• What are you reading.

    From knightwise@VERT/BEERS20 to All on Fri Jun 17 10:51:00 2022
    So: What books are you reading right now. (+ are you doing it digitally or on paper)

    me:
    For stretching my brain: "The elephant in the Universe" by Govert Schilling (a book about dark matter in our universe)

    For relaxing: "The Hynek Ufo Report": Alan Hynek's view on 'Project Blue book' that investigated UFO sightings in the 60's

    both books can be found electronically at b-ok.xyz


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  • From cj@VERT/CJSPLACE to knightwise on Sat Jun 18 20:18:20 2022
    Re: What are you reading.
    By: knightwise to All on Fri Jun 17 2022 10:51 am

    So: What books are you reading right now. (+ are you doing it digitally or on paper)

    Caliban's War by James S.A. Corey, part of The Expanse series. Watched the series on Amazon, now reading the books....well, listening to the books. :)

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  • From knightwise@VERT/BEERS20 to cj on Sat Jun 18 23:06:00 2022
    Those are awesome awesome books. When you get through all of them you will appreciate the show even more. Its great writing and worldbuilding. I love the entire series (Read some on paper and some on my Kindle). Factastic hard-scifi. If you like it , also take a look at seveneves by Neal Stephenson.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@VERT/SYNCNIX to knightwise on Sun Jun 19 09:47:00 2022
    knightwise wrote to All <=-

    So: What books are you reading right now. (+ are you doing it digitally
    or on paper)

    Paradoxes and Dragons, Vol 2 - Joseph Lallo. Just some short, some incomplete, stories that seem interesting. Most of his other series are very entertaining.

    Draw Straight by Louis L'Amour - I've been very interested in westerns over the last few years. William Johnstone and Charles Alden Seltzer have been really good too.

    For work: Tackling Complexity in the Heart of Software by Eric Evans. Not as helpful as I had hoped. But we are doing a book club on this one.

    Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics - by many doctors. Just started on this one.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to knightwise on Sun Jun 19 17:37:00 2022
    knightwise wrote to All <=-

    So: What books are you reading right now. (+ are you doing it digitally
    or on paper)

    I just finished "The Every", by Dave Eggers, the sequel to "The Circle".


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  • From bex@VERT/AMIGAC to knightwise on Sun Jul 3 16:32:00 2022
    knightwise wrote to All <=-

    So: What books are you reading right now. (+ are you doing it digitally
    or on paper)

    I have books spread out all over, eBooks, audiobooks, physical books... The ones I am paying most attention to are Cory Doctorow's "Attack Surface" and "Framed" b S. L. McInnis.





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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to bex on Sun Jul 3 19:39:24 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: bex to knightwise on Sun Jul 03 2022 04:32 pm

    I have books spread out all over, eBooks, audiobooks, physical books... The ones I am paying most attention to are Cory Doctorow's "Attack Surface" and

    cory used to call bbses years ago.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Sun Jul 3 19:47:23 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: MRO to bex on Sun Jul 03 2022 07:39 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: bex to knightwise on Sun Jul 03 2022 04:32 pm

    I have books spread out all over, eBooks, audiobooks, physical books... The ones I am paying most attention to are Cory Doctorow's "Attack Surface" and

    cory used to call bbses years ago.

    We had user/sysop with the alias "Dr Corey" for many years. Is that who you're thinking of?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Mon Jul 4 00:22:16 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 03 2022 07:47 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: MRO to bex on Sun Jul 03 2022 07:39 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: bex to knightwise on Sun Jul 03 2022 04:32 pm

    I have books spread out all over, eBooks, audiobooks, physical books... The ones I am paying most attention to are Cory Doctorow's "Attack Surface" and

    cory used to call bbses years ago.

    We had user/sysop with the alias "Dr Corey" for many years. Is that who you're thinking of?

    no it's this guy https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/725346394626789376
    he got back into calling bbses for a while and he called mine and a few others. He used to call bbses years ago and wrote a bunch of articles about it.

    I think he called our bbses like over 10 years ago.
    i don't think he did much other than look around for a minute.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to bex on Mon Jul 4 09:30:00 2022
    bex wrote to knightwise <=-

    I have books spread out all over, eBooks, audiobooks, physical books... The ones I am paying most attention to are Cory Doctorow's "Attack Surface" and "Framed" b S. L. McInnis.

    I love physical books but love reading on a Kindle. Does anyone else buy the physical book then find a pdf or ebook format to read it on?


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to knightwise on Tue Jul 5 22:33:00 2022
    Hello knightwise!

    ** On Friday 17.06.22 - 10:51, knightwise wrote to All:

    So: What books are you reading right now. (+ are you doing it digitally or on paper)

    me:
    For stretching my brain: "The elephant in the Universe"..
    For relaxing: "The Hynek Ufo Report": ..

    both books can be found electronically at b-ok.xyz

    I know it as z-lib.org, aka. ca1lib.org ..and excellent
    resource.



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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to knightwise on Tue Jul 5 23:09:00 2022
    Hello knightwise!

    ** On Friday 17.06.22 - 10:51, knightwise wrote to All:

    So: What books are you reading right now. (+ are you doing it digitally or on paper)

    Most recently: Nightmare Alley, by William Lindsay Gresham.

    Others in the queue at various times that suit me:

    - Gentleman in Moscow
    - A Boy And His Dog At The End Of The World
    - Shantaram

    I flip between electronic (ePub) and physical book.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 5 23:58:00 2022
    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    ** On Monday 04.07.22 - 09:30, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to bex:

    I love physical books but love reading on a Kindle. Does anyone else buy the physical book then find a pdf or ebook format to read it on?


