• Hello

    From Kyler Vanderschee@VERT/DMINE to All on Thu Apr 7 23:24:59 2022
    Just saying hi!

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Kyler Vanderschee on Fri Apr 8 08:15:33 2022
    Just saying hi!

    HI !

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  • From Sam Alexander@VERT/BAUDOT to Kyler Vanderschee on Fri Apr 8 18:14:54 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Kyler Vanderschee to All on Thu Apr 07 2022 11:24 pm

    Just saying hi!

    Howdy from Texas...

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Kyler Vanderschee on Fri Apr 8 10:27:00 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Kyler Vanderschee to All on Thu Apr 07 2022 11:24 pm

    Just saying hi!

    Hello!

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  • From Roalt@VERT/MMBBS1 to Kyler Vanderschee on Fri Apr 8 13:18:49 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Kyler Vanderschee to All on Thu Apr 07 2022 11:24 pm

    Just saying hi!

    Hello & welcome!
    `'`' roalt `'`'

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  • From Aaronfire7@VERT/CAVEBBS to All on Sat May 7 13:50:00 2022
    Hello, I am brand new to this BBS and I'm sure you've seen people like me before but here goes nothing. I am in awe at this place! I cannot believe
    that this used to be what the internet was, and still is (Kind of)! It's fascinating to know that the Internet has come so far since the creation of
    the BBS in 1991-1992. Thanks for "Calling"!

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Aaronfire7 on Sat May 7 14:56:38 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Aaronfire7 to All on Sat May 07 2022 01:50 pm

    Hello, I am brand new to this BBS and I'm sure you've seen people like me before but here goes nothing. I am in awe at this place! I cannot believe that this used to be what the internet was, and still is (Kind of)! It's fascinating to know that the Internet has come so far since the creation of the BBS in 1991-1992. Thanks for "Calling"!

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    Welcome!
    Keep in mind this is a networked message board, where your message can be read by people on many different BBSes. So when you say "this BBS", I assume you mean The Cave BBS?

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew about BBSes. There were so many BBSes in my area though, and it has been sad to see them all pretty much disappear except for a select few.

    Nightfox

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Sun May 8 10:59:41 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Aaronfire7 on Sat May 07 2022 02:56 pm

    Re: Hello
    By: Aaronfire7 to All on Sat May 07 2022 01:50 pm

    Hello, I am brand new to this BBS and I'm sure you've seen people like before but here goes nothing. I am in awe at this place! I cannot belie that this used to be what the internet was, and still is (Kind of)! It' fascinating to know that the Internet has come so far since the creatio of the BBS in 1991-1992. Thanks for "Calling"!

    ■ Synchronet ■ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.net

    Welcome!
    Keep in mind this is a networked message board, where your message can be re by people on many different BBSes. So when you say "this BBS", I assume you mean The Cave BBS?

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew about BBSes. There were so many BBSes in my area though, and it has been sad to see them all pretty muc disappear except for a select few.

    Nightfox

    Probably should also point it this wasn't how The Internet was. BBS's were separate to the Internet. It was a way for people to connect computers and message and chat and share files without the Internet.

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  • From Ennev@VERT/MTLGEEK to Aaronfire7 on Mon May 9 10:15:49 2022
    the BBS in 1991-1992. Thanks for "Calling"!

    Hi and welcome :-)

    I don't want to be the guy, but maybe 91-92 was the golden age, but BBS was there before that. 78 could be the start, I guess. A friend started his around 83.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Ennev on Mon May 9 14:36:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Ennev to Aaronfire7 on Mon May 09 2022 10:15 am

    the BBS in 1991-1992. Thanks for "Calling"!

    Hi and welcome :-)

    I don't want to be the guy, but maybe 91-92 was the golden age, but BBS was there before that. 78 could be the start, I guess. A friend started his arou 83.

    By 91, every area had more than one local BBS, and 2400 baud modems could be bought for cheap at the Electronics Boutique in the mall. ISP's didn't take over in my area until 96-97. Getting Windows 95 was the main reason many of our customers chose to upgrade. they have been happy with their 386's and 486's with 2400 baud modems, and were forced to move to a Pentium and a 14.4k modem

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Boraxman on Sun May 15 21:11:10 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun May 08 2022 10:59 am

    so far since the creatio of the BBS in 1991-1992. Thanks for

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Boraxman on Sun May 15 21:16:21 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun May 08 2022 10:59 am

    so far since the creatio of the BBS in 1991-1992. Thanks for

    Well BBS'ing really began in the 70's
    I ran my 1st BBS in the mid 80's.

    Keep in mind this is a networked message board, where your message can
    be re by people on many different BBSes. So when you say "this BBS",
    I assume you mean The Cave BBS?

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of
    households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew
    about BBSes. There were so many BBSes in my area though, and it has
    been sad to see them all pretty muc disappear except for a select few.

    Yes, sad indeed, but now we're back and better.

    Probably should also point it this wasn't how The Internet was. BBS's were separate to the Internet. It was a way for people to connect computers and message and chat and share files without the Internet.

    True But BBS's were the first experience for many to connect to antother computer.

    ... Life is like... an analogy.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Denn on Mon May 16 06:47:00 2022
    Denn wrote to Boraxman <=-

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew
    about BBSes.

    It felt like you were part of a secret society that few people you
    encountered even knew about. You'd meet someone and mention something
    about connect tones or downloading, and if you saw a glint in their
    eyes knew that they knew.


    ... It is simply a matter of work
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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 17 15:57:14 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon May 16 2022 06:47 am

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of
    households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew
    about BBSes.

    That's the most shocking thing to me, as a young'un. Reading BBS literature, it seems that, back in the 80s, every teenager had one running in their basement.

    Yet when I find people in that age range -- even the old techies! -- and ask about BBSes, I get a confused look and a "No, we really only just used computers for college."


    Part of that might be regional, seeing as how I'm from the middle part of the country, but I'm still stunned. Even people who can rattle off their old PC specs from memory don't seem to remember BBSes.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Mon May 16 08:14:06 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Denn to Boraxman on Sun May 15 2022 09:16 pm

    Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Nightfox on Sun May 08 2022 10:59 am

    so far since the creatio of the BBS in 1991-1992. Thanks for

    Well BBS'ing really began in the 70's
    I ran my 1st BBS in the mid 80's.

    Keep in mind this is a networked message board, where your message can
    be re by people on many different BBSes. So when you say "this BBS",
    I assume you mean The Cave BBS?

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew
    about BBSes. There were so many BBSes in my area though, and it has
    been sad to see them all pretty muc disappear except for a select few.

    Yes, sad indeed, but now we're back and better.

    Probably should also point it this wasn't how The Internet was. BBS's were separate to the Internet. It was a way for people to connect computers and message and chat and share files without the Internet.

    True But BBS's were the first experience for many to connect to antother computer.


    i think a lot of sysops are short sighted about bbsing and human interation.

    bbses provided a way for people to interact with eachother. the interaction is how that was fun. it had little to do with the bbses. it was a tool that provided interaction. now people use twitter, facebook, instagram and snapchat.

    nothing has changed.

    maybe we're autistic and keep focusing on the literal technology to truly realize this.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 17 13:24:08 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon May 16 2022 06:47 am

    Denn wrote to Boraxman <=-

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew
    about BBSes.

    It felt like you were part of a secret society that few people you
    encountered even knew about. You'd meet someone and mention something
    about connect tones or downloading, and if you saw a glint in their
    eyes knew that they knew.



    someone got one of captain crunch's hugs.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Margaerynne on Tue May 17 17:06:02 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 17 2022 03:57 pm

    That's the most shocking thing to me, as a young'un. Reading BBS literature, it seems that, back in the 80s, every teenager had one running in their basement.


    there's not much bbs literature. and no, not every teenager had a bbs in their basement. why would it be in the basement anyways?

    Yet when I find people in that age range -- even the old techies! -- and ask about BBSes, I get a confused look and a "No, we really only just used computers for college."

    people left that stuff behind.
    just like i left gopher behind. it sucks so i'm not going to use it again. when i used it, there wasnt anything better, but that has changed.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 18 08:38:56 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon May 16 2022 06:47 am

    Denn wrote to Boraxman <=-

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew
    about BBSes.

    It felt like you were part of a secret society that few people you
    encountered even knew about. You'd meet someone and mention something
    about connect tones or downloading, and if you saw a glint in their
    eyes knew that they knew.


    ... It is simply a matter of work

    For me, it was being part of some underground. You had access to Module Tracker files, the Demoscene, cool ansi, a cyberpunk aesthetic and PeoPlE WhO WroTe LiKE tHiS uSInG CrAzy cAPs. That and the wierd obscure stuff you like find, like infamous manifesto's... *cough*.

    The 90's web was also pretty awesome, but its been homogenised to "Social Media" which is boooooring and bland now.

    BBS's were a destination, a place to visit, poke around. Some webpages were like that too but this model has lost favour to having a 'feed' style presentation.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to MRO on Tue May 17 17:46:50 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Margaerynne on Tue May 17 2022 05:06 pm

    there's not much bbs literature. and no, not every teenager had a bbs in th

    I'm definitely no teenager, but my BBS is in the basement because that's where all my servers are.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Belly on Tue May 17 19:31:05 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to MRO on Tue May 17 2022 05:46 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Margaerynne on Tue May 17 2022 05:06 pm

    there's not much bbs literature. and no, not every teenager had a bbs in th

    I'm definitely no teenager, but my BBS is in the basement because that's where all my servers are.


    i'm talking about back then.

    hope you dont have a lot of moisture in your basement.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Margaerynne on Tue May 17 18:09:14 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 17 2022 03:57 pm

    Yet when I find people in that age range -- even the old techies! -- and ask about BBSes, I get a confused look and a "No, we really only just used computers for college."

    Early on, you needed a dedicated PC - and you needed a phone line. Both could be expensive.

    I've always used hand-me-down PCs, but installing a phone line was still $75 for the install and another $25 or so a month, even with measured-rate calling. Since people were mostly calling the board, you could get per-call billing with a lower base cost than the flat-rate calling plans.

    Not everyone was willing to make that commitment, but they didn't have to - there were dozens of BBSes in most metropolitan calling areas.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Tue May 17 18:11:29 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 18 2022 08:38 am

    For me, it was being part of some underground. You had access to Module Tracker files, the Demoscene, cool ansi, a cyberpunk aesthetic and PeoPlE WhO WroTe LiKE tHiS uSInG CrAzy cAPs. That and the wierd obscure stuff you like find, like infamous manifesto's... *cough*.

    And, the conspiracy theories! We all stayed up late BBSing and listening to Art Bell -- and writing about remote viewing, the illuminati, the globalist bank cartel, the people who kept UFOs under wraps, and the aliens that walk among us.

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  • From Launchpad@VERT/FUTBBS to Kyler Vanderschee on Wed May 18 18:05:01 2022
    Just saying hi!

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    Welcome!

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Margaerynne on Wed May 18 19:32:35 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 17 2022 03:57 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon May 16 2022 06:47 am

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of
    households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew
    about BBSes.

    That's the most shocking thing to me, as a young'un. Reading BBS literature, seems that, back in the 80s, every teenager had one running in their baseme

    Yet when I find people in that age range -- even the old techies! -- and ask about BBSes, I get a confused look and a "No, we really only just used computers for college."


    Part of that might be regional, seeing as how I'm from the middle part of th country, but I'm still stunned. Even people who can rattle off their old PC specs from memory don't seem to remember BBSes.


    Only one of my friends used BBSs. He was the one that introduced me to them when I was loaned a 386 with a modem. I think another *may* have used them, but it was a niche thing, and this was in the 90's.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 18 19:38:01 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Tue May 17 2022 06:11 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 18 2022 08:38 am

    For me, it was being part of some underground. You had access to Module Tracker files, the Demoscene, cool ansi, a cyberpunk aesthetic and PeoPl WhO WroTe LiKE tHiS uSInG CrAzy cAPs. That and the wierd obscure stuff y like find, like infamous manifesto's... *cough*.

    And, the conspiracy theories! We all stayed up late BBSing and listening to Bell -- and writing about remote viewing, the illuminati, the globalist bank cartel, the people who kept UFOs under wraps, and the aliens that walk among us.


    We didn't have Art Bell in Australia, but this kind of stuff is what I found on the late 90's internet. Websites about aliens on the moon, weird theories and beliefs of the Heavens Gate cult, Bob Black, the Church of Slack, UFO stuff, prophecies, etc.

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 18 09:54:12 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Margaerynne on Tue May 17 2022 06:09 pm

    That might be the divider. Were you in a hub back then?

    Hard to get a BBS going when everyone around is either a farmer, a 50-something rocket scientist, or too poor to afford a computer, I guess

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to Boraxman on Wed May 18 09:55:19 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on Wed May 18 2022 07:32 pm

    Where did you live in the 90s?

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to MRO on Wed May 18 10:30:26 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Tue May 17 2022 07:31 pm

    hope you dont have a lot of moisture in your basement.

    No worries about static discharge.

    And things have been running down there for 25 years now.

