• Re: The stay home and not

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OTTO REVERSE on Tue Jan 25 16:18:00 2022
    Socialism etc don't work anywhere. Never have.

    Norway and Switzerland aren't socialist. They are high-tax welfare states. The
    S is a low-tax (relatively) welfare state. The Scandinavian countries are free
    arket capitalist nations. But they have large social programs (which is not so
    alism) paid for by high taxes.

    There is an alleged Swede in the FIDO POLITICS echo who claims that Sweden
    and Norway are socialists and are perfect examples of it.

    I have been wanting to burst his bubble but don't feel motivated enough to
    do so. :)


    * SLMR 2.1a * "Mmmmmmmm.....chocolate."

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Tue Jan 25 23:42:38 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Dumas Walker to OTTO REVERSE on Tue Jan 25 2022 04:18 pm

    There is an alleged Swede in the FIDO POLITICS echo who claims that Sweden and Norway are socialists and are perfect examples of it.

    I have been wanting to burst his bubble but don't feel motivated enough to do so. :)


    they have a lot of socialist policies.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Jan 26 16:22:00 2022
    There is an alleged Swede in the FIDO POLITICS echo who claims that Sweden and Norway are socialists and are perfect examples of it.

    I have been wanting to burst his bubble but don't feel motivated enough to do so. :)


    they have a lot of socialist policies.

    That they do, but they heavily tax their capitalist businesses (and
    citizens) in order to provide those socialist policies.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Tell me, is something eluding you, Sunshine?

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Otto Reverse@VERT/BEERS20 to Dumas Walker on Wed Jan 26 15:47:00 2022
    There is an alleged Swede in the FIDO POLITICS echo who claims that
    Sweden and Norway are socialists and are perfect examples of it.

    lol, well he likely is just "alleged" and not an actual Swede. Sweden did experiment with socialism (60s and 70s) if I recall) but eventually realized it was bringing them down hard and they managed to shake it off.
  • From Otto Reverse@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Wed Jan 26 15:57:00 2022
    they have a lot of socialist policies.

    Not trying to be a jerk or sound anti-American, so please don't take it that way. But that is a very American take that has always been false. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production. Venezuela is a true socialist nation. They first nationalized the petroleum industry then when they ran out of money they nationalized other industries.

    Yes socialist countries like to have lots of social programs like the Scandinavian countries. But they try to afford those social programs by said nationalization of industry. Whereas the Scandinavian countries pay for it through high taxes. The socialists like to pretend industry will pay for it because before socialism they were greedy and corrupt. Whereas the Scandinavians know their taxes are paying for their services. They don't have any delusions about "free health care". They can read their pay stubs and tax returns. Being small mostly homogeneous countries greatly helps them too.
  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Dumas Walker on Wed Jan 26 21:35:55 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Dumas Walker to OTTO REVERSE on Tue Jan 25 2022 04:18 pm

    There is an alleged Swede in the FIDO POLITICS echo who claims that Sweden and Norway are socialists and are perfect examples of it.

    I have been wanting to burst his bubble but don't feel motivated enough to do so. :)

    Both were capitalist free-market economies for many decades. They have only recently been taken over by rabbid socialists and both have paid very dearly for it.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ BBS for Amstrad computer users including CPC, PPC and PCW!
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OTTO REVERSE on Thu Jan 27 16:03:00 2022
    There is an alleged Swede in the FIDO POLITICS echo who claims that Sweden and Norway are socialists and are perfect examples of it.

    lol, well he likely is just "alleged" and not an actual Swede. Sweden did exp
    iment with socialism (60s and 70s) if I recall) but eventually realized it was
    ringing them down hard and they managed to shake it off.

    It is difficult to finance those social programs without enough people who
    are making money and paying heavy taxes on it.


    * SLMR 2.1a * "Mmmmmmmm.....pie pants."

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OTTO REVERSE on Thu Jan 27 16:51:00 2022
    lol, well he likely is just "alleged" and not an actual Swede. Sweden did exp
    iment with socialism (60s and 70s) if I recall) but eventually realized it was
    ringing them down hard and they managed to shake it off.

    I think he is but likes to make Swedes, and himself, sound superior to
    others.


    * SLMR 2.1a * "Did you open the Microwave door before the 'ding'"?