    I will flip between the physical and the ePub. I like the ePub
    when I need to look up something that I want to retell. I like
    the physical book to "enjoy" the book as it is meant to be.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 6 18:47:15 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to bex on Mon Jul 04 2022 09:30 am

    I have books spread out all over, eBooks, audiobooks, physical books... The ones I am paying most attention to are Cory Doctorow's "Attack Surface" and "Framed" b S. L. McInnis.

    I love physical books but love reading on a Kindle. Does anyone else buy the physical book then find a pdf or ebook format to read it on?

    Only use physical books. Online reading is reserved for what is originally online, such as articles, web sites. The tactile experience of a book can't be beat, and I'm wary of owning things on devices where companies can play funny buggers and withdraw your book, or control things in anyway.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@VERT/SYNCNIX to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 6 08:38:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to bex <=-

    I love physical books but love reading on a Kindle. Does anyone else
    buy the physical book then find a pdf or ebook format to read it on?

    For me, it's usually the other way around. I'll acquire the eBook in some way and if I find it worthwhile, I'll get the paper book to make sure that the author is compensated.


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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 7 14:26:46 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to bex on Mon Jul 04 2022 09:30 am

    I love physical books but love reading on a Kindle. Does anyone else buy the physical book then find a pdf or ebook format to read it on?

    I have only purchased a handful of physical books since I moved over to the Kindle back in 2016. I ended up signing up to Audible and forgot about the subscription so I now have around 8 audio books to listen through.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Wed Jul 6 07:48:00 2022
    Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Only use physical books. Online reading is reserved for what is originally online, such as articles, web sites. The tactile experience
    of a book can't be beat, and I'm wary of owning things on devices where companies can play funny buggers and withdraw your book, or control
    things in anyway.

    I don't know if someone was trying to exhibit a sense of humor at Amazon
    when the first book they pulled from user devices was 1984 (or was it Brave New World? Either way, the irony is abundant...)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 7 08:58:34 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Wed Jul 06 2022 07:48 am

    I don't know if someone was trying to exhibit a sense of humor at Amazon when the first book they pulled from user devices was 1984 (or was it Brave New World? Either way, the irony is abundant...)

    What's next, Fahrenheit 451?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 7 14:09:53 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Wed Jul 06 2022 07:48 am

    I don't know if someone was trying to exhibit a sense of humor at Amazon when the first book they pulled from user devices was 1984 (or was it Brave New World? Either way, the irony is abundant...)


    they were selling it illegally.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thu Jul 7 16:12:21 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 07 2022 08:58 am

    What's next, Fahrenheit 451?

    No, but Margaret Atwood recently released an edition of "The Handmaid's Tale" that's printed on fire-proof paper. The publisher has also similarly released fire-proof editions of Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 7 22:24:54 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Jul 07 2022 04:12 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 07 2022 08:58 am

    What's next, Fahrenheit 451?

    No, but Margaret Atwood recently released an edition of "The Handmaid's Tale" that's printed on fire-proof paper. The publisher has also similarly released fire-proof editions of Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World.


    i would like to test that out
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 8 21:26:17 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Wed Jul 06 2022 07:48 am

    Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Only use physical books. Online reading is reserved for what is originally online, such as articles, web sites. The tactile experience of a book can't be beat, and I'm wary of owning things on devices where companies can play funny buggers and withdraw your book, or control things in anyway.

    I don't know if someone was trying to exhibit a sense of humor at Amazon when the first book they pulled from user devices was 1984 (or was it Brave New World? Either way, the irony is abundant...)


    That was the example I had in mind...

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 8 07:41:00 2022
    Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

    ** On Thursday 07.07.22 - 16:12, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox:

    What's next, Fahrenheit 451?

    A shredder will work just as effectively. :/


    No, but Margaret Atwood recently released an edition of
    "The Handmaid's Tale" that's printed on fire-proof paper.
    The publisher has also similarly released fire-proof
    editions of Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World.

    I wasn't aware of that. But wrt the Handmaid's Tale, it was
    just a one-of.

    "The Gas Company's principal owner, Doug Laxdal, told the AP
    that instead of paper, he and his colleagues used Cinefoil, a
    specially treated aluminum product. The 384-page text, which
    can be read like an ordinary novel, took more than two months
    to complete. The Gas Company needed days just to print out the
    manuscript; the Cinefoil sheets were so thin that some would
    fall through cracks in the printer and become damaged beyond
    repair. The manuscript was then sewed together by hand, using
    nickel copper wire.

    "The only way you could destroy that book is with a shredder,"
    Laxdal says. "Otherwise, it will last for a very long time."


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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Fri Jul 8 07:45:00 2022
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Thursday 07.07.22 - 22:24, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    No, but Margaret Atwood recently released an edition of
    "The Handmaid's Tale" that's printed on fire-proof paper.
    The publisher has also similarly released fire-proof
    editions of Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World.


    i would like to test that out

    An excerpt from:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/burn-proof- edition-handmaids-tale-auction-84922754

    https://bbs.lc/xjsmy


    "NEW YORK -- Margaret Atwood has imagined apocalyptic disaster,
    Dystopian government and an author faking her own death. But
    until recently she had spared herself the nightmare of trying
    to burn one of her own books.

    "With a flamethrower, no less.

    "She failed, and that was the point.

