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    From Khelair@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Mercyful Fate on Fri May 1 16:27:00 2015
    Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Mercyful Fate to Khelair on Thu Apr 23 2015 23:42:16

    Visual studio is a pain in the butt and the defaults can be really anoying, like searching forever just to tune line number on. I would think that would be a default. I'm seeing more activity with Eclipse lately and java, and i have to say after getting pushed into it at work, it's expansive selection of plugin is very nice, at least when it comes to java. Junit, Emma, Infinitest make coding and writting unit and integration tests a breeze. And to get these features in visual studio you need the ultimate edition which is just plan silly. Not only is Eclipse cross platform, but visual studio is also stuck on windows. Maybe one day microsoft will try to advance their stuff.

    I hate windows, but like a lot of things about Visual Studio. That being said, setting internal options is not one of them, nor is their set of defaults. Kind of horrifies me, honestly.
    It's been awhile since I've done much work with Java, but I've used Eclipse & NetBeans for it. If either one of them had (at least as of when I last checked) a decent visual editor for user interfaces I'd probably give that another swing (ahrhr) and just do this in Java. It was an introductory project that I was learning C# on, but I've learned enough C# for now. I'd be happy to finish it in Java, which offers more employment in the area anyway.
    Have you used Eclipse for languages other than Java at all? Curious as to what some feedback might be for such.

    -D/K

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Khelair on Sat May 2 13:14:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Khelair to Mercyful Fate on Fri May 01 2015 16:27:12

    I hate windows, but like a lot of things about Visual Studio. That being said, setting internal options is not one of them, nor is their set of defaults. Kind of horrifies me, honestly.

    The number of options can be intimidating, but I'd still rather have the options than not have them. The more I do software development over time, the more I learn about various build options, and the more I appreciate being able to change certain build options if I need to. The opposite approach is the approach Apple seems to take, which is less-is-more: They often provide fewer options, with the idea that there is less to go wrong. Recently I started working on some Apple development projects at work, and I found that although Apple's XCode can show line numbers, it doesn't show the column number of the cursor, and there seems to be no option to turn that on.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mercyful Fate@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Khelair on Tue May 5 01:56:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Khelair to Mercyful Fate on Fri May 01 2015 16:27:12

    I hate windows, but like a lot of things about Visual Studio. That being said, setting internal options is not one of them, nor is their set of defaults. Kind of horrifies me, honestly. It's been awhile since
    I've done much work with Java, but I've used Eclips NetBeans
    for it. If either one of them had (at least as of when I last
    checked) a decent visual editor for user interfaces I'd probably give that another swing (ahrhr) and just do this in Java. It was an introductory proj that I was learning C# on, but I've learned enough C# for now. I'd be happy finish it in Java, which offers more employment in the area anyway.
    Have you used Eclipse for languages other than Java at all? Curious as to what some feedback might be for such.

    There are a crazy amount of options out there. My main language is C/C++ so
    i have tinkered with it a little in Eclipse. But it seems like the plugins are lacking for anything other then Java which is a shame. I'be been getting more into Agile development as it's been sorta forced apon us at work. I do like alot of the Test Driven Development concepts of writting unit and integration tests espceially when reworking code.

    I'm trying to apply these princials as i start to rewrite my Enthral BBS Software which needs a good over haul. Bascially at work i deal mianly
    with JSF and breaking down manager classes into unit and integration
    tests. Most of whch were not coded for testing so there is a lot of data mocking to try and test everything.

    The plugs for Junit, Emma, are very nice to work with. And i found one call ed infinitest which runs unit tests everytime you click save on a modified file so you know if you broke something right away. I wish there was more stuff like this for C++.. So far i've been rpetty happy with UnitTest++ which comes with support in CodeLite.

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  • From Mercyful Fate@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue May 5 01:59:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Nightfox to Khelair on Sat May 02 2015 13:14:59

    The number of options can be intimidating, but I'd still rather have the options than not have them. The more I do software development over time, t more I learn about various build options, and the more I appreciate being ab to change certain build options if I need to. The opposite approach is the approach Apple seems to take, which is less-is-more: They often provide fewe options, with the idea that there is less to go wrong. Recently I started working on some Apple development projects at work, and I found that althoug Apple's XCode can show line numbers, it doesn't show the column number of th cursor, and there seems to be no option to turn that on.

    The more i work with Apple the more i dislike apple. There isn't much i like about xcode at all and the environment in general just sorta irks me. haha Can't really explain it. It just feels so clunky to me at least. But maybe thats becasue i'm always running it in a VM..

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Mercyful Fate on Tue May 5 07:46:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Mercyful Fate to Nightfox on Tue May 05 2015 01:59:22

    The more i work with Apple the more i dislike apple. There isn't much i like about xcode at all and the environment in general just sorta irks me. haha Can't really explain it. It just feels so clunky to me at least. But maybe thats becasue i'm always running it in a VM..

