• Oracle requiring a subscription for Java

    From Nightfox@DIGDIST to All on Thu Nov 15 12:34:53 2018
    Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java now: https://bit.ly/2IlYRgp
    Full URL: https://www.infoworld.com/article/3284164/java/oracle-now-requires-a-subscripti on-to-use-java-se.html

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@DIGDIST/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Thu Nov 15 17:59:00 2018
    Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java now:

    That is not good news. :(

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  • From jagossel@DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Fri Nov 16 13:41:00 2018
    Dumas Walker, to NIGHTFOX...

    Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java
    ow:

    That is not good news. :(

    Based on what I was reading, so far, I don't think it's going to be all that bad. Oracle already required corporations to pay a fee. Oracle is moving
    from a one-time large fee to an insanely cheap montly/per-user rate.
    Personal use will be free, I believe, though.

    Still, I don't think it's a good idea that Oracle is charging a fee just to run software written in Java; it just comes across, to me, as though they
    want their "royality fees" to run some other 3rd party software.

    -jag
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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to jagossel on Fri Nov 16 13:35:10 2018
    Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
    By: jagossel to Dumas Walker on Fri Nov 16 2018 01:41 pm

    Still, I don't think it's a good idea that Oracle is charging a fee just to run software written in Java; it just comes across, to me, as though they want their "royality fees" to run some other 3rd party software.

    If Oracle really wants to charge a fee just to run Java software, I think that would be pretty bad for the users. I know some software companies have been going to a subscription model, but I wouldn't want to start having to pay a recurring fee just to keep using my own computer. There are other Java alternatives out there though (OpenJDK at least provides an open-source Java development kit).

    I've heard rumors Microsoft might end up going to a subscription model for Windows, and if they do, I'm really going to consider switching to Linux or something (my current favorite Linux distribution is Linux Mint with
    Cinnamon).

    Imagine paying monthly fees to both Microsoft and Oracle to continue using Windows & Java software.. And then also fees to Adobe if you use their products, and so on if other companies start doing that also. Suddenly, computer software fees may become another monthly bill people will have to pay, like a utility bill.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dream Master@DIGDIST/CIAD to Nightfox on Mon Feb 22 08:39:22 2021
    Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
    By: Nightfox to jagossel on Fri Nov 16 2018 01:35 pm

    If Oracle really wants to charge a fee just to run Java software, I think that would be pretty bad for the users. I know some software companies have been going to a subscription model, but I wouldn't want to start having to pay a recurring fee just to keep using my own computer. There are other Java alternatives out there though (OpenJDK at least provides an open-source Java development kit).

    I realize I'm resurrecting an old thread but I wanted to voice my two cents on the topic. First, when Oracle bought Sun and all their IP, they effectively took on a support model that doesn't generate them money. As we all know, Oracle makes all their money from ridiculous maintenance costs and litigation (they are notorious for going after improperly licensed Oracle databases and related functions), but nothing from Java. As more and more of their products are or have moved to Java, they found a way to monetize it.

    Great for Oracle.

    Bad for us.

    Luckily, OpenJDK/JRE, and other variants are readily available for our use.

    Thank God!

    Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
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  • From Dumas Walker@DIGDIST/CAPCITY2 to DREAM MASTER on Tue Feb 23 17:29:00 2021
    I realize I'm resurrecting an old thread but I wanted to voice my two cents on >he topic. First, when Oracle bought Sun and all their IP, they effectively too
    on a support model that doesn't generate them money. As we all know, Oracle m
    kes all their money from ridiculous maintenance costs and litigation (they are >otorious for going after improperly licensed Oracle databases and related funct
    ons), but nothing from Java. As more and more of their products are or have mo
    ed to Java, they found a way to monetize it.

    Great for Oracle.

    Bad for us.

    Yep, they all but killed (Open)Solaris when they took Sun over.


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  • From Dream Master@DIGDIST/CIAD to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 23 19:20:54 2021
    Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
    By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Tue Feb 23 2021 05:29 pm

    Yep, they all but killed (Open)Solaris when they took Sun over.

    Oracle pissed me off when they sold me a ZFS storage array as an amazing backup appliance. It had amazing write performance but read was horrible. When I'd shuttle the data off to tape, the tape drives were waiting on data.