    "On Monday night, timed for PEN America's annual gala, Atwood
    and Penguin Random House announced that a one-off, unburnable
    edition of "The Handmaid's Tale" would be auctioned through
    Sotheby's New York. They launched the initiative with a brief
    video that shows Atwood attempting in vain to incinerate her
    classic novel about a totalitarian patriarchy, the Republic of
    Gilead. Proceeds will be donated to PEN, which advocates for
    free expression around the world.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Fri Jul 8 13:57:42 2022
    Re: What are you reading.
    By: Ogg to MRO on Fri Jul 08 2022 07:45 am

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Thursday 07.07.22 - 22:24, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    No, but Margaret Atwood recently released an edition of
    "The Handmaid's Tale" that's printed on fire-proof paper.
    The publisher has also similarly released fire-proof
    editions of Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World.


    i would like to test that out

    An excerpt from:


    no. i want to burn the unburnable thing. because there's no such thing that exists.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Fri Jul 8 13:59:58 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 08 2022 09:26 pm


    I don't know if someone was trying to exhibit a sense of humor at Amazon when the first book they pulled from user devices was 1984 (or was it Brave New World? Either way, the irony is abundant...)


    they were selling it when they shouldn't have been selling it. there's nothing nefarious about yanking the book.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Fri Jul 8 19:46:00 2022
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Friday 08.07.22 - 13:57, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    i would like to test that out

    An excerpt from:


    no. i want to burn the unburnable thing. because there's
    no such thing that exists. -+-

    Probably wouldn't survive an incinerator. But someone bought
    into the hype and bought it for $150K (proceeds to the PEN
    charity).

    But easier to shred it! :D



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sat Jul 9 00:50:47 2022
    Re: What are you reading.
    By: Ogg to MRO on Fri Jul 08 2022 07:46 pm


    Probably wouldn't survive an incinerator. But someone bought
    into the hype and bought it for $150K (proceeds to the PEN
    charity).

    i know people that burn construction rubble. concrete and everything burns or melts.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jul 9 06:42:43 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to bex on Mon Jul 04 2022 09:30 am

    I love physical books but love reading on a Kindle. Does anyone else buy the physical book then find a pdf or ebook format to read it on?


    I think this is not what you are thinking about, but I often take advantage of Nosolorol's policy.

    Nosolorol is a Spanish RPG publisher. When you buy one of their books, they give you a coupon you may use to download a digital version of the same book. In effect, they give you a free digital copy with each paper copy you buy.

    In the RPG world, this is very useful, because the Game Master may use the paper copy at home to prepare each RPG session, and then print the most important parts of the manuals to take those to the gaming table. This way, if somebody spills a beer, only some sheets of paper you can reprint will be damaged, instead of a corebook worth 60 bucks.

    Extra points because the Copyright notice in the books authorize you to make extra copies for the games. YOu can hand out PDFs and paper copies to the other players if need be.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Boraxman on Sat Jul 9 06:53:20 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 06 2022 06:47 pm

    Only use physical books. Online reading is reserved for what is originally your book, or control things in anyway.


    I like physical books because they are more versatile. THeir main drawback is how much they weight and how much room they take.

    My experience in RPG gaming tables and using manuals in workshops is that paper works better under stress. If you are playing Rolemaster and somebody uses an arcane rule which must be looked up quickly, I have found that, in practice, you will find it earlier using a real book. I know that electronics have bookmarks and search functionality but my experience is that they fall short in comparison. Same for technical books when you are looking for the info necesary to turn some machine on.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sat Jul 9 07:03:40 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Fri Jul 08 2022 01:59 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 08 2022 09:26 pm


    I don't know if someone was trying to exhibit a sense of humor at Amaz when the first book they pulled from user devices was 1984 (or was it Brave New World? Either way, the irony is abundant...)


    they were selling it when they shouldn't have been selling it. there's nothi ---
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    The problem is not that they cease distribution of something they should not have been distributing.

    What is disturbing is that they have the power to shut you off something you thought you had bought.

    When you buy a car from a dealer that is not authorized to sell that car, it is waaaay harder for anybody to take the car from you in those grounds.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to Arelor on Sat Jul 9 23:31:48 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Sat Jul 09 2022 06:53 am

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 06 2022 06:47 pm

    Only use physical books. Online reading is reserved for what is originally
    your book, or control things in anyway.


    I like physical books because they are more versatile. THeir main drawback is how
    much they weight and how much room they take.

    My experience in RPG gaming tables and using manuals in workshops is that paper
    works better under stress. If you are playing Rolemaster and somebody uses an
    arcane rule which must be looked up quickly, I have found that, in practice, you
    will find it earlier using a real book. I know that electronics have bookmarks
    and search functionality but my experience is that they fall short in comparison.
    Same for technical books when you are looking for the info necesary to turn some
    machine on.

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    Flicking through a book works better because you can better tell where in the book, or how far in you are. Bookmarking is easy (just put a finger there) and moving back and forth between two sections just as easy.

    Digital text is good for searching, buts it easy to get lost in where in the text you are. We humans thing differently to computers, so we work better with a different presentation of data.

    Besides, I like having bookshelves and books and don't mind the room they take. I have the space. I feel like I really OWN the book, that I have a copy that is mine.

    Maybe one day I'll get an e-reader and I might find then I change my views on things completely.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Sat Jul 9 09:48:51 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Jul 09 2022 07:03 am

    The problem is not that they cease distribution of something they should not have been distributing.

    What is disturbing is that they have the power to shut you off something you thought you had bought.

    That's why I'm leery of buying content from streaming services. Even if they're streaming it legitimately, they could pull it off their service at any time.

    When you buy a car from a dealer that is not authorized to sell that car, it is waaaay harder for anybody to take the car from you in those grounds.

    I've heard some car makers (such as Tesla, and I heard BMW too) want to go to a subscription model where you have to subscribe and pay a monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without authorization.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sat Jul 9 15:29:19 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Jul 09 2022 07:03 am

    What is disturbing is that they have the power to shut you off something you thought you had bought.

    When you buy a car from a dealer that is not authorized to sell that car, it is waaaay harder for anybody to take the car from you in those grounds.


    oh that has happened over here recently actually. they take that shit right back.

    regarding digital downloads, you are hooked up to their system so of course they can yank it. it's been happening since it started.
    that's the price of 'it just works' with these services.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sat Jul 9 16:54:00 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Jul 09 2022 09:48 am

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Jul 09 2022 07:03 am

    The problem is not that they cease distribution of something they shoul not have been distributing.

