1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."
2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is the only state that matters."
It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn would be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons extensively as a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the world stage and, in
What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going to be?
Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Kaelon to All on Tue Sep 27 2022 05:46 am
1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."
2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is the
only state that matters."
It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn would
be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons extensively as
a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the world stage and, in
What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going to
be?
I've wondered about that a bit, and I don't really know. If the news here is accur
. I'm seriously wondering if Russia/Putin is hell-bent on winning this or seeking
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As Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has gone sideways towards, what appears t ast swaths of territories, Russia struggling to marshal its manpower, and al
What is Russia's possible endgame here?
Former Russian President and Putin-stooge Medvedev tipped his hand in a cand
1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."
2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is the o
It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn would be ccessful conclusion. But I don't think that nukes, even if launchced and dr
What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going to b _____
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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Sep 27 2022 08:43 am
Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Kaelon to All on Tue Sep 27 2022 05:46 am
1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having.
2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia only state that matters."
It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons extensive a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the world stage an
What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is go be?
I've wondered about that a bit, and I don't really know. If the news her . I'm seriously wondering if Russia/Putin is hell-bent on winning this o
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If Putin does not get at leas a symbolic win to offer his allies, they are g murder him in the ladies restroom. That was well understood from the start s bet Russia will be as agressive as need be because Putin is aware of the con of not achieving his goals.
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I noticed the Russian people protest the war and mobilization, but do not openly blame Putin's decision making. Part of that may be propaganda, otherwise it is being clever and avoiding being put on a political
trouble maker list.
own blankets and under clothing. I bet it won't take long before it looks lik
e scenes from Enemy at the Gates where soldiers who retreat will be met with machine gun fire.
own blankets and under clothing. I bet it won't take long before it looks e scenes from Enemy at the Gates where soldiers who retreat will be met wi machine gun fire.
Russia has done this before, during WWII. Especially early in the war. Stalin did not play games, and Putin has said recently that he didn't think Stalin went far enough.
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Kaelon wrote to All <=-
As Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has gone sideways towards, what
appears to be, inevitable defeat for the Russian forces, there's widespread speculation as to what the Russian Federation's actual
endgame can be here. With Ukraine's forces recapturing vast swaths of territories, Russia struggling to marshal its manpower, and all
evidence pointing to capitulation in Crimea, Donbas, and other occupied Ukrainian territories, it seems that this war will be resolved within a year.
What is Russia's possible endgame here?
Former Russian President and Putin-stooge Medvedev tipped his hand in a candid interview earlier this year when he shared two tidbits that
struck me deeply.
1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."
2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is
the only state that matters."
It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn
would be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons extensively as a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the
world stage and, in its view, bring this war to a successful
conclusion. But I don't think that nukes, even if launchced and
dropped upon Ukrainian cities, would prevent the Ukrainian people from successfully kicking out the Russians.
What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going
to be? _____
I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative. According to
Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and with the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to believe this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend it didn'
happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victory when
they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reality. It's really odd.
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I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative. Accordito
Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and w the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to belie this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend itdidn'
happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victorywhen
they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reali It's really odd.
As someone who lives in America, the news I have been hearing has not been that Russia was losing since the beginning. Matter of fact, the news earlier on was very bleak for Ukraine. It does not seem that the Russia is losing narrative started up in earnest until after we gave Ukraine a bunch of money.
Maybe we are watching different news sources. I cannot say that there are not any that have been on the "Russia is losing" bandwagon since the beginning, but I didn't see any.
Perhaps you're using different news sources. In Australia, the nightly news says almost nothing about the conflict. The main internet news sites here a mostly putting out stories about how Russia is in trouble, Putin is about to die, Ukraine is winning. They've been doing this for months now.
Maybe the U.S. news is more realistic? That would be a pleasant surprise.
As someone who lives in America, the news I have been hearing has not been that Russia was losing since the beginning. Matter of fact, the news earlier on was very bleak for Ukraine. It does not seem that the Russia is losing narrative started up in earnest until after we gave Ukraine a bunch of money.
Perhaps you're using different news sources. In Australia, the nightly news says almost nothing about the conflict. The main internet news sites here are
mostly putting out stories about how Russia is in trouble, Putin is about to die, Ukraine is winning. They've been doing this for months now.
Maybe the U.S. news is more realistic? That would be a pleasant surprise.
FRom what I've seen, the coverage of Ukreaine has gone
down. [...]