    This is my third BBS, but my first basement. My first BBS ran on a TRS-80
    Model III with a 300bps modem.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Kevin Driscoll@VERT/CAVEBBS to Margaerynne on Wed May 18 10:55:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 17 2022 03:57 pm

    Yet when I find people in that age range -- even the old techies! -- and ask about BBSes, I get a confused look and a "No, we really only just used computers for college."

    Totally. Relatively few people owned a PC and even fewer owned a modem. But *if* someone owned a modem, there was a good chance they were getting up on BBSs.

    Part of that might be regional, seeing as how I'm from the middle part of th country, but I'm still stunned. Even people who can rattle off their old PC specs from memory don't seem to remember BBSes.

    I think you're right about the regionalism. If you lived near a big, densely-settled metro, there were going to be a lot more boards in your local calling area. Plus, BBSing seemed to spread through word of mouth. Some folks who would have enjoyed it just never learned that BBSs existed.

    I grew up in central MA where BBSs were fairly plentiful. I learned about
    them from friends at the local (tabletop) gaming shop.

    Kevin

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Belly on Wed May 18 11:52:04 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 10:30 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Tue May 17 2022 07:31 pm

    hope you dont have a lot of moisture in your basement.

    No worries about static discharge.

    And things have been running down there for 25 years now.

    This is my third BBS, but my first basement. My first BBS ran on a TRS-80 Model III with a 300bps modem.

    I don't mean because of the static i mean because of the moisture.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Tue May 17 13:08:05 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Denn to Boraxman on Sun May 15 2022 09:16 pm

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of households had a computer at the time, so still not everyone knew
    about BBSes. There were so many BBSes in my area though, and it has
    been sad to see them all pretty muc disappear except for a select few.

    You copied a paragraph I wrote to someone else and pasted it verbatim in your reply to boraxman.. ?

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Wed May 18 07:05:00 2022
    Boraxman wrote to Margaerynne <=-

    Only one of my friends used BBSs. He was the one that introduced me to them when I was loaned a 386 with a modem. I think another *may* have used them, but it was a niche thing, and this was in the 90's.

    My company ran a 120-node dial-up WAN connecting cash registers to a
    central hub. When they upgraded from 2400 to 9600 baud, they dumped
    the old modem. A dozen or so ended up in my car, and at get-togethers
    we used to give out modems with a floppy disk loaded with COMMO, and
    a dialing directory full of *our* BBSes, with the idea people would
    give them to their friends who didn't know about BBSing.

    We got a couple of people into the scene who got a modem from
    someone, so it seemed to work.



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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to MRO on Wed May 18 17:21:20 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Wed May 18 2022 11:52 am

    I don't mean because of the static i mean because of the moisture.

    There's no problem with static because of the... Nevermind. This conversation is pointless.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MARGAERYNNE on Wed May 18 16:42:00 2022
    That's the most shocking thing to me, as a young'un. Reading BBS literature, i
    seems that, back in the 80s, every teenager had one running in their basement

    Yet when I find people in that age range -- even the old techies! -- and ask about BBSes, I get a confused look and a "No, we really only just used computers for college."

    In the area I lived in at the time (1987-1997), most of the people running full-time BBSes during most of that time would be in their late 70s+ now.
    Most of the people around my age or younger who ran them were either tech geeks, were running on commodores, and/or were running part-time systems
    that didn't stay around long. Big metro area that, during the period circa 1987-1994, probably had 30-40 "big" BBSes running at any one time.

    Where I live now, the BBS phase of online communications sort of got
    skipped. By the time home computers became popular, the internet was available. Many people I know skipped from no online communications, other than at work, to smart phones, skipping the online PC experience all
    together.


    * SLMR 2.1a * The backup's not over 'til the FAT table sings.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Margaerynne on Thu May 19 07:49:05 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to Boraxman on Wed May 18 2022 09:55 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on Wed May 18 2022 07:32 pm

    Where did you live in the 90s?


    Melbourne, Australia. I'm still here.

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to Dumas Walker on Wed May 18 20:27:40 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to MARGAERYNNE on Wed May 18 2022 04:42 pm

    Where I live now, the BBS phase of online communications sort of got skipped.

    It's honestly sort of a bummer. Maybe things would be better if long-distance communication was on a smaller scale like that, rather than through giant megacorp social networks?

    Granted, the 80s and 90s weren't exactly a time of harmony and understanding either, so that might be a pipe dream.


    Also, there's definitely that selection bias with BBS nostalgia. Most people who are too old to post on the internet are probably not posting on the internet with their experiences.

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to Boraxman on Wed May 18 20:31:06 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on Thu May 19 2022 07:49 am

    Melbourne, Australia. I'm still here.

    Supporting my last comment, there's something still indescribably cool about having this conversation right now.

    Now I'm realizing I know basically nothing about the development of phone service / early networks in Australia, which might be fun to look into.


    If you don't mind me asking, do you have any particularly fond memories from that time?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Wed May 18 12:28:58 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on Wed May 18 2022 07:32 pm

    Only one of my friends used BBSs. He was the one that introduced me to them when I was loaned a 386 with a modem. I think another *may* have used them, but it was a niche thing, and this was in the 90's.

    Back then, it seemed that home computers in general were a bit of a niche thing, at least until the mid 90s. But among computer users, I thought BBS usage was a relatively common thing. In the 90s, I knew several people who used BBSes, or at lest knew what they were. Among other things, BBSes were a fairly common way to find new software for your computer. The shareware concept was fairly common back then.

    I was actually surprised when I was takling to a computer-savvy friend of mine in 1994 and I told him I had started running a BBS, and he didn't know what a BBS was.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Kevin Driscoll on Wed May 18 12:31:47 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Kevin Driscoll to Margaerynne on Wed May 18 2022 10:55 am

    I grew up in central MA where BBSs were fairly plentiful. I learned about them from friends at the local (tabletop) gaming shop.

    There were many BBSes in my area in the 90s too. I had learned about BBSes from family (my dad and older brother both used computers) and got a modem with my first (hand-me-down) computer in 1992.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Belly on Wed May 18 22:54:03 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 05:21 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Wed May 18 2022 11:52 am

    I don't mean because of the static i mean because of the moisture.

    There's no problem with static because of the... Nevermind. This conversation is pointless.


    MOISTURE. NOT STATIC.

    https://i.imgur.com/ac80acu.png

    ^^^
    moisture no bueno
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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to MRO on Thu May 19 01:07:20 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Wed May 18 2022 10:54 pm

    Not everyone lives in the same climate, you know?

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Margaerynne on Thu May 19 19:13:45 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to Boraxman on Wed May 18 2022 08:31 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on Thu May 19 2022 07:49 am

    Melbourne, Australia. I'm still here.

    Supporting my last comment, there's something still indescribably cool about having this conversation right now.

    Now I'm realizing I know basically nothing about the development of phone service / early networks in Australia, which might be fun to look into.


    If you don't mind me asking, do you have any particularly fond memories from that time?


    If you mean from my experience with BBSs? Or from the mid 90's when I started using them?

    I had an Amstrad PC2386/65 on a table in my room. When I was introduced to BBS's (I was reluctant to try them out because I thought I'd be charged fees!) I was mostly shown the files areas. I do remember chatting, but it was a cool way to get new shareware and freeware games, MOD music, midi's, demos and utilities.

    One memory I had with a BBS, was when I uploaded a freeware game "bananoid" I think it was, and when it came to enter the filename, it just entered "UPLOAD" automatically. Any subsequent time I want to upload, it would automatically put "upload" as the filename and then complain it was taken. I thought I broke the BBS!

    I was at school the next day and it came up in conversation, and I mentioned I was the one who uploaded that file. He joked (I think a joke?) that I broke the BBS. I was worried that I stuffed it up! I logged back on, and I can't remember whether I sent a message or not, but the problem was fixed and it wasn't anything I did.

    It coincided with a pretty good time in my life, so yes many many fond memories.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Thu May 19 19:16:45 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Wed May 18 2022 12:28 pm

    Back then, it seemed that home computers in general were a bit of a niche thing, at least until the mid 90s. But among computer users, I thought BBS usage was a relatively common thing. In the 90s, I knew several people who used BBSes, or at lest knew what they were. Among other things, BBSes were fairly common way to find new software for your computer. The shareware concept was fairly common back then.

    I was actually surprised when I was takling to a computer-savvy friend of mi in 1994 and I told him I had started running a BBS, and he didn't know what BBS was.

    Nightfox

    A few people I knew had home computers. My uncle was a little bit of an enthusiast, he had an expensive PC and a modem, which I later was in possession of. I was 15 when I started using BBS's, so it wasn't a common hobby amongst my peers. Perhaps amongst adults it was more common.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Margaerynne on Thu May 19 12:02:24 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to MRO on Thu May 19 2022 01:07 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Wed May 18 2022 10:54 pm

    Not everyone lives in the same climate, you know?


    learn to quote
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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to MRO on Thu May 19 11:50:54 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Wed May 18 2022 10:54 pm

    MOISTURE. NOT STATIC.

    still pointless.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Belly on Thu May 19 14:14:04 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to MRO on Thu May 19 2022 11:50 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Wed May 18 2022 10:54 pm

    MOISTURE. NOT STATIC.

    still pointless.

    i literally sent you a screenshot about the affects of moisture on computer components.

    "Electronic devices, printed circuit boards, components and data are highly sensitive to humidity levels. Insufficient, excessive and inconsistent humidity levels cause damage and defects in electronic components and pose safety concerns due to electrostatic discharge, de-soldering occurrences and brittle components."

    "Is Humidity Bad for Your Electronics?
    We all know how important it is to keep our electronics away from water. But what about humidity?

    Humidity is the amount of water vapor in the air. Most humans prefer indoor conditions to be between 30% and 50% humidity. This is also the ideal range for electronics.

    In environments where the humidity is higher than 50%, electronics are susceptible to damage.

    What happens to electronics if the humidity is too high?
    If the humidity is too high in a room, it can cause damage to the internal components of the electronics. The biggest thing to look out for is condensation. Condensation forms when warm air comes in contact with a cool surface. When condensation forms within the electrical components, it can cause rust and corrosion to form, which can be damaging to electronics.

    High heat and high humidity are two things that often go hand in hand. While most computers and other electronics have internal fans to help circulate air, they won't work properly if the room temperature is too high. Keeping the air temperature down will not only help the fans to cool the electronics more efficiently, but it will also help keep humidity down as well."


    "The Electronic Industry
    In the electronic industry, printed wirings get corroded due to presence of high humidity. Transistors
    may break down or suffer a decrease in longetivity and the uniform growth of crystals is unachievable.
    "


    this is just some junk anybody can search for.

    not pointless.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MARGAERYNNE on Thu May 19 15:58:00 2022
    Where I live now, the BBS phase of online communications sort of got skipped.

    Granted, the 80s and 90s weren't exactly a time of harmony and understanding either, so that might be a pipe dream.

    Just to clarify, where I live now is more rural (but also the state capital city) than where I came from. Not sure it was a lack of harmony and understanding so much as it was a general lack of need or desire to have a
    PC in the house.


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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to MRO on Thu May 19 19:15:37 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Thu May 19 2022 02:14 pm

    i literally sent you a screenshot about the affects of moisture on computer components.

    Please remind me of your point, again? I did own an electronics repair shop for almost 20 years.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Thu May 19 07:24:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to MARGAERYNNE <=-

    In the area I lived in at the time (1987-1997), most of the people
    running full-time BBSes during most of that time would be in their late 70s+ now.

    Sysop obituaries are becoming more common in Fidonet. It's a shame,
    one would hope that institutional memory gets captured somewhere.

    It's a shame that the networks are so ephemeral; I hope archive.org
    can find some BBS echomail archives of the 80s and 90s.

    Where I live now, the BBS phase of online communications sort of got skipped. By the time home computers became popular, the internet was available. Many people I know skipped from no online communications, other than at work, to smart phones, skipping the online PC experience
    all together.

    I hadn't thought of that, the early 2000s feel like they were a high
    point for pc-focused communications. Everyone had a blog, and
    LiveJournal was king back then.

    That was just about the time that Danger came out with the Sidekick,
    and you saw the first moblogs. It feels like it's been all mobile
    since then.





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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Belly on Fri May 20 17:21:07 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to MRO on Thu May 19 2022 07:15 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Thu May 19 2022 02:14 pm

    i literally sent you a screenshot about the affects of moisture on computer components.

    Please remind me of your point, again? I did own an electronics repair shop for almost 20 years.


    i don't understand that you don't understand my point. i've repeated myself about 3 times.

    if you don't remember your own posts you can use command keys to go back in synchronet.

    now pay attention:

    you said you have computers in your basement.
    i said be careful for humidity.

    now read that 3 times.

    regarding your owning an electronics repair shop, that means nothing.
    i've been an electronics tech for longer than that.

    i've seen you clowns do horrible things with electronics, and your ignorance towards storage on electronic components cements my stance on you people.

    i've seen total disregard for ESD (not wearing wrist straps, walking around holding components), human oil transfer to components, and utter overall stupidity in the handling of electronics.

    now i know what you're thinking.

    you don't understand my point.

    you said you have computers in your basement.
    i said be careful for humidity.


    you said you have computers in your basement.
    i said be careful for humidity.


    you said you have computers in your basement.
    i said be careful for humidity.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 20 17:22:18 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Thu May 19 2022 07:24 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to MARGAERYNNE <=-

    In the area I lived in at the time (1987-1997), most of the people running full-time BBSes during most of that time would be in their late 70s+ now.

