• Babylon 5

    From unixl0rd@VERT/BEERS20 to All on Wed Aug 3 20:28:00 2022
    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.

    Do you recommend it?

    Thanks

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to unixl0rd on Thu Aug 4 21:11:00 2022
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S

    Do you recommend it?

    Thanks

    ... A fallen lighthouse is more dangerous than a reef.

    Babylon 5 is worht watching up to a point. The show was written to have a 5 year story arc, then after that arc it didn't seem as cohesive. Other than
    the story arc the individual episodes stand alone well.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to unixl0rd on Fri Aug 5 18:59:00 2022
    On 08-03-22 20:28, unixl0rd wrote to All <=-

    @VIA: VERT/BEERS20
    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star
    Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen
    it.

    Do you recommend it?

    Yes, love B5!


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to unixl0rd on Thu Aug 4 07:33:00 2022
    unixl0rd wrote to All <=-

    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star
    Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen
    it.

    Do you recommend it?

    The CGI is pretty rough, but I like the space station formula - they didn't need to do an "episode in a bottle" with a new alien each week and could do
    a story arc.

    I know you said no Star Trek, but have you seen Deep Space 9 yet? The latter half consists of season-wide story arcs, lots of character development.

    Not exactly Science Fiction, but Mr. Robot or Halt and Catch Fire are good watches.



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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to unixl0rd on Fri Aug 5 07:41:03 2022
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I

    There's always Dr. Who, but I never got into it much. Actually, I did like the goofy Doctor, played by Matt Something, I think it was. It has the redhead girl with the strong Northern accent. That set of the series was pretty fun.

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  • From unixl0rd@VERT/BEERS20 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 5 09:00:00 2022
    I have watched all of them :P Halt and Catch Fire is one of the reasons that got me into the retro-computing stuff. DS9 is my favourite Star Trek series. Sisko was boss.

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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/DMINE to unixl0rd on Fri Aug 5 17:22:33 2022
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S

    Do you recommend it?

    Thanks

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    The first four seasons are awesome. The fifth season is meh.

    But seriously, it's a good series overall.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to unixl0rd on Fri Aug 5 16:12:50 2022
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-S

    What about The Expanse?

    o
    (O)
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  • From Phoobar@VERT/FREEWAY to unixl0rd on Sat Aug 6 03:22:00 2022
    On Wed Aug 3 20:28:00 2022, unixl0rd wrote to All <=-

    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.
    Do you recommend it?

    Made it through the 1st season...but life happened. Friends loved it. Myself...would recommend The Orville. Would also go for Eureka/Warehouse 13/The Outer Limits (Old-New) on Pluto/Battlestar Galactica (Old-New)/Starloft/Lost in Space (Old-New)/Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes from BBC/Time Tunnel.

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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Phoobar on Sat Aug 6 15:21:42 2022
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: Phoobar to unixl0rd on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:22 am

    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.
    Do you recommend it?

    Made it through the 1st season...but life happened. Friends loved it. Myself...would recommend The Orville. Would also go for Eureka/Warehouse 13/The Outer Limits (Old-New) on Pluto/Battlestar Galactica (Old-New)/Starloft/Lost in Space (Old-New)/Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes from BBC/Time Tunnel.

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Lizard Master on Sat Aug 6 16:32:41 2022
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: The Lizard Master to Phoobar on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:21 pm

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the best space scifi. Good stuff.

    I also like The Orville. I really enjoyed the 3rd season, and I hope the show gets renewed.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to The Lizard Master on Sat Aug 6 19:24:44 2022
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: The Lizard Master to Phoobar on Sat Aug 06 2022 03:21 pm

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of the bes

    +1 on The Orville bandwagon.

    o
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to unixl0rd on Sat Aug 6 17:37:22 2022
    On 8/3/22 13:28, unixl0rd wrote:
    Hi,
    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a
    good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from
    Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've
    never seen it.

    Do you recommend it?