I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative.
According to
Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and with the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to believe this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend it didn'
happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victory when
they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reality. It's really odd.
Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sat Oct 01 2022 09:53 am
I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative. According to
Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and with the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard t believe this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend it didn'
happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victo when
they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reality. It's really odd.
Same here. The MSM keep telling us how weak and non-threatening Russia is however the reality is the opposite. They had only deployed a small fraction their serving military into this "special operation" in Ukraine. We are beginning to see a much larger mobilisation now with their recent draft of 300,000 troops. They have also been exhausting their old stock of tanks and weaponary to soften up the Ukrainians with the more advanced stuff becoming known to us soon. I am taking the threat of Russia quite seriously consideri the West is financially on the precipice and about to collapse under its own weight... just look at what happened in the UK last Monday where there was almost a financial and economic meltdown.
Indeed. Hitler did not want to lose, and became very dangerous (to his people) once he realized he likely would.
putin got back the russian spirit. he brought them back from being losers. he'd rather die than lose
A lot of Russian citizens who post on social media don't seem too happy
with him. The other day, someone shot and killed one of the conscription officers. Others have been posting videos of the poor living conditions at the conscription dorms.
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weight... just look at what happened in the UK last Monday where there was almost a financial and economic meltdown.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Mon Oct 03 2022 10:39 pm
Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative. Accordito
Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and w the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to belie this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend itdidn'
happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victorywhen
they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reali It's really odd.
As someone who lives in America, the news I have been hearing has not been that Russia was losing since the beginning. Matter of fact, the news earlier on was very bleak for Ukraine. It does not seem that the Russia is losing narrative started up in earnest until after we gave Ukraine a bunch of money.
Maybe we are watching different news sources. I cannot say that there are not any that have been on the "Russia is losing" bandwagon since the beginning, but I didn't see any.
Perhaps you're using different news sources. In Australia, the nightly news says almost nothing about the conflict. The main internet news sites here a mostly putting out stories about how Russia is in trouble, Putin is about to die, Ukraine is winning. They've been doing this for months now.
Maybe the U.S. news is more realistic? That would be a pleasant surprise.
FRom what I've seen, the coverage of Ukreaine has gone down. The news loves stories about Putin and his crazy antics. My guess is the US
press doesn't have the same level of access they do with US military forces. Iknow some reports are intentionally delayed and tactical commentary is discouraged in order to keep the Russians guessing about
the Ukraine's next move.
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As someone who lives in America, the news I have been hearing has not been that Russia was losing since the beginning. Matter of fact, the news earlier on was very bleak for Ukraine. It does not seem that the Russia is losing narrative started up in earnest until after we gave Ukraine a bunch of money.
Perhaps you're using different news sources. In Australia, the nightly news says almost nothing about the conflict. The main internet news sites here
mostly putting out stories about how Russia is in trouble, Putin is about to die, Ukraine is winning. They've been doing this for months now.
Maybe the U.S. news is more realistic? That would be a pleasant surprise.
I will admit they've gotten where they don't say near as much as they
used to about the conflict, that is for sure. It got pushed out of the top spot in the news cycle when the FBI raided Donald Trump. Other things... hurricanes, etc... have managed to, in turn, push that out of the top spot.
What we were hearing, and what we've been hearing lately, does sound realistic. Ukraine has gained some ground but Putin is rounding up the reserves and others with military service and throwing them at the problem, Putin has threatened using nukes, and some in his "circle of advisors" have suggested using low-grade ones.
One other thing that has been in the news lately, and has been fighting for the top spot, is the referrendums that were held in the sections of the country that have long been Russian held that resulted in Russia annexing them outright.
I don't think we've really been getting any serious either side "is winning big" stories in a while.
Several have been clever by denouncing ther mobilisation and the war, but no s
ay it's Putin's fault directly.
A good point about lack of journalistic access to what is going on on the ground. I remember the Gulf War (the first one), and the level of detail in the analysis and coverage. All day coverage for days, which was a lot more than the 2003 Invasion.
Now, people are talking seriously about being on the verge of WWIII, and its not even the top stories. I can go to news.com.au, and the headlines are abou
Kanye, a Kardashian, some "racist rant" on a train, some Instragram rubbish, and what some woman said on TicTok.
On our ABC new site, its not much better.
Articles vying for top spot which are NOT news but merely some journalists musings on some pet social issue they want us to care about.