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Otto Reverse@VERT/BEERS20 to Dumas Walker on Fri Jan 28 17:06:00 2022
    It is difficult to finance those social programs without enough people
    who are making money and paying heavy taxes on it.

    Right. Which is why it works well in Scandinavian countries that are small and largely homogeneous societies that agree to work and pay said taxes in exchange for the services.
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun Feb 6 10:15:00 2022
    I don't know if amendments are a problem, as long as it's accompanied by a well-defined process for amendment by the body adhering to it, and an apolitical judicial group that defends the constitution against attempts to skirt it and abridge the rights of people outside of the amendment process. You know, sort of like what we used to have.

    I think the reason we don't have it now is because one side, and now both,
    have realized it is difficult to get enough of America to agree on
    something in order to get their Amendments passed.

    So instead they try passing laws that they hope no one ever questions.


    * SLMR 2.1a * You radiate cold shafts of broken glass!

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Sat Feb 19 10:43:00 2022
    The US government seems hostile to the people who founded it.

    Yes. That level of hostility seems to fluctuate some but is always there.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Artificial intelligence is better than none.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DREAM MASTER on Thu Feb 24 16:36:00 2022
    he's also done more for black people, people in prison, and animals than an
    other president for many years.

    (snort) ... Come on, you're trying to be serious, right?

    Much lower black unemployment than his (ironically black) predecessor.
    He got some people who were falsely accused out of prison.
    He apparently passed some laws regarding animal cruelity that increased the penalties.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Veni, Vidi, Velcro. (I came, I saw, I stuck around)

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Thu Feb 24 16:36:00 2022
    Actually I think the US is having more international crisis exploding at its face since Trump is not in office.

    Yes we are.

    For all the talk about Trump being divisive and trashy, he didn't pour gasolin
    on burning fires like this. He posted mean tweets, which I suppose is at least
    as bad in the eyes of the public...

    For many Americans, the mean tweets being gone means they don't care about anything else bad that might be going on now.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Veni, Vidi, Visa. (I came, I saw, I charged it.)

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Thu Feb 24 16:36:00 2022
    He didn't divest of his business interests. He continued gaining
    wealth while in office.

    Why shouldn't he? Here's a question for ya: Name me a politician in Washington, DC that *DOESN'T* gain wealth in office. Here's a starting
    point for you: Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders.

    Difference between Trump and others was that Trump continued making money
    from his businesses. The others have made money being politicians,
    something they should not be able to do. Obama is a lot richer after being President, for example. So is Bill Clinton.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Do unto others BEFORE they do unto YOU.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DENN on Thu Feb 24 16:36:00 2022
    Fuck the world, we're not here to please the fucking world, and we're not her
    to be the worlds police force like we have been since WWII.

    I think that is what Trump was trying to get us away from... paying to
    protect others who are not doing much of anything for us. That was a
    WWII/Cold War thing that has passed its usefulness.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Energize! said Picard....and this pink bunny appeared...

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 24 23:04:50 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:36 pm

    he's also done more for black people, people in prison, and animals
    than an other president for many years.

    (snort) ... Come on, you're trying to be serious, right?

    Much lower black unemployment than his (ironically black) predecessor.
    He got some people who were falsely accused out of prison.
    He apparently passed some laws regarding animal cruelity that increased the penalties.

    He dosen't want facts, he wants a narrative that matches his hatred of Donald J Trump, He has TDS.

    ... Those who live by the sword... kill those who don't.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 24 23:11:15 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Thu Feb 24 2022 04:36 pm

    Fuck the world, we're not here to please the fucking world, and we're
    not her to be the worlds police force like we have been since WWII.

    I think that is what Trump was trying to get us away from... paying to protect others who are not doing much of anything for us. That was a WWII/Cold War thing that has passed its usefulness.

    My point exactly :)
    If they want protection from Russia and other bad actor countries you'd think they would pony up some cash to pay their share, after all it's them that are in Putins cross hairs, Russia knows we can defend the homeland.

    ... If you pull the wings off a fly, does it become a walk?

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ outwestbbs.com - the Outwest BBS
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DENN on Fri Feb 25 15:32:00 2022
    I think that is what Trump was trying to get us away from... paying to protect others who are not doing much of anything for us. That was a WWII/Cold War thing that has passed its usefulness.