    What is disturbing is that they have the power to shut you off somethin you thought you had bought.

    That's why I'm leery of buying content from streaming services. Even if the

    When you buy a car from a dealer that is not authorized to sell that ca it is waaaay harder for anybody to take the car from you in those groun

    I've heard some car makers (such as Tesla, and I heard BMW too) want to go t ar's functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without authorizatio

    Nightfox


    Isn't that how GM's On*Star service or Ford's Microsoft based service works?

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 04:19:05 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Jul 09 2022 09:48:51

    I've heard some car makers (such as Tesla, and I heard BMW too) want
    to go to a subscription model where you have to subscribe and pay a
    monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an
    internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without
    authorization.

    they have been doing this for years without the internet... satellite and cell service provide the comms... think OnStar...

    then there's when you are buying a car... some dealerships have installed boxes in the vehicles... get behind in your payments and they just turn the car off until you make your payment or they send the
    repoman to get it... they know exactly were it is from GPS so the repoman doesn't have to hunt it down like was done in the past...


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 22:56:40 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Jul 09 2022 09:48 am

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Jul 09 2022 07:03 am

    The problem is not that they cease distribution of something they should not have been distributing.

    What is disturbing is that they have the power to shut you off something you thought you had bought.

    That's why I'm leery of buying content from streaming services. Even if they're streaming it legitimately, they could pull it off their service at any time.

    When you buy a car from a dealer that is not authorized to sell that car, it is waaaay harder for anybody to take the car from you in those grounds.

    I've heard some car makers (such as Tesla, and I heard BMW too) want to go to a subscription model where you have to subscribe and pay a monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without authorization.

    Could be worse. They disable your car because they don't like your politics, or they want to prevent you going to some rally, or to some destination they don't approve of.

    Once they start doing this, people within and without the company will start to think the company is now responsible for where people drive under the subscription. The company, not wanting "their" equipment to be used for what they think are socially irresponsible and undesirable purposes will find cause for greater control.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Jul 10 08:19:00 2022
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 09.07.22 - 00:50, MRO wrote to Ogg:

    Re: What are you reading.
    By: Ogg to MRO on Fri Jul 08 2022 07:46 pm


    Probably wouldn't survive an incinerator. But someone bought
    into the hype and bought it for $150K (proceeds to the PEN
    charity).

    i know people that burn construction rubble. concrete and everything burns or melts. -+-

    Sure.. at high enough temps, pretty much anything can be
    destroyed. But the "unburnable" book had a temperture limit at
    which it would survive. The whole project was primarily a
    statement about censorship and an excuse for a fund-raiser.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sun Jul 10 16:17:34 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 2022 10:56 pm


    Once they start doing this, people within and without the company will start to think the company is now responsible for where people drive under the subscription. The company, not wanting "their" equipment to be used for what they think are socially irresponsible and undesirable purposes will find cause for greater control.

    they already have the ability to disable some cars and they use it in case of theft.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Jul 10 16:18:38 2022
    Re: What are you reading.
    By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Jul 10 2022 08:19 am


    Sure.. at high enough temps, pretty much anything can be
    destroyed. But the "unburnable" book had a temperture limit at
    which it would survive. The whole project was primarily a
    statement about censorship and an excuse for a fund-raiser.


    i would like to test that. there's nothing i've burned that survived.
    the hardest thing i tried to burn was a tree trunk. that required burns and chopping with an axe.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sun Jul 10 14:45:59 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Jul 09 2022 04:54 pm

    I've heard some car makers (such as Tesla, and I heard BMW too) want
    to go t ar's functions if they think it has been stolen or sold
    without authorizatio

    Isn't that how GM's On*Star service or Ford's Microsoft based service works?

    I don't know.. I hadn't heard OnStar could do that, and didn't know Ford had a Microsoft based service.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Sun Jul 10 14:47:49 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 2022 10:56 pm

    monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an
    internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's
    functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without
    authorization.

    Could be worse. They disable your car because they don't like your politics, or they want to prevent you going to some rally, or to some

    I don't really see why would the company that made the car would do that to their customers due to their politics. And I doubt they'd even know in the first place what your political beliefs are..

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 20:05:36 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun Jul 10 2022 02:45 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Jul 09 2022 04:54 pm

    I've heard some car makers (such as Tesla, and I heard BMW too) want
    to go t ar's functions if they think it has been stolen or sold
    without authorizatio

    Isn't that how GM's On*Star service or Ford's Microsoft based service works?

    I don't know.. I hadn't heard OnStar could do that, and didn't know Ford had a Microsoft based service.

    with onstar an owner can tell them to disable the vehicle.
    they will disable it for police if the car is within eyesight.
    onstar also has " Stolen Vehicle Slowdown "
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 20:06:09 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Sun Jul 10 2022 02:47 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 2022 10:56 pm

    monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an
    internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's
    functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without
    authorization.

    Could be worse. They disable your car because they don't like your politics, or they want to prevent you going to some rally, or to some

    I don't really see why would the company that made the car would do that to their customers due to their politics. And I doubt they'd even know in the first place what your political beliefs are..

    Nightfox

    all they need is a partnership with facebook or another site tracks you.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 11 20:38:22 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Sun Jul 10 2022 02:47 pm

    monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an
    internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's
    functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without
    authorization.

    Could be worse. They disable your car because they don't like your politics, or they want to prevent you going to some rally, or to some

    I don't really see why would the company that made the car would do that to their customers due to their politics. And I doubt they'd even know in the first place what your political beliefs are..