So I think it is in part what you said, less information, but also in part tha
we have a different breed of journalists who don't know, and don't care, to report to us actual news.
I getr the impression that Russian people are historically been kept poor, and the government keeps the people fed by forcing low food prices and subsidizing liquor. Corruption is rampant, and things do not get doen
During the conflict Russia has been losing an average of 500 trained troops a day. In the approach to Kherson they lost another 2500 in a day or two. Russia's downfall was a high level of corruption over time. The taking of Kie v was thwarted by old dry-rotted Chinese military tires that were never replac ed . New soldiers that have been mobilized are buying their own winter r
gear and camoflage because 1.5 million uniforms are missing. They were eithe
r sold off or the generals who were given funding pocketed the money.
The Russian's anti-rocket reactive armor has been removed and sold off several years ago, and the soldiers who stole it were long gone. The pictures of armor on the news are of T-62 tanks, which were considered effective in the early 1960's. During the onset of war, Russian Su-34's and 37's were ineffective on bombing roles because pilots are trained to fire precision munitions they hard in small quantities, and were forced to use their mk I eyeballs to drop (and miss) older dumb bombs.
If Russia was as well equipped and trained as we used to think, Russia would've taken the Ukraine in 2 or three months. The best upgrade the new AK12 was the optics rail to facilitate modern optics, however troops were not
issued optics because of the theft concern. The newly mobilised troops are probably getting AK-74's made in the 70's or even 60's era AK-47's.
I wouldn't be surprised if they issued every other troop a rifle, and assign his battle buddy with just a magazine.
I am out of the look. WHat has happened in the UK that I have missed?
A good point about lack of journalistic access to what is going on on the ground. I remember the Gulf War (the first one), and the level of detail the analysis and coverage. All day coverage for days, which was a lot mor than the 2003 Invasion.
Yes, I also remember that. It was all the time coverage. I had friends over there so I watched a lot of it. 9/11 and the aftermath (anthrax letters, the DC shooters) had similar coverage.
Now, people are talking seriously about being on the verge of WWIII, and i not even the top stories. I can go to news.com.au, and the headlines are Kanye, a Kardashian, some "racist rant" on a train, some Instragram rubbis and what some woman said on TicTok.
A lot of our "news" is that crap, too. Those shows usually air before or after the local and network news and are dodgy at best but, yeah, there is
a lot about Kim Kardashian lately and her trouble with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Going on a "racist/sexist/xenophobic/anti-alphabet" rant anywhere in public is also going to get a lot of repeat attention if
it gets video recorded by anyone with a cell phone.
On our ABC new site, its not much better.
Articles vying for top spot which are NOT news but merely some journalists musings on some pet social issue they want us to care about.
FOX and CNN websites are like that, too. A lot of things that are opinion pieces that are labeled as news. Others pieces have clickbait headlines but the story is not really what the headline says it is. I have not checked wh the major over-the-air network news sites are like in a while.
So I think it is in part what you said, less information, but also in part we have a different breed of journalists who don't know, and don't care, t report to us actual news.
I cannot disagree there. They like to report what is going to get eyes on their website/network/etc., so, a lot of times it is infotainment or controversial opinion more than "real" news.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Oct 07 2022 12:28 pm
I getr the impression that Russian people are historically been kept poor and the government keeps the people fed by forcing low food prices and subsidizing liquor. Corruption is rampant, and things do not get doen
There is not such a thing as forcing low food prices, and any minister claim otherwise has not seen European countries in the heyday of regulated food prices.
Long story short: if Pedro S nchez sets a max price of one dollar per loaf o bread, but it takes me three dollar to produce it, one of the following is gonna happen:
* I am not going to sell any bread and I am gonna keep all of my bread for family and friends.
* I am going to sell my bread in a dark alley for a price that allows me to turn at least some profit.
What I am not going to do is to sell bread at a loss, specially if the scena os post apocalyptic and food supply is not granted (see post WWII Germany an post Civil War Spain).
PS: There is an old saying: When a cuntry is really fucked up, corruption is not a problem, but the solution. Tha rationale is that if the government is greedy that it allows nothing to be done without paying a tax bribe, or its regulatory demands are so heavy as to be unmeetable by regular people, any public officer willing to facilitate things for a small fee is a benefactor rather than an enemy.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Thu Oct 06 2022 10:41 pm
During the conflict Russia has been losing an average of 500 trained troo a day. In the approach to Kherson they lost another 2500 in a day or two Russia's downfall was a high level of corruption over time. The taking o Kie v was thwarted by old dry-rotted Chinese military tires that were nev replac ed . New soldiers that have been mobilized are buying their own winter r
gear and camoflage because 1.5 million uniforms are missing. They were eithe
r sold off or the generals who were given funding pocketed the money.