    Sysop obituaries are becoming more common in Fidonet. It's a shame,
    one would hope that institutional memory gets captured somewhere.



    i used to do sysop obituaries on bbsnews.org but i stopped working on that site.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Moondog on Fri May 20 17:54:26 2022
    On 5/9/22 11:36, Moondog wrote:
    I don't want to be the guy, but maybe 91-92 was the golden age, but
    BBS was there before that. 78 could be the start, I guess. A friend
    started his around 83.

    By 91, every area had more than one local BBS, and 2400 baud modems
    could be bought for cheap at the Electronics Boutique in the mall.
    ISP's didn't take over in my area until 96-97. Getting Windows 95
    was the main reason many of our customers chose to upgrade. they
    have been happy with their 386's and 486's with 2400 baud modems,
    and were forced to move to a Pentium and a 14.4k modem

    Even 14.4 was pretty painful once the web started. All I can remember
    is Real Player ("Buffering...") and Windows updates taking hours and
    hours... once I had a friend with a cable modem, I'd just take my
    computer to his place once a month to run updates... even with the teardown/drive/setup/update/teardown/drive/setup it was still way
    faster. Did run a 33.6 for a long while once I could afford it.
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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to MRO on Fri May 20 21:32:48 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Fri May 20 2022 05:21 pm

    i don't understand that you don't understand my point. i've repeated myself

    if you don't remember your own posts you can use command keys to go back in

    Are you sure I'm the one who doesn't remember posts?

    now pay attention:

    No, you pay attention. I said that I've run servers in that basement for 25 years now. I also store other electronics there, including part of my collection of vintage computers, all of which seem to work just fine when I turn them on.

    Perhaps, if you paid attention instead of posting just to hear your keyboard clack, you would realize that if I were having issues, I might have noticed it by now.

    Feel free to refrain from responding to my posts in the future, because you obviously don't read them first.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Sat May 21 13:31:42 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    The early 2000's was indeed good for communcations. We had IRC, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, good forums and blog, websites. It's wierd, back them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. That doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks to have to log into Facebook and have that account to do that.
    Sure, we have Matrix, but back in the MSN Messenger days, everyone was using that or Yahoo. Now its disparate programs for Mobile, like WhatsApp, and they're problematic to say the least.

    I miss having a rather lightweight chat client running in the background.


    i used to just msg random people in my area and talk to them. times were more innocent. now the freaks, male and female took over. they're just looking to cheat on their husbands or wives. now people are less friendly and stick in their circles aside from arguing on news posts.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat May 21 14:22:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to MARGAERYNNE <=-

    In the area I lived in at the time (1987-1997), most of the people running full-time BBSes during most of that time would be in their late 70s+ now.

    Sysop obituaries are becoming more common in Fidonet. It's a shame,
    one would hope that institutional memory gets captured somewhere.

    The network I was on then was probably as big (or bigger) than Fido is now,
    and the BBS software we were using did not have any built-in FTN
    integration. Most of the networked BBSes where I lived were on that
    network. To have that memory captured would probably rely on me having
    some of it still captured somewhere.

    On this machine, I do appear to have some messages that go back as far as
    1992, but many of them are in sysop-only echos, and one is in a beta test
    echo where we were not supposed to share the information contained within
    with the public. :)

    On an older machine, I bet I have some more.

    It's a shame that the networks are so ephemeral; I hope archive.org
    can find some BBS echomail archives of the 80s and 90s.

    Back then, I would have been on a range of systems from a 30MB to a 240MB storage capacity. I think lots of older messages were probably lost due to message base trimming.

    Where I live now, the BBS phase of online communications sort of got skipped. By the time home computers became popular, the internet was available. Many people I know skipped from no online communications, other than at work, to smart phones, skipping the online PC experience all together.

    I hadn't thought of that, the early 2000s feel like they were a high
    point for pc-focused communications. Everyone had a blog, and
    LiveJournal was king back then.

    That was just about the time that Danger came out with the Sidekick,
    and you saw the first moblogs. It feels like it's been all mobile
    since then.

    Yes. Some of these folks may never have (knowingly) even used a web
    browser. To them, the internet is apps.... facebook, amazon, tik-tok, etc.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Sat May 21 17:44:32 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    I miss having a rather lightweight chat client running in the background.

    TRILLIAN WAS MY JAM.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Boraxman on Sat May 21 21:20:52 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. That doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks to

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to MRO on Sat May 21 21:22:10 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Belly on Fri May 20 2022 11:26 pm

    you're still the same idiot from years ago. fuck off.

    Thanks for the laugh. When I decide to do that, I'll make sure you're the first to know.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Boraxman on Sat May 21 22:15:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Thu May 19 2022 07:24 am

    I hadn't thought of that, the early 2000s feel like they were a high
    point for pc-focused communications. Everyone had a blog, and
    LiveJournal was king back then.

    That was just about the time that Danger came out with the Sidekick,
    and you saw the first moblogs. It feels like it's been all mobile
    since then.

    The early 2000's was indeed good for communcations. We had IRC, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, good forums and blog, websites. It's wierd, bac them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. That doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks to have to log into Facebook and have that account to do that.
    Sure, we have Matrix, but back in the MSN Messenger days, everyone was using that or Yahoo. Now its disparate programs for Mobile, like WhatsApp, and they're problematic to say the least.

    I miss having a rather lightweight chat client running in the background.


    I have a cousin that worked at a radio station in the evenings in Olean, NY. Their radio station had a website, and link to a chat room on some service I can't remember. The music was mostly automated, however he would go on the chat and ask folk to select and vote on songs to play. On occasion his
    mother would appear on chat, and she wouldn't say much around strangers. Usua lly it was later in his shift it would get quiet, and they would chat.

    When my uncle retired, he would wake up at 4:30 in the morning like he had
    for most his working life. He would have breakfast, then get on Yahoo games and play Euchre against players in Australia and New Zealand. The early
    2000's was a great time to be on the internet. I originally got into BBS' in 1991 after i bought a 2400 baud internal modem for $65 at Electronics
    Boutique (they later became part of EB Games.) I used Procomm Plus, and in
    the early to mid 90's there were several BBS's in my area. They all
    connected to Fido-net for mail, and usually around midnight the board would
    be inaccessible due to it sending and receiving mail with whatever acted as their central mail server. My buddy gave me sysop access, but I never used
    it. I did have the ability to monitor mail and private message threads. We h ad quite a few gamers on the board, and some were either the kids or younger brothers and sisters of other members. We had to keep an eye out for sexual predators and there was a teenage girl that liked to flirt and talk dirty
    with other users. At first I chalked it off to some old dude pretending
    he's a 14 year old, but later I heard she was real and was stalking a
    friend's younger brother that was 15 or 16. My friend's family lived next
    door to the sysop, and they had a coax ethernet cable between both houses to play games. By 1996, the BBS's began to sign off, and the sysops were now creating their own web sites. Only a few registered a domain. Most were hosted by their ISP of choice or AOL, or Geocities.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Sat May 21 22:17:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 01:31 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    The early 2000's was indeed good for communcations. We had IRC, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, good forums and blog, websites. It's wierd, back them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversatio That doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks to have to log into Facebook and have that account to do that. Sure, we have Matrix, but back in the MSN Messenger days, everyone was us that or Yahoo. Now its disparate programs for Mobile, like WhatsApp, and they're problematic to say the least.

    I miss having a rather lightweight chat client running in the background.


    i used to just msg random people in my area and talk to them. times were mor rom arguing on news posts.

    It used to be exciting to be talking to people from all over the world. My guess is it has become such a casual thing, people are not as polite as they used to be. Poorly moderated chat areas had the worst people.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to TRACKER1 on Sun May 22 10:24:00 2022
    Even 14.4 was pretty painful once the web started. All I can remember
    is Real Player ("Buffering...") and Windows updates taking hours and

    When I was on a modem connection to the internet, I used to avoid trying to watch videos. Since for a lot of that time I was using a DOS machine and
    the Arachne browser, I couldn't play them anyway, but I still avoided them
    when I upgraded to linux.

    Meanwhile, I had a close relative in a similar situation that would always complain about the video lag and ask me to try to fix it. I told them the
    only way to fix it was to upgrade to a non-dial-up provider which, in their area, was cable.

    By the time they did that, their machine and Windows version were not new enough to handle what the video players were playing. :)


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BELLY on Sun May 22 10:43:00 2022
    No, you pay attention. I said that I've run servers in that basement for 25 years now. I also store other electronics there, including part of my collection of vintage computers, all of which seem to work just fine when I turn them on.

    Which begs the question, how do you keep the humidity/moisture levels in
    check? Basements around my part of the country usually require some
    planning to accomplish that.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Sun May 22 21:50:00 2022
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <6289300E.9385.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    @REPLY: <62883A6B.56206.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    The early 2000's was indeed good for communcations. We had IRC, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, good forums and blog, websites. It's wierd, back them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. That doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks to have to log into Facebook and have that account to do that.
    Sure, we have Matrix, but back in the MSN Messenger days, everyone was using that or Yahoo. Now its disparate programs for Mobile, like WhatsApp, and they're problematic to say the least.

    I miss having a rather lightweight chat client running in the background.


    i used to just msg random people in my area and talk to them. times
    were more innocent. now the freaks, male and female took over. they're just looking to cheat on their husbands or wives. now people are less friendly and stick in their circles aside from arguing on news posts.

    I had a random person or two message me, and that started up some interesting conversations. A couple of them I continued to chat with for months afterwards, perhaps longer. One was a teenager who was into System of a Down, and had his own band, another a smart guy into philosophy.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Belly on Sun May 22 21:52:00 2022
    Belly wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN
    on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. That doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks to

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    Yes, I do have a Discord account. I don't mind it, though the default client is heavy, and the pidgin plugin lacking a little. The problem is, other people I knew, friends, family were also on MSN back in the day. They aren't on Discord.

    Discord has been got to arrange some Quake and Quake 2 multiplayer games.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Moondog on Sun May 22 22:00:00 2022
    Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN
    on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Thu May 19 2022 07:24 am

    I hadn't thought of that, the early 2000s feel like they were a high
    point for pc-focused communications. Everyone had a blog, and
    LiveJournal was king back then.

    That was just about the time that Danger came out with the Sidekick,
    and you saw the first moblogs. It feels like it's been all mobile
    since then.

    The early 2000's was indeed good for communcations. We had IRC, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, good forums and blog, websites. It's wierd, bac them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. That doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks to have to log into Facebook and have that account to do that.
    Sure, we have Matrix, but back in the MSN Messenger days, everyone was using that or Yahoo. Now its disparate programs for Mobile, like WhatsApp, and they're problematic to say the least.

    I miss having a rather lightweight chat client running in the background.


    I have a cousin that worked at a radio station in the evenings in
    Olean, NY. Their radio station had a website, and link to a chat room
    on some service I can't remember. The music was mostly automated,
    however he would go on the chat and ask folk to select and vote on
    songs to play. On occasion his mother would appear on chat, and she wouldn't say much around strangers. Usua lly it was later in his shift
    it would get quiet, and they would chat.

    When my uncle retired, he would wake up at 4:30 in the morning like he
    had for most his working life. He would have breakfast, then get on
    Yahoo games and play Euchre against players in Australia and New
    Zealand. The early 2000's was a great time to be on the internet. I originally got into BBS' in 1991 after i bought a 2400 baud internal
    modem for $65 at Electronics Boutique (they later became part of EB Games.) I used Procomm Plus, and in the early to mid 90's there were several BBS's in my area. They all connected to Fido-net for mail, and usually around midnight the board would be inaccessible due to it
    sending and receiving mail with whatever acted as their central mail server. My buddy gave me sysop access, but I never used it. I did
    have the ability to monitor mail and private message threads. We h ad quite a few gamers on the board, and some were either the kids or
    younger brothers and sisters of other members. We had to keep an eye
    out for sexual predators and there was a teenage girl that liked to
    flirt and talk dirty with other users. At first I chalked it off to
    some old dude pretending he's a 14 year old, but later I heard she was real and was stalking a friend's younger brother that was 15 or 16. My friend's family lived next door to the sysop, and they had a coax
    ethernet cable between both houses to play games. By 1996, the BBS's began to sign off, and the sysops were now creating their own web
    sites. Only a few registered a domain. Most were hosted by their ISP
    of choice or AOL, or Geocities.
    ---

    I like how you had the coax between the two houses. I considered running a network cable from my house to a friends house, but he lived a block away, and I'd have to run nearly 100m of cable over the roofs of shops and over the street. We seriously considered it, but didn't have the length of cable necessary (it probably would have needed a repeater in between), and having the cable cross the road (it was a busy road) would have been surely in violation of local laws.


    ... Got my tie caught in the fax... Suddenly I was in L.A.
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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Dumas Walker on Sun May 22 12:59:31 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to BELLY on Sun May 22 2022 10:43 am

    Which begs the question, how do you keep the humidity/moisture levels in check? Basements around my part of the country usually require some planning to accomplish that.

