• Bleach Time!

    From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to All on Sat Mar 6 09:28:00 2021
    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and go
    retro for a while.

    I just realized that my new computer is the first one I've had without PS/2 ports! Luckily I have a USB to PS/2 adapter, somewhere.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 7 00:27:46 2021
    Re: Bleach Time!
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Sat Mar 06 2021 09:28 am

    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    I remember when those old Microsoft mice seemed like the thing to have. And I remember seeing things like the Microsoft IntelliMouse software the first time with things like pointer tracking etc. and thinking it was pretty cool.

    If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and go retro for a while.

    My dad likes those, and he uses one. I always thought they're too noisy though.. I don't like to be able to hear someone typing on their keyboard so loudly all the time though.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 7 01:24:15 2021
    Re: Bleach Time!
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Sat Mar 06 2021 09:28 am

    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and go retro for a while.

    I just realized that my new computer is the first one I've had without PS/2 ports! Luckily I have a USB to PS/2 adapter, somewhere.


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  • From hal@VERT/HAL to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 7 14:38:00 2021
    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    no idea about hydrogen peroxide but 8bit guy on youtube had great results
    with retrobrite

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYbchvSUDY

    I've seen others use it and similar products on youtube videos. Worth a
    search for restoring retro computing equipment as I have seen videos like
    that several times
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to hal on Sun Mar 7 14:37:08 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: hal to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 07 2021 02:38 pm

    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    no idea about hydrogen peroxide but 8bit guy on youtube had great results with retrobrite

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZYbchvSUDY

    I've seen others use it and similar products on youtube videos. Worth a search for restoring retro computing equipment as I have seen videos like that several times

    this is interesting. apparently the plastic is so porous it's trapping something from the air that makes it a uniform yellow. the things with hydrogen peroxide are getting in there and releasing the stains.

    i wonder what that yellow shit is. it's not human dirt. contaminants in our air. in my uncle's case it would be cig smoke.

    i've had old stuff like that but it didnt get that nasty yellow. i'm also not a smoker.
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Sun Mar 7 18:53:00 2021
    junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydroge peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    the plastic has aged. wont work. spraypaint it

    you're talking about something people do on youtube all the time.. with great success..

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to hal on Sun Mar 7 18:54:00 2021
    On 07 Mar 2021, hal said the following...

    this message is confusing because it has no origin line. i thought it was
    local for a second.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to fusion on Sun Mar 7 18:25:03 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: fusion to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:53 pm

    junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydroge peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    the plastic has aged. wont work. spraypaint it

    you're talking about something people do on youtube all the time.. with great success..

    yeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from something else. i'd like to know what that something else is.


    i've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this is from smokers.


    arent you that guy who ran the os2 synchronet bbs?
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Sun Mar 7 23:21:00 2021
    arent you that guy who ran the os2 synchronet bbs?

    ya. though now it's neither sync nor os/2. bit of a shame not to be repping
    big blue, but the missing modern features list (if things like long filename support can be called modern) in original sync kinda got old.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sun Mar 7 21:39:59 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: MRO to fusion on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:25 pm

    yeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from something else. i'd like to know what that something else is.

    i've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this is from smokers.

    I've heard some white plastics can turn yellow by being exposed to sunlight too much.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to fusion on Mon Mar 8 00:11:26 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: fusion to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 11:21 pm

    arent you that guy who ran the os2 synchronet bbs?

    ya. though now it's neither sync nor os/2. bit of a shame not to be repping big blue, but the missing modern features list (if things like long filename support can be called modern) in original sync kinda got old.


    so did you sustain a head injury or something that made you want to use mystic? :D :D :D
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Mar 8 00:17:26 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 07 2021 09:39 pm

    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: MRO to fusion on Sun Mar 07 2021 06:25 pm

    yeah it's not yellow because it's aged, it's discolored from something else. i'd like to know what that something else is.

    i've had old stuff like that and it didnt yellow. i wonder if this is from smokers.