The Russian's anti-rocket reactive armor has been removed and sold off several years ago, and the soldiers who stole it were long gone. The pictures of armor on the news are of T-62 tanks, which were considered effective in the early 1960's. During the onset of war, Russian Su-34's 37's were ineffective on bombing roles because pilots are trained to fire precision munitions they hard in small quantities, and were forced to use their mk I eyeballs to drop (and miss) older dumb bombs.
If Russia was as well equipped and trained as we used to think, Russia would've taken the Ukraine in 2 or three months. The best upgrade the ne AK12 was the optics rail to facilitate modern optics, however troops were not
issued optics because of the theft concern. The newly mobilised troops probably getting AK-74's made in the 70's or even 60's era AK-47's.
I wouldn't be surprised if they issued every other troop a rifle, and ass his battle buddy with just a magazine.
I am not too interested in instances of incompetency by the Russian government/military or examples of poor logistics and sourcing of equipment becuase I know the UK military, along with a number of European forces, are a similar state. We, the British, have a load of aircraft carriers with no planes which we like to set sail in the Far East to "intimidate" China to no avail.
This little border skirmish or proxy war is about much more than Ukraine or Russia winning back its former sattelite states. This is a war about global energy, resources, currency, trade, and it involves bigger players, such as China and the USA.
I can spot a powder keg when it's about to go off and I can see that there i much more to this than people give it credit.
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A good point about lack of journalistic access to what is going on on the ground. I remember the Gulf War (the first one), and the level of detail in the analysis and coverage. All day coverage for days, which was a lot more than the 2003 Invasion.
Yes, I also remember that. It was all the time coverage. I had
friends over there so I watched a lot of it. 9/11 and the aftermath (anthrax letters, the DC shooters) had similar coverage.
Now, people are talking seriously about being on the verge of WWIII, and its not even the top stories. I can go to news.com.au, and the headlines are
Kanye, a Kardashian, some "racist rant" on a train, some Instragram rubbish, and what some woman said on TicTok.tha
A lot of our "news" is that crap, too. Those shows usually air before
or after the local and network news and are dodgy at best but, yeah,
there is a lot about Kim Kardashian lately and her trouble with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Going on a "racist/sexist/xenophobic/anti-alphabet" rant anywhere in public is
also going to get a lot of repeat attention if it gets video recorded
by anyone with a cell phone.
On our ABC new site, its not much better.
Articles vying for top spot which are NOT news but merely some journalists musings on some pet social issue they want us to care about.
FOX and CNN websites are like that, too. A lot of things that are
opinion pieces that are labeled as news. Others pieces have clickbait headlines but the story is not really what the headline says it is. I have not checked what the major over-the-air network news sites are
like in a while.
So I think it is in part what you said, less information, but also in part
we have a different breed of journalists who don't know, and don't care, to report to us actual news.
I cannot disagree there. They like to report what is going to get eyes
on their website/network/etc., so, a lot of times it is infotainment or controversial opinion more than "real" news.
There is an old adage, "an army travels on it's stomach, " and the troops on the logistics end have stratgeies regarding transporting vital equipment as well as keep the supply chain moving reagarding the sourcing and purchase on new ammo and repair parts. This is where the Russians screwed up. Assuming their logistics were on par with what is supposedly being the one of the largest top fighting forces, even old equipment sitting on shelvess must be accounted for, then replaced or upgraded as needed. If you have a pntry of perishable foods, you have to rotate your canned goods so that long term storage items are in safe, edible condition and consumed before they expire, otherwise you're eating items with 3+ years shelf life and the back of the pantry is loaded with cans 10 years past the "eat before" date.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sat Oct 08 2022 11:21 pm
There is an old adage, "an army travels on it's stomach, " and the troops on the logistics end have stratgeies regarding transporting vital equipment as well as keep the supply chain moving reagarding the sourcing and purchase on new ammo and repair parts. This is where the Russians screwed up. Assuming their logistics were on par with what is supposedly being the one of the largest top fighting forces, even old equipment sitting on shelvess must be accounted for, then replaced or upgraded as needed. If you have a pntry of perishable foods, you have to rotate your canned goods so that long term storage items are in safe, edible condition and consumed before they expire, otherwise you're eating items with 3+ years shelf life and the back of the pantry is loaded with cans 10 years past the "eat before" date.
