• fucking chinese balloon

    From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 5 11:09:00 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Feb 04 2023 10:54 am

    they've had skyhook since the 1950s. they couldn't grapple the thing and t into a cargo plane?

    They were saying on the news that it was too high for an airplane to fly. Some have suggested they could hit it with smaller munitions so that it would fall slowly rather than crash, but to be accurate they probably have to be fired from near-range.

    But, yeah, I have wondered, just as I have wondered why they didn't shoot
    it down while it was over uninhabited areas of Montana or the Dakotas.
    Last I heard, it was too late now... it is over areas with denser populations.


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    It's been shot down now. The balloon probably had parachutes like a weather balloon would (even thought it isn't )

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 5 18:04:00 2023
    But, yeah, I have wondered, just as I have wondered why they didn't shoot it down while it was over uninhabited areas of Montana or the Dakotas. Last I heard, it was too late now... it is over areas with denser populations.

    It's been shot down now. The balloon probably had parachutes like a weather balloon would (even thought it isn't )

    After it had already finished crossing the US. If the intent were to stop
    it transmitting data back to base, you'd not wait until it was finished
    with its fly-over.

    Now, if it was just to shoot it down to say you shot it down and to impress John Q. Public, that plan might work.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Mon Feb 6 16:22:00 2023
    the chinese must have been pissing their pants laughing at us.
    This shit wouldn't have happened with trump.

    The media is rpeorting that several of these incidents occurred
    during Trumps' reign - as if to suggest that the same type of
    thing didn't occur during any other president's reign. Instead,
    this type of incident is probably very common, except that the
    military doesn't make it public front-page news to the average
    citizen.

    I heard that, but then I also heard the source of that "it happened then"
    info had to walk it back.

    I do agree that we likely are not alerted to it, and only were this time because citizens saw it.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon Feb 6 17:54:00 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 05 2023 06:04 pm

    But, yeah, I have wondered, just as I have wondered why they didn't sho it down while it was over uninhabited areas of Montana or the Dakotas. Last I heard, it was too late now... it is over areas with denser populations.

    It's been shot down now. The balloon probably had parachutes like a weath balloon would (even thought it isn't )

    After it had already finished crossing the US. If the intent were to stop it transmitting data back to base, you'd not wait until it was finished
    with its fly-over.

    Now, if it was just to shoot it down to say you shot it down and to impress John Q. Public, that plan might work.


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    They wanted to listen and learn from the balloon. That is why they waited so long. All of it's tranmissions were intercepted.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Moondog on Tue Feb 7 18:10:34 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:48 pm

    The equipment under the ballon broadcast radio frequencies. I'm not an RF guy but if a signal is broadcast, it can be picked up. Agencies such as the CIA and NSA could scan the entire RF spectrum and detect what is being broadcast.

    This is true, it's not that difficult to figure out what frequency something is broadcasting on if you know its actual location, and its intended destination (satellites, probably).

    The CIA has the crypto abilities to crack any encryption

    Right, and the president has a direct line to the military that guards the giant ice wall at the edge of the ---

    wait, you're being serious, aren't you?

    HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH

    No, the CIA does not have the ability to crack "any encryption".

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Moondog on Tue Feb 7 18:18:26 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:48 pm

    The CIA has the crypto abilities to crack any encryption

    Any time something foreign comes close to the US, the CIA is going to want to analyze how it works and what it reports back. During the cold war the Soviets would tail the US fleets with fishing trawlers covered in antennas. The US knew they were tailing them, and listened to anything they broadcasted. While the ballon is in the air, the CIA had the ability to liste n to it.

    Oh yeah, and I forgot one other thing -

    The CIA isn't authorized to operate independently on US soil. It would likely be the FBI, or US military that was "listening in"

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to DUMAS WALKER on Tue Feb 7 22:54:00 2023
    Quoting Dumas Walker to Mro <=-

    plane. I don't trust them, but I am sure even they know the difference between an unmanned balloon and a plane full of passengers when it
    comes to world opinion.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to MOONDOG on Tue Feb 7 22:56:00 2023
    Quoting Moondog to Dumas Walker <=-

    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 05 2023 06:04 pm

    They wanted to listen and learn from the balloon. That is why they
    waited so long. All of it's tranmissions were intercepted.

    Ever the optimist! :)

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to DAITENGU on Tue Feb 7 23:01:00 2023
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    No, the CIA does not have the ability to crack "any encryption".

    Wait, you mean we've been lied to? It makes me question everything
    we've heard or read...

    Hah!

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Cougar428 on Wed Feb 8 08:38:04 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Cougar428 to DAITENGU on Tue Feb 07 2023 11:01 pm

    No, the CIA does not have the ability to crack "any encryption".

