• bad news for hdd?

    From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to All on Fri Dec 30 22:43:00 2022
    Is this bad news for my hdd?

    https://susepaste.org/90068115

    That is the result on my T60 currently operating XP, and I luv
    it.

    I have been contemplating upgrading to SSD and at least 500GB
    to 1TB.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sat Dec 31 06:51:24 2022
    Re: bad news for hdd?
    By: Ogg to All on Fri Dec 30 2022 10:43 pm

    Is this bad news for my hdd?

    https://susepaste.org/90068115

    Unless you are doing something really critical with that drive, I would keep running it until you got an actual error :-)

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sat Dec 31 22:04:00 2022
    Unless you are doing something really critical with that drive, I would keep running it until you got an actual error :-)

    But "Current Pending Sector Count" seems to be critical:

    "Current Pending Sector Count is a critical S.M.A.R.T. (Self-
    Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology) indication. The
    respective parameter shows the number of unstable sectors on
    the disk drive that are yet to be remapped or reallocated. In
    simple words, this parameter indicates the number of bad
    sectors on your storage drive. If you see this parameter the
    first thing you should be doing is backup your important data
    or recover your valuable data.

    "Warning: Once you see this parameter popping up in any
    benchmark software, keep your storage drive activity to a
    minimum. Additionally, if this parameter is with respect to
    primary storage drive (the storage with the operating system
    installed) immediately backup your entire drive using backup
    utility or change the primary storage drive for good.

    Not sure why the 200 in max and 200 in current are the same.
    Coincidence? I never really paid attention to SMART reports
    and I didn't have the program that reports that early in my
    ownership of the laptop.

    Anyway.. this the unstable sectors are the culprits that
    contribute to XP failing to do a graceful Shutdown or Restart -
    it just stalls.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sun Jan 1 16:23:19 2023
    Re: bad news for hdd?
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sat Dec 31 2022 10:04 pm

    But "Current Pending Sector Count" seems to be critical:

    The fact the drive has ran out of remappable sectors is bad but not apocaliptic.

    You could run for a good while with that error in the logs and it would take a good while for an unrecoverable read error to hit an actual file in the drive. Make no mistake: an unrecoverable read error WILL hit some file of yours if you use a drive with pending sectors for any respectable length of time. The real question is how much the files in that drive matter to you. If they matter, switch the drive now. If not, take not much of a hurry.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Sun Jan 1 16:26:06 2023
    Re: bad news for hdd?
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Jan 01 2023 09:53 am

    well i think current pending sector count means it's becoming unstable.

    I concur. The "200" number looks ominous.

    That "200" is for internal use. It does not mean you have 200 damaged sectors.

    SMART values usually act like a countdown. They start at a healthy hight number and go lower as errors are logged.


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  • From Cougar428@VERT to OGG on Tue Jan 3 08:49:00 2023
    Is this bad news for my hdd?

    Hi there OGG, I would definately pick up a replacement drive and if you
    can, clone it before it's done. Just to be on the safe side...

    I have been contemplating upgrading to SSD and at least 500GB
    to 1TB.

    I don't think XP will benefit much from a SSD, XP doesn't really take
    advantage of the faster drive technology (IMO). I tried puttinig one
    into my XP system, but swapped it out for a 7200rpm drive instead.

    Cougar
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Cougar428 on Tue Jan 3 23:30:00 2023
    Hello Cougar428!

    ** On Tuesday 03.01.23 - 08:49, Cougar428 wrote to OGG:

    I don't think XP will benefit much from a SSD, XP doesn't really take advantage of the faster drive technology (IMO). I tried puttinig one
    into my XP system, but swapped it out for a 7200rpm drive instead.

    I've seen several comparison videos of even older Thinkpads
    equipped with SSDs, and the performance/response times are
    significantly faster. I was intrigued with T40's being fitted
    with SDDs successfully. The T40 is only PATA as well! But
    with either the right SATA/PATA adapter or just an SSD model
    with PATA, provided a nice upgrade just the same.






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  • From Cougar428@VERT to OGG on Wed Jan 4 09:08:00 2023
    I don't think XP will benefit much from a SSD, XP doesn't really take advantage of the faster drive technology (IMO). I tried puttinig one into my XP system, but swapped it out for a 7200rpm drive instead.

    I've seen several comparison videos of even older Thinkpads
    equipped with SSDs, and the performance/response times are
    significantly faster.

    You could be correct on that with your hardware. When I tried this it
    was on a Dell desktop that had a 7200rpm HDD and I noted a faster boot
    up time, but no other significant speed up. This was my experience, and
    at the time buying an SSD was pretty pricey. Just seemed like it would
    be put to better use on a Windows 7 machine.

    Not saying you should not do this, just noting my experience when I did
    it.

    Sounds like a nice machine though!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Thu Jan 5 06:21:00 2023
    Ogg wrote to Cougar428 <=-

    I've seen several comparison videos of even older Thinkpads
    equipped with SSDs, and the performance/response times are
    significantly faster. I was intrigued with T40's being fitted
    with SDDs successfully. The T40 is only PATA as well! But
    with either the right SATA/PATA adapter or just an SSD model
    with PATA, provided a nice upgrade just the same.

    There are PATA SSDs available, I had a 128GB PATA SSD in my T42 and used
    it way beyond its normal useful life. The speed increase made it usable
    for most everything except full-screen video, which was a little choppy.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Cougar428 on Thu Jan 5 06:24:00 2023
    Cougar428 wrote to OGG <=-

    You could be correct on that with your hardware. When I tried this it
    was on a Dell desktop that had a 7200rpm HDD and I noted a faster boot
    up time, but no other significant speed up. This was my experience, and
    at the time buying an SSD was pretty pricey. Just seemed like it would
    be put to better use on a Windows 7 machine.

    Another option is a hybrid SATA drive - they're relatively fast SATA
    drives with 4-8GB of cache stuck to the side. Boot up time is
    SATA-speed, but once it boots up it starts filling the cache and app
    times decrease significantly once they're read from the cache. I used
    them a lot when upgrading systems and SSDs were expensive.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 8 09:07:00 2023
    with SDDs successfully. The T40 is only PATA as well! But
    with either the right SATA/PATA adapter or just an SSD model
    with PATA, provided a nice upgrade just the same.

    There are PATA SSDs available, I had a 128GB PATA SSD in my T42 and used it way beyond its normal useful life. The speed increase made it usable for most everything except full-screen video, which was a little choppy.

    Full-screen video choppy with SSD on PATA, not surprising
    actually. That wouldn't have even occurred to me. I don't
    really need video performance on the T40p anyway.

    Although I'd love to revitalize my T40p with an SSD, it too
    needs a new fan, although I can bypass the no-boot lockup by
    pre-spinning the fan before I press turn on the pc, for now.
    The T40p has some tools and programs I'd love to revisit. I
    wouldn't mind having it hooked up to the local network and even
    control it by vnc for convenience.

    I was forced to change the CPU fan in my T60 a couple years
    ago. The pc refused to boot otherwise. It was a frustrating
    experience - and I was left with ONE SCREW that didn't seem to
    fit properly anywhere! - and I thought I was very careful
    where each screw came from.

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