<SNIP>
I agree with everything you've said. The problem is that you are
assuming the Russians, as a whole, are incompetent. This is simply propoganda as this information is coming to you from the MSM and other controlled biased outlets.
I reckon if you watch Russia Today, you will find similar stories of
how woefully unprepared the Ukranains are along with stories on how hollowed out NATO armies are.
The Russians are not incompetent, they've never historically been incompetent, and I doubt things have changed. I know that this is going
to blow up and it will involve NATO forces, and no, we won't just roll
in there with our superior soldiers and more advanced weaponary and
wipe them out. That will simply not happen and I have no idea where Westerners get their confidence from (other than from the MSM).
I hope you are right, but I would put my life savings on you being
wrong about there being to worry about. I know as well as you do that Ukraine's days are numbered and there is so much animosity between the East, China included, and the West that this little war is going to
have dire consequenses for all the rest of us.
What concerns me a lot is our hubris. We stomp all over the world as if we own the place, and I think we don't quite understand how much of a threat we appear to be to Russia and China. We've been accustomed to thinking that we are the world, that our ideas, our actions are the new-normal and the world really should follow our example.
We turn entire continents upside down, have reshaped Europe, and we think we're going to get away with this? Russia is going to sit idly by as a new Western Fascism emerges? China is just going to sit by?
Our belief that we are the only game in town is all we've got left. We're a spent civilisation, and a new power is seeing the emerging vacuum.
Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sat Oct 08 2022 11:21 pm
There is an old adage, "an army travels on it's stomach, " and the troops the logistics end have stratgeies regarding transporting vital equipment well as keep the supply chain moving reagarding the sourcing and purchase new ammo and repair parts. This is where the Russians screwed up. Assumi their logistics were on par with what is supposedly being the one of the largest top fighting forces, even old equipment sitting on shelvess must accounted for, then replaced or upgraded as needed. If you have a pntry perishable foods, you have to rotate your canned goods so that long term storage items are in safe, edible condition and consumed before they expi otherwise you're eating items with 3+ years shelf life and the back of th pantry is loaded with cans 10 years past the "eat before" date.
<SNIP>
I agree with everything you've said. The problem is that you are assuming th Russians, as a whole, are incompetent. This is simply propoganda as this information is coming to you from the MSM and other controlled biased outlet
I reckon if you watch Russia Today, you will find similar stories of how woefully unprepared the Ukranains are along with stories on how hollowed out NATO armies are.
The Russians are not incompetent, they've never historically been incompeten and I doubt things have changed. I know that this is going to blow up and it will involve NATO forces, and no, we won't just roll in there with our super soldiers and more advanced weaponary and wipe them out. That will simply not happen and I have no idea where Westerners get their confidence from (other than from the MSM).
I hope you are right, but I would put my life savings on you being wrong abo there being to worry about. I know as well as you do that Ukraine's days are numbered and there is so much animosity between the East, China included, an the West that this little war is going to have dire consequenses for all the rest of us.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sat Oct 08 2022 11:21 pm
There is an old adage, "an army travels on it's stomach, " and the troops the logistics end have stratgeies regarding transporting vital equipment well as keep the supply chain moving reagarding the sourcing and purchase new ammo and repair parts. This is where the Russians screwed up. Assumi their logistics were on par with what is supposedly being the one of the largest top fighting forces, even old equipment sitting on shelvess must accounted for, then replaced or upgraded as needed. If you have a pntry perishable foods, you have to rotate your canned goods so that long term storage items are in safe, edible condition and consumed before they expi otherwise you're eating items with 3+ years shelf life and the back of th pantry is loaded with cans 10 years past the "eat before" date.
<SNIP>
I agree with everything you've said. The problem is that you are assuming the Russians, as a whole, are incompetent. This is simply propoganda as this information is coming to you from the MSM and other controlled biased outlets.
I reckon if you watch Russia Today, you will find similar stories of how woefully unprepared the Ukranains are along with stories on how hollowed out NATO armies are.
The Russians are not incompetent, they've never historically been incompetent, and I doubt things have changed. I know that this is going to blow up and it will involve NATO forces, and no, we won't just roll in there with our superior soldiers and more advanced weaponary and wipe them out. That will simply not happen and I have no idea where Westerners get their confidence from (other than from the MSM).