    Wait, you mean we've been lied to? It makes me question everything
    we've heard or read...

    Hah!

    who told you the CIA could crack any encryption? the CIA/FBI/etc. certainly wouldn't make that claim.

    Heck, even if they COULD crack some kind of popular encryption, they'd probably keep themselves extremely tight-lipped about it so that people didn't move to something they couldn't exploit.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 8 13:12:21 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Feb 08 2023 08:35 am

    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: MRO to DaiTengu on Tue Feb 07 2023 10:24 pm

    i'm pretty sure most decryption they do now is via backdoors in the protocols that they are given by the developers.

    the vast majority of encryption protocols in use these days are open source

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    I am more concerned for software/hardware backdoors than cipher flaws at this point.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 8 14:24:00 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: DaiTengu to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:10 pm

    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:48 pm

    The equipment under the ballon broadcast radio frequencies. I'm not an guy but if a signal is broadcast, it can be picked up. Agencies such as the CIA and NSA could scan the entire RF spectrum and detect what is be broadcast.

    This is true, it's not that difficult to figure out what frequency somethi

    The CIA has the crypto abilities to crack any encryption

    Right, and the president has a direct line to the military that guards the

    wait, you're being serious, aren't you?

    HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH

    No, the CIA does not have the ability to crack "any encryption".

    DaiTengu

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    They CIA can't decrypt any encryption real time, but they can crack whatever China is using within a matter of days. once a signal is recorded, you an
    run through it several times

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to DaiTengu on Wed Feb 8 14:32:00 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: DaiTengu to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:18 pm

    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 07 2023 02:48 pm

    The CIA has the crypto abilities to crack any encryption

    Any time something foreign comes close to the US, the CIA is going to w to analyze how it works and what it reports back. During the cold war t Soviets would tail the US fleets with fishing trawlers covered in antennas. The US knew they were tailing them, and listened to anything they broadcasted. While the ballon is in the air, the CIA had the abili to liste n to it.

    Oh yeah, and I forgot one other thing -

    The CIA isn't authorized to operate independently on US soil. It would lik

    DaiTengu

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    The ballon wasn't on US soil. It was 12.5 miles above the US. It is communication with peopel outside the US, so it would CIA and NSA territory (outside the US and foriegn tranmissions.)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Cougar428 on Wed Feb 8 14:36:00 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Tue Feb 07 2023 10:56 pm

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    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 05 2023 06:04 pm

    They wanted to listen and learn from the balloon. That is why they waited so long. All of it's tranmissions were intercepted.

    Ever the optimist! :)

    Military intelligence...

    Cougar

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    There was no reason to drag ass so long and not shoot it down unless you want to observe or listen in on it.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT to DAITENGU on Thu Feb 9 08:36:00 2023
    Quoting Daitengu to Cougar428 <=-

    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Cougar428 to DAITENGU on Tue Feb 07 2023 11:01 pm

    No, the CIA does not have the ability to crack "any encryption".

    Wait, you mean we've been lied to? It makes me question everything
    we've heard or read...

    Hah!

    who told you the CIA could crack any encryption? the CIA/FBI/etc. certainly wouldn't make that claim.

    I'm sure you realize I was kidding, it seemed in line with your
    reply...

    Heck, even if they COULD crack some kind of popular encryption, they'd probably keep themselves extremely tight-lipped about it so that
    people didn't move to something they couldn't exploit.

    Agreed. Intelligent way of handling things.

    Cougar


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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to DaiTengu on Fri Feb 10 15:55:06 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Feb 08 2023 08:35 am

    the vast majority of encryption
    protocols in use these days are open
    source, so a backdoor would have bee
    spotted a long, long time ago.

    Most of that stuff these days uses
    pubilc/private key pairs. You very much
    could make an algorithm with a "master
    key" that is undetectable just looking
    at the code.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/PHARCYDE to Cougar428 on Fri Feb 10 20:49:04 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: DaiTengu to Cougar428 on Wed Feb 08 2023 08:38 am

    who told you the CIA could crack any encryption? the CIA/FBI/etc. certainly wouldn't make that claim.

    Yeah..WHO???

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Phigan on Sat Feb 11 08:41:00 2023
    Hello Phigan!

    ** On Friday 10.02.23 - 15:55, Phigan wrote to DaiTengu:

    the vast majority of encryption
    protocols in use these days are open
    source, so a backdoor would have bee
    spotted a long, long time ago.

    Most of that stuff these days uses
    pubilc/private key pairs. You very much
    could make an algorithm with a "master
    key" that is undetectable just looking
    at the code.