    Oh, that's easy. I run a dehumidifier down there, which keeps it at about
    60% relative, about the same as the main house.. Which sounds high, until you consider that outdoors, here, the relative humidity is currently 93%.


    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Boraxman on Sun May 22 13:09:03 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 09:52 pm

    Yes, I do have a Discord account. I don't mind it, though the default clien is heavy, and the pidgin plugin lacking a little. The problem is, other peo I knew, friends, family were also on MSN back in the day. They aren't on Discord.

    A couple of years back, I started a Discord server and invited all of the gang that I used to BBS with back during the last century, and then expanded it to the old members of the Facebook group a decade ago, before I decided to wise up and run far away from FB. It's pretty active, and much easier to operate than
    a BBS, on a mobile device, for sure.

    Discord has been got to arrange some Quake and Quake 2 multiplayer games.

    It's definitely great for that... Voice chat, screen sharing, etc. I need to play Q/Q2/Q3 again. It's been ages!

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to MRO on Sun May 22 16:00:26 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 01:31 pm

    now people are less friendly and stick in
    their circles aside from arguing on news posts.

    It's honestly pretty rough, isn't it?
    Guess some things don't change, though. People like yelling at each other over the internet too much?

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to Moondog on Sun May 22 16:02:58 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sat May 21 2022 10:17 pm

    It used to be exciting to be talking to people from all over the world. My guess is it has become such a casual thing, people are not as polite as they used to be.

    Funnily enough, I was just thinking that about old emails from the 90s.

    Nowadays, everyone is a little suspicious of what they write. Back then, it seems people would just toss whatever the hell onto a company email server and forget about it.

    If you're ever bored, the Enron corpus is all publicly out there, and enjoyably eye-opening!

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sun May 22 16:42:20 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Sat May 21 2022 10:17 pm


    i used to just msg random people in my area and talk to them. times were mor rom arguing on news posts.

    It used to be exciting to be talking to people from all over the world. My guess is it has become such a casual thing, people are not as polite as they used to be. Poorly moderated chat areas had the worst people.


    yeah we dont do that anymore and i think we suffer because of it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Margaerynne on Sun May 22 16:44:50 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to MRO on Sun May 22 2022 04:00 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 01:31 pm

    now people are less friendly and stick in
    their circles aside from arguing on news posts.

    It's honestly pretty rough, isn't it?
    Guess some things don't change, though. People like yelling at each other over the internet too much?


    animals are hard wired to stick to their own kind. with our big brains we just rationalize it and expand it.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Belly on Sun May 22 17:52:26 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 09:20 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. T doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy


    I doubt boraxman aproves of Discord :-)

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a server of yours, and still requires you to have an account with them.

    Not to mention Discord rapes RAM brutally when compared to nearly any similar solution.

    If I wanted to use a behemoth of a chat system I'd rather use Jitsi Meet. I am not too fond of that one either.

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Belly on Sun May 22 19:49:06 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 05:21 pm

    There's no problem with static because of the... Nevermind. This conversation is pointless.

    If you're really up for a good time, ask him about using compressed air on computers.


    - Andre

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Sun May 22 19:45:40 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 05:52 pm

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a server

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Belly on Mon May 23 09:08:23 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to Boraxman on Sun May 22 2022 01:09 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 09:52 pm

    Yes, I do have a Discord account. I don't mind it, though the default cl is heavy, and the pidgin plugin lacking a little. The problem is, other I knew, friends, family were also on MSN back in the day. They aren't on Discord.

    A couple of years back, I started a Discord server and invited all of the ga that I used to BBS with back during the last century, and then expanded it t the old members of the Facebook group a decade ago, before I decided to wise and run far away from FB. It's pretty active, and much easier to operate tha a BBS, on a mobile device, for sure.

    Discord has been got to arrange some Quake and Quake 2 multiplayer games.

    It's definitely great for that... Voice chat, screen sharing, etc. I need to play Q/Q2/Q3 again. It's been ages!

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy


    I maintain a QuakeWorld and Quake 2 servers, though they sit idle almost all the time. You can get someone to jump on if there are already two players on there. So on occasion when I and my daughter have joined in just to muck around, we've been interrupted by someone jumping in.

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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to Arelor on Mon May 23 00:43:09 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 05:52 pm

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a server of yours, and still requires you to have an account with them.

    The worst part is that you can be banned/removed for violating rules that weren't in place at the time.

    Yet another reason to self-host anything important, and make frequent backups.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Boraxman on Mon May 23 00:05:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Moondog on Sun May 22 2022 10:00 pm

    Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <62899CB8.78429.dove-gen@cavebbs.homeip.net>
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    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN
    on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Thu May 19 2022 07:24 am

    I hadn't thought of that, the early 2000s feel like they were a high
    point for pc-focused communications. Everyone had a blog, and
    LiveJournal was king back then.

    That was just about the time that Danger came out with the Sidekick,
    and you saw the first moblogs. It feels like it's been all mobile
    since then.

    The early 2000's was indeed good for communcations. We had IRC, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, good forums and blog, websites. It's wierd, them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. T doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks have to log into Facebook and have that account to do that.
    Sure, we have Matrix, but back in the MSN Messenger days, everyone was us that or Yahoo. Now its disparate programs for Mobile, like WhatsApp, and they're problematic to say the least.

    I miss having a rather lightweight chat client running in the background.


    I have a cousin that worked at a radio station in the evenings in Olean, NY. Their radio station had a website, and link to a chat room on some service I can't remember. The music was mostly automated, however he would go on the chat and ask folk to select and vote on songs to play. On occasion his mother would appear on chat, and she wouldn't say much around strangers. Usua lly it was later in his shift it would get quiet, and they would chat.

    When my uncle retired, he would wake up at 4:30 in the morning like he had for most his working life. He would have breakfast, then get on Yahoo games and play Euchre against players in Australia and New Zealand. The early 2000's was a great time to be on the internet. I originally got into BBS' in 1991 after i bought a 2400 baud internal modem for $65 at Electronics Boutique (they later became part of EB Games.) I used Procomm Plus, and in the early to mid 90's there were several BBS's in my area. They all connected to Fido-net for mail, and usually around midnight the board would be inaccessible due to it sending and receiving mail with whatever acted as their central mail server. My buddy gave me sysop access, but I never used it. I did have the ability to monitor mail and private message threads. We h ad quite a few gamers on the board, and some were either the kids or younger brothers and sisters of other members. We had to keep an eye out for sexual predators and there was a teenage girl that liked to flirt and talk dirty with other users. At first I chalked it off to some old dude pretending he's a 14 year old, but later I heard she was real and was stalking a friend's younger brother that was 15 or 16. My friend's family lived next door to the sysop, and they had a coax ethernet cable between both houses to play games. By 1996, the BBS's began to sign off, and the sysops were now creating their own web sites. Only a few registered a domain. Most were hosted by their ISP of choice or AOL, or Geocities.
    ---

    I like how you had the coax between the two houses. I considered running a network cable from my house to a friends house, but he lived a block away, a I'd have to run nearly 100m of cable over the roofs of shops and over the street. We seriously considered it, but didn't have the length of cable necessary (it probably would have needed a repeater in between), and having cable cross the road (it was a busy road) would have been surely in violatio of local laws.


    ... Got my tie caught in the fax... Suddenly I was in L.A.

    The distance between houses was about 50-75 feet.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Arelor on Mon May 23 19:33:44 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 05:52 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 09:20 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 21 2022 11:03 am

    them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it suc

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy


    I doubt boraxman aproves of Discord :-)

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a server of yours, and still requires you to have an account with them.

    Not to mention Discord rapes RAM brutally when compared to nearly any simila solution.

    If I wanted to use a behemoth of a chat system I'd rather use Jitsi Meet. I not too fond of that one either.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken


    You are indeed right, I'm not fond of bloated proprietary chat systems which are still centrally controlled. MSN was, but at least the client was relatively light.

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 23 05:18:53 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun May 22 2022 07:45 pm

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    Video chat, voice chat, safe embedded images, proper authentication security, game streaming, and so on and so on.

    IRC is an extremely basic chatroom, and it barely even functions as that.


    - Andre

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 23 07:46:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a server

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andre on Mon May 23 06:24:00 2022
    Andre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Video chat, voice chat, safe embedded images, proper authentication security, game streaming, and so on and so on.

    IRC is an extremely basic chatroom, and it barely even functions as
    that.

    I suppose the problem is that I don't need much more than IRC. your
    mileage may vary.

    https://xkcd.com/1782/



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Mon May 23 06:26:00 2022
    Boraxman wrote to Belly <=-

    I maintain a QuakeWorld and Quake 2 servers, though they sit idle
    almost all the time. You can get someone to jump on if there are
    already two players on there.

    I load up my Quake2 server client every once in a while to see if a
    server I played RELIGIOUSLY from 1997-1999 is still up.

    I think it's called Tastyspleen:city1. If anyone here jumps on it, let me
    know!




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Margaerynne on Mon May 23 06:30:00 2022
    Margaerynne wrote to Arelor <=-

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a server of yours, and still requires you to have an account with them.

    "How can we say we're federated, but not be federated?"

    Yet another reason to self-host anything important, and make frequent backups.

    Amen. You don't own the cloud.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Mon May 23 11:41:17 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Mon May 23 2022 07:33 pm

    server of yours, and still requires you to have an account with them.

    Not to mention Discord rapes RAM brutally when compared to nearly any simila solution.

    If I wanted to use a behemoth of a chat system I'd rather use Jitsi Meet. I not too fond of that one either.

    --


    i'm looking at task msgr now

    discord is doing nothing and using 150mb of ram.
    hex chat is doing nothing and connected to several servers and using 7mb
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 23 13:39:57 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun May 22 2022 07:45 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 05:52 pm

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosyste to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a serv

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.


    IRC does what I need it to do, but IRC does not attempt to be Discord and Discord does not attempt to be IRC.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Margaerynne on Mon May 23 13:42:44 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to Arelor on Mon May 23 2022 12:43 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 05:52 pm

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosyst to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a ser of yours, and still requires you to have an account with them.

    The worst part is that you can be banned/removed for violating rules that weren't in place at the time.

    Yet another reason to self-host anything important, and make frequent backup


    I have heard that people developing bots and such are regularly hit by this sort of issue. There was a nice article regarding why developing Discord tools was suicidal. The summary was that you start deploying solutions that only work on a platform that may kick you out with no recourse, voiding all your work (similar as to how Patreons, OnlyFans and Youtubes of this world go).


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Gamgee on Mon May 23 13:49:43 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 23 2022 07:46 am

    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Arelor <=-

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosyst to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a ser

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)


    I am sure there is a lot of that :-)

    I use IRC most of the time to stay in touch with friends and talk about tech stuff in certain tech channels. There are tasks for which text only does not cut it, or does not work as well as a platform with multimedia capabilities.

    For example, I invited my friends from the US to my birthday virtual party and we had a blast playing boardgames online. Voice chat made it possible to discuss plays and explain how the games worked in a more agile way than text chat. Text chat could have done it, but it would have been a bit worse.

    Roleplaying games are another example. You can run roleplaying games over text only chat with some bot for rolling the dice. The medium is a bit too slow so action sequences lose momentum. A voice chat application in which you can integrate a dice bot works better.

    Mumble works very well for those scenarios.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BELLY on Mon May 23 17:57:00 2022
    Oh, that's easy. I run a dehumidifier down there, which keeps it at about
    60% relative, about the same as the main house.. Which sounds high, until you consider that outdoors, here, the relative humidity is currently 93%.

    Ick. 93% makes 60% sound great. :)


    * SLMR 2.1a * Never judge a man by his taglines.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Mon May 23 18:02:00 2022
    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)

    This.


    * SLMR 2.1a * I'm NOT unemployed. ....I'm a consultant.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Mon May 23 15:37:27 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to BELLY on Sun May 22 2022 10:43 am

    Which begs the question, how do you keep the humidity/moisture levels in check? Basements around my part of the country usually require some planning to accomplish that.

    A de-humidifier might work. I've even seen some air conditioners that just have a de-humidify mode.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Margaerynne on Mon May 23 15:39:31 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to MRO on Sun May 22 2022 04:00 pm

    It's honestly pretty rough, isn't it?
    Guess some things don't change, though. People like yelling at each other over the internet too much?

    And on BBS message networks too..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 23 15:42:16 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun May 22 2022 07:45 pm

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the
    ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is
    actually not a server

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    I haven't used Discord a whole lot, but one thing about Discord is that you can see all of the conversation history even if you log out and log back in again. With IRC, you won't be able to see any of the conversation you missed while you were not connected.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andre on Mon May 23 15:43:41 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Andre to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 23 2022 05:18 am

    IRC is an extremely basic chatroom, and it barely even functions as that.

    What do you mean when you say IRC barely even functions as that?

    Nightfox

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Margaerynne on Tue May 24 07:50:06 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to Arelor on Mon May 23 2022 12:43 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 05:52 pm

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosyst to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a ser of yours, and still requires you to have an account with them.

    The worst part is that you can be banned/removed for violating rules that weren't in place at the time.

    Yet another reason to self-host anything important, and make frequent backup


    My general rule is, don't trust Big Tech, don't trust Californians or Americans, and especially don't trust people who have "values".