    I've heard some white plastics can turn yellow by being exposed to sunlight too much.


    now the internet says that uv light combines with the flame retardant bromine to make plastic yellow. and it has a pic of a super nintendo and now i remember my snes getting yellow on the bottom after i let my kid use it.

    howtogeek also says using h2o2 doesnt stop it from happening again and might make the plastic brittle.

    whats weird is they say to use uv light to help the process.

    i think in today's 3d printer age people would be better off getting new parts printed if they want something new looking.
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to MRO on Mon Mar 8 12:13:00 2021
    so did you sustain a head injury or something that made you want to use mystic? :D :D :D

    my old apartment had a long flight of stairs... XD

    no special reason really though, other than friends using it and being
    curious.

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Mar 8 00:16:00 2021
    I have my dad's old Microsoft yellowed intellimouse, recovered from my mom's
    >junk drawer. It's a sunny day, and I'm going to experiment with hydrogen
    >peroxide and baking soda to see if I can bleach it out.

    If I do, I might have to pull out my 30 year-old Model M keyboard and go
    >retro for a while.

    I just realized that my new computer is the first one I've had without PS/2
    >ports! Luckily I have a USB to PS/2 adapter, somewhere.


    That reminds me.. The keyboard I'm typing this on, which I've used daily since it was almost new, has a 'birthday' coming up. The manufacture date is on the back.. June 6th, 1991. At one point I changed the Large DIN connector on it over to a PS2, and since then I've used it with various PS2 computers then later with an adapter to USB.

    On another subject..

    Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use most of the time is running Vista but I'm running into more and more web sites that won't run on the newest Browser that Vista supports (A Mozilla variation from about 2010). Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista to
    have occasional access to a newer browser or is a full reinstall of something newer my only option?

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Rob Mccart on Tue Mar 9 06:51:00 2021
    Rob Mccart wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use most
    of the time is running Vista but I'm running into more and more web
    sites that won't run on the newest Browser that Vista supports (A
    Mozilla variation from about 2010). Would it be possible to run a
    Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista to have occasional access to a newer browser or is a full reinstall of something newer my only option?

    You'd be better off doing at least an upgrade, if you could, to Windows 10. How much memory do you have in your computer, and how big is your disk?

    A cheap, external USB drive could make the process much easier; Windows 10
    has the same backup program that 7 does, and could probably read a Vista backup too.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Rob Mccart on Thu Mar 11 16:21:06 2021
    Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Rob Mccart to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Mar 08 2021 12:16 am

    Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use most of the time is running Vista but I'm running into more and more web sites that won' run on the newest Browser that Vista supports (A Mozilla variation from abou 2010). Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista to have occasional access to a newer browser or is a full reinstall of somethin newer my only option?

    It should be doable as long as you have enough RAM and CPU cycles to spare.

    Another alternative if it is just for a couple of sites, is to get a copy of Knoppix. Knoppix is a operating system that you can boot from a DVD and executes without touching anything in your hard drive. Recent versions come with Chromium and Mozilla Firefox. You just put the DVD in the tray and reboot the computer, et voila, the computer will boot to an operating system that will completely disappear once you turn the computer off.

    A lot of people use this sort of solution for their online banking. Since you are booting into a fresh operating system each time you boot Knoppix, it is harder to get persistent malware infections.

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Mar 13 01:01:00 2021
    Maybe this is the place to ask this question. The computer I use most
    of the time is running Vista
    Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista

    You'd be better off doing at least an upgrade, if you could, to Windows 10.
    >How much memory do you have in your computer, and how big is your disk?

    I'm not even sure this machine would run Windows 7 (but possibly).
    Single core 2.0 Ghz Celeron with the maximum RAM the motherboard supports, which is only 2 gig.