    As I've worked with Apple stuff more, I have not gotten to like Apple any more than I used to. I don't think it's all bad either though. I like that OS X is based on BSD, so the usual *nix tools are there (such as the bash shell, grep, etc.). BSD is a very stable platform too.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mercyful Fate@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue May 5 22:49:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Nightfox to Mercyful Fate on Tue May 05 2015 07:46:00

    As I've worked with Apple stuff more, I have not gotten to like Apple any mo than I used to. I don't think it's all bad either though. I like that OS X based on BSD, so the usual *nix tools are there (such as the bash shell, gre etc.). BSD is a very stable platform too.

    I like BSD a lot too, ran my bbs off it for several years and ran like an absolute champ. It's seems like apple likes to take stuff and force their tools like xcode to even compile simple programs. Reminds me a lot like microsoft to tell the truth. But they are a company and have to protect
    their interests i supose. Just how it works.

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Mercyful Fate on Wed May 6 07:29:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Mercyful Fate to Nightfox on Tue May 05 2015 22:49:41

    I like BSD a lot too, ran my bbs off it for several years and ran like an absolute champ. It's seems like apple likes to take stuff and force their tools like xcode to even compile simple programs. Reminds me a lot like microsoft to tell the truth. But they are a company and have to protect their interests i supose. Just how it works.

    It seems fairly typical to me for the OS maker to also have development tools for their platform. It's good for them to provide that in order to get developers to write software for their platform. In a way, I think it makes sense, since nobody knows the OS better than the OS maker, so they're in a good position to provide development tools & APIs that let you use the ins & outs of the OS.

    I do like having choice though - and you aren't necessarily stuck with XCode for Mac. I believe gcc is available or could be installed on OS X too, and other IDEs (such as CodeBlocks) are available. For the GUI, I once wrote a GUI app for both Windows and Mac using the WxWidgets GUI toolkit - although I did use XCode to build it for Mac.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mercyful Fate@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed May 6 22:09:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Nightfox to Mercyful Fate on Wed May 06 2015 07:29:28

    It seems fairly typical to me for the OS maker to also have development tool for their platform. It's good for them to provide that in order to get developers to write software for their platform. In a way, I think it makes sense, since nobody knows the OS better than the OS maker, so they're in a g position to provide development tools & APIs that let you use the ins & outs the OS.

    Yep, i can understand that each OS might want to have it's own SDK. But to limit normal gcc on the command line to requiring xcode is a little much. I haven't used Xcode's IDE myself, i just have it installed so that i can compile program and i usually use CodeLite, or Code::Blocks. But of course with some of my program that i cross compile i just create make files and
    want to compile it quick and easy, and when i had to go through their app store, and developers network and download this absolutly huge install, it's was a bit much. But i got through it and it all work so water under the bridge right. heh

    I do like having choice though - and you aren't necessarily stuck with XCode for Mac. I believe gcc is available or could be installed on OS X too, and other IDEs (such as CodeBlocks) are available. For the GUI, I once wrote a app for both Windows and Mac using the WxWidgets GUI toolkit - although I di use XCode to build it for Mac.

    Good stuff, i haven't done much GUI work in quite sometime, other then SDL
    but i don't think that counts as much. I do like how portable WxWidgets are, they are available in almost everything include python.

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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Mercyful Fate on Thu May 7 07:35:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Mercyful Fate to Nightfox on Wed May 06 2015 22:09:36

    Yep, i can understand that each OS might want to have it's own SDK. But to limit normal gcc on the command line to requiring xcode is a little much.

    I don't think they limit anything there. I believe you're free to install gcc (if it isn't there already) and use it like any other *nix system. At least, I would think so, considering OS X is basically BSD at the core.

    but i don't think that counts as much. I do like how portable WxWidgets are, they are available in almost everything include python.

    I like that aspect too. I think WxWidgets is a pretty good library, although some aspects remind me of Microsoft's MFC (which isn't necessarily a good thing). I've heard a lot of people like Qt and some recommend it over WxWidgets. I haven't used Qt though.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mercyful Fate@DIGDIST/BATTLEST/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu May 7 22:52:00 2015
    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Nightfox to Mercyful Fate on Thu May 07 2015 07:35:19

    Re: Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
    By: Mercyful Fate to Nightfox on Wed May 06 2015 22:09:36

    Yep, i can understand that each OS might want to have it's own SDK. But limit normal gcc on the command line to requiring xcode is a little muc

    I don't think they limit anything there. I believe you're free to install g (if it isn't there already) and use it like any other *nix system. At least would think so, considering OS X is basically BSD at the core.

    If you use macports etc.. it doesn't install glibc, so you are required to install xcode to be able to compile anything. Thats my only gripe. :)

    I like that aspect too. I think WxWidgets is a pretty good library, althoug some aspects remind me of Microsoft's MFC (which isn't necessarily a good thing). I've heard a lot of people like Qt and some recommend it over WxWidgets. I haven't used Qt though.

    Ya, i've never been a fan of MFC either. Wx has make a lot of improvements, they old grapics in mid 2000 were pretty bland and donkey looking. heh QT is pretty nice, i've seen some code behind it.. For example Tundradraw is
    written using QT. And is a good example of coding in it.

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