I hope you are right, but I would put my life savings on you being wrong about there being to worry about. I know as well as you do that Ukraine's days are numbered and there is so much animosity between the East, China included, and the West that this little war is going to have dire consequenses for all the rest of us.
What concerns me a lot is our hubris. We stomp all over the world as if we the place, and I think we don't quite understand how much of a threat we app to be to Russia and China. We've been accustomed to thinking that we are th world, that our ideas, our actions are the new-normal and the world really should follow our example.
We turn entire continents upside down, have reshaped Europe, and we think we going to get away with this? Russia is going to sit idly by as a new Wester Fascism emerges? China is just going to sit by?
Our belief that we are the only game in town is all we've got left. We're a spent civilisation, and a new power is seeing the emerging vacuum.
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You're correct on the shooting holes. I'm working off memory. White supremist is not correct either. Skecthy looking white folk in camoflage
was how they were profiled.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Mon Oct 10 2022 10:16 pm
What concerns me a lot is our hubris. We stomp all over the world as if we own the place, and I think we don't quite understand how much of a threat we appear to be to Russia and China. We've been accustomed to thinking that we are the world, that our ideas, our actions are the new-normal and the world really should follow our example.
We turn entire continents upside down, have reshaped Europe, and we think we're going to get away with this? Russia is going to sit idly by as a new Western Fascism emerges? China is just going to sit by?
Our belief that we are the only game in town is all we've got left. We're a spent civilisation, and a new power is seeing the emerging vacuum.
I do not think I have met anyone in real life who has taken the threat
of Russia and China seriously. This shows how far the MSN has seized control of people's minds. Russia and China are not backwater nations, they are superpowers unlike Afghanistan and Iraq, lol.
We are suffering as it stands with the cost of living crisis in the UK where we are all paying 4x the normal price of energy along with rising food costs of around 15-20% and inflation increasing day by day. I
don't know how anyone can fix this. I don't even want to think how bad conditions are going to become if we end up involved in all out war.
We are just normal people and we want to live our lives, why can't our governments understand that?
Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Fri Oct 07 2022 03:21 am
I am out of the look. WHat has happened in the UK that I have missed?
The Pound Sterling dropped to its lowest value in the exchange rate vs the USD
at 1.03 per USD. The UK's pensions industry is basically a ponzi scheme using
borrowed money as there are no safe investment opportunities that give a good
return on investment due to the extremely low interest rates we have had over
the last 15 years. Most investment firms have to provide a 6 percent return which is impossible, however the pensions industry have used clients money to
borrow far more cash which they have then spent in the UK government bonds market to bring in a more suitable return. The low pound meant that banks and
creditors were issuing margin calls which the pension funds could not pay as they were so highly leveraged, and so the whole industry almost came crumbling
down along with all private pensions. The Bank of England (BoE) intervened by
printing money and purchasing goverment bonds to stabilise the currency once again. As we know, there is only so much money you can print before inflation
becomes a huge issue. They are unable to carry out quantitiative tightening now
to combat inflation as they have made it monetary policy to carry out quantitative easing. Hyper-inflation will occur as the goverment are completely
out of ideas on how to tackle the mess they've found themselves in.
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Price fixing is done through subsidies. The government uses tax
money to pay the suppliers so the end price is much
less to the end buyer. The goverment pays to shear the sheep out of subsidy money so there's a supply wool available during winter coat season.
youtubers. The Russian youtubers do videos on going to the mall or large grocery stores and show how trade sanctions are hurting their economy. Several of thir more popular food staples, such as potatoes, h ave raised in price, but have lowered in quality. Smaller type potatos souced from farms that a putting in lower bids and cutting corners such as not washing or spraying off the mud on potatoes. The prices are decided on the most basic staples, but premium or luxxury meats and vegetables can charge more for their product. I can imagine potatoes, rice, and beans being cheap. Eggs and milk have tighter margins. Discount meats would be pork shoulders and other areas smaller chunks of meatr remain after processing.
Dont' forget about MS's bastardization of Sun Java o make it "run better" in Windows by forcing the developers to choose Windows or Apple compatibilty.
I have met people who have taken the threat of China quite seriously. Chinese influence is strong in Australia, as is Chinese migration so we see it more keenly. Chinese leasing the a Darwin Port, buying up land and properties here at a great degree. Also, Australia is geographically closer, quite tied to China through trade. Asia is on our doorstop, and we're more likely to be close to any Asian conflict than the UK is. Though the people who are concerned are still a minority for now.