    But I would imaging that it is hard to hide the functionality
    of "master key" in open-source code.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sun Feb 12 10:09:58 2023
    Re: Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Feb 12 2023 09:09 am

    But I would imaging that it is hard to hide the functionality
    of "master key" in open-source code.

    dude, opensource has been a security risk since it's been open
    source.

    Years ago, I was looking for a job and I had a job interview at one company where the interviewer asked what I thought about Linux. I've always had a mostly positive view of Linux. He said he thought Linux was basically inherently something you couldn't trust because, since it's open-source, he thought anyone could go in and put malware in it. And he said he trusted Windows more because Windows is made by a small group of people who are paid to develop it, so they have a vested interest in making sure it works well and is secure.

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  • From John Guillory@VERT/MAINLINE to Nightfox on Sun Feb 12 14:16:00 2023
    dude, opensource has been a security risk since it's been open
    source.
    it's open-source, he thought anyone could go in and put malware in it. And he said he trusted Windows more because Windows is made by a small group of people who are paid to develop it, so they have a vested
    interest in making sure it works well and is secure.
    ok, you guys think its so easy to upload a virus to a linux distro,
    then go ahead and upload one...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sun Feb 12 14:39:33 2023
    Re: Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:09 am

    dude, opensource has been a security risk since it's been open
    source.

    Years ago, I was looking for a job and I had a job interview at one company where the interviewer asked what I thought about Linux. I've always had a mostly positive view of Linux. He said he thought Linux was basically inherently something you couldn't trust because, since it's open-source, he thought anyone could go in and put malware in it.

    He probably read that in DATAMATION magazine, had his gal clip the article and sent it through interoffice mail to his managers.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sun Feb 12 17:33:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Feb 12 2023 09:09 am

    But I would imaging that it is hard to hide the functionality
    of "master key" in open-source code.

    dude, opensource has been a security risk since it's been open
    source.

    Years ago, I was looking for a job and I had a job interview at
    one company where the interviewer asked what I thought about
    Linux. I've always had a mostly positive view of Linux. He said
    he thought Linux was basically inherently something you couldn't
    trust because, since it's open-source, he thought anyone could go
    in and put malware in it. And he said he trusted Windows more
    because Windows is made by a small group of people who are paid
    to develop it, so they have a vested interest in making sure it
    works well and is secure.

    <GRIN>

    I'm thinking (hoping?) that maybe you didn't take that job... ;-)



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to John Guillory on Sun Feb 12 18:12:43 2023
    Re: Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: John Guillory to Nightfox on Sun Feb 12 2023 02:16 pm

    dude, opensource has been a security risk since it's been open
    source.

    it's open-source, he thought anyone could go in and put malware in
    it. And he said he trusted Windows more because Windows is made by a
    small group of people who are paid to develop it, so they have a
    vested interest in making sure it works well and is secure.

    ok, you guys think its so easy to upload a virus to a linux distro,
    then go ahead and upload one...

    I wasn't saying it was - I was talking about someone who interviewed me for a job once. I disagree with that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sun Feb 12 18:17:51 2023
    Re: Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Sun Feb 12 2023 05:33 pm

    Years ago, I was looking for a job and I had a job interview at
    one company where the interviewer asked what I thought about
    Linux. I've always had a mostly positive view of Linux. He said
    he thought Linux was basically inherently something you couldn't
    trust because, since it's open-source, he thought anyone could go
    in and put malware in it. And he said he trusted Windows more
    because Windows is made by a small group of people who are paid
    to develop it, so they have a vested interest in making sure it
    works well and is secure.

    <GRIN>

    I'm thinking (hoping?) that maybe you didn't take that job... ;-)

    From what I remember, I wasn't chosen for a job offer from them.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Mon Feb 13 07:59:07 2023
    Re: Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:09 am

    dude, opensource has been a security risk since it's been open
    source.

    Years ago, I was looking for a job and I had a job interview at one company where the interviewer asked what I thought about Linux. I've always had a mostly positive view of Linux. He said he thought Linux was basically inherently something you couldn't trust because, since it's open-source, he thought anyone could go in and put malware in it. And he said he trusted Windows more because Windows is made by a small group of people who are paid to develop it, so they have a vested interest in making sure it works well and is secure.

    It turns out, MRO was that interviewer.

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Ogg on Tue Feb 14 16:34:41 2023
    Re: fucking chinese balloon
    By: Ogg to Phigan on Sat Feb 11 2023 08:41 am

    But I would imaging that it is hard
    hide the functionality
    of "master key" in open-source code.

    There's nothing to hide. With a master
    key, it would just act as the correct
    private key.

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