    If worse comes to worse I can copy everything I use over to another Laptop I have that's already running Windows 7 but Vista runs a lot better with old software than newer Windows versions do. Saves trying to get things running properly through DOS Box..
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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Sat Mar 13 01:00:00 2021
    Would it be possible to run a Windows 7 Virtual Machine on Vista

    It should be doable as long as you have enough RAM and CPU cycles to spare.

    Good question.

    Another alternative if it is just for a couple of sites, is to get a copy of
    >Knoppix. Knoppix is a operating system that you can boot from a DVD

    I'll keep that in mind. I was sort of hoping for something that I could simply start up without having to reboot. So far it's not a crippling problem and I have other computers and a Cell Phone and Tablet that usually work on the web sites that the old browsers can't manage.. And the phone is my internet source so it is there and on anyways.

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Rob Mccart on Sun Mar 14 19:20:00 2021
    I'm not even sure this machine would run Windows 7 (but possibly).
    Single core 2.0 Ghz Celeron with the maximum RAM the motherboard
    supports, which is only 2 gig.

    i recently set up (and quickly abandoned) a Pentium 4 3.2GHz machine with Windows 7.. 4GB of ram. loading a web browser brought me back to my Windows
    95 days.. chug chug chug.

    i will say that it seemed to run bbs/dos software o.k. though some things
    used full cpu that i didn't expect, and not having actual additional cores meant multitasking definitely felt unpleasant. (i.e. additional nodes would likely affect each other)

    i replaced it with a Lenovo E31 (still Windows 7.. 32-bit) and it seems to be the sweet spot. and fairly inexpensive. hopefully i can baby it until i'm long gone.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 15 06:26:00 2021
    Rob Mccart wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    I'm not even sure this machine would run Windows 7 (but possibly).
    Single core 2.0 Ghz Celeron with the maximum RAM the motherboard
    supports, which is only 2 gig.

    I've run 7 on a similar system. It ran, but not very quickly. 32-bit Windows 10 might have a better time, surprisingly.




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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to FUSION on Tue Mar 16 00:39:00 2021
    I'm not even sure this machine would run Windows 7 (but possibly).
    Single core 2.0 Ghz Celeron with the maximum RAM the motherboard
    supports, which is only 2 gig.

    i recently set up (and quickly abandoned) a Pentium 4 3.2GHz machine with
    >Windows 7.. 4GB of ram. loading a web browser brought me back to my Windows
    >95 days.. chug chug chug.

    Hard to believe you got a P4 Motherboard that supports 4GB of ram.
    My last Desktop was a 3.0Ghz P4 with 512 Meg of Ram in it but I had to pretty much give up on it due to limited options for things like Browsers.

    i replaced it with a Lenovo E31 (still Windows 7.. 32-bit) and it seems to be
    >the sweet spot. and fairly inexpensive. hopefully i can baby it until i'm lon
    >gone.

    I'm guessing they are still using that name on a greatly upgarded system. (?)
    I tried looking that up and found one listed (discontinued) but it was running an I7 5th Gen Core which is probably not what yours is..

    I don't so much mind the limitations of my Laptop mentioned above, other than the problem with it not allowing Software updates anymore.
    Unfortunately Vista software updates are the same as Win XP, not Win 7..
    I do have a low end HP Dual Core Win7 Laptop with 4GB of Ram, upgradable to 8GB, which I will probably have to change over to for my main machine before too long..

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Rob Mccart on Wed Mar 17 12:02:00 2021
    Hard to believe you got a P4 Motherboard that supports 4GB of ram.

    yeah.. probably the tail end of that generation i'd guess

    system. (?) I tried looking that up and found one listed (discontinued) but it was running an I7 5th Gen Core which is probably not what yours is..

    this one is an i5-3550. which according to google is from 2012. the one i got is still available on eBay for $99, but i had to get a hard drive for it (it's pretty common for lenovos to be from bigger companies so they destroy the
    hard drives and send the rest to refurbishers).

    I don't so much mind the limitations of my Laptop mentioned above, other than the problem with it not allowing Software updates anymore. Unfortunately Vista software updates are the same as Win XP, not Win 7..

    sounds like you're a bit like me.. i clung to OS/2, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 7, and probably will Windows 10 too..