Russians are in it for an ugly ride because they are at war. So do we, even if it is
an indirect war.
I don't expect most people to be able to afford energy next year in Spain. I have been
talking to people who do industrial contracts and it is getting nuts. It has reached a
point in which you may want to open a carrot processing plant and the power company
denies you a power contract because they don't have electric power to sell to you.
The Russians are biding their time as our economies are due to collapse in t very near future. I see that a lot of Western industry is going to shutdown as energy bills are making production non-viable. Soon we shall have to pivo to a war economy if we are going to survive as the only way continue our existence at the moment is to print money. The UK's central bank has already pivoted and US bankers are expecting the Fed to do the same along with Europ central banks. We have nothing left now and are really on the brink of econo collapse. The next year or two is being to be extremely interesting.
Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Andeddu to Arelor on Thu Oct 13 2022 06:51 pm
The Russians are biding their time as our economies are due to collapse i very near future. I see that a lot of Western industry is going to shutdo as energy bills are making production non-viable. Soon we shall have to p to a war economy if we are going to survive as the only way continue our existence at the moment is to print money. The UK's central bank has alre pivoted and US bankers are expecting the Fed to do the same along with Eu central banks. We have nothing left now and are really on the brink of ec collapse. The next year or two is being to be extremely interesting.
I actually suspect the plan of the Eastern powers is to let our economies collapse under their own weight. We don't need outside powers to destroy us. are very good at it without any help.
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I remember a version of Netscape you could pay for. But I also
remember Netscape being freely available for download on their
web site. That's what I used.. I didn't use Mosaic.
That was Microsoft's philosophy of "embrace, extend, extinguish".
Their Java and IE were a couple of examples.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Tue Oct 11 2022 09:44 pm
I have met people who have taken the threat of China quite seriously. Chinese influence is strong in Australia, as is Chinese migration so we see it more keenly. Chinese leasing the a Darwin Port, buying up land and properties here at a great degree. Also, Australia is geographically closer, quite tied to China through trade. Asia is on our doorstop, and we're more likely to be close to any Asian conflict than the UK is. Though the people who are concerned are still a minority for now.
No one in the UK is mentioning anything in relation to China from what
I can see. I haven't heard a single person speak about them at all as everything appears to be focused on Russia and their alleged
ineptitude. People act like this is just a joke however everyone is
paying 4x more for their energy bills and the banks are about to
collapse, haha. I don't get it, I reckon a lot of people are going to suffer a kind of reality check soon when our comfortable way of life
goes down the shitter.
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Reading them one by one at the aforementioned news sources
would be a lumbering process.
i'm sure there's something like fark but for regular news.
or you can use .rss to generate a list.
Never heard of fark. Tried fark.com. Don't like it. Full of
ads, and a bit unresponsive as it gets busy serving ads and
that wastes mobile data.
Yes.. /rss or /feed/rss seems to work with the news sites (like
the main https://www.kyivpost.com/feed and https://censor.net/
en/feed) that UKRNEWS uses most of the time. But visiting each
one separately takes time, and each display wastes screen
space. An rss feed in the browser only shows my 5 headlines at
a time. Whereas UKRNEWS show me over 20. PLUS.. after I pull in
UKRNEWS there is also the advantage of having those headlines +
the excerpt stored locally so that I search for particular key
words like "baltic" and just get THOSE headlines.
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I have met people who have taken the threat of China quite seriously. Chinese influence is strong in Australia, as is Chinese migration so we see it more keenly. Chinese leasing the a Darwin Port, buying up land
and properties here at a great degree. Also, Australia is
geographically closer, quite tied to China through trade. Asia is on
our doorstop, and we're more likely to be close to any Asian conflict
than the UK is. Though the people who are concerned are still a
minority for now.
Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Andeddu to Boraxman on Thu Oct 13 2022 06:40 pm
I have met people who have taken the threat of China quite seriously. Chinese influence is strong in Australia, as is Chinese migration so we see it more keenly. Chinese leasing the a Darwin Port, buying up land and properties here at a great degree. Also, Australia is geographically closer, quite tied to China through trade. Asia is on our doorstop, and we're more likely to be close to any Asian conflict than the UK is. Though the people who are concerned are still a minority for now.
The US better not fuck with those people. We'll get out asses kicked!
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