    There was a bank in the UK, Halifax bank, which stated that if customers didn't like its position on pronouns, then they should just sod off. I'm paraphrasing here, but wokeness is a religion, and when a company is inflitrated with zealots, such purging of heretics could happen.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to MRO on Mon Jul 11 20:39:45 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 2022 08:06 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 2022 10:56 pm

    monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an
    internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's
    functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without
    authorization.

    Could be worse. They disable your car because they don't like your politics, or they want to prevent you going to some rally, or to some

    I don't really see why would the company that made the car would do that to their customers due to their politics. And I doubt they'd even know in the first place what your political beliefs are..


    They would find out the usual way. Some activist who has a beef with you would simply inform and harrangue the company, telling the company if they don't want their image tarnished by appearing to support such-and-such activity, they should take necessary action.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Mon Jul 11 18:01:42 2022
    On 7/9/22 13:29, MRO wrote:

    regarding digital downloads, you are hooked up to their system so
    of course they can yank it. it's been happening since it started.
    that's the price of 'it just works' with these services.

    The friction is a lot less though... I mean, my fiance does know how to
    use a private torrent site with a browser plugin setup to send a given
    torrent to a seedbox in amsterdam... and then connect with FileZilla to
    grab it off that seedbox. But explaining the fact that I need to "clean
    up" space on the seedbox now and then, and how I determine that is
    harder. She at least understands the warning on the torrent site how to
    clear the "hit and run" warnings.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Mon Jul 11 22:06:21 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Mon Jul 11 2022 06:01 pm

    The friction is a lot less though... I mean, my fiance does know how to
    use a private torrent site with a browser plugin setup to send a given torrent to a seedbox in amsterdam... and then connect with FileZilla to
    grab it off that seedbox. But explaining the fact that I need to "clean
    up" space on the seedbox now and then, and how I determine that is
    harder. She at least understands the warning on the torrent site how to clear the "hit and run" warnings.


    i use winscp's cli to send the torrent site to the server's watchdir.

    why do you have a seedbox in amsterdam? your speeds must suck ass.
    just use a canadian server.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 02:37:44 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Sun Jul 10 2022 02:47 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 2022 10:56 pm

    monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an
    internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's
    functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without
    authorization.

    Could be worse. They disable your car because they don't like your politics, or they want to prevent you going to some rally, or to some

    I don't really see why would the company that made the car would do that to their c

    Nightfox

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    The trend is what it is.

    If you sell a shovel knowing it is going to be used to bury stolen goods then some
    attorney may think you are a facilitator for illegal activities.

    If the authorities decide that some activity is undesirable, they may pull a similar
    reasoning off against the service providers who serve "the rebel scoundrels". This is
    something we are already seeing so I don't know what the surprise is about.

    It is not too far fetched to suppose that one day they may want to force a car manufacturer to prevent people from driving to a protest, arguing that if the car
    manufacturer allows it, it will be acting as a facilitator for an illegal protest.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MINDS3 to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 21:00:26 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 02:37 am

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun Jul 10 2022 10:56 pm

    monthly fee to enable certain car features. With an
    internet-connected car, I could see them totally disabling the car's
    functions if they think it has been stolen or sold without
    authorization.

    Could be worse. They disable your car because they don't like your politics, or they want to prevent you going to some rally, or to some

    I don't really see why would the company that made the car would do that to their c

    Nightfox

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    The trend is what it is.

    If you sell a shovel knowing it is going to be used to bury stolen goods then some
    attorney may think you are a facilitator for illegal activities.

    If the authorities decide that some activity is undesirable, they may pull a similar
    reasoning off against the service providers who serve "the rebel scoundrels". This is
    something we are already seeing so I don't know what the surprise is about.

    It is not too far fetched to suppose that one day they may want to force a car manufacturer to prevent people from driving to a protest, arguing that if the car
    manufacturer allows it, it will be acting as a facilitator for an illegal protest.


    This happens already. Hotels and other establishments which host speakers the cancel culture don't like being told there will be trouble because they are facilitating the speakers views. Banks freezing and cancelling accounts of people for whom they don't like their politics. We see already activists using such techniques to push companies into cancelling people.

    This scenario that I've laid out isn't hypothetical but an existing strategy. If the car is owned by the company, it can be argued that anything done with the car is done with the companies own property. Did we not see financial institutions being active to police the January 6 so called insurrection?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 10:05:58 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 02:37 am

    similar reasoning off against the service providers who serve "the rebel scoundrels". This is something we are already seeing so I don't know what the surprise is about.

    It is not too far fetched to suppose that one day they may want to force a car manufacturer to prevent people from driving to a protest, arguing that if the car manufacturer allows it, it will be acting as a facilitator for an illegal protest.

    if there's something serious, they don't need to go all the way down the chain to the car mfg. they can have the authorities intercept you.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 09:07:10 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 02:37 am

    I don't really see why would the company that made the car would do
    that to their c

    The trend is what it is.

    If you sell a shovel knowing it is going to be used to bury stolen goods then some attorney may think you are a facilitator for illegal activities.

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics their customers have. How would they know that?

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 12:52:42 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:07 am

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 02:37 am

    I don't really see why would the company that made the car would do
    that to their c

    The trend is what it is.

    If you sell a shovel knowing it is going to be used to bury stolen goods
    then some attorney may think you are a facilitator for illegal activities.

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know

    Nightfox

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    They don't need to know. They just need a black suit from the government to walk into their office and tell them:
    "Look, everybody driving in this town past 7 PM is heading to an illegal protest, so shut everybody's car frozen if
    you detect one past that hour or there will be repercussions."

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 20:23:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-

    If you sell a shovel knowing it is going to be used to bury stolen goods then some attorney may think you are a facilitator for illegal activities.

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your
    quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics
    their customers have. How would they know that?