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to FUSION on Fri Mar 19 00:31:00 2021
    I don't so much mind the limitations of my Laptop mentioned above, other than the problem with it not allowing Software updates anymore. Unfortunately Vista software updates are the same as Win XP, not Win 7..

    sounds like you're a bit like me.. i clung to OS/2, Windows 2000, Windows XP,
    >Windows 7, and probably will Windows 10 too..

    My jumps were fewer. Apple II to IBM DOS3 to Win95 to Win 98 then Windows 7. The Vista system was a Laptop someone was tossing that I repaired and sort of liked because most things ran on it and it's much more friendly with OLD software than Windows 7 is.

    Up until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much as humanly possible, running Windows 98. That was always my favourite OS where it did a lot more than older versions but the user still had more direct control over it. I did a lot of manually editing the Registry and tricking it into doing things it was never designed to do. But I got into computers when Windows 3
    was still a distant dream and I had to write my own Operating Systems and a
    lot of my own programs and games so I guess I liked having the option of hopping into DOS in the background to do some things..

    I finally had to break down and get a Windows 7 Laptop to do some things
    that a lack of updates finally made impossible.
    I don't mind Windows 7 all that much but it always seems every new release
    is more protective of itself allowing the user less and less control.
    I've used Windows 10 a little at other people's places but I'd have to start over again to figure out how to work around the way Windows intended.. B)
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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Rob Mccart on Fri Mar 19 19:51:00 2021
    Up until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much as humanly possible, running Windows 98. That was always my favourite OS where it did a lot more than older versions but the user still had more direct control over it. I did a lot of manually editing the Registry and

    yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windows
    95 promises polished up and functional.

    it's a shame microsoft won't clean it up
    to it's most recent state, slap a giant disclaimer on it and offer it up for $50 on Steam or something. i'd get a a copy just for kicks.. throw in in VirtualBox or something.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rob Mccart on Sat Mar 20 11:22:40 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Rob Mccart to FUSION on Fri Mar 19 2021 12:31 am

    I finally had to break down and get a Windows 7 Laptop to do some things that a lack of updates finally made impossible.
    I don't mind Windows 7 all that much but it always seems every new release is more protective of itself allowing the user less and less control.
    I've used Windows 10 a little at other people's places but I'd have to start over again to figure out how to work around the way Windows intended..

    I've been using PCs for a long time (I started using IBM compatibles around the late 90s, when DOS was big and Wnidows 3 was coming around). I like having control of my PC. It seems most people these days though don't care so much about having total control; they just want to do stuff with it. Modern operating systems are made in a way to prevent people from doing stupid stuff.

    I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from running a program because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other restrictions.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to fusion on Sat Mar 20 11:25:11 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: fusion to Rob Mccart on Fri Mar 19 2021 07:51 pm

    yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windows 95 promises polished up and functional.

    Windows 98 was good, but I remember one recurring problem I had with Windows 98 was when I went to shut down the PC, Windows 98 would get stuck on the shutdown screen and not fully shut down. I think there may have been a fix for that at some point though.

    Windows ME tends to get a lot of hate, but I ran ME for a little while and didn't have a problem with it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Warpslide@VERT/NRBBS to Nightfox on Sat Mar 20 16:57:46 2021
    *** Quoting Nightfox from a message to Rob Mccart ***

    I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from
    running a program because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other restrictions.

    Yup, I downloaded Syncterm 1.2a the other day and Credge (Chromium Edge) was warning me that the file was "untrustworthy" and could "harm your computer".

    I was like f@*# off and let me run the damn file!

    Jay

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Nightfox on Sat Mar 20 20:17:00 2021
    On 20 Mar 2021, Nightfox said the following...