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Nightfox on Mon May 23 19:02:44 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Andre on Mon May 23 2022 03:43 pm

    What do you mean when you say IRC barely even functions as that?

    Significant learning curve, error-prone authentication methods, generally lacking with security features for its users, lack of history, etc.


    - Andre

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon May 23 21:19:14 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon May 23 2022 03:37 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to BELLY on Sun May 22 2022 10:43 am

    Which begs the question, how do you keep the humidity/moisture levels in check? Basements around my part of the country usually require some planning to accomplish that.

    A de-humidifier might work. I've even seen some air conditioners that just have a de-humidify mode.


    HEY GUISE! HE'S BEEN DOING IT 20 YEARS WITH NO PROBLEMS!

    20 WHOLE YEARS. NO PROBLEMS.

    HE DOESN'T GET YOUR POINT.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon May 23 21:19:59 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Margaerynne on Mon May 23 2022 03:39 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to MRO on Sun May 22 2022 04:00 pm

    It's honestly pretty rough, isn't it?
    Guess some things don't change, though. People like yelling at each other over the internet too much?

    And on BBS message networks too..


    What sucks is i only have like 6 people to yell at on bbses, on fb i have like 6 million!
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon May 23 21:20:36 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 23 2022 03:42 pm


    I haven't used Discord a whole lot, but one thing about Discord is that you can see all of the conversation history even if you log out and log back in again. With IRC, you won't be able to see any of the conversation you missed while you were not connected.


    i guess you havent used irc much either because i've been using znc for a loooong time
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Mon May 23 21:21:39 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on Tue May 24 2022 07:50 am

    Re: Re: Hello


    My general rule is, don't trust Big Tech, don't trust Californians or Americans, and especially don't trust people who have "values".

    just dont trust jewish tech people, or people with ties to them.
    that seems to be the road to evil.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Arelor on Mon May 23 21:16:00 2022
    Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the ecosyst to the point that if you set your own "server" it is actually not a ser

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)

    I am sure there is a lot of that :-)

    I use IRC most of the time to stay in touch with friends and talk
    about tech stuff in certain tech channels. There are tasks for
    which text only does not cut it, or does not work as well as a
    platform with multimedia capabilities.

    I use IRC a lot too, but I do realize that what you say is true.
    Sometimes, a multimedia platform is better, for some people.

    For example, I invited my friends from the US to my birthday
    virtual party and we had a blast playing boardgames online. Voice
    chat made it possible to discuss plays and explain how the games
    worked in a more agile way than text chat. Text chat could have
    done it, but it would have been a bit worse.

    Yep, I can see that. Text is too slow for some things, no doubt.

    Roleplaying games are another example. You can run roleplaying
    games over text only chat with some bot for rolling the dice. The
    medium is a bit too slow so action sequences lose momentum. A
    voice chat application in which you can integrate a dice bot
    works better.

    Mumble works very well for those scenarios.

    I'm sure it does. I will just say that I'm happy with what IRC does for
    me, and really don't need any of those other things.

    This conversation strikes me as a metaphor for what happened to BBS's,
    about 25 years ago. A mostly text medium got replaced with a fancy new graphical thing, called the WWW. ;-)



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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Dumas Walker on Mon May 23 21:38:19 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Mon May 23 2022 06:02 pm

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)

    This.

    Hey, *I* need pretty pictures and video. If that makes me a kid, then *added bonus* :)

    Discord might not be for everyone, but it works for me. The 170MB it's using right now is a drop in the pond, compared to the total memory footprint of everything running on my desktop right now.

    Discord was wonderful during 2020 for keeping in touch with core friends and family.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 24 10:15:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <628B9BB8.51435.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    @REPLY: <628AC267.56249.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to Belly <=-

    I maintain a QuakeWorld and Quake 2 servers, though they sit idle
    almost all the time. You can get someone to jump on if there are
    already two players on there.

    I load up my Quake2 server client every once in a while to see if a
    server I played RELIGIOUSLY from 1997-1999 is still up.

    I think it's called Tastyspleen:city1. If anyone here jumps on it, let
    me
    know!

    Tastyspleen is still going! I did jump on it on weekends, but now not so much.
    I might hop back on.

    I'm known as "borax man" there too. Its the only Quake 2 server with regular players, but as I'm in Australia, the ping times put me at a distinct disadvantage.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to MRO on Tue May 24 10:19:00 2022
    MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <628BB92D.9409.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    @REPLY: <628B54F8.56260.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Mon May 23 2022 07:33 pm

    server of yours, and still requires you to have an account with them.

    Not to mention Discord rapes RAM brutally when compared to nearly any simila solution.

    If I wanted to use a behemoth of a chat system I'd rather use Jitsi Meet. I not too fond of that one either.

    --


    i'm looking at task msgr now

    discord is doing nothing and using 150mb of ram.
    hex chat is doing nothing and connected to several servers and using
    7mb ---

    I'm surprised Discord is that low. I'll check my usage, but I was sure it was higher, but that was when it was in use. It does take a while to load, though my system is "slow" by todays standards.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Andre on Tue May 24 10:55:00 2022
    Andre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    @MSGID: <628B5F8D.8173.dove-general@bbs.radiomentor.org>
    @REPLY: <628AF554.51425.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor
    on Sun May 22 2022 07:45 pm

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    Video chat, voice chat, safe embedded images, proper authentication security, game streaming, and so on and so on.

    IRC is an extremely basic chatroom, and it barely even functions as
    that.

    The problem is that if you throw in all that stuff into a chat service, it complicates all the clients. Now you don't have a simple chat which is easy to implement.

    You can use a simply Discord client, but then people will expect you to see the animated GIFs, images, video chat.

    "All on one" solutions generally suffer from this problem. There is merit to the "do one thing, and do it well" philosophy.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Tue May 24 11:01:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    @MSGID: <628C0DC8.65606.dove_dove-gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @REPLY: <628AF554.51425.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor
    on Sun May 22 2022 07:45 pm

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the
    ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is
    actually not a server

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    I haven't used Discord a whole lot, but one thing about Discord is that you can see all of the conversation history even if you log out and log back in again. With IRC, you won't be able to see any of the
    conversation you missed while you were not connected.

    That is both a nice, and annoying feature. Discord gives you this long backlog which makes you feel like you've missed out on a lot, but in actually, I rarely need to know what was discussed when I'm not there.

    It is for chat, so not having the entire history is generally not a problem.


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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to MRO on Tue May 24 11:15:00 2022

    ---MRO Said:

    just dont trust jewish tech people, or people with ties to them.
    that seems to be the road to evil.

    I'm sure I'm going to regret this. Why should you not trust Jewish
    tech people?


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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to the doctor on Tue May 24 07:02:05 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: the doctor to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 11:15 am

    I'm sure I'm going to regret this. Why should you not trust Jewish
    tech people?

    It's not much better the the dipshit comment he was responding to.


    - Andre

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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to ANDRE on Tue May 24 14:28:00 2022

    --- ANDRE wrote --- Re: Re: Hello By: the
    doctor to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 11:15 am

    It's not much better the the dipshit comment he was responding to.

    True.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue May 24 08:21:53 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon May 23 2022 09:20 pm

    I haven't used Discord a whole lot, but one thing about Discord is
    that you can see all of the conversation history even if you log out
    and log back in again. With IRC, you won't be able to see any of the
    conversation you missed while you were not connected.

    i guess you havent used irc much either because i've been using znc for a loooong time

    I've been using IRC since 1995. I used to use IRC quite a bit but dropped off in the mid 2000s and haven't really used IRC a whole lot since then.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Tue May 24 08:31:41 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Mon May 23 2022 06:02 pm

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)

    This.

    But what about that?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Boraxman on Tue May 24 08:32:12 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on Tue May 24 2022 07:50 am

    My general rule is, don't trust Big Tech, don't trust Californians or Americans, and especially don't trust people who have "values".

    Californians are Americans.. ;)

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Boraxman on Tue May 24 12:37:07 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 10:19 am


    I'm surprised Discord is that low. I'll check my usage, but I was sure it was higher, but that was when it was in use. It does take a while to load, though my system is "slow" by todays standards.


    now it's 37mb but i just rebooted.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to the doctor on Tue May 24 12:38:07 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: the doctor to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 11:15 am


    ---MRO Said:

    just dont trust jewish tech people, or people with ties to them.
    that seems to be the road to evil.

    I'm sure I'm going to regret this. Why should you not trust Jewish
    tech people?

    that's a stupid question.
    just look at whats happened in the last decade.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue May 24 12:38:53 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 08:21 am


    i guess you havent used irc much either because i've been using znc for a loooong time

    I've been using IRC since 1995. I used to use IRC quite a bit but dropped off in the mid 2000s and haven't really used IRC a whole lot since then.


    but you dont know that most people use a bnc or znc so they have scrollback and other features?
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue May 24 12:46:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

    My general rule is, don't trust Big Tech, don't trust Californians or Americans, and especially don't trust people who have "values".

    Californians are Americans.. ;)

    There are some who may question that statement... ;-)



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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to MRO on Tue May 24 20:41:00 2022

    --MRO said:
    just dont trust jewish tech people, or people with ties to them.
    that seems to be the road to evil.

    I'm sure I'm going to regret this. Why should you not trust Jewish
    tech people?

    that's a stupid question.
    just look at whats happened in the last decade.

    Maybe this is my fault, as I think I must have missed some of the conversation.

    As a former member of the International Jewish Conspiracy, and a computer technician, etc., for many many years... I'm just wondering how the news
    is leaking out.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to the doctor on Tue May 24 15:33:16 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: the doctor to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 08:41 pm


    Maybe this is my fault, as I think I must have missed some of the conversation.

    As a former member of the International Jewish Conspiracy, and a computer technician, etc., for many many years... I'm just wondering how the news
    is leaking out.


    no you apparently have been living under a rock.
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Nightfox on Tue May 24 17:06:06 2022
    Californians are Americans.. ;)


    Unfortunately this is true, and they've been escaping lately.


    - Andre

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BELLY on Tue May 24 17:21:00 2022
    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)

    This.

    Discord was wonderful during 2020 for keeping in touch with core friends and family.

    My comment wasn't directed at Discord in particular, but the general trend
    away from easier to use and/or text based tech in favor of tech that can
    also be more invasive.

    I have never tried Discord myself, so I cannot say with any confidence that
    it is not useful. Sounds like it certainly was for you.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Tue May 24 17:22:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Mon May 23 2022 06:02 pm

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)

    This.

    But what about that?

    That means that any text-only tech, even if upgraded to current security standards, is not going to catch on among most social media users.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Tue May 24 16:48:52 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Tue May 24 2022 05:22 pm

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)

    This.

    But what about that?

    That means that any text-only tech, even if upgraded to current security standards, is not going to catch on among most social media users.

    You may have missed the joke. You replied with just "this", so I was asking about "that". :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Wed May 25 09:08:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <628CFA7C.65630.dove_dove-gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @REPLY: <628C018E.56271.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on
    Tue May 24 2022 07:50 am

    My general rule is, don't trust Big Tech, don't trust Californians or Americans, and especially don't trust people who have "values".

    Californians are Americans.. ;)

    I know, but Californians seem especially crazy, so they get special mention.


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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to MRO on Wed May 25 09:46:00 2022

    --- MRO wrote --- Re: Re: Hello By: the doctor to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 08:41
    pm

    no you apparently have been living under a rock.

    Fine. Don't answer.


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  • From Margaerynne@VERT/BACKWOOD to Arelor on Wed May 25 09:09:25 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Margaerynne on Mon May 23 2022 01:42 pm

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Belly on Tue May 24 06:54:00 2022
    Belly wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Discord might not be for everyone, but it works for me. The 170MB it's using right now is a drop in the pond, compared to the total memory footprint of everything running on my desktop right now.

    "Why when I was a young sysadmin, we ran NNTP, IMAP, SMTP, LDAP and IRC
    in less memory than that! Flibbedyfloo!"



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Tue May 24 06:58:00 2022
    Boraxman wrote to Andre <=-

    You can use a simply Discord client, but then people will expect you to see the animated GIFs, images, video chat.

    Sort of like those Fidonet to Signal gates. Meme posts in Signal end
    up as a URL to an image, which doesn't carry well to a BBS terminal
    session.

    "All on one" solutions generally suffer from this problem. There is
    merit to the "do one thing, and do it well" philosophy.

    Agreed. The only effective "swiss army knife" that I've experienced
    was Netscape Communicator, which, back in 2000, was an effective web
    browser, mail, IRC and news client.

    I like to run a lean environment on the BBS, and loaded Mozilla
    Seamonkey on it; Seamonkey is a continuation of Communicator, and
    it's still a decent multi-tool - and it saves me from running a
    separate email client and IRC client on the BBS box.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to the doctor on Wed May 25 13:15:04 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: the doctor to MRO on Wed May 25 2022 09:46 am


    --- MRO wrote --- Re: Re: Hello By: the doctor to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 08:41
    pm

    no you apparently have been living under a rock.

    Fine. Don't answer.

    no, i'm not going to answer when you throw out the word conspiracy.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 25 13:34:13 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Tue May 24 2022 06:58 am


    I like to run a lean environment on the BBS, and loaded Mozilla
    Seamonkey on it; Seamonkey is a continuation of Communicator, and
    it's still a decent multi-tool - and it saves me from running a
    separate email client and IRC client on the BBS box.


    they've always been mediocre tools. it's okay for when you don't care about running decent software.

    i'm trying chatzilla for the first time on ssl and it wont fetch my ssl cert so that's pretty pathetic. i have a self signed cert. also every time i click to check the cert the actual window grows larger and larger. that's a weird feature.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Wed May 25 17:32:00 2022
    This.

    But what about that?

    That means that any text-only tech, even if upgraded to current security standards, is not going to catch on among most social media users.

    You may have missed the joke. You replied with just "this", so I was asking a
    ut "that". :P

    LOL, sort of like who's on first? :) Yes, I missed it.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ANDRE on Wed May 25 17:51:00 2022
    Californians are Americans.. ;)


    Unfortunately this is true, and they've been escaping lately.

    Most recently, to Portugal, where the natives are getting tired of their Californicating up everything.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Photons have mass? I didn't know they were Catholic...

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE DOCTOR on Wed May 25 17:52:00 2022
    Maybe this is my fault, as I think I must have missed some of the conversation

    As a former member of the International Jewish Conspiracy, and a computer technician, etc., for many many years... I'm just wondering how the news
    is leaking out.

    I am assuming he means the guy who runs Facebook but I am not sure.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again!

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Dumas Walker on Wed May 25 18:56:57 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to ANDRE on Wed May 25 2022 05:51 pm

    Most recently, to Portugal, where the natives are getting tired of their Californicating up everything.

    I read that recently too. And then was told a couple days later that my friend was buying a vacation home in Portugal for his daughter (who lives in Germany).

    Like, I'm not sure they want you there.


    - Andre

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed May 25 23:26:35 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to THE DOCTOR on Wed May 25 2022 05:52 pm

    Maybe this is my fault, as I think I must have missed some of the conversation

    As a former member of the International Jewish Conspiracy, and a computer technician, etc., for many many years... I'm just wondering how the news is leaking out.

    I am assuming he means the guy who runs Facebook but I am not sure.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again!

    that's one of many, but don't baby this guy. he knows.
    or he's a total ignorant moron.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thu May 26 12:09:55 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 23 2022 03:42 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun May 22 2022 07:45 pm

    Have you ever tried Discord? My friends and family use it constantly.

    I certainly think it is awful. They have a tight control of the
    ecosystem to the point that if you set your own "server" it is
    actually not a server

    I'm wondering what IRC didn't do that we needed it to do.

    I haven't used Discord a whole lot, but one thing about Discord is that you can see all of the conversation history even if you log out and log back in again. With IRC, you won't be able to
    see any of the conversation you missed while you were not connected.

    Nightfox


    I used to consider that a disadvantage of IRC, but it is pretty much a solved one.

    First of all, in active channels you don't usually check the backstory anyway (it also applies to Telegram groups) because they move so fast.

    Secondly, if you want to get a hold of the backstory you may use an IRC bouncer or an IRC client running on a shell.

    XMPP probably has an edge over IRC there, though.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Gamgee on Thu May 26 12:17:13 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Gamgee to Arelor on Mon May 23 2022 09:16 pm

    I'm sure it does. I will just say that I'm happy with what IRC does for
    me, and really don't need any of those other things.

    This conversation strikes me as a metaphor for what happened to BBS's,
    about 25 years ago. A mostly text medium got replaced with a fancy new graphical thing, called the WWW. ;-)


    I am disgusted by the modern WWW. The one served over http(s). It is all avertisements and trackers and cookie warnings all around. Then you want to visit some blog and it downloads 25
    megabytes of javascript libraries to draw a fancy background.

    Most forums don't offer much of an edge over traditional venues such as nntp, mailing lists or BBS.

    The web is great for selling things, on the other hand, becuse it is so easy to interface with payment processors and to show images of your products to potential customers.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Thu May 26 12:19:52 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon May 23 2022 09:19 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Margaerynne on Mon May 23 2022 03:39 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Margaerynne to MRO on Sun May 22 2022 04:00 pm

    It's honestly pretty rough, isn't it?
    Guess some things don't change, though. People like yelling at each other over the internet too much?

    And on BBS message networks too..


    What sucks is i only have like 6 people to yell at on bbses, on fb i have like 6 million!


    Paradoxically, your yells in Facebook might be less inpactful to each of those 6 million than to each of the 6 BBS users. It is a supply and demand thing. When you post something in a venue
    with 6 million posters, your post becomes backround noise nobody notices. With only 6 posters, your post is a big percentage of the global traffic of the platform.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thu May 26 12:23:13 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Tue May 24 2022 08:32 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to Margaerynne on Tue May 24 2022 07:50 am

    My general rule is, don't trust Big Tech, don't trust Californians or Americans, and especially don't trust people who have "values".

    Californians are Americans.. ;)

    Nightfox


    I have the suspicion that California is to America what Andalucía is to Spain.

    If Andalucía split off from the rest of Spain there is a whole lot of people who would not care the least XD

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Thu May 26 12:33:06 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to BELLY on Tue May 24 2022 05:21 pm

    The kids today need pretty pictures and videos. ;-)

    This.

    Discord was wonderful during 2020 for keeping in touch with core friends and family.

    My comment wasn't directed at Discord in particular, but the general trend away from easier to use and/or text based tech in favor of tech that can also be more invasive.

    I have never tried Discord myself, so I cannot say with any confidence that it is not useful. Sounds like it certainly was for you.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Monday is a hard way to spend 1/7 of your life.


    I don't think anybody here is saying Discord isn t useful to a degree.

    My biggest issue with Discord is that Discord users are like a virus. They spread an infiltrate digital communities, then they start sucking them dry and eventually move on looking for another
    host.

    It pisses me off no end when I am at, say, a My Little Pony themed IRC channel and somebody shows up and tries to convince everybody to move over to their new Discord server (which is not their
    server, btw). It is like religious zealots moving from door to door and trying to get you to join their sect when you are perfectly fine with your current sect already.

    They remind me of SJWs. They are that bad.

    One's choice of chat platform should be like being vegetarian. It is fine if one is vegetarian, but walking into a restaurant and accusing some kid of being a monster because he is having a
    glass of milk gives a bad name to vegetarians.



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  • From the doctor@VERT/QBBS to DUMAS WALKER on Thu May 26 19:13:00 2022

    --- DUMAS WALKER wrote --- > Maybe this is my fault, as I think I must have missed some of the conversation

    I am assuming he means the guy who runs Facebook but I am not sure.

    Could be...


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu May 26 13:56:43 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu May 26 2022 12:09 pm


    First of all, in active channels you don't usually check the backstory anyway (it also applies to Telegram groups) because they move so fast.

    Secondly, if you want to get a hold of the backstory you may use an IRC bouncer or an IRC client running on a shell.


    if you want i can make you a znc account.
    irc bouncers are usually feature rich and do more than one thing.

    with telegram groups that move fast i just push the icon to move to the bottom of the thread.

    as you know my telegram channel is networked to irc but i have it clear every 12 hrs
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu May 26 13:57:51 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to MRO on Thu May 26 2022 12:19 pm

    Paradoxically, your yells in Facebook might be less inpactful to each of those 6 million than to each of the 6 BBS users. It is a supply and demand thing. When you post something in a venue with 6 million posters, your post becomes backround noise nobody notices. With only 6 posters, your post is a big percentage of the global traffic of the platform.


    yeah since i am a huge troll with powerful botnets i need a lot of attention. also on facebook i've been accused of being a bot. i think bots accused me of being a bot, though.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu May 26 13:58:30 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu May 26 2022 12:23 pm


    I have the suspicion that California is to America what Andalucşa is to Spain.

    If Andalucşa split off from the rest of Spain there is a whole lot of people who would not care the least XD



    if we could get bugs bunny to REALLY saw off florida AND california like the cartoon, that would be great.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu May 26 14:04:07 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Dumas Walker on Thu May 26 2022 12:33 pm

    It pisses me off no end when I am at, say, a My Little Pony themed IRC channel and somebody shows up and tries to convince everybody to move over to their new Discord server (which is not their server, btw). It is like religious zealots moving from door to door and trying to get you to join


    i thought i told you to never mention that!
    act normal! no brony!
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Thu May 26 16:02:18 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Arelor on Thu May 26 2022 01:56 pm

    if you want i can make you a znc account.
    irc bouncers are usually feature rich and do more than one thing.


    Thanks for the offering. I already have a bunch of shell servers for running IRC clients remotely, so I don t need to bother you :-)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Thu May 26 13:46:34 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Gamgee on Thu May 26 2022 12:17 pm

    I am disgusted by the modern WWW. The one served over http(s). It is all avertisements and trackers and cookie warnings all around. Then you want to visit some blog and it downloads 25 megabytes of javascript libraries to draw a fancy background.

    I'm tempted to start an HTTP-only movement; all information is creative-commons licensed, so there's no reason for encryption.

    I used to have a "made with notepad" and "made with vi" images on my website, I hacked it together by hand for the first couple of years.

    I know Google has implied that http-only would start to be lowered in search results and eventually removed altogether.

    Gemini and Gopher are looking pretty good for minimal, text-friendly services.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Thu May 26 13:47:50 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu May 26 2022 12:23 pm

    I have the suspicion that California is to America what Andalucşa is to Spain.

    If Andalucşa split off from the rest of Spain there is a whole lot of people who would not care the least XD

    Until the 5th largest economy in the WORLD split from the rest of the US, that is.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Thu May 26 19:27:41 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Thu May 26 2022 12:23 pm

    I have the suspicion that California is to America what Andalucía is to Spain.

    If Andalucía split off from the rest of Spain there is a whole lot of people who would not care the least XD

    I don't know how Andalucia is. But I've heard some people in the US say they wouldn't mind if California broke off and sank into the ocean.. Everyone is different though. I know not everyone agrees with each other, but that's natural..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Thu May 26 19:44:26 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Gamgee on Thu May 26 2022 12:17 pm

    I am disgusted by the modern WWW. The one served over http(s). It is all

    ? Was there ever a WWW that wasn't served over http(s)?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 26 19:47:17 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Thu May 26 2022 01:46 pm

    I'm tempted to start an HTTP-only movement; all information is creative-commons licensed, so there's no reason for encryption.

    eh.. I'd rather still be able to have my login & other information encrypted when using my bank accounts on their web site.

    Nightfox

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 27 20:28:00 2022
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <628E2F10.51476.dove.dove-gen@realitycheckbbs.org>
    @REPLY: <628C3308.56291.dove-gen@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to Andre <=-

    You can use a simply Discord client, but then people will expect you to see the animated GIFs, images, video chat.

    Sort of like those Fidonet to Signal gates. Meme posts in Signal end
    up as a URL to an image, which doesn't carry well to a BBS terminal
    session.

    "All on one" solutions generally suffer from this problem. There is
    merit to the "do one thing, and do it well" philosophy.

    Agreed. The only effective "swiss army knife" that I've experienced
    was Netscape Communicator, which, back in 2000, was an effective web
    browser, mail, IRC and news client.

    I used to use that when it became Netscape 7, and then Mozilla, but then, I only used the Web Browser and mail client, and maybe the news client a little, never the IRC one. But that is the only 'multi-tool' that sort of worked.

    MS Office seems to cripple workflows, when compared to using specific tools to solve specific problems..

    Oh, there is one "all on one" which works, and that is Emacs. Technically its just a LISP Machine which defaults to a text editor, but its flexible enough to not constrain you at all.


    I like to run a lean environment on the BBS, and loaded Mozilla
    Seamonkey on it; Seamonkey is a continuation of Communicator, and
    it's still a decent multi-tool - and it saves me from running a
    separate email client and IRC client on the BBS box.

    I use Seamonkey on my laptop, but prefer HexChat or IRSSI for IRC

    ... Insufficient facts always invite danger. Spock, stardate 3141.9.
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Boraxman on Fri May 27 07:37:06 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 27 2022 08:28 pm

    Oh, there is one "all on one" which works, and that is Emacs. Technically its just a LISP Machine which defaults to a text editor, but its flexible enough to not constrain you at all.

    This explains so much of what I've seen you write in the past.


    - Andre

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 28 01:57:46 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Mon May 16 2022 06:47 am

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It
    was a fun time. At the same time, it seemed like only a fraction of

    It felt like you were part of a secret society that few people you encountered even knew about. You'd meet someone and mention something about connect tones or downloading, and if you saw a glint in their
    eyes knew that they knew.

    I Made a BBS data base program that I made BBS list's from, this program would make a page formated .txt BBS list that I would then upload the .txt file to all local BBSes.
    After awhile my BBS became pretty popular.
    The BBS program I made was added to several shareware CD's like Owlware.
    but you're right it was like a little club that few knew about.
    I lived a few miles from Clark Development (the makers of PCBOARD) so thats what I ran at the time.

    ... Canadian DOS prompt: EH?\>

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Sat May 28 02:04:34 2022
    Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Tue May 17 2022 01:08 pm

    BBSes were fairly popular before the internet became popular. It

    You copied a paragraph I wrote to someone else and pasted it verbatim in your reply to boraxman.. ?

    no I'm not sure how that got attributed to me.