    Oh, they can know. The can purchase that information from the likes of FaceBook, Google, and any number of other "social media" outlets. Some
    of it is "legal" info gleaned from your browsing, purchases, commentary, etc.... and some is not quite as legally obtained, but still very
    important to them, and very easy to get.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Tue Jul 12 19:43:33 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 08:23 pm

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your
    quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics
    their customers have. How would they know that?

    Oh, they can know. The can purchase that information from the likes of FaceBook, Google, and any number of other "social media" outlets. Some
    of it is "legal" info gleaned from your browsing, purchases, commentary, etc.... and some is not quite as legally obtained, but still very important to them, and very easy to get.

    When I tend to think of buying a car, I usually think of walking into a dealership and buying one in person - It would be difficult to get things like browsing history etc. that way, but now that I think about it, for some car companies like Tesla etc., I've heard you can (or may have to) order one online and wait for it to be built for you.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 08:01:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your
    quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics
    their customers have. How would they know that?

    Oh, they can know. The can purchase that information from the likes of FaceBook, Google, and any number of other "social media" outlets. Some
    of it is "legal" info gleaned from your browsing, purchases, commentary, etc.... and some is not quite as legally obtained, but still very important to them, and very easy to get.

    When I tend to think of buying a car, I usually think of walking
    into a dealership and buying one in person - It would be
    difficult to get things like browsing history etc. that way, but
    now that I think about it, for some car companies like Tesla
    etc., I've heard you can (or may have to) order one online and
    wait for it to be built for you.

    Could be true about the Tesla, I'm not sure. But... even buying as you describe, in person, think about how much info you give them as you do
    the paperwork. All they really need is your name, and they will likely
    have a LOT of other info directly from you: address, banking
    institution (for financing), probably your SSN, phone number, email
    address, and who knows what else. In a matter of minutes they can have
    a full profile on you, and you'd be surprised at how much data that
    actually is. Your political leanings are trivial information for them
    to find out. The old saying "Big Brother is watching" is unfortunately
    the actual reality of these times.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Gamgee on Wed Jul 13 16:32:45 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:01 am

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your
    quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics
    their customers have. How would they know that?

    Well, even if you pay cash, they'll try to run a credit report. There's a ton of information they can use to sell/mine/whathaveyou.

    In this dystopian nightmare we're all sliding into where your information is their capital, it wouldn't be hard to, in the future, tie multiple streams of data on you into a picture that tells a tale that someone with the information could use.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 13 16:58:43 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:32 pm

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your
    quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics
    their customers have. How would they know that?

    Well, even if you pay cash, they'll try to run a credit report. There's a ton of information they can use to sell/mine/whathaveyou.

    Makes sense.

    And your reply was directed toward Gamgee, but the only part of the message you quoted was what I wrote.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 20:59:19 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:58 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:32 pm

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your
    quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics
    their customers have. How would they know that?

    Well, even if you pay cash, they'll try to run a credit report. There's a ton of information they can use to sell/mine/whathaveyou.

    Makes sense.

    And your reply was directed toward Gamgee, but the only part of the message you quoted was what I wrote.

    This is actually NOT true and it's against the law.
    you DO have to fill out an IRS form if it's above 10,000 dollars.

    In the car buying process they only run your credit report when you say you want to use one of their lenders.

    When I bought a car in full using a cheque from my bank, the car dealership did not even bother running anything on me.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Thu Jul 14 00:26:00 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun Jul 10 2022 02:45 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Jul 09 2022 04:54 pm

    I've heard some car makers (such as Tesla, and I heard BMW too) want
    to go t ar's functions if they think it has been stolen or sold
    without authorizatio

    Isn't that how GM's On*Star service or Ford's Microsoft based service works?

    I don't know.. I hadn't heard OnStar could do that, and didn't know Ford ha

    Nightfox


    On Star can disable a car. The service Chrysler was putting in the Jeep Commanders was hacked right away by white hat hackers that were able to
    monitor the service's network and single out a vehicle by narrowing it down
    by area and activity. I think it was Wired magazine who did an articel on these hackers. Part of the interview involved the interviewer renting a
    random Jeep at the local rental, then when they knew he was on the highway heading to their meeting, they figured out which Jeep product he was driving
    by narrowing down vehicle gps's the service would ping. They called him
    overe the Jeeps phone, verifed it was him, then told him to move tot he right lane because they were disabling his throttle. he still had access to brakes and steering to safely pull over.

    They pranked him a few years before by having him rent a Cadillac, and asked him to stop at a certain gas station on his way to the interview. Once they determined his car, they sniffed the car's phone esn and tricked the car into thinking they were On Star.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 14 17:39:33 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:32 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:01 am

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your
    quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics Ni>>> their customers have. How would they know that?

    Well, even if you pay cash, they'll try to run a credit report. There's a to

    In this dystopian nightmare we're all sliding into where your information is


    In Spain it is illegal to use cash to purchase anything remotely expensive. Suckers here want to track it all.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Fri Jul 15 02:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 14 2022 05:39 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:32 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:01 am

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your
    quote) was that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics Ni>>> their customers have. How would they know that?

    Well, even if you pay cash, they'll try to run a credit report. There's a

    In this dystopian nightmare we're all sliding into where your information


    In Spain it is illegal to use cash to purchase anything remotely expensive. Suckers here want to track it all.

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    Here in the US they would like to phase out some of the larger bills for the same reason. Farmers tend to pay cash. I ran into a neighbor at the farm supply store, and he looked unhappy. He told me he was there to buy a $3500 zero turn radius mower, and the salesman kept asking if he wanted to apply
    for the store's credit card and get a discount. He kept saying no. He got
    mad and asked to see the manager, then the manager tired pushing their store card to him. When he said he was going to pay cash, they asked which bank
    his check was coming from. He told the manager he gives up and will
    shop elsewhere. Of all the years I've known the guy, when he leaves the
    house to shop, he has around $5000 in cash. When he said he'll pay in cash, h e meant it.