    Windows 98 was when I went to shut down the PC, Windows 98 would get
    stuck on the shutdown screen and not fully shut down. I think there may

    you see this a little even today.. windows trying to be smart about things
    like checking if programs have unsaved data, and cleaning up a bit after itself. at least now you can tell it "just die already.." hehe

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to FUSION on Sun Mar 21 00:51:00 2021
    Up until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much as humanly possible, running Windows 98. That was always my favourite OS

    yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windows
    >95 promises polished up and functional.

    Yes, it was a massive improvement over Win95 and added on so many things like decent USB support and (not always from Microsoft) universal drivers for
    things like up to 32 gig Flash Drives.

    Another advantage was, being so 'out of date', it was virtually Virus immune since no one was aiming at it..

    If it supported newer browsers I'd still be running it on my main machine.
    Best I could manage was the 2011 release of Opera (Mozilla based I believe). Newer Opera versions are Chrome based, or probably I should say Chrome uses
    the same browser engine if my info on that is still up to date.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 22 08:39:03 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Rob Mccart to FUSION on Sun Mar 21 2021 12:51 am

    yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little windo
    95 promises polished up and functional.

    Yes, it was a massive improvement over Win95 and added on so many things like decent USB support and (not always from Microsoft) universal drivers for things like up to 32 gig Flash Drives.

    Another advantage was, being so 'out of date', it was virtually Virus immune since no one was aiming at it..

    If it supported newer browsers I'd still be running it on my main machine. Best I could manage was the 2011 release of Opera (Mozilla based I believe). Newer Opera versions are Chrome based, or probably I should say Chrome uses the same browser engine if my info on that is still up to date.

    Yesterday I was listening to the Leo LaPorte radio show (he gives computer & technology advice), and there were 2 people who called in who said they still have a Windows 98 PC. One person wanted to know how best to copy their files off it, and the other said they still kept their Win98 PC for a game they like to play.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Warpslide on Mon Mar 22 06:46:40 2021
    On 3/20/2021 1:57 PM, Warpslide wrote:
    I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from
    running a program because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other
    restrictions.

    Yup, I downloaded Syncterm 1.2a the other day and Credge (Chromium
    Edge) was warning me that the file was "untrustworthy" and could
    "harm your computer".

    I was like f@*# off and let me run the damn file!

    That's the downside of trying to build things to be more idiot proof.
    While protecting some from malicious content because it isn't popular
    enough, or cleared by checks that more popular downloads see it gets
    blocked.

    Had this issue downloading my own SyncTERM installer from github.

    I am liking the new Edge a bit more than Chrome and have switched.
    Partly because I trust MS slightly more than Google at this point.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 22 06:52:43 2021
    On 3/20/2021 9:51 PM, Rob Mccart wrote:
    Up until about 2015 I was still running a system, updated as much
    as humanly possible, running Windows 98. That was always my
    favourite OS

    yeah, 98 seems to be the "retro computing" favorite. all the little
    windows 95 promises polished up and functional.

    Yes, it was a massive improvement over Win95 and added on so many
    things like decent USB support and (not always from Microsoft)
    universal drivers for things like up to 32 gig Flash Drives.

    I switched directly from OS/2 to NT4 around that time... I did think
    that Windows 2000 with LiteStep Shell (I think it was called that) was
    pretty great. IIRC I went to XP with SP3, and used the MCE desktop
    theme. Then Win7 on release, 8 SP2 with classic shell, and now Win10.
    I've run Linux desktop environments for a couple months at a time every
    few years.

    What's funny is that you can now run a full x86 emulator and Windows 9x
    in a browser.
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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Mon Mar 22 00:54:00 2021
    I've been using PCs for a long time (I started using IBM compatibles around t
    >late 90s, when DOS was big and Wnidows 3 was coming around). I like having c
    >rol of my PC. It seems most people these days though don't care so much abou
    >aving total control; they just want to do stuff with it. Modern operating sy
    >ms are made in a way to prevent people from doing stupid stuff.