    I like it a lot and would recommend it... I will say the acting,
    especially in the first season, was very Soap Opera feeling, but it gets
    a bit better. The concept/story in general are very good, and much more
    well constructed than most shows.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Aug 6 17:40:10 2022
    On 8/4/22 07:33, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

    The CGI is pretty rough, but I like the space station formula - they didn't need to do an "episode in a bottle" with a new alien each week and could do
    a story arc.

    HBO Max did some rescan/upscaling... and it's generally improved on the
    image quality. If you get it from the high seas, would try to make sure
    it's content from the better upscaled streaming content over older DVD rips.

    I know you said no Star Trek, but have you seen Deep Space 9 yet? The latter half consists of season-wide story arcs, lots of character development.

    I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite
    part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard
    never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Phigan on Sat Aug 6 17:42:01 2022
    On 8/5/22 07:41, Phigan wrote:
    non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star
    Trek).

    There's always Dr. Who, but I never got into it much. Actually, I
    did like the goofy Doctor, played by Matt Something, I think it
    was. It has the redhead girl with the strong Northern accent. That
    set of the series was pretty fun.

    I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood
    series (spinoff)? I know a few people who don't like Dr. Who, that
    really liked Torchwood.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Belly on Sat Aug 6 17:42:48 2022
    On 8/5/22 14:12, Belly wrote:

    What about The Expanse?

    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 6 22:51:00 2022
    I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard
    never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."

    I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for a while earlier this summer. Super cool guy. He went to Juliard with the actor that plays Q :P

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Phoobar on Sun Aug 7 07:54:00 2022
    Phoobar wrote to unixl0rd <=-

    Eureka/Warehouse 13/The Outer Limits (Old-New) on Pluto/Battlestar Galactica (Old-New)/Starloft/Lost in Space (Old-New)/Life on Mars/Ashes
    to Ashes from BBC/Time Tunnel.

    Thanks for the Warehouse 13 reminder - I'd meant to watch that a few years ago...


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to esc on Sun Aug 7 07:57:00 2022
    esc wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for a while earlier this summer. Super cool guy. He went to Juliard
    with the actor that plays Q :P

    What was the name of that B&B? My wife and I are planning another trip to
    Paso Robles soon. We went down last weekend to Sensorio, but just took a day trip.

    One thing that shocks me about moving out of the bay area is how close the south central coast is now - Paso Robles is 2 hours away. I'm used to it
    being more like 3-4 hours.




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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 7 12:15:00 2022
    What was the name of that B&B? My wife and I are planning another trip
    to Paso Robles soon. We went down last weekend to Sensorio, but just
    took a day trip.

    I'll see if he still lists the property, he mentioned using it as a cooking venue for his wife to host classes instead of B&B when I last spoke to him.

    One thing that shocks me about moving out of the bay area is how close
    the south central coast is now - Paso Robles is 2 hours away. I'm used
    to it being more like 3-4 hours.

    Where did you move? We are in South San Jose (Almaden valley area). We previously lived in downtown Palo Alto and it feels like we are in another world!

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Tracker1 on Sun Aug 7 12:41:38 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Phigan on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm

    I did like most of the resurgent Dr. Who... Did you see the Torchwood

    Yes, actually. I had completely forgotten about that show. Might have to rewatch when I'm bored.

    I liked some of the other shows mentioned earlier, too. The BSG spinoff, Caprica, was pretty cool, while it lasted.

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Tracker1 on Sun Aug 7 12:43:29 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Belly on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm

    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    What about Avenue 5? :)

    Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to esc on Sun Aug 7 13:40:00 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: esc to Tracker1 on Sat Aug 06 2022 10:51 pm

    I liked DS9 quite a bit as well, even the earlier seasons... Favorite part is when Captain Sisko punched Q... "You hit me, Captain Picard never hit me." ... "I'm not Captain Picard."

    I never watched DS9, but I got to hang with the actor that played Dukat for

    Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many Ron
    Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals and ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Phigan on Sun Aug 7 17:23:51 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Phigan to Tracker1 on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:43 pm

    What about Avenue 5? :)
    Oh, man, what a great show :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to esc on Sun Aug 7 16:32:24 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: esc to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:14 pm

    When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I've grown accustomed to having a linear narrative across multiple episodes. TNG is still very much the "you can watch any episode randomly and the story is self contained" thing, which I realize now I don't like as much.