    My point exactly :)
    If they want protection from Russia and other bad actor countries you'd think
    they would pony up some cash to pay their share, after all it's them that are in Putins cross hairs, Russia knows we can defend the homeland.

    Yes.

    I visted Canada back in 2017. Ran into a Canadian citizen who volunteered
    in the US armed forces so he could see more of the world. He also wanted
    his kids to have a choice as to which country they lived in. Whenever
    people found out I was from the US, politics became a topic they liked to ask me about. This fellow pointed out that Europeans dislike the US... until
    they need our money or our troops.

    One thing I liked about Trump was that I was pretty sure these fair-weather friends of ours were not going to get these things for free like they did
    from previous administrations.


    * SLMR 2.1a * SYSOP (sih' sawp) n. The guy laughing at your typing.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 25 17:55:10 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Fri Feb 25 2022 03:32 pm

    I visted Canada back in 2017. Ran into a Canadian citizen who volunteered in the US armed forces so he could see more of the world. He also wanted his kids to have a choice as to which country they lived in. Whenever people found out I was from the US, politics became a topic they liked to as me about. This fellow pointed out that Europeans dislike the US... until they need our money or our troops.


    Actually, we Europeans seem to hate the US, but we don't stop if we happen to need American funds or troops. We just take them and keep on hating.


    If I was American I would be pissed off.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Arelor on Sat Feb 26 11:14:00 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Arelor to Dumas Walker on Fri Feb 25 2022 05:55 pm

    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Dumas Walker to DENN on Fri Feb 25 2022 03:32 pm

    I visted Canada back in 2017. Ran into a Canadian citizen who volunteere in the US armed forces so he could see more of the world. He also wanted his kids to have a choice as to which country they lived in. Whenever people found out I was from the US, politics became a topic they liked to me about. This fellow pointed out that Europeans dislike the US... until they need our money or our troops.


    Actually, we Europeans seem to hate the US, but we don't stop if we happen t need American funds or troops. We just take them and keep on hating.


    If I was American I would be pissed off.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken






    what do you think the source of the hatred is based on?

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.net
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Sat Feb 26 10:20:00 2022
    I visted Canada back in 2017. Ran into a Canadian citizen who volunteered in the US armed forces so he could see more of the world. He also wanted his kids to have a choice as to which country they lived in. Whenever people found out I was from the US, politics became a topic they liked to a
    me about. This fellow pointed out that Europeans dislike the US... until they need our money or our troops.

    Actually, we Europeans seem to hate the US, but we don't stop if we happen to need American funds or troops. We just take them and keep on hating.

    I think that may have been his point... they act like they like us so we
    will give them the funds and troops. I don't think they really change
    their minds much while doing so. :)

    If I was American I would be pissed off.

    I think that was part of how Trump got elected, and why some were very
    upset when he was not re-elected.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Gender: ___ Male ___ Female _X_ Wraeththu

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Moondog on Sat Feb 26 21:34:35 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Moondog to Arelor on Sat Feb 26 2022 11:14 am

    Actually, we Europeans seem to hate the US, but we don't stop if we happe need American funds or troops. We just take them and keep on hating.


    If I was American I would be pissed off.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken






    what do you think the source of the hatred is based on?


    I am not sure, to be honest.

    My theory is that the US is culturally an alien thing to Europeans. US culture is based on limiting the power of the ruling class because the ruling class in inherently untrustworthy. Europeans try to solve most of their social problems by giving more power to the power and seem to think that doing otherwise is something fitting barbarians (ie. only barbarians without functional police need a 2nd amendment and only barbarians without socialist healthcare need private hospital services).

    If you check popular Spanish meme sites, Americans are usually portrayed as fat rednecks who need a scooter to move around :-S

    Then there are "Ąlittle" things such as the fact a lot of Europeans are
    goodist pacifist, to the point they would not defend themselves if a random sucker started beating on them, and since the US is regarded as a militaristic power, it is automatically worthy of hate for them.


    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Tue Mar 22 17:01:00 2022
    Socailism works at smaller population levels and it requires everyone to buy into it to work. In communes and family farms, people take care of each other. Once the old are too old to work, they are taken care of. Until that happens, everybody works. Eferybody has a job and is expected to do it even if they don't like it because it is necessary. If you slip up once in awhile, it's ok because others will pick up the slack, but if you're dead weight or refuse to work, there's no place for you. I think the psuedo educated liberals forget about the down side. Society had to be structured so that jobs get filled regardless what the individual wants. Individual rights are over ruled by social responsibilities.