    Yes, stupid stuff usually being what makes the systems work better.. B)

    I got my first computers in 1984 and 85, heavily modified Apple II's with a 'massive' 80kb (up from 48 kb) of Ram and dual ($400 ea.) floppy drives,
    and moved on to IBM types with an 8088 system around 1987.
    (Anyone remember paying $2000+ for a 10 meg hard drive ?) B)
    (( Updated into todays dollars that would be about $4500))

    I does bother me, though, when the OS tries to prevent me from running a prog
    > because it's not "authorized" by the OS or other restrictions.

    Yes, I don't so much mind a warming but I want the option to ignore it too..

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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Mon Mar 22 00:52:00 2021
    Windows 98 was good, but I remember one recurring problem I had with Windows
    >was when I went to shut down the PC, Windows 98 would get stuck on the shutdo
    >screen and not fully shut down. I think there may have been a fix for that a
    >ome point though.

    Windows ME tends to get a lot of hate, but I ran ME for a little while and di
    >t have a problem with it.

    I never got into Win ME due to some issues it had with being overly contolling but you could start off with Win98 SE and replace all the important parts with the Win ME updated utilities and have the best of both worlds... and then find all the vastly improved programs written by others to make it all work even better.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Tue Mar 23 08:51:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    I switched directly from OS/2 to NT4 around that time... I did think
    that Windows 2000 with LiteStep Shell (I think it was called that) was pretty great. IIRC I went to XP with SP3, and used the MCE desktop
    theme. Then Win7 on release, 8 SP2 with classic shell, and now Win10. I've run Linux desktop environments for a couple months at a time every few years.

    Sounds like we ran in some of the same circles. I was a Netware admin in the early '90s, and OS/2 made a great admin platform for Netware servers - lots
    of console windows without drivers in low memory. DOS VDMs for apps that needed a native DOS environment.

    Switched to NT4 when the internet came around, and I had a couple of
    databases to manage. Really enjoyed the eye-candy of Litestep, ran it on
    the BBS for some time, and ran it on old Dell boxes running Windows 2000
    that needed all the RAM they could muster.

    I couldn't stand the Windows 8 start menu, used classic shell to emulate a
    XP environment, down to the colors and the wallpaper.

    That reminds me, I think it's time for my 2-screen "Dark Bliss" wallpaper
    and an XP menu again. :)



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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Wed Mar 24 00:48:00 2021
    Yesterday I was listening to the Leo LaPorte radio show (he gives computer &
    >hnology advice), and there were 2 people who called in who said they still ha
    >a Windows 98 PC. One person wanted to know how best to copy their files off
    > and the other said they still kept their Win98 PC for a game they like to pl

    For decades a friend of mine and I played Doom 2 and other similar games daily over the phone lines until he moved away last year. The Win98 system I was using for that is still operational but it's a while since I used it. I tend
    to play other games on my Laptop when it's just myself and, as mentioned, the Win98 machine is getting a little old for a lot of online uses..

    That said, when I do feel like playing the old games there are Ports that
    allow you to play those old DOS games with better controls and graphics that I have installed on the newer Laptop as well.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 24 18:51:27 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Tue Mar 23 2021 08:51 am

    I couldn't stand the Windows 8 start menu, used classic shell to emulate a XP environment, down to the colors and the wallpaper.

    Not only that, but since Windows 8, I think the whole Windows UI has looked fairly flat and monotone since then. It's basically the same with the other major operating systems too. I don't really like that some typical UI elements don't look like what they're supposed to be anymore. The worst might be buttons that are just plain flat rectangles - Sometimes it can be hard to tell if they're buttons or just colored boxes. Another thing that bugs me is, on some Windows 10 setups I've seen, the default color for the active Windows Explorer window border is white, so it blends in with parts of the screen that have white (such as other Windows Explorer windows, web browser windows, etc.), and the Windows Explorer border will be hard (if not impossible) to see.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 24 16:16:11 2021
    On 3/23/2021 8:51 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:

    Sounds like we ran in some of the same circles. I was a Netware admin
    in the early '90s, and OS/2 made a great admin platform for Netware
    servers - lots of console windows without drivers in low memory. DOS
    VDMs for apps that needed a native DOS environment.

    Switched to NT4 when the internet came around, and I had a couple of databases to manage. Really enjoyed the eye-candy of Litestep, ran
    it on the BBS for some time, and ran it on old Dell boxes running
    Windows 2000 that needed all the RAM they could muster.

    I couldn't stand the Windows 8 start menu, used classic shell to
    emulate a XP environment, down to the colors and the wallpaper.

    That reminds me, I think it's time for my 2-screen "Dark Bliss"
    wallpaper and an XP menu again. :)

    I remember spending weeks configuring my custom litestep theme... I
    think it didn't run right on XP. but used it off/on at some point and
    just stopped trying. When Win7 came out, I preferred it to anything
    that came before anyway (in terms of UX).

    My understanding is I *could* do similar with gnome as I used to with LiteStep, just never dug into it far enough to start.
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  • From Elf@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Fri Mar 26 21:41:00 2021
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Not only that, but since Windows 8, I think the whole Windows UI has looked fairly flat and monotone since then. It's basically the same
    with the other major operating systems too. I don't really like that
    some typical UI elements don't look like what they're supposed to be anymore. The worst might be buttons that are just plain flat rectangles
    - Sometimes it can be hard to tell if they're buttons or just colored boxes. Another thing that bugs me is, on some Windows 10 setups I've seen, the default color for the active Windows Explorer window border
    is white, so it blends in with parts of the screen that have white
    (such as other Windows Explorer windows, web browser windows, etc.),
    and the Windows Explorer border will be hard (if not impossible) to
    see.

    This design trend drives me crazy!! They call it "getting the interface
    out of your way," or some other such nonsense. It's called lazy development. It's poor design. You cannot get the "interface" out of our way,
    we NEED something to INTERFACE us with the SYSTEM. That is what it is for. Since we cannot communicate with and control our computers with our thoughts yet (not to the degree necessary to do work in today's world) we need those buttons to look like buttons. We need borders around those borders. We need depth and dinstinction between one application and another and between
    a button and a field. It drives me crazy!!! One example I encountered in
    web design. I spent 30 minutes one day looking for a field on a form
    and could not find it. Why? There was no field border of any kind around
    it. There was just text on the screen and not until you clicked on the non- highlighted text did a faint borde show up revealing it *might* be a field!

    Our computer screens are not small phone screens and our phones cannot
    do all our computers can as efficiently as our computers can. Ugh.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Elf on Sat Mar 27 14:16:50 2021
    Re: Re: Bleach Time!
    By: Elf to Nightfox on Fri Mar 26 2021 09:41 pm

    Not only that, but since Windows 8, I think the whole Windows UI has
    looked fairly flat and monotone since then. It's basically the same

    This design trend drives me crazy!! They call it "getting the interface out of your way," or some other such nonsense. It's called lazy development. It's poor design. You cannot get the "interface" out of our way, we NEED something to INTERFACE us with the SYSTEM. That is what it is for. Since we cannot communicate with and control our computers with our thoughts yet (not to the degree necessary to do work in today's world) we need those buttons to look like buttons. We need borders around those borders. We need depth and dinstinction between one application and

    Yep. We need to be able to clearly see the elements of the user interface, and I think it should look good too.

    example I encountered in web design. I spent 30 minutes one day looking for a field on a form and could not find it. Why? There was no field border of any kind around it. There was just text on the screen and not until you clicked on the non- highlighted text did a faint borde show up revealing it *might* be a field!

    That's fairly bad design.

    Our computer screens are not small phone screens and our phones cannot
    do all our computers can as efficiently as our computers can. Ugh.

    I think even phone interfaces used to look better than they do - iPhone, iPod Touch, and Android from around 2007-2010 or so, I think looked better than they do today.

    Nightfox

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