    I'm curious why you now tend to prefer the narrative across multiple episodes these days? It seems like almost all TV shows are done that way now, which I don't really mind, but I miss shows where each episode is its own story. These days, the story pretty much spans a whole season of a TV show, so if there are 10 episodes, it's basically a 10-hour movie. I feel like it all blends together, and later, if I want to go back and watch an episode where something happened, it's harder to remember which episode that was.

    Also, sometimes I just like being able to just pick any episode and watch it without needing the context of the previous episodes.

    Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by itself?

    DS9 starts out with more or less each episode having its own story, but it soon progresses to having a narrative that spans multiple episodes. Still, I think it was a mix of the two styles. Although it had a major storyline that spanned multiple episodes (and even multiple seasons), it still had individual side stories for many of the individual episodes.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to esc on Sun Aug 7 21:01:00 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: esc to MRO on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:14 pm

    ds9 is a weird show. it probably shifted gears 3 times.

    When I was a kid I liked TNG, but I've tried rewatching it and I realize I'v hich I realize now I don't like as much.

    Does DS9 have a linear narrative, or is each episode a single vignette by it

    DS9 has story arcs sprinkled with stand alone stories. It becomes more
    serial as time goes by. Some purists hated DS9 because it was not Roddenberry 's style. One of the reasons Roddenberry agreed to bring the series back was due to syndication being less strict than a networks' schedule. If a week
    was skipped because post production was late, that was occasionally
    allowable to keep the quality up. If a show could not be played at it's scheduled time, the local station had a window to re-air or show an episode again later in the evening or another day of the week. More two part, three part stories could exist. If a major character change was to be made, they didn't have to wait until the season finale or next season premier to
    institute it.

    Marine Sirtis once heard Roddenberry say Trek was all about exploration, not about running a hotel. The writers used his own wordplay to pitch the
    series. If Star Trek was Wagon Train set in space, DS9 was Rifleman set in space. Sisko and his son were the equivalent of McCain and his son, and all the trouble would come to them.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Phigan on Sun Aug 7 21:09:00 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Phigan to Tracker1 on Sun Aug 07 2022 12:43 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Belly on Sat Aug 06 2022 05:42 pm

    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    What about Avenue 5? :)

    Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.


    Iliked a series called Blakes 7, but felt it would be hard to bring back because several of it's influencing themes and charater development had been borrowed by other shows, it would look like the derivitive series. A remake was being pitched around the same time SG Universe was made, and some
    elements of SGU had been borrowed from it. Once such device was instead of
    an anti-hero second in command that pretends to a douche, the second in command
    has no qualms of killing Blake and taking the helm when the time is right.

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  • From esc@VERT/MONTEREY to Nightfox on Mon Aug 8 01:46:00 2022
    I'm curious why you now tend to prefer the narrative across multiple episodes these days? It seems like almost all TV shows are done that
    way now, which I don't really mind, but I miss shows where each episode
    is its own story. These days, the story pretty much spans a whole
    season of a TV show, so if there are 10 episodes, it's basically a
    10-hour movie. I feel like it all blends together, and later, if I want to go back and watch an episode where something happened, it's harder to remember which episode that was.

    I prefer to immerse myself in the storyline and lore and watch characters develop over time. I find the self contained episode thing to make very formulaic stories. Not that that's bad, necessarily, just not what I am into these days.

    Also, sometimes I just like being able to just pick any episode and
    watch it without needing the context of the previous episodes.

    My first Chrome extension was one to randomize episodes of shows on Netflix :P so there is a world where people dig that!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 8 19:13:00 2022
    On 08-06-22 15:21, The Lizard Master wrote to Phoobar <=-

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of
    the best space scifi. Good stuff.

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 8 19:15:00 2022
    On 08-06-22 17:42, Tracker1 wrote to Belly <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TRN
    On 8/5/22 14:12, Belly wrote:

    What about The Expanse?