    That and Americans who seem to want socialism either want, or believe that there will still be, a class that does not work and lives off of the productivity of others. They do not understand the "no place for you"
    concept.

    Yes, that happens to some extent now, but they want it to be fully-government-sponsored and official.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Genealogy. Tracing descent from someone who didn't.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Wed Mar 23 20:46:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-

    @MSGID: <623A3BDD.24743.dove-deb@capitolcityonline.net>
    @REPLY: <smb_getmsgidx
    Socailism works at smaller population levels and it requires everyone to buy into it to work. In communes and family farms, people take care of each other. Once the old are too old to work, they are taken care of. Until
    that
    happens, everybody works. Eferybody has a job and is expected to do it even if they don't like it because it is necessary. If you slip up once in awhile, it's ok because others will pick up the slack, but if you're dead weight or refuse to work, there's no place for you. I think the psuedo educated liberals forget about the down side. Society had to be structured so that jobs get filled regardless what the individual wants. Individual rights are over ruled by social responsibilities.

    That and Americans who seem to want socialism either want, or believe
    that there will still be, a class that does not work and lives off of
    the productivity of others. They do not understand the "no place for
    you" concept.

    Yes, that happens to some extent now, but they want it to be fully-government-sponsored and official.

    Socialism and Capitalism both are promoted by people who believe there is a class which will live off the productivity of others. Both systems offer that promise of mooching off others, just to different demographics. The fight between Socialism and Capitalism is really these two demographics deciding who gets to mooch of the workers.

    Capitalism is winning because it has convinced the workers that their mooching is better, and perhaps it is in practice (for now) but it is still mooching. Maybe in the future Chinese "Capitalism" will win over Western "Capitalism", the former being more Communist than the latter.

    You don't replace one parasite with another which is less harmful. You clear yourself of parasites.


    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    ■ Synchronet ■ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org
  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Wed Mar 23 02:12:00 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Tue Mar 22 2022 05:01 pm

    Socailism works at smaller population levels and it requires everyone to b into it to work. In communes and family farms, people take care of each other. Once the old are too old to work, they are taken care of. Until t happens, everybody works. Eferybody has a job and is expected to do it ev if they don't like it because it is necessary. If you slip up once in awhile, it's ok because others will pick up the slack, but if you're dead weight or refuse to work, there's no place for you. I think the psuedo educated liberals forget about the down side. Society had to be structure so that jobs get filled regardless what the individual wants. Individual rights are over ruled by social responsibilities.

    That and Americans who seem to want socialism either want, or believe that there will still be, a class that does not work and lives off of the productivity of others. They do not understand the "no place for you" concept.

    Yes, that happens to some extent now, but they want it to be fully-government-sponsored and official.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Genealogy. Tracing descent from someone who didn't.

    Bingo. The folks taking liberal degrees may have never been able to take
    them in a socialist system, unless there is a need for such a position and
    they can pass the testing to get that job. The system may tolerate a student or two dropping out or not acquiring the job they were trained for, and the system will compensate for that by not offering classes or programs that are not required at that moment.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.net
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Boraxman on Wed Mar 23 08:05:00 2022
    Boraxman wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Socialism and Capitalism both are promoted by people who believe there
    is a class which will live off the productivity of others.

    It's readily appearant that Socialism promotes this (ex. Bernie). But where is a good example of Capitalism promoting this?

    The fight between Socialism and Capitalism is really
    these two demographics deciding who gets to mooch of the workers.

    Ahh.. Never mind. There it is. The old (literally) Marx propaganda about the "exploitation of the workers".

    Capitalism is winning because it has convinced the workers that their mooching is better,

    Nothing of the sort. Capitalism is winning because it has PROVEN to be better for the workers. Where's the "worker revolts" that Marx and Engels (and other ignorant, useless marxists) predicted? They never happened. Why? Because the standard of living of said workers went up, and continued to go up.

    Capitalism brings EVERYONE up (as opposed to Socialism which brings everyone down).

    The only people who push for Socialism are people who are lazy and stupid, but want to believe that they are important enough for society to support them.


