. ;)


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Tue Sep 24 11:59:00 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Tue Sep 24 2019 09:49 pm

    On 09-23-19 14:32, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You pay extra for the fancy braided cable sheathing and direction arrows embossed in the connectors.

    Not the sort of thing I'd pay extra for. ;)


    ... I don't do drugs. I get the same effect just standing up fast.
    Not my cup of tea either, but some dig all the extra bells and whistles

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Nightfox on Tue Sep 24 14:39:01 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 03:52 pm

    One thing I think is funny is that some music (I thought most music these da
    was recorded digitally, but I've seen FLACs going around that were recorded at the quality has more to do with the electronics of the player than the st

    I would agree with you on that.
    That is funny.


    Thanks,
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Wed Sep 25 12:51:00 2019
    On 09-24-19 11:59, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Not my cup of tea either, but some dig all the extra bells and whistles

    I'd rather pay for the stuff that does the actual work, and spend simply enough on cable able to offer a low enough impedance for best results.


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  • From Jamestyree@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Wed Sep 25 17:25:34 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 23 2019 10:09 am

    Recently I was at a store and saw a cat5 ethernet cable in a package that said "streaming internet cable".

    Nightfox

    It's sad, a whole new generation of lemmings are being raised with a level of abstraction that insulates them from what/how things communicate in the digital world. My daughter doesn't understand how some apps on her phone(if not all) could use data. She doesn't understand IP address and why they're needed.
    It's like we're evolving into the people in the movie, "Wall-E". All they know is that layer of abstraction and no comprehension of what lies below it. Just sad.

    James

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Jamestyree on Wed Sep 25 20:36:00 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Jamestyree to Nightfox on Wed Sep 25 2019 05:25 pm

    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 23 2019 10:09 am

    Recently I was at a store and saw a cat5 ethernet cable in a package that said "streaming internet cable".

    Nightfox

    It's sad, a whole new generation of lemmings are being raised with a level o abstraction that insulates them from what/how things communicate in the digi world. My daughter doesn't understand how some apps on her phone(if not all could use data. She doesn't understand IP address and why they're needed. It's like we're evolving into the people in the movie, "Wall-E". All they k is that layer of abstraction and no comprehension of what lies below it. Ju sad.

    James


    lol. 35 years ago I wrote a report in school on how computers will become as common an appliance as a TV or telephone, and even more when every gets access
    to a high speed data line. Teacher gave me B because I had a good imagination, but otherwise said the idea was ridiculous. Who would want to carry around a computer, let alone have more than one? No one would want one in their living room. I ran into him a couple of years ago, and all he had
    to say was, "yep. You were right."

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  • From Zombie Mambo@VERT/ZZONE to Moondog on Tue Oct 1 10:27:13 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Moondog to Jamestyree on Wed Sep 25 2019 08:36 pm

    It's sad, a whole new generation of lemmings are being raised with a leve abstraction that insulates them from what/how things communicate in the d world. My daughter doesn't understand how some apps on her phone(if not could use data. She doesn't understand IP address and why they're needed It's like we're evolving into the people in the movie, "Wall-E". All the is that layer of abstraction and no comprehension of what lies below it. sad.

    James


    lol. 35 years ago I wrote a report in school on how computers will become a common an appliance as a TV or telephone, and even more when every gets acce
    to a high speed data line. Teacher gave me B because I had a good imagination, but otherwise said the idea was ridiculous. Who would want to carry around a computer, let alone have more than one? No one would want on in their living room. I ran into him a couple of years ago, and all he had to say was, "yep. You were right."


    This reminds me of my youth... I tried to explain to my parents and uncles in 1982/1983 what a bbs was. How computers could connect and interact over the phone. What email was.

    My uncle, who is now a retired CPA and who was then a realtor sat in front of my TI and said "Tell it calculate a load amortization table" and I had to explain you can't just ask it to do things.

    He pulled out his calculater and showed me the formula.
    I wrote a program in basic in about 5 minutes and ran it.
    Same performance as calculater.

    "So why would i want a computer that big when I can carry a calculator".

    "because, at the office, the 15 agents can all have a terminal and run programs and never carry a calculator. They can also send emails to/from other agents all over the state without making phone calls". <--- I found out later that was the "MLS" system was already in place... and that most real estate offices had an official MLS modem/printer that would print everything out. No screen.

    I watched how they connected it, and figured out you could dial it with a computer and a terminal program as long as you knew your office's id/pwd.

    Suddenly, the broker and agents were "working from home"...

    today, these same people act like they are hip to the technology and of course all have smartphones and facebook accounts.

    they also still have fax machines. can't let go can they.

    I'm rambling.

    So many of us as mere children were imagining a future for computers where daily tasks were being not replaced, but augmented and made easier.

    Today's kids are crying about global warming and the fact that Forever 21 is going out of business because Trump is evil.


    Thanks,
    Zombie Mambo

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  • From Nitewaves@VERT/CAVEBBS to Jamestyree on Wed Oct 2 05:18:00 2019
    Re: Re: 3d printing
    By: Jamestyree to Nightfox on Wed Sep 25 2019 05:25 pm

    It's sad, a whole new generation of lemmings are being raised with a level o abstraction that insulates them from what/how things communicate in the digi world. My daughter doesn't understand how some apps on her phone(if not all could use data. She doesn't understand IP address and why they're needed. It's like we're evolving into the people in the movie, "Wall-E". All they k is that layer of abstraction and no comprehension of what lies below it. Ju sad.

    James


    James, I'm sorry, but it's always been that way and it's absolutely ridiculous to expect otherwise. We geeks live in a bubble that's tinier than we'd like
    to admit, made full with our obsessive drive to understand minutae. We are fools to expect that from other people, especially end users that just want
    the damn technology to work. And I wouldn't have it any other way -- call it job security.

    And these same people we could easily criticize for not knowing tcp/ip and 802.11 will surprise you with skills, talents, insights, and hobbies most
    geeks wouldn't imagine.

    Lighten up. ;)



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nitewaves on Fri Oct 4 14:52:00 2019
    On 10-02-19 05:18, Nitewaves wrote to Jamestyree <=-

    James, I'm sorry, but it's always been that way and it's absolutely ridiculous to expect otherwise. We geeks live in a bubble that's tinier than we'd like to admit, made full with our obsessive drive to
    understand minutae. We are fools to expect that from other people, especially end users that just want the damn technology to work. And I wouldn't have it any other way -- call it job security.

    Yes, everyone has their niche of knowledge, and when you spend your time soley within that bubble, it's easy to lose perspective.

    And these same people we could easily criticize for not knowing tcp/ip
    and 802.11 will surprise you with skills, talents, insights, and
    hobbies most geeks wouldn't imagine.

    True. I have my feet in a few camps. I'm definitely a tech geek, and know my way around networks and related things. However, I'm also a Masters athlete, and that comes with its own level of jargon, technical stuff, measurements and metrics, processes, procedures and culture, every bit as intricate as IT. :)


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