    People who buy and trade used cars also do cash transactions because cash is
    no hassle and can be re-spent easily.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 09:05:51 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:04 am

    Here in the US they would like to phase out some of the larger bills for the same reason. Farmers tend to pay cash. I ran into a neighbor at the farm supply store, and he looked unhappy. He told me he was there to buy a $3500 zero turn radius mower, and the salesman kept asking if he wanted to apply for the store's credit card and get a discount. He kept saying no. He got mad and asked to see the manager, then the manager tired pushing their store card to him. When he said he was going to pay cash, they asked which bank his check was coming from. He told the manager he gives up and

    When you said cash, I thought you meant actual cash, but I suppose a check is pretty much equivalent.

    will shop elsewhere. Of all the years I've known the guy, when he leaves the house to shop, he has around $5000 in cash. When he said he'll pay in cash, h e meant it.

    People who buy and trade used cars also do cash transactions because cash is no hassle and can be re-spent easily.

    Yeah, I sometimes like paying in cash because it's less hassle. Cash in the US also has the phrase "This is legal tender for all debts private and public" printed on it. I thought that meant you legally have to accept cash for payment and can't make customers use another form of payment if they want to use cash.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 13:54:40 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:04 am

    for the store's credit card and get a discount. He kept saying no. He got mad and asked to see the manager, then the manager tired pushing their store card to him. When he said he was going to pay cash, they asked which bank his check was coming from. He told the manager he gives up and will
    shop elsewhere. Of all the years I've known the guy, when he leaves the house to shop, he has around $5000 in cash. When he said he'll pay in cash, h e meant it.

    5k in cash is a lot of money physically. this guy is a crazy motherfucker.
    he can't use a debit card or a casheer's check?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Jul 15 13:56:59 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 09:05 am


    Yeah, I sometimes like paying in cash because it's less hassle. Cash in

    the
    US also has the phrase "This is legal tender for all debts private and public" printed on it. I thought that meant you legally have to accept cash for payment and can't make customers use another form of payment if they want to use cash.

    try paying a fine with pennies.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Fri Jul 15 21:36:00 2022
    MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

    for the store's credit card and get a discount. He kept saying no. He got mad and asked to see the manager, then the manager tired pushing their store card to him. When he said he was going to pay cash, they asked which bank his check was coming from. He told the manager he gives up and will
    shop elsewhere. Of all the years I've known the guy, when he leaves the house to shop, he has around $5000 in cash. When he said he'll pay in cash, h e meant it.

    5k in cash is a lot of money physically.

    We're not talking about the $1 bills that you carry for the strippers.

    It's only 50 bills, assuming Benjamins. Less than 1/4" thick.

    this guy is a crazy motherfucker. he can't use a debit card or a
    casheer's check?

    Both of those leave a "paper trail". Maybe he doesn't want to do that.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 00:25:00 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 09:05 am

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:04 am

    Here in the US they would like to phase out some of the larger bills fo the same reason. Farmers tend to pay cash. I ran into a neighbor at the farm supply store, and he looked unhappy. He told me he was there to bu $3500 zero turn radius mower, and the salesman kept asking if he wanted apply for the store's credit card and get a discount. He kept saying no He got mad and asked to see the manager, then the manager tired pushing their store card to him. When he said he was going to pay cash, they as which bank his check was coming from. He told the manager he gives up a

    When you said cash, I thought you meant actual cash, but I suppose a check i

    will shop elsewhere. Of all the years I've known the guy, when he leave the house to shop, he has around $5000 in cash. When he said he'll pay cash, h e meant it.

    People who buy and trade used cars also do cash transactions because ca is no hassle and can be re-spent easily.

    Yeah, I sometimes like paying in cash because it's less hassle. Cash in the tomers use another form of payment if they want to use cash.

    Nightfox


    For some reason they doubted my neighbor had actual cash, and assumed he
    meant a check from checking/ savings.

    When I first met my sister's current boyfriend, we were talking about random things, then he asked me how much cash do I usually carry on me, or at least how much does an average IT guy carry? I told him that's an awkard question, and ask him where it going to? He asks what we do when the young guy at work needs to sell a pistol, rifle, or something else off? i told him that rarely ever happens, except when a guy gets separated or divorced.

    To fill out missing pieces, he programs CNC machines but was trained as a
    mold maker. He told me most shops have experienced machinists and programmers
    that get paid well, but there will also be apprentices that work part of the day and go to school for the other half. For some of these kids, this is the first real money they have made, and they get stupid and buy expensive
    things, then in a week have to re-sell them in order to pay bills or make
    car payments. They'll bring whatever toys they cannot afford into work,
    hoping a co-worker is carrying cash. He siad it was common for a co-worker
    to carry between 500 to a thousand dollars in cash.

    For one summer I worked with a contractor who would paid on Thursday, then
    ask for a loan on Friday, but he'd want the buyer to act as a pawn shop. Aything he sold you he wanted to buy back later. I never wanted to get
    messed up in deal like that or loan money i didn't know when iut would be paid
    off.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sat Jul 16 00:38:00 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: MRO to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 01:54 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:04 am

    for the store's credit card and get a discount. He kept saying no. He g mad and asked to see the manager, then the manager tired pushing their st card to him. When he said he was going to pay cash, they asked which ban his check was coming from. He told the manager he gives up and will
    shop elsewhere. Of all the years I've known the guy, when he leaves the house to shop, he has around $5000 in cash. When he said he'll pay in ca h e meant it.

    5k in cash is a lot of money physically. this guy is a crazy motherfucker. he can't use a debit card or a casheer's check?