    ... I may be wrong, but I'm never in doubt!
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    ■ Synchronet ■ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Wed Mar 23 16:15:00 2022
    That and Americans who seem to want socialism either want, or believe that there will still be, a class that does not work and lives off of the productivity of others. They do not understand the "no place for you" concept.

    Bingo. The folks taking liberal degrees may have never been able to take them in a socialist system, unless there is a need for such a position and they can pass the testing to get that job. The system may tolerate a student or two dropping out or not acquiring the job they were trained for, and the system will compensate for that by not offering classes or programs that are not required at that moment.

    Yeah, if the US ever goes that route, I think some people who thought they wanted it will be disappointed when they (1) cannot major in unemployable subjects, and (2) have to be employed and doing their part.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Psychics will lead dogs to your body.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dr. What on Thu Mar 24 20:46:00 2022
    Dr. What wrote to Boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <623B1172.45272.dove-debate@dmine.net>
    @REPLY: <623AED91.22898.dove-deb@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    It's readily appearant that Socialism promotes this (ex. Bernie). But where is a good example of Capitalism promoting this?

    People earning a passive income. I manage a large share portfolio, not my personal one, but the money came from inflated asset prices, which was then put into shares, so the company earns dividends from the productive work of others.

    We literally did NOTHING to earn this money, produced NOTHING yet have a steady income stream. This is a feature of Capitalism.

    Ahh.. Never mind. There it is. The old (literally) Marx propaganda
    about the "exploitation of the workers".

    As I just outlined, people are seeking to obtain an income from productive activity while not being productive themselves. That is mooching.

    You might have a justification for it, but I'm describing it as it appears. People taking a cut of productive activity by holding capital. Rent seekers are the same.

    This has nothing to do with "surplus value".

    Nothing of the sort. Capitalism is winning because it has PROVEN to be better for the workers. Where's the "worker revolts" that Marx and
    Engels (and other ignorant, useless marxists) predicted? They never happened. Why? Because the standard of living of said workers went
    up, and continued to go up.

    Thats what I said, it works better. But being better doens't justify stagnation and not progressing further. It still have fundamental flaws and issues regarding property rights.

    Capitalism brings EVERYONE up (as opposed to Socialism which brings everyone down).

    The only people who push for Socialism are people who are lazy and
    stupid, but want to believe that they are important enough for society
    to support them.

    Based on what I'm experience, Capitalism is pushing people down now due to its failures. I literally had to turn down a MANAGERIAL position because I couldn't afford to move near where the job was, and the job isn't in Manhattan or Monte Carlo, it was in the suburbs of Melbourne.

    That is a failing system. We've tried dealing with this crisis, the housing crisis using Capitalistic solutions, and they haven't worked. There is a problem with distribution of resources.

    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    ■ Synchronet ■ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org
  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Dumas Walker on Thu Mar 24 08:24:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to MOONDOG <=-

    Yeah, if the US ever goes that route, I think some people who thought
    they wanted it will be disappointed when they (1) cannot major in unemployable subjects, and (2) have to be employed and doing their
    part.

    We're already seeing that today.

    All those whiny grads with useless degrees complaining that no one will pay them the 6 figures that they believe they deserve - so they can pay off their student loans for those useless degrees.


    ... Money is like a promise, easier made then kept.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    ■ Synchronet ■ Diamond Mine Online BBS - bbs.dmine.net:24 - Fredericksburg, VA USA
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Thu Mar 24 15:45:00 2022
    If you look at Canada's socialized medical program, people have to travel a hundred miles or more to a major city for an MRI or CAT scan. When a doctor gives an opinion, there is no second opinions or hoping the system will pay for another doctor to look you over. Just hope the doctor you get doesn't misdiagnose the symptoms and chop out something that shouldn't have been removed.

    I heard that from a couple of people I met in Canada. One of them was
    nearing 80 but in good health. He lived in a smaller town on the north coast of Lake Superior. He had received a letter from the government telling him that he needed to *move* to one of those major cities in order to be
    guaranteed proper health care. He contacted them and let them know that, when he moved South, it would be to Florida and a private health care plan.