    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    I really enjoyed it, very well done.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 8 08:49:29 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 08 2022 07:13 pm

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    I agree. And people are saying it might not get renewed for a 4th season. I've heard Seth MacFarlane wants less involvement with it. Normally, I'd think such a popular show would definitely get renewed though.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Aug 9 19:46:00 2022
    On 08-08-22 08:49, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to The Lizard Master on Mon Aug 08 2022 07:13 pm

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    I agree. And people are saying it might not get renewed for a 4th
    season. I've heard Seth MacFarlane wants less involvement with it. Normally, I'd think such a popular show would definitely get renewed though.

    It would be a shame if it doesn't get renewed.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to esc on Mon Aug 8 07:58:00 2022
    esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Where did you move? We are in South San Jose (Almaden valley area). We previously lived in downtown Palo Alto and it feels like we are in
    another world!

    We haven't moved recently - we moved to Aptos, 10 miles south of Santa Cruz, in 2015. We were in San Carlos before that.

    We're definitely in another world - we run into traffic jams at 4-way stops when everyone waves everyone else through -- no, you go first! Everyone on
    our block have dogs, and dog walks are the morning social scene. :)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Mon Aug 8 08:08:00 2022
    Moondog wrote to esc <=-

    Gul Dukat is a major character in the span of the series. Like many
    Ron Moore written characters, he is very complex. He is not a shallow evil character. He does a lot of bad stuff, but within his system of morals and ethics I think he believes he is doing the right thing.

    Sounds like Kris Jenner in "Keeping up with the Cardassians".




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 8 08:10:00 2022
    Vk3jed wrote to The Lizard Master <=-

    On 08-06-22 15:21, The Lizard Master wrote to Phoobar <=-

    I second the Orville, what that show has transformed into is some of
    the best space scifi. Good stuff.

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and it
    felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a completely different light.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 10 19:08:00 2022
    On 08-08-22 08:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and
    it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a
    completely different light.

    Actually, it always dealt with serious issues, but kept things light with a lot of humour. It's a vehicle for exploring social issues (much like the original Star Trek), but with a bit more use of humour.


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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to unixl0rd on Mon Aug 8 21:59:40 2022
    Re: Babylon 5
    By: unixl0rd to All on Wed Aug 03 2022 08:28 pm

    I'm almost done watching Star Trek Voyager, and I'm looking for a good non-Star-Trek sci-fi show to watch next (I need a break from Star Trek). I have heard good things about Babylon 5, but I've never seen it.

    Do you recommend it?

    I am a vary big Star Trek Fan but I love the Babylon 5 series it's my favorite behind star trek and battlestar galactica. I have bought the entire series on vudu. I hope you will give it a shot

    BrokenMind

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Aug 10 09:10:42 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 08 2022 08:10 am

    Definitely, The Orville keeps getting better as it goes along.

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a completely different light.

    There were some serious episodes even in the first season.. If you've only watched the first couple episodes of the first season, that's not really representitive of the whole series. Granted, the first 2 seasons had quite a bit of humor, but there were some serious episodes mixed in as well. Season 3 really got a lot more serious though (but still had some comedy).

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 20:06:00 2022
    On 08-08-22 21:59, Brokenmind wrote to unixl0rd <=-

    I am a vary big Star Trek Fan but I love the Babylon 5 series it's my favorite behind star trek and battlestar galactica. I have bought the entire series on vudu. I hope you will give it a shot


    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Thu Aug 11 07:20:00 2022
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    On 08-08-22 08:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    When did it get serious? I watched a couple of the first episodes and
    it felt like Galaxy Quest. I hear people refer to it now in a
    completely different light.

    Actually, it always dealt with serious issues, but kept things light
    with a lot of humour. It's a vehicle for exploring social issues (much like the original Star Trek), but with a bit more use of humour.

    I'm watching it again (I sorta got burned out a couple of episodes in) and
    I'm enjoying it.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Phigan on Thu Aug 11 16:54:07 2022
    On 8/7/22 12:43, Phigan wrote:
    Re: Babylon 5
    Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...