    ... Gun Control: Ability to hit what you aim at!

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  • From Jas Hud@VERT to Andre on Sat May 28 03:39:41 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Andre to the doctor on Tue May 24 2022 07:02 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: the doctor to MRO on Tue May 24 2022 11:15 am

    I'm sure I'm going to regret this. Why should you not trust Jewish
    tech people?

    It's not much better the the dipshit comment he was responding to.

    "the the" ?

    thanks nobody. go back under your rock.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri May 27 06:01:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'm tempted to start an HTTP-only movement; all information is creative-commons licensed, so there's no reason for encryption.

    eh.. I'd rather still be able to have my login & other information encrypted when using my bank accounts on their web site.

    100%, but my Firefly fan appreciation site doesn't need encryption...


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 28 10:22:16 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri May 27 2022 06:01 am

    I'm tempted to start an HTTP-only movement; all information is
    creative-commons licensed, so there's no reason for encryption.

    eh.. I'd rather still be able to have my login & other information
    encrypted when using my bank accounts on their web site.

    100%, but my Firefly fan appreciation site doesn't need encryption...

    Web sites can use either HTTP or HTTPS. They aren't forced to use HTTPS, so I'm not sure I see the problem.

    Nightfox

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 28 12:43:16 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri May 27 2022 06:01 am

    100%, but my Firefly fan appreciation site doesn't need encryption...

    I would 100% like to visit your Firefly fan appreciation site, encrypted or not.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 28 14:52:44 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri May 27 2022 06:01 am

    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'm tempted to start an HTTP-only movement; all information is creative-commons licensed, so there's no reason for encryption.

    eh.. I'd rather still be able to have my login & other information encrypted when using my bank accounts on their web site.

    100%, but my Firefly fan appreciation site doesn't need encryption...



    some people use the same passwords all over. also they can intercept email addresses.

    you claim to be a tech guy who worked at paypal but you always have the wrong opinion on everything. did you get these wrong ideas from your companies or bring them there? we should always have as much security as possible.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Sat May 28 21:13:31 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 28 2022 10:22 am

    100%, but my Firefly fan appreciation site doesn't need encryption...

    Web sites can use either HTTP or HTTPS. They aren't forced to use HTTPS, so I'm not sure I see the problem.

    Nightfox

    The trend being imposed by web browser manufacturers and search engines is to drop http without the TLS.

    I think google is already penalizing http sites which don't offer an https counterpart and some web browsers don't want to connect to http sites unless http is asked explicitly.

    So yeah the near future will come with TLS enforced. Which kind of sucks because it will give so much power to certificate authorities to decide which websites are acceptable and which websites won't be accessible without the user having to wade through dire brower warnings.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sun May 29 08:40:57 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sat May 28 2022 09:13 pm

    So yeah the near future will come with TLS enforced. Which kind of sucks because it will give so much power to certificate authorities to decide which websites are acceptable and which websites won't be accessible without the user having to wade through dire brower warnings.



    you could always have a self signed cert, a free cert or use cloudflare like me.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sun May 29 09:53:03 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sun May 29 2022 08:40 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sat May 28 2022 09:13 pm

    So yeah the near future will come with TLS enforced. Which kind of sucks because it will give so much power to certificate authorities to decide which websites are acceptable and which websites won't be accessible with the user having to wade through dire brower warnings.



    you could always have a self signed cert, a free cert or use cloudflare like me.

    Self-signed certs are fine for sites your three buddies and you use. For widespread use they don't really cut it.

    Free certs still require the certificate authority to be on board. Nowadays I don't put it bellow the woke brigade to pest certificate authorities to revoke the certificates of websites they want to cancel. Free certificate authorities are not free from this. There is a number of reasons why pestering certificate authorities is less effective than trying to cajole ISPs but still I think it is dangerous to require people to get the aproval of a CA in order to have a website.

    Cloudflare, see above. Besides, I don't like the fact CLoudflare gets to see, analyze and correlate so much Internet traffic. They are a Google-grade threat for privacy.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Sun May 29 16:51:58 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to MRO on Sun May 29 2022 09:53 am


    Self-signed certs are fine for sites your three buddies and you use. For widespread use they don't really cut it.

    Free certs still require the certificate authority to be on board. Nowadays I don't put it bellow the woke brigade to pest certificate authorities to revoke the certificates of websites they want to cancel. Free certificate authorities are not free from this. There is a number of reasons why pestering certificate authorities is less effective than trying to cajole ISPs but still I think it is dangerous to require people to get the aproval of a CA in order to have a website.

    Cloudflare, see above. Besides, I don't like the fact CLoudflare gets to see, analyze and correlate so much Internet traffic. They are a Google-grade threat for privacy.


    well the way i see it is our privacey is gone. we gave it up many years ago willingly. and once it's gone you will not get it back.

    it's really evident with these phones we are all addicted to. this thing is spying on me all day and night and listening to me. it's showing me stuff in search results and ads when i am having private conversations with people face to face.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 30 15:05:00 2022
    Web sites can use either HTTP or HTTPS. They aren't forced to use HTTPS, so I
    not sure I see the problem.

    Some of them force HTTPS when they don't need to.


    * SLMR 2.1a * You could be reading the next message by now.

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  • From vxzero@VERT/SPACEPTR to MRO on Mon May 30 20:51:38 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Arelor to MRO on Sun May 29 2022 09:53 am

    well the way i see it is our privacey is gone. we gave it up many years ago willingly. and once it's gone you will not get it back.

    it's really evident with these phones we are all addicted to. this thing is spying on me all day and night and listening to me. it's showing me stuff
    in search results and ads when i am having private conversations with people face to face.

    I don't think our privacy is completely gone, it just seems that way because we aren't doing anything from stopping large corporations from using using us as their product.

    I'm fed up with crappy phones, so I'm making my own "communicator" device which can take any sort of cellular, WiFi, Lora, packet, etc. as comms. Here's a link (sorry it's on the web, my BBS isn't ready to directly link images yet):

    I present, the Hackberry: https://imgur.com/a/rqIhdx2

    Since I've been through every line of code on this device, I know that it's not stealing my information or advertising to me. It's not finished yet, but it's awesome knowing I can make it do whatever I want.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dumas Walker on Tue May 31 00:23:28 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Mon May 30 2022 03:05 pm

    Some of them force HTTPS when they don't need to.

    Search engines penalize websites nowdays that aren't using SSL, so plenty of sites "need to".

    DaiTengu

    ... I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere!

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  • From Minex@VERT/TDOD to MRO on Tue May 31 10:27:32 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Arelor on Sun May 29 2022 04:51 pm

    it's really evident with these phones we are all addicted to. this thing is spying on me all day and night and listening to me. it's showing me stuff in search results and ads when i am having private conversations with people face to face.

    There is definitely an addiction to cell phones. The hard part is quitting too. I tried and failed. Lets face it, cell phones are just handy. I tried to switch to the PinePhone but that was just an awful experience. Nothing works, and at this poiunt, I doubt it ever will. I then moved to a flip phone and realized how much I miss even some of the basic cell phone features -- like a map.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DAITENGU on Tue May 31 16:38:00 2022
    Some of them force HTTPS when they don't need to.

    Search engines penalize websites nowdays that aren't using SSL, so plenty of tes "need to".

    "Need to" in quotes I will agree with.

    As someone pointed out, that could turn into a slipperly slope.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Minex on Tue May 31 17:31:43 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Minex to MRO on Tue May 31 2022 10:27 am

    There is definitely an addiction to cell phones. The hard part is quitting too. I tried and failed. Lets face it, cell phones are just handy. I tried to switch to the PinePhone but that was just an awful experience. Nothing works, and at this poiunt, I doubt it ever will. I then moved to a flip phone and realized how much I miss even some of the basic cell phone features -- like a map.

    A flip phone IS a basic cell phone. :P Or rather, a map isn't a basic cell phone feature. I think you mean basic smartphone features.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Minex on Tue May 31 22:13:36 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Minex to MRO on Tue May 31 2022 10:27 am


    There is definitely an addiction to cell phones. The hard part is quitting too. I tried and failed. Lets face it, cell phones are just handy. I tried to switch to the PinePhone but that was just an awful experience. Nothing works, and at this poiunt, I doubt it ever will. I then moved to a flip phone and realized how much I miss even some of the basic cell phone features -- like a map.

    The Dawn of Demise BBS (tdod.org)

    yup that ubuntu phone and pine phone sounded nice but they were just flops.
    we are slaves to our phones now.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue May 31 22:15:56 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Minex on Tue May 31 2022 05:31 pm


    A flip phone IS a basic cell phone. :P Or rather, a map isn't a basic cell phone feature. I think you mean basic smartphone features.


    basic cellphones are now smart phones.
    a flip phone is an antiquated cell phone
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  • From Multiplemiggs@VERT/CAVEBBS to vxzero on Tue May 31 21:57:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: vxzero to MRO on Mon May 30 2022 08:51 pm

    I'm fed up with crappy phones, so I'm making my own "communicator" device wh can take any sort of cellular, WiFi, Lora, packet, etc. as comms. Here's a link (sorry it's on the web, my BBS isn't ready to directly link images yet)

    I present, the Hackberry: https://imgur.com/a/rqIhdx2

    I'm fed up with crappy phones, so I'm making my own "communicator" device wh

    Now that looks impressive. I'm also fed up with these cellphones. If payphones were still around I would rather use one for the rare time that I have to make a call while I'm out. Seems as though the cell companies are purposely killing off the GSM networks so that they can force eveyone to be constantly tracked.

    This looks like an interesting alternative.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Multiplemiggs on Wed Jun 1 01:21:36 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Multiplemiggs to vxzero on Tue May 31 2022 09:57 pm


    Now that looks impressive. I'm also fed up with these cellphones. If payphones were still around I would rather use one for the rare time that I have to make a call while I'm out. Seems as though the cell companies are purposely killing off the GSM networks so that they can force eveyone to be constantly tracked.

    This looks like an interesting alternative.


    i just want a cellphone that txts and makes calls and runs linux.
    I'm not sure if we have anything decent right now for doing that yet.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Tue May 31 06:55:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

    Web sites can use either HTTP or HTTPS. They aren't forced to use HTTPS, so
    I

    not sure I see the problem.

    Some of them force HTTPS when they don't need to.

    Force the origin sites to use HTTPS? I thought they'd do an HTTPS to HTTP translation on their end if configured to do so. While this does break the intention of end-to-end encryption, it does provide a level of convenience
    for someone who doesn't want to deal with certificates but still mostly encrypt the transaction.

    I'd used Cloudflare for a hosted web site, played around with it on the BBS but ended up using NGINX Proxy Manager; apparently it can do the SSL encryption and hand off http to my origin servers. Then, I could take the certificates off of them (or run self-signed certificates) and keep the encryption while not worrying about trying to renew multiple letsencrypt certs.

    That's a bandaid until I learn how to do wildcard cert validation through
    DNS; I haven't gotten around to that yet.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wed Jun 1 07:08:00 2022
    Nightfox wrote to Minex <=-

    A flip phone IS a basic cell phone. :P Or rather, a map isn't a basic cell phone feature. I think you mean basic smartphone features.

    Even "dumb" phones are getting smarter. They all have to have at least 4g networking, since the 2g/3g networks are retired.

    I bought a Nokia 6300 4G for my daughter to bring to camp, and have been playing with it. Looks like a standard candy-bar Nokia, but it's got a nice color screen, an SD card slot, USB charging (haven't tried mounting it from
    my computer yet).

    It's also got Bluetooth, Google text-to-speech, so no more T9 text input -- and Google Maps, Facebook and Whatsapp, and a KaiOS app store.

    Not bad for $69, unlocked - and it fits in a pocket.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Multiplemiggs on Wed Jun 1 07:13:00 2022
    Multiplemiggs wrote to vxzero <=-

    Now that looks impressive. I'm also fed up with these cellphones. If payphones were still around I would rather use one for the rare time
    that I have to make a call while I'm out. Seems as though the cell companies are purposely killing off the GSM networks so that they can force eveyone to be constantly tracked.

    They're not the ones that care about tracking us, they care about making the most money with the least spend. We were already tracked well enough on
    2g/3g anyways. :)

    By retiring the older networks they get to re-use tower space, saving costs. They get to force people to buy new phones, increasing revenue. They have
    more opportunity to charge outrageous overage charges with little or no warning, which increases their revenues.

    And, they all know they need to be competitive.

    That being said, I wonder what sort of market would be available to T-mobile or another provider if they committed to keeping their legacy networks
    around? Would there be enough people with flip phones and 3G iphones to make it a selling point?