    I mention this because everything Oracle touches turns to shit. Yes, their database software is amazing, and they should've just stuck to that. Buying Sun was and remains the worst best thing they ever did.

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  • From Dumas Walker@DIGDIST/CAPCITY2 to DREAM MASTER on Wed Feb 24 17:01:00 2021
    I mention this because everything Oracle touches turns to shit. Yes, their dat
    base software is amazing, and they should've just stuck to that. Buying Sun wa
    and remains the worst best thing they ever did.

    You won't get any arguments from me there. I sometimes have to work on interfaces with systems that use Oracle DBs. They are always slower than
    what I am used to (IMS and DB2 on a mainframe). :)


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  • From Dream Master@DIGDIST/CIAD to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 24 22:31:21 2021
    Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
    By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Wed Feb 24 2021 05:01 pm

    You won't get any arguments from me there. I sometimes have to work on interfaces with systems that use Oracle DBs. They are always slower than what I am used to (IMS and DB2 on a mainframe). :)

    Some years ago Oracle tried to get me to buy a full rack Exadata appliance. After their stellar ZFS appliance, I happily said no. My current employer has multirack deployments of Exadata and Exagrid. Almost daily they have drive failures. I understand the logic of using them but their expense is insane. Give me an IBM POWER9 or some Cisco UCS B-series blades, and I can create something a hell of a lot cheaper (in my opinion).

    Oh well ... DBAs love them.

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  • From Bob Roberts@DIGDIST/HOVAL to Dream Master on Thu Jun 24 15:19:06 2021
    Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
    By: Dream Master to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 23 2021 07:20 pm

    I mention this because everything Oracle touches turns to shit. Yes, their database software is amazing, and they should've just stuck to that. Buying Sun was and remains the worst best thing they ever did.

    I don't even know if their Database software is all that special anymore. MariaDB does almost everything Oracle does, and these days who is looking for traditional databases anyways? Everyone is hosted in the cloud, using whatever distributed database tech Amazon and Microsoft are peddling.

    I'm sad Sun has disappeared, it was a cool company with a great logo and unique hardware. If they were still around they would probably be selling Cloud.

    Cloud, cloud, cloud. Thats what it's about now.



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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to All on Thu Nov 15 12:34:00 2018
    Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java now: https://bit.ly/2IlYRgp
    Full URL: https://www.infoworld.com/article/3284164/java/oracle-now-requires-a-subscripti on-to-use-java-se.html

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to NIGHTFOX on Thu Nov 15 17:59:00 2018
    Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java now:

    That is not good news. :(

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  • From jagossel@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Fri Nov 16 13:41:00 2018
    Dumas Walker, to NIGHTFOX...

    Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java
    ow:

    That is not good news. :(

    Based on what I was reading, so far, I don't think it's going to be all that bad. Oracle already required corporations to pay a fee. Oracle is moving
    from a one-time large fee to an insanely cheap montly/per-user rate.
    Personal use will be free, I believe, though.

    Still, I don't think it's a good idea that Oracle is charging a fee just to run software written in Java; it just comes across, to me, as though they
    want their "royality fees" to run some other 3rd party software.

    -jag
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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to jagossel on Fri Nov 16 13:35:00 2018
    Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
    By: jagossel to Dumas Walker on Fri Nov 16 2018 01:41 pm

    Still, I don't think it's a good idea that Oracle is charging a fee just to run software written in Java; it just comes across, to me, as though they want their "royality fees" to run some other 3rd party software.

    If Oracle really wants to charge a fee just to run Java software, I think that would be pretty bad for the users. I know some software companies have been going to a subscription model, but I wouldn't want to start having to pay a recurring fee just to keep using my own computer. There are other Java alternatives out there though (OpenJDK at least provides an open-source Java development kit).

    I've heard rumors Microsoft might end up going to a subscription model for Windows, and if they do, I'm really going to consider switching to Linux or something (my current favorite Linux distribution is Linux Mint with
    Cinnamon).

    Imagine paying monthly fees to both Microsoft and Oracle to continue using Windows & Java software.. And then also fees to Adobe if you use their products, and so on if other companies start doing that also. Suddenly, computer software fees may become another monthly bill people will have to pay, like a utility bill.

    Nightfox

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