    What about Avenue 5? :)

    I haven't seen/heard about it... may take a look.

    Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.

    I liked that show a lot too.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 12 19:22:00 2022
    On 08-11-22 07:20, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm watching it again (I sorta got burned out a couple of episodes in)
    and I'm enjoying it.

    Yeah, has a great storyline, have to follow it through to do it justice.


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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 14 22:06:25 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm

    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.


    Cool!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brokenmind on Mon Aug 15 21:32:00 2022
    On 08-14-22 22:06, Brokenmind wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/TIABBS
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm

    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.


    Cool!

    Yeah, and watched it many times. :)


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 21 21:02:01 2022
    On 8/15/22 04:32, Vk3jed wrote:
    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.

    Cool!

    Yeah, and watched it many times. :)
    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used the
    best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
    against actor and studio photos. Even the SFX is much better than the
    DVD version.

    The new version can be found on the high seas if you look.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 22 08:37:45 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Tracker1 to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 21 2022 09:02 pm

    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
    against actor and studio photos.

    If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 14:05:05 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:37 am

    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
    the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained
    AI against actor and studio photos.

    If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.

    If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: DS9 and Voyager have, in that practical effects were shot on 35mm, but the digital effects were done another way, and can't be upscaled. All digital effects would need to be recreated from scratch.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 22 15:08:25 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 2022 02:05 pm

    If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: DS9 and Voyager have, in that practical effects were shot on 35mm, but the digital effects were done another way, and can't be upscaled. All digital effects would need to be recreated from scratch.

    Yeah, I'v heard about that with the digital effects.

    Also, I thought I had heard DS9 and Voyager were recorded on videotape (rather than 35mm film), which is one of the problems with doing a HD remaster of those shows. I heard Star Trek: TNG was filmed on 35mm film, which allowed them to more easily re-scan the negatives to 1080p, and less of TNG's effects were done digitally.

    Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original files have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to re-render the effects at a higher resolution.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Tracker1 on Tue Aug 23 20:58:00 2022
    On 08-21-22 21:02, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
    the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI against actor and studio photos. Even the SFX is much better than the
    DVD version.

    Yes, I am aware of this remaster. A big improvement.

    The new version can be found on the high seas if you look.

    Yeah, can confirm. :)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to DaiTengu on Tue Aug 23 15:54:00 2022
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 2022 02:05 pm

    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:37 am

    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
    the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained
    AI against actor and studio photos.

    If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.

    If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: created from scratch.

    DaiTengu

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    Well said. grainy, poorly rendedered (by modern standards) CGI canot be enhanced. Chances are whatever the source files used to create the animation no longer exist or it would be way easier to start over from scratch to recrea te more suitable graphics.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Wed Aug 24 14:59:08 2022
    On 8/22/22 08:37, Nightfox wrote:
    For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
    it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
    the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
    against actor and studio photos.

    If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan
    it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality
    than an AI upscale with current software.

    No idea, just know the SFX scenes were also improved from DVD quality,
    so assumed it was AI driven, but may have been a rescan for parts as
    well, usually depends on the time/money investment the company is
    willing to make.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Moondog on Wed Aug 24 15:07:10 2022
    On 8/23/22 12:54, Moondog wrote:

    Well said. grainy, poorly rendedered (by modern standards) CGI canot be enhanced. Chances are whatever the source files used to create the animation no longer exist or it would be way easier to start over from scratch to recrea
    te more suitable graphics.

    B5 SFX was rendered at 1/2 scale (quarter screen) and enlarged and the original models are gone. It's definitely not new/recreated models/fx,
    and definitely better than original... like I said probably AI upscaled,
    there are animation upscale algorithms that do pretty good, which is
    likely what was used for those clips. There's a host of problems why B5 didn't see a remaster before the one for HBO Max, which is why my
    assumption is it was a good AI driven upscaling.
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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Vk3jed on Fri Feb 3 10:51:17 2023
    Re: Re: Babylon 5
    By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm

    Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.

    thats asome I have them all also but i bought them on speical on Vudu awhile back.

    BrokenMind

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