Is this bad news for my hdd?

https://susepaste.org/90068115

That is the result on my T60 currently operating XP, and I luv
it.

I have been contemplating upgrading to SSD and at least 500GB
to 1TB.



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Re: bad news for hdd?
By: Ogg to All on Fri Dec 30 2022 10:43 pm

Is this bad news for my hdd?

https://susepaste.org/90068115

Unless you are doing something really critical with that drive, I would keep running it until you got an actual error :-)

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Unless you are doing something really critical with that drive, I would keep running it until you got an actual error :-)

But "Current Pending Sector Count" seems to be critical:

"Current Pending Sector Count is a critical S.M.A.R.T. (Self-
Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology) indication. The
respective parameter shows the number of unstable sectors on
the disk drive that are yet to be remapped or reallocated. In
simple words, this parameter indicates the number of bad
sectors on your storage drive. If you see this parameter the
first thing you should be doing is backup your important data
or recover your valuable data.

"Warning: Once you see this parameter popping up in any
benchmark software, keep your storage drive activity to a
minimum. Additionally, if this parameter is with respect to
primary storage drive (the storage with the operating system
installed) immediately backup your entire drive using backup
utility or change the primary storage drive for good.

Not sure why the 200 in max and 200 in current are the same.
Coincidence? I never really paid attention to SMART reports
and I didn't have the program that reports that early in my
ownership of the laptop.

Anyway.. this the unstable sectors are the culprits that
contribute to XP failing to do a graceful Shutdown or Restart -
it just stalls.


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Re: bad news for hdd?
By: Ogg to Arelor on Sat Dec 31 2022 10:04 pm

But "Current Pending Sector Count" seems to be critical:

The fact the drive has ran out of remappable sectors is bad but not apocaliptic.

You could run for a good while with that error in the logs and it would take a good while for an unrecoverable read error to hit an actual file in the drive. Make no mistake: an unrecoverable read error WILL hit some file of yours if you use a drive with pending sectors for any respectable length of time. The real question is how much the files in that drive matter to you. If they matter, switch the drive now. If not, take not much of a hurry.


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Re: bad news for hdd?
By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Jan 01 2023 09:53 am

well i think current pending sector count means it's becoming unstable.

I concur. The "200" number looks ominous.

That "200" is for internal use. It does not mean you have 200 damaged sectors.

SMART values usually act like a countdown. They start at a healthy hight number and go lower as errors are logged.


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Is this bad news for my hdd?

Hi there OGG, I would definately pick up a replacement drive and if you
can, clone it before it's done. Just to be on the safe side...

I have been contemplating upgrading to SSD and at least 500GB
to 1TB.

I don't think XP will benefit much from a SSD, XP doesn't really take
advantage of the faster drive technology (IMO). I tried puttinig one
into my XP system, but swapped it out for a 7200rpm drive instead.

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Hello Cougar428!

** On Tuesday 03.01.23 - 08:49, Cougar428 wrote to OGG:

I don't think XP will benefit much from a SSD, XP doesn't really take advantage of the faster drive technology (IMO). I tried puttinig one
into my XP system, but swapped it out for a 7200rpm drive instead.

I've seen several comparison videos of even older Thinkpads
equipped with SSDs, and the performance/response times are
significantly faster. I was intrigued with T40's being fitted
with SDDs successfully. The T40 is only PATA as well! But
with either the right SATA/PATA adapter or just an SSD model
with PATA, provided a nice upgrade just the same.






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I don't think XP will benefit much from a SSD, XP doesn't really take advantage of the faster drive technology (IMO). I tried puttinig one into my XP system, but swapped it out for a 7200rpm drive instead.

I've seen several comparison videos of even older Thinkpads
equipped with SSDs, and the performance/response times are
significantly faster.

You could be correct on that with your hardware. When I tried this it
was on a Dell desktop that had a 7200rpm HDD and I noted a faster boot
up time, but no other significant speed up. This was my experience, and
at the time buying an SSD was pretty pricey. Just seemed like it would
be put to better use on a Windows 7 machine.

Not saying you should not do this, just noting my experience when I did
it.

Sounds like a nice machine though!

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Ogg wrote to Cougar428 <=-

I've seen several comparison videos of even older Thinkpads
equipped with SSDs, and the performance/response times are
significantly faster. I was intrigued with T40's being fitted
with SDDs successfully. The T40 is only PATA as well! But
with either the right SATA/PATA adapter or just an SSD model
with PATA, provided a nice upgrade just the same.

There are PATA SSDs available, I had a 128GB PATA SSD in my T42 and used
it way beyond its normal useful life. The speed increase made it usable
for most everything except full-screen video, which was a little choppy.



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Cougar428 wrote to OGG <=-

You could be correct on that with your hardware. When I tried this it
was on a Dell desktop that had a 7200rpm HDD and I noted a faster boot
up time, but no other significant speed up. This was my experience, and
at the time buying an SSD was pretty pricey. Just seemed like it would
be put to better use on a Windows 7 machine.

Another option is a hybrid SATA drive - they're relatively fast SATA
drives with 4-8GB of cache stuck to the side. Boot up time is
SATA-speed, but once it boots up it starts filling the cache and app
times decrease significantly once they're read from the cache. I used
them a lot when upgrading systems and SSDs were expensive.



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with SDDs successfully. The T40 is only PATA as well! But
with either the right SATA/PATA adapter or just an SSD model
with PATA, provided a nice upgrade just the same.

There are PATA SSDs available, I had a 128GB PATA SSD in my T42 and used it way beyond its normal useful life. The speed increase made it usable for most everything except full-screen video, which was a little choppy.

Full-screen video choppy with SSD on PATA, not surprising
actually. That wouldn't have even occurred to me. I don't
really need video performance on the T40p anyway.

Although I'd love to revitalize my T40p with an SSD, it too
needs a new fan, although I can bypass the no-boot lockup by
pre-spinning the fan before I press turn on the pc, for now.
The T40p has some tools and programs I'd love to revisit. I
wouldn't mind having it hooked up to the local network and even
control it by vnc for convenience.

I was forced to change the CPU fan in my T60 a couple years
ago. The pc refused to boot otherwise. It was a frustrating
experience - and I was left with ONE SCREW that didn't seem to
fit properly anywhere! - and I thought I was very careful
where each screw came from.

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