    He deals in cash at the greenhouse on his farm, so he has cash. The only
    time they use checks or credit is when they buy a tractor or combine that
    costs over $250,000. He and his brothers and sisters's families run their parent's farm after their parents passed away, and they farm several thousand acres and run several greenhouses rasing flowers and vegetables. They also
    run a bar down the road for a few hours in the afternoons when they get down with chores. The greenhouses and bar take cash only.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sat Jul 16 00:40:00 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Jul 15 2022 01:56 pm

    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 09:05 am


    Yeah, I sometimes like paying in cash because it's less hassle. Cash in

    the
    US also has the phrase "This is legal tender for all debts private and public" printed on it. I thought that meant you legally have to accept ca for payment and can't make customers use another form of payment if they want to use cash.

    try paying a fine with pennies.

    I have a water cooler bottle full of pennies. i need to remove some and cash them in before the bottle is too heavy to move.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 12:51:00 2022
    Moondog wrote to Arelor <=-

    People who buy and trade used cars also do cash transactions because
    cash is no hassle and can be re-spent easily.

    I'd love to buy cash, but my bank doesn't have local branches where I could
    go take out that much money.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Sat Jul 16 14:50:00 2022
    On 7/11/22 20:06, MRO wrote:

    why do you have a seedbox in amsterdam? your speeds must suck ass.
    just use a canadian server.

    Amsterdam doesn't have a treaty (trade aggreement) that requires it to
    respect US copyright law, so they through the DMCA notices in the trash
    on your behalf. Canadian providers could and if pressed, would likely
    turn over your user or at least IP information and then they'd notify
    your internet provider who would likely cut your service if there's
    multiple complaints.

    Speed isn't really a problem, my service level gives me 20MB up, which
    is pretty easy to max out... but I queue up my downloads in filezilla
    (SFTP) and it usually takes less than 10min to finish them all...
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Sat Jul 16 14:53:20 2022
    On 7/12/22 00:37, Arelor wrote:

    It is not too far fetched to suppose that one day they may want to
    force a car manufacturer to prevent people from driving to a protest, arguing that if the car manufacturer allows it, it will be acting as a facilitator for an illegal protest.

    In China, they recently revoked the "Electronic ID" of anyone who
    mentioned attending a given protest... guess who couldn't travel on
    public transportation, access the internet or their own bank account.

    I don't think the US is beyond doing this at some point, given current trends... and I'm pretty certain that Australia and Canado would do it
    at this point.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 15:04:01 2022
    On 7/12/22 09:07, Nightfox wrote:

    Part of what I was saying (which you didn't include in your quote) was
    that I doubt a car maker would even know what politics their customers
    have. How would they know that?

    Voter registration, property registration, and often driver's license
    and vehicle registration are considered public information... if they
    have your Name and address, that's generally enough, for that matter
    your Name and Zip code. There are commercial services that will sift
    through TONS of data to correlate more than that. Financial
    institutions will sell creditability/worthiness as well. So at that
    point, can largely get all the relevant information just based on your name+zip, email or name+ip. This gets further ingrained with probability scores based on your Email Address and IP.

    I worked at a company a few years ago that could correlate a crap ton of information just on your email+ip address. The email correlation was
    mostly to establish if you were a real person. It was mostly to flag
    credit applications for manual review, or to limit entries into online contests.

    I also worked on the system that manages email marketing at a major
    credit card company... I was so sick to my stomach at the end of the 6
    month contract, didn't renew, I just left and didn't want to go back.
    I'm not opposed to working in/with marketing tech in general, but some
    of the dark patterns used and the ways big data gets correlated is
    freakishly scary.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sat Jul 16 20:57:49 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:50 pm

    On 7/11/22 20:06, MRO wrote:

    why do you have a seedbox in amsterdam? your speeds must suck ass.
    just use a canadian server.

    Amsterdam doesn't have a treaty (trade aggreement) that requires it to respect US copyright law, so they through the DMCA notices in the trash
    on your behalf. Canadian providers could and if pressed, would likely
    turn over your user or at least IP information and then they'd notify
    your internet provider who would likely cut your service if there's
    multiple complaints.

    i've been doing this for years. non usa ones just ignore everything.
    they absolutely would not alert your internet provider.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 17 09:20:00 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:53 pm

    On 7/12/22 00:37, Arelor wrote:

    It is not too far fetched to suppose that one day they may want to
    force a car manufacturer to prevent people from driving to a protest, arguing that if the car manufacturer allows it, it will be acting as a facilitator for an illegal protest.

    In China, they recently revoked the "Electronic ID" of anyone who
    mentioned attending a given protest... guess who couldn't travel on
    public transportation, access the internet or their own bank account.

    I don't think the US is beyond doing this at some point, given current trends... and I'm pretty certain that Australia and Canado would do it
    at this point.
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    It looks like they eliminated passes and cards and put everything into phone apps. That would indeed make it easier to limit someone through a single poin t of attack.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TRACKER1 on Mon Jul 18 16:10:00 2022
    In China, they recently revoked the "Electronic ID" of anyone who
    mentioned attending a given protest... guess who couldn't travel on
    public transportation, access the internet or their own bank account.

    I don't think the US is beyond doing this at some point, given current trends... and I'm pretty certain that Australia and Canado would do it
    at this point.

    Canada has done something like that recently. I don't know about an "Electronic ID," but they froze the bank accounts of several persons they
    were able to ID as participating in the protests earlier this year. Unlike
    the US protests of recent years, they really were mostly peaceful, but Trudolf... er, Trudeau, found them to be very threatening. :(


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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Moondog on Tue Jul 19 19:05:59 2022
    Re: Re: What are you reading.
    By: Moondog to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:20 am

    It looks like they eliminated passes and cards and put everything into phone apps. That would indeed make it easier to limit someone through a single poin t of attack.

    Geez, but everybody LOVES phone apps!

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