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Thu Jun 2 01:36:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue May 31 2022 10:15 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Nightfox to Minex on Tue May 31 2022 05:31 pm


    A flip phone IS a basic cell phone. :P Or rather, a map isn't a basic c phone feature. I think you mean basic smartphone features.


    basic cellphones are now smart phones.
    a flip phone is an antiquated cell phone

    There are flip phone apps. they're not as polished as smart phone apps. Browsing on a flip phone sucks. I tried to see as far as I can go before moving to a smart phone. My previous employer issued me an Iphone for work, h owever I kept all my private stuff on an old LG phone until 3G was finally dropped in my area.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Thu Jun 2 01:38:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Multiplemiggs on Wed Jun 01 2022 01:21 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Multiplemiggs to vxzero on Tue May 31 2022 09:57 pm


    Now that looks impressive. I'm also fed up with these cellphones. If payphones were still around I would rather use one for the rare time that have to make a call while I'm out. Seems as though the cell companies ar purposely killing off the GSM networks so that they can force eveyone to constantly tracked.

    This looks like an interesting alternative.


    i just want a cellphone that txts and makes calls and runs linux.
    I'm not sure if we have anything decent right now for doing that yet.

    Tracfone still offers basic flip phones that text and take pictures.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thu Jun 2 06:23:26 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jun 02 2022 01:36 am


    There are flip phone apps. they're not as polished as smart phone apps. Browsing on a flip phone sucks. I tried to see as far as I can go before moving to a smart phone. My previous employer issued me an Iphone for work, h owever I kept all my private stuff on an old LG phone until 3G was finally dropped in my area.

    yeah, i had a flip phone back in 2004
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Thu Jun 2 06:24:58 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jun 02 2022 01:38 am

    i just want a cellphone that txts and makes calls and runs linux.
    I'm not sure if we have anything decent right now for doing that yet.

    Tracfone still offers basic flip phones that text and take pictures.

    i'd rather have a smart phone.
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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jun 2 07:39:29 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Tue May 31 2022 06:55 am

    Force the origin sites to use HTTPS? I thought they'd do an HTTPS to HTTP translation on their end if configured to do so. While this does break the intention of end-to-end encryption, it does provide a level of convenience for someone who doesn't want to deal with certificates but still mostly encrypt the transaction.

    What he's trying to say is that search engines apply a small SEO penalty to sites that don't offer HTTPS.

    That's a bandaid until I learn how to do wildcard cert validation through DNS; I haven't gotten around to that yet.

    DNS doesn't have anything to do with certs. Wildcard certs are just a cert that is valid for any subdomain on the certs your domain. It's handled by the web server (or whatever is accepting the web connection).


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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Andre on Thu Jun 2 16:56:22 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Andre to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jun 02 2022 07:39 am

    That's a bandaid until I learn how to do wildcard cert validation throu DNS; I haven't gotten around to that yet.

    DNS doesn't have anything to do with certs. Wildcard certs are just a cert t

    It does when you're validating with Let's Encrypt.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to Belly on Thu Jun 2 19:27:50 2022
    It does when you're validating with Let's Encrypt.

    Ah, I get it now that they want a TXT record to validate that you own the domain.

    Doing all that convoluted nonsense with a proxy server just to avoid learning how to add a single TXT record. :-/


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andre on Fri Jun 3 06:46:00 2022
    Andre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    DNS doesn't have anything to do with certs. Wildcard certs are just a
    cert that is valid for any subdomain on the certs your domain. It's handled by the web server (or whatever is accepting the web
    connection).

    Letsencrypt uses DNS validation to provide wildcard DNS through their system
    - that's what I meant.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andre on Fri Jun 3 06:55:00 2022
    Andre wrote to Belly <=-

    It does when you're validating with Let's Encrypt.

    Doing all that convoluted nonsense with a proxy server just to avoid learning how to add a single TXT record. :-/

    The proxying is helpful when you have one IP address, like I do, with a homelab behind it that you'd like to have exposed to the internet - and I'm working with NGINX and proxying at work, so it was a nice transition.

    NGINX Proxy Manager is a nice graphical tool for administering a reverse
    proxy - and with a single LE cert with multiple hostnames attached, it could encrypt all the traffic coming in, then pass off to an internal host on HTTP or an unsigned cert you don't want to expose to the outside world.






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  • From Andre@VERT/RDOMENTR to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 3 13:47:45 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andre on Fri Jun 03 2022 06:55 am

    The proxying is helpful when you have one IP address, like I do, with a homelab behind it that you'd like to have exposed to the internet - and I'm working with NGINX and proxying at work, so it was a nice transition.

    NGINX Proxy Manager is a nice graphical tool for administering a reverse proxy - and with a single LE cert with multiple hostnames attached, it could encrypt all the traffic coming in, then pass off to an internal host on HTTP or an unsigned cert you don't want to expose to the outside world.

    It's a lot of added complexity for a benefit I can't really identify unless you're doing a bunch of security checks (which WAFs and proxies suck at anyway).

    You're still exposing them to the internet to a great extent. All the same business logic and data exfil issues will still exist. The only thing you might be protecting from is RCE on a particular service.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Fri Jun 3 21:04:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Jun 02 2022 06:24 am

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jun 02 2022 01:38 am

    i just want a cellphone that txts and makes calls and runs linux.
    I'm not sure if we have anything decent right now for doing that yet.

    Tracfone still offers basic flip phones that text and take pictures.

    i'd rather have a smart phone.

    My father is a Luddite and is 80 years old. It was a pain to get him to
    carry a flip phone, and now it's like pulling teeth to get him to use his
    smart phone. He has committred to learn the phone, but if I knew it would've been this much hassle, I would've kept him using an LTE capable flip phone. All he needs is text and phone.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sat Jun 4 04:04:34 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jun 03 2022 09:04 pm


    i'd rather have a smart phone.

    My father is a Luddite and is 80 years old. It was a pain to get him to carry a flip phone, and now it's like pulling teeth to get him to use his smart phone. He has committred to learn the phone, but if I knew it would've been this much hassle, I would've kept him using an LTE capable flip phone.

    just show him how to look up porn on the phone.
    he will be a whiz in a week.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Boraxman on Sat Jun 4 11:57:24 2022
    On 5/20/22 6:03 PM, Boraxman wrote:

    The early 2000's was indeed good for communcations. We had IRC, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo messenger, good forums and blog, websites. It's wierd, back them I could have people message me on my PC and start a conversation. That doesn't happen now! People use Facebook for that, sort of, but it sucks to have to log into Facebook and have that account to do that.
    Sure, we have Matrix, but back in the MSN Messenger days, everyone was using that or Yahoo. Now its disparate programs for Mobile, like WhatsApp, and they're problematic to say the least.

    I miss having a rather lightweight chat client running in the background.

    I ran, iirc Trillium for a long time, that connected to them all... iirc
    gaim did as well.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Sat Jun 4 12:29:48 2022
    On 5/24/22 8:32 AM, Nightfox wrote:
    My general rule is, don't trust Big Tech, don't trust Californians or
    Americans, and especially don't trust people who have "values".

    Californians are Americans.. ;)

    But are they? Are they really? They don't seem to think so. LoL.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Sat Jun 4 12:42:40 2022
    On 5/28/22 7:13 PM, Arelor wrote:

    So yeah the near future will come with TLS enforced. Which kind of
    sucks because it will give so much power to certificate authorities
    to decide which websites are acceptable and which websites won't be accessible without the user having to wade through dire brower
    warnings.

    Fortunately Cloudflare and Let's Encrypt have been pretty liberal in not blocking certs of their own accord. It's been really easy... if you use Caddy, it's even wired by default to get a cert for domains it's
    configured for.

    I'm less inclined to trust any resource not https at least... in the
    end, it's a vector for large actors to introduce a lot of malware.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Sat Jun 4 12:46:32 2022
    On 5/29/22 7:53 AM, Arelor wrote:

    Free certs still require the certificate authority to be on board. Nowadays I don't put it bellow the woke brigade to pest certificate authorities to revoke
    the certificates of websites they want to cancel. Free certificate authorities
    are not free from this. There is a number of reasons why pestering certificate
    authorities is less effective than trying to cajole ISPs but still I think it is dangerous to require people to get the aproval of a CA in order to have a website.

    Cloudflare, see above. Besides, I don't like the fact CLoudflare gets to see, analyze and correlate so much Internet traffic. They are a Google-grade threat
    for privacy.

    In the end, there's plenty of options for certs, and at the very least
    Let's Encrypt and Cloudflare have both stood up against woke mob
    requests to remove certain certs or customers.

    There's not really a requirement... but that said, I'd prefer all
    traffic into portable runtimes be over encrypted channels by default.

    It will affect search engine ranking, but nothing is stopping someone
    staying http only... and nothing is stopping state actors slurping up
    all the data through major junction points and/or injecting http
    payloads in the middle.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dumas Walker on Sat Jun 4 12:51:26 2022
    On 5/30/22 12:05 PM, Dumas Walker wrote:
    Web sites can use either HTTP or HTTPS. They aren't forced to use HTTPS, so I
    not sure I see the problem.

    Some of them force HTTPS when they don't need to.
    Browsers are generally the single biggest vector for attack of a given computer. Over HTTP (Non-S) anyone with control over any routing
    hardware between you and websites can inject malware payloads onto your computer.

    It's not to protect the My Little Bronie site content, it's to protect
    your system from malicious actors.. namely state actors that have been
    and are doing these things (injecting/rerouting common http traffic).
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jun 4 13:19:11 2022
    On 6/3/22 6:55 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

    The proxying is helpful when you have one IP address, like I do, with a homelab behind it that you'd like to have exposed to the internet - and I'm working with NGINX and proxying at work, so it was a nice transition.

    NGINX Proxy Manager is a nice graphical tool for administering a reverse proxy - and with a single LE cert with multiple hostnames attached, it could encrypt all the traffic coming in, then pass off to an internal host on HTTP or an unsigned cert you don't want to expose to the outside world.

    Doing much the same myself... One of my hosts is using Dokku, which has
    a proxy layer for containerized apps... I have a Caddy server setup to
    proxy the rest.
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  • From nostalia@VERT/TECHRONO to MRO on Mon Jun 6 18:52:33 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jun 02 2022 01:38 am

    i just want a cellphone that txts and makes calls and runs linux.
    I'm not sure if we have anything decent right now for doing that yet.

    Tracfone still offers basic flip phones that text and take pictures.

    Actually too bad it takes photos... would have been nice for high security facilties that don't care that you have a comm device, but don't want you haveing a camera.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to nostalia on Mon Jun 6 22:23:57 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: nostalia to MRO on Mon Jun 06 2022 06:52 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jun 02 2022 01:38 am

    i just want a cellphone that txts and makes calls and runs linux.
    I'm not sure if we have anything decent right now for doing that yet.

    Tracfone still offers basic flip phones that text and take pictures.

    Actually too bad it takes photos... would have been nice for high security facilties that don't care that you have a comm device, but don't want you haveing a camera.

    you are replying to the wrong person. i did not say:

    Tracfone still offers basic flip phones that text and take pictures.

    someone else did.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to nostalia on Tue Jun 7 23:54:00 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: nostalia to MRO on Mon Jun 06 2022 06:52 pm

    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jun 02 2022 01:38 am

    i just want a cellphone that txts and makes calls and runs linux.
    I'm not sure if we have anything decent right now for doing that yet.

    Tracfone still offers basic flip phones that text and take pictures.

    Actually too bad it takes photos... would have been nice for high security f


    I wonder if a phone management app such as Maas 360 could disable device functions?

    Regarding flip phones, I know companies such as Nokia made retro re-issues of older phones with newer technology. For exanple, Neo's phone in the first Matrix film was modifed by the props guys so the bottom half would flip down (real one couldn't,) and the re-issue fixed that problem plus additional appli cation functionality not offered when new.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wed Jun 8 08:22:00 2022
    Moondog wrote to nostalia <=-

    Regarding flip phones, I know companies such as Nokia made retro
    re-issues of older phones with newer technology.

    I posted elsewhere about a Nokia 6300 4G I bought recently. It's a modern
    take on thwe candy-bar form-facotr phone, and supports the 4G networks,
    unlike older candy bar phones. The UI is responsive, it's got a half-decent (albeit small) web browser, Bluetooth, Google Maps, WhatsApp and Facebook,
    an app store, and Google text-to-speech (so no more T9 predictive text
    input)

    If it had a media player, it'd be ideal. As it is, it has a FM radio that plays through headphones, using the cord as an antenna.

    I didn't realize how nice having my phone battery last a week was.


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  • From Mandog@VERT/BRAZINET to Belly on Wed Jun 15 18:23:50 2022
    Re: Re: Hello
    By: Belly to Andre on Thu Jun 02 2022 04:56 pm

    I love the signature!

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  • From multiplemiggs@VERT/BTTMLSS to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jun 20 16:39:00 2022
    They're not the ones that care about tracking us, they care about making t most money with the least spend. We were already tracked well enough on 2g/3g anyways. :)

    By retiring the older networks they get to re-use tower space, saving cost They get to force people to buy new phones, increasing revenue. They have more opportunity to charge outrageous overage charges with little or no warning, which increases their revenues.

    And, they all know they need to be competitive.

    That being said, I wonder what sort of market would be available to T-mobi or another provider if they committed to keeping their legacy networks around? Would there be enough people with flip phones and 3G iphones to ma it a selling point?


    True. The cell companies keep us buying new phones with planned obsolesce,
    and attempt to lure you in with another 3 year contract. I do wish there was just a basic phone system that they would leave alone for talk and text. GSM was fine for this, but is pretty much a thing of the past and so is a nice compact little phone for just making calls and sending texts.

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