    The other one had volunteered to serve in the US Military when he was
    younger. I met him in a bordertown. He was staying there so that he could travel across into the US and see his VA doctor. I was surprised as you
    often hear not so great things about the US VA medical services. He said
    that they were better than his socialized services in Canada and that he
    was very glad to have them.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Wasting time is an important part of life.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Thu Mar 24 15:47:00 2022
    Yeah, if the US ever goes that route, I think some people who thought they wanted it will be disappointed when they (1) cannot major in unemployable subjects, and (2) have to be employed and doing their
    part.

    We're already seeing that today.

    All those whiny grads with useless degrees complaining that no one will pay them the 6 figures that they believe they deserve - so they can pay off their student loans for those useless degrees.

    Yes, but a lot of those folks believe that we should become a socialist
    country so that they don't have to get a job at all when, in reality, a socialist government probably won't let them go to college and major in something useless, and they won't let them just sit around and do nothing
    while the mooch off the government.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Illiterate? Want to learn to read? Write for free info.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dr. What@VERT/CFBBS to Dumas Walker on Fri Mar 25 08:34:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Yes, but a lot of those folks believe that we should become a socialist country so that they don't have to get a job at all when, in reality, a socialist government probably won't let them go to college and major in something useless, and they won't let them just sit around and do
    nothing while the mooch off the government.

    But they look at people like Bernie Sanders, who never worked in his life, yet has a rich life style.

    But no one ever said that these socialist-liking people could comprehend reality.


    ... If you want the last word with a woman, apologize.
    ___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52

    --- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A47 2021/09/29 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Fri Mar 25 16:03:00 2022
    Yes, but a lot of those folks believe that we should become a socialist country so that they don't have to get a job at all when, in reality, a socialist government probably won't let them go to college and major in something useless, and they won't let them just sit around and do nothing while the mooch off the government.

    But they look at people like Bernie Sanders, who never worked in his life, yet
    has a rich life style.

    Yes, some of them could become politicians, or members of the nomenklatura,
    and do OK, but that does require some effort, even if most of us would not
    call it "work."

    But no one ever said that these socialist-liking people could comprehend reality.

    I know I did not say that. :)


    * SLMR 2.1a * Oh very clever Worf, eat any good books lately?

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Fri Mar 25 15:55:00 2022
    There is a reason why US Constitutionalist are so anal with their Constitutional rights, and are always bitching "the Constitution this" and "th
    Constitution that." The reason is no other than the fact the State is recognized as a rotten entity which cannot be trusted with limitless power. Th
    very existence of bills or rights and the like (which are very, VERY Western) is an open admission that State's power structures will be used to stomp the population if left uncheck.

    Exactly. The founding father's, coming out from under the bootheel of the British, were very familiar with what unchecked power could allow a State
    to do.


    * SLMR 2.1a * "Bother", said Pooh, as he pulled the cat off his face.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sun Mar 27 01:29:00 2022
    Re: Re: The stay home and not
    By: Dumas Walker to DR. WHAT on Fri Mar 25 2022 04:03 pm

    Yes, but a lot of those folks believe that we should become a sociali country so that they don't have to get a job at all when, in reality, socialist government probably won't let them go to college and major something useless, and they won't let them just sit around and do nothing while the mooch off the government.

    But they look at people like Bernie Sanders, who never worked in his life, has a rich life style.

    Yes, some of them could become politicians, or members of the nomenklatura, and do OK, but that does require some effort, even if most of us would not call it "work."

    But no one ever said that these socialist-liking people could comprehend reality.

    I know I did not say that. :)


    * SLMR 2.1a * Oh very clever Worf, eat any good books lately?


    Even folks who don't have normal everyday jobs have to put in some form of effort. I had a cousin who worked for a non-profit after he retired, and his job was to solicit donations and apply for grant money. Granted he made
    enough money in his other job to retire on, the pay he was offered could allow
    him to live a very basic life.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ The Cave BBS - Since 1992 - cavebbs.homeip.net
  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Sun Mar 27 10:36:00 2022
    Even folks who don't have normal everyday jobs have to put in some form of effort. I had a cousin who worked for a non-profit after he retired, and his job was to solicit donations and apply for grant money. Granted he made enough money in his other job to retire on, the pay he was offered could allow
    him to live a very basic life.

    Understood and agreed. Once I retire, I expect to still have to put in
    some form of effort. I will still be too young and able bodied not to.


    * SLMR 2.1a * It's not the age - it's the mileage!

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP