Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm

MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

going to let it continue its flight across the country, until it reaches Gulf
or the Atlantic or falls down on its own rather than shoot it down.

So, if you live in its path, you might want to go outside and give the Chinese government something to look at. :(

Our government seems as clueless, and vulnerable, as they did right before 9/11.

exactly. very pathetic.
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

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Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding operation range.
hy are restricted in speed and altitude. They don't want home brew guided mnissiles.
20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving out technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplan with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously. And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he was restricted in selling certain technology to customers in the Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, he kept his flight plan to
lower altitudes and lower speeds. In stead of making a mach 4 missile he
made a WWII style pulse jet similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph and fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude
object avoidance, fly below radar.)

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Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Fri Feb 03 2023 10:30 pm

Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in my..
By: Gamgee to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 09:20 pm

too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

Nightfox

Civiliian GPS is hobbled so it has an altitude and speed restriction. The gov 't is afraid of people making ballistic missiles.

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Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it
down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby
equipment. :D


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Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

exactly. very pathetic.
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding
operation range. hy are restricted in speed and altitude. They
don't want home brew guided mnissiles.
20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build
a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't
taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving out
technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplan
with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously.
And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he was
restricted in selling certain technology to customers in the
Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, he
kept his flight plan to lower altitudes and lower speeds. In
stead of making a mach 4 missile he made a WWII style pulse jet
similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph and
fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude object
avoidance, fly below radar.)

Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under
discussion..., but still cool.



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Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under
discussion..., but still cool.

Using non-government technology to bring the balloon down was how I think
we got to this. It is an interesting story for sure.


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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under discussion..., but still cool.

Using non-government technology to bring the balloon down was how
I think we got to this. It is an interesting story for sure.

Yes, maybe that was the angle. I thought it was more about how to get a non-government aircraft/device up to the balloon, which was at 60,000+
feet of altitude. There aren't many (any?) planes that can fly that
high, and the original "idea" was to use a "drone"... ;-)



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Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Feb 04 2023 10:58 am

Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

Your local hobby shop should have one of those, right? ;)

It would be pretty hilarious if the government says they cannot bring it down safely and then some Joe Schmo brings it down with some hobby equipment. :D

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The ballon flew at 66,000 feet. Off the shelf GPS modules do not operate at speeds over 1000 knots and altitudes over 60,000 feet. You need a fighter
jet or a missile to intercept it.

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Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Feb 04 2023 08:08 pm

Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

exactly. very pathetic.
too bad nobody flew a drone up there to pierce it or something.

Can you tell me where I can buy a drone that can fly up to 60,000 feet altitude? Thanks.

Oh, and it's gotta have a "piercer" on it too.

Commercial GPS modules are limited by the gov't regarding
operation range. hy are restricted in speed and altitude. They
don't want home brew guided mnissiles.
20 years ago a New Zealander made aclaim it is possible to build
a cruise missile for under $15000 at the time, and he wasn't
taken very seriously. He started a build log, leaving out
technical stuff to a minimum. When he scheduled a flightplan
with the New Zealand version of the FAA, they took him seriously.
And so did the US. He sells high end model planes and he was restricted in selling certain technology to customers in the
Middle East. In order to function with commercial GPS chips, he
kept his flight plan to lower altitudes and lower speeds. In
stead of making a mach 4 missile he made a WWII style pulse jet
similar to a V-1 rocket. It would fly along at 300-400 mph and
fly a level course along several waypoints (low altitude object avoidance, fly below radar.)

Cool story. Not sure what it's got to do with the topic under discussion..., but still cool.

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If a civillian wanted build a missile to shoot something like that down, it would have to travel at speeds less than 1000 knots and be guided in some
other way than GPS over 60,000 feet. 20 years ago a cruise missile could be made ofr $15,000. I imagine one could made for under $10k

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Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspace.

Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In
Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?



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On 07 Feb 2023, Gamgee said the following...

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

They have it because Joe Biden left it for them during the great exit!!

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Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 07:39 am

Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspa

Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

... All the easy problems have been solved.

Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observers
and passers by several hundred yards from the device being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guys NODS with magnification
recording video, they would also require a clear line of sight to see what
the EOD guys are doing.

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Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.


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Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: IB Joe to Gamgee on Tue Feb 07 2023 07:57 am

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

They have it because Joe Biden left it for them during the great exit!!

There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and that the US Military still takes orders from him.

So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?

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Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our airspa

Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observers and passers by several hundred yards from the device
being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guys
NODS with magnification recording video, they would also require
a clear line of sight to see what the EOD guys are doing.

But they need that (a clear line of sight) anyway... (even in daylight).
What you're saying doesn't make much sense in supporting the idea that
they do things after dark to avoid being observed.



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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the
methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until
sundown to prevent from being observed.

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

Indeed.



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On 07 Feb 2023, DaiTengu said the following...

There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and
that the US Military still takes orders from him.

So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?

No... we need 4 years of Joe Biden to use as a foil for Trump's presidency... Trump as on record saying he wanted every nut and bolt out of that country before the military were to pull out.

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Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Tue Feb 07 2023 04:37 pm

Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until sundown to prevent from being observed.

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

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Re: Re: Up, Up, and away, in
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Tue Feb 07 2023 06:51 pm

Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

that's not good enough. it should be shot down before entering our air

Then the Chinese know how fast our detection process is. In Afghanistan the Taliban would plant IED's in order to study the methods of EOD squads. In some situations the EOD waited until sundown to prevent from being observed.

Do you think the Taliban doesn't have night-vision equipment?

Even if they did, EOD teams travel with security teams which keep observers and passers by several hundred yards from the device
being dismantled. Assumming no one noticed this group of guys
NODS with magnification recording video, they would also require
a clear line of sight to see what the EOD guys are doing.

But they need that (a clear line of sight) anyway... (even in daylight). What you're saying doesn't make much sense in supporting the idea that
they do things after dark to avoid being observed.

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It' smore obvious they are not casual observers if they are wearing night vision or obvious camera equipment. They will have to position themselves in
a way to get a good picture or line of sight, exposing their intentions.

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There are people who think Trump is still the "secret president" and that

he

S Military still takes orders from him.

There are? I have not heard that one. I did hear about the conspiracty
theory that Trump and one (and only one!) Supreme Court Justice were going
to pull some shennanigans and get him reinstated. That is not a right-wing theory, but a theory believed by those who are afraid it might happen.

So, was Trump directly in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawl?

Nope.


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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
signed before he left?



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If they didn't before, they do now thanks to Biden.

You mean, because of the middle-east troop draw-down that Trump
signed before he left?

If you take over for someone, don't listen to those advising you and then half-ass the job, you can blame you predecessor but that doesn